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Subj:  Re:A Dare Folder Record
Date:  96-09-21 21:11:12 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hey I got the first post! na na na na

beat ya Rhonda!Subj:  {{Lisa}}  PMS
Date:  96-09-21 21:49:06 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

I feel for ya!  I too get those lovely cramps, ones youd like to take a
sleeping pill for a week!   Lucky for me I wont have that for a while yet!
I dont have pms, but I do think hormones during pg are just as bad, but more
consitant!!

Although if you want to clean, my house looks like a bomb went off and could
use a lot of help!  The dishwasher is working, but this family has a problem
unloading clean dishes, when we need it take it out of the dishwasher, leave
the rest! eeeek!

go ahead post while youre like that!  :)
Subj:  Moms Judy!
Date:  96-09-21 21:50:19 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Wow you are just so totaly on the ball!  yeah!   patting you on the back!


thanks!
SillySubj:  Silly
Date:  96-09-21 22:10:17 edt
From:  KaitlinE5
Posted on:  America Online

Offering Silly the prize of the day for the most consecutive posts without
taking a breath.  LOL!


KatieSubj:  Re:Silly
Date:  96-09-21 22:20:40 edt
From:  BrattyBrat
Posted on:  America Online

LOL Katie!!! Subj:  Re:Silly
Date:  96-09-21 22:20:40 edt
From:  BrattyBrat
Posted on:  America Online

LOL Katie!!! Subj:  Disney World!!!! =0)
Date:  96-09-21 22:27:36 edt
From:  BrattyBrat
Posted on:  America Online

I cannot WAIT!  I start my packing tomorrow...Breakfast with Pooh on
Tuesday...Dinner at the London Pavilion...
My mother HATES Disney. She cannot understand why I adore it so much.  I
can't explain it to her.  It simply makes me very very happy!
Sorry, this was a goofy (no pun intended) post, but I'm so jazzed!!!! I feel
like a 3 year old!Subj:  Disney World!!!! =0)
Date:  96-09-21 22:27:36 edt
From:  BrattyBrat
Posted on:  America Online

I cannot WAIT!  I start my packing tomorrow...Breakfast with Pooh on
Tuesday...Dinner at the London Pavilion...
My mother HATES Disney. She cannot understand why I adore it so much.  I
can't explain it to her.  It simply makes me very very happy!
Sorry, this was a goofy (no pun intended) post, but I'm so jazzed!!!! I feel
like a 3 year old!Subj:  divorce
Date:  96-09-22 01:54:01 edt
From:  Bible TnD
Posted on:  America Online

TSimon3916
Thanks for your kind thoughts!
Try not to feel guilty for having a good marraige, though, your sister will
probably find a someone very special and have one also, she's got a great
role model to follow. (This actually from experience!) I have been married to
husband #2 for 9 years (without a single argument :-O) My youngest sister
refused to marry until she found someone who she felt would be as great.
She's told me from the beginning that my second husband was a gift from God
for all that my family survived with my ex. She must be right my MIL and I
are best friends! (That's got to be a gift from someone!!!)Subj:  divorce
Date:  96-09-22 01:54:01 edt
From:  Bible TnD
Posted on:  America Online

TSimon3916
Thanks for your kind thoughts!
Try not to feel guilty for having a good marraige, though, your sister will
probably find a someone very special and have one also, she's got a great
role model to follow. (This actually from experience!) I have been married to
husband #2 for 9 years (without a single argument :-O) My youngest sister
refused to marry until she found someone who she felt would be as great.
She's told me from the beginning that my second husband was a gift from God
for all that my family survived with my ex. She must be right my MIL and I
are best friends! (That's got to be a gift from someone!!!)Subj:
Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 02:42:14 edt
From:  CHEYSKI
Posted on:  America Online

Not only do we leave the clean dishes in the dishwasher (when they should be
unloaded) but, we leave clean clothes in the dryer until they are all gone
and need to be washed again.  Sad but trueSubj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 02:42:14 edt
From:  CHEYSKI
Posted on:  America Online

Not only do we leave the clean dishes in the dishwasher (when they should be
unloaded) but, we leave clean clothes in the dryer until they are all gone
and need to be washed again.  Sad but trueSubj:  Re: pork and polyester
Date:  96-09-22 03:40:52 edt
From:  Jms219
Posted on:  America Online

>>Sorry about that, dh corrected me after I had posted it (sigh)...You're not
supposed to wear blended fabrics...so no polyester-cotton blends. I hope that
helps.<<

Don't you hate it when they peer over your shoulder and read your posts? :)
I always tell mine to give me some space, I'm enjoying "relax" time.

As for the mixed fabrics, I had never heard of that one!  I'm not real "up"
on the Jewish Law, since obviously I don't follow it.  I had to do some
research and finally did find it.  I'll see if my dh knows that one!
I wondering why they had that law.  The Laws usually make sense to me right
away, but this one escapes me.
God has good fashion sense?  :)Subj:  Re: pork and polyester
Date:  96-09-22 03:40:52 edt
From:  Jms219
Posted on:  America Online

>>Sorry about that, dh corrected me after I had posted it (sigh)...You're not
supposed to wear blended fabrics...so no polyester-cotton blends. I hope that
helps.<<

Don't you hate it when they peer over your shoulder and read your posts? :)
I always tell mine to give me some space, I'm enjoying "relax" time.

As for the mixed fabrics, I had never heard of that one!  I'm not real "up"
on the Jewish Law, since obviously I don't follow it.  I had to do some
research and finally did find it.  I'll see if my dh knows that one!
I wondering why they had that law.  The Laws usually make sense to me right
away, but this one escapes me.
God has good fashion sense?  :)Subj:  Re:{{Lisa}}  PMS
Date:  96-09-22 03:45:39 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

I'm just feeling for Lisa right now. I have the exact same problem (except I
want chocolate instead of salt). All of those other symptoms identical. I was
cranky, mean (I yelled at the woman on my e-mail loop), pain, sore breasts
etc (thought I was pregnant). It started exactly a week before my period.
Just wanted you to know that you're not alone.

GwenSubj:  Re:{{Lisa}}  PMS
Date:  96-09-22 03:45:39 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

I'm just feeling for Lisa right now. I have the exact same problem (except I
want chocolate instead of salt). All of those other symptoms identical. I was
cranky, mean (I yelled at the woman on my e-mail loop), pain, sore breasts
etc (thought I was pregnant). It started exactly a week before my period.
Just wanted you to know that you're not alone.

GwenSubj:  Re:{{Lisa}}  PMS
Date:  96-09-22 03:45:39 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

I'm just feeling for Lisa right now. I have the exact same problem (except I
want chocolate instead of salt). All of those other symptoms identical. I was
cranky, mean (I yelled at the woman on my e-mail loop), pain, sore breasts
etc (thought I was pregnant). It started exactly a week before my period.
Just wanted you to know that you're not alone.

GwenSubj:  Re: pork and polyester
Date:  96-09-22 03:47:22 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<God has good fashion sense?  :)>>

I have one thing to say :ROFL

Subj:  Re: pork and polyester
Date:  96-09-22 03:47:22 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<God has good fashion sense?  :)>>

I have one thing to say :ROFL

Subj:  Rules
Date:  96-09-22 04:03:42 edt
From:  Jms219
Posted on:  America Online

>>Part of my point was, that the "rules' against gay people also came from
the old testament. Jesus himself never mentioned homosexual activity.<<

True Jesus did not himself say anything about homosexual activites, but he
did follow the Jewish Law while alive which denounces such activities.  Jesus
never really layed out a Law as Moses did, as a matter of fact he didn't
really mention the Laws unless someone asked him, or he thought that they
were not following them as they should.  An example of this would be the laws
of the Sabbath.  Jesus saw them as traditional nonsense and not what the
original Jewish Law said.

The Jewish thoughts on this were reiterated when Paul wrote about them in
Romans and especially 1Corinthians.   Since the Bible has Paul being "picked"
out by Jesus himself, his words on this would be in harmony with Jesus.
These "rules" were not just in the Old Testament, but also the New Testament,
several times in fact as I noted on my scriptures that I posted before.

One more thing, for fear that I am harping on this, is the last verse in the
Book of John which tells us that the books about Jesus don't tell EVERYTHING
of what he did.  If they did, according to John, the world itself could not
contain the scrolls written.
Which just proves my thoughts that Jesus did talk A LOT and wasn't all dreamy
eyed like in the movies!!!Subj:  Rules
Date:  96-09-22 04:03:42 edt
From:  Jms219
Posted on:  America Online

>>Part of my point was, that the "rules' against gay people also came from
the old testament. Jesus himself never mentioned homosexual activity.<<

True Jesus did not himself say anything about homosexual activites, but he
did follow the Jewish Law while alive which denounces such activities.  Jesus
never really layed out a Law as Moses did, as a matter of fact he didn't
really mention the Laws unless someone asked him, or he thought that they
were not following them as they should.  An example of this would be the laws
of the Sabbath.  Jesus saw them as traditional nonsense and not what the
original Jewish Law said.

The Jewish thoughts on this were reiterated when Paul wrote about them in
Romans and especially 1Corinthians.   Since the Bible has Paul being "picked"
out by Jesus himself, his words on this would be in harmony with Jesus.
These "rules" were not just in the Old Testament, but also the New Testament,
several times in fact as I noted on my scriptures that I posted before.

One more thing, for fear that I am harping on this, is the last verse in the
Book of John which tells us that the books about Jesus don't tell EVERYTHING
of what he did.  If they did, according to John, the world itself could not
contain the scrolls written.
Which just proves my thoughts that Jesus did talk A LOT and wasn't all dreamy
eyed like in the movies!!!Subj:  re: JC Superstar
Date:  96-09-22 04:04:49 edt
From:  Jms219
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks for the info on JC Superstar.  I've probably heard the music and never
realized where it was from!Subj:  re: JC Superstar
Date:  96-09-22 04:04:49 edt
From:  Jms219
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks for the info on JC Superstar.  I've probably heard the music and never
realized where it was from!Subj:  re: JC Superstar
Date:  96-09-22 04:04:49 edt
From:  Jms219
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks for the info on JC Superstar.  I've probably heard the music and never
realized where it was from!Subj:  Re:{{Lisa}}  PMS
Date:  96-09-22 04:17:28 edt
From:  Jms219
Posted on:  America Online

I'm there with you too Lisa.....which is probably why I have spent WAY too
much time on this board and not doing my housework.

As far as the birth control and gaining 25 pounds...did that when I was first
married.  Oh, my cramps were so much better!  But then I started gettting
really weird.  Guess what?  I CAN'T take BC pills, they make me absolutely
insane.
Our first clue was when I started throwing objects at my DH.  He was probably
wondering: What in the world did I marry!  We had been only married for 6
months!

Needless to say we finally figured it out and got me off of those things. We
even tried all different kinds, none helped.
Yep, babies did help it.  I'm so glad, I seriously wanted to die when it was
that time of the month!Subj:  Re:{{Lisa}}  PMS
Date:  96-09-22 04:17:28 edt
From:  Jms219
Posted on:  America Online

I'm there with you too Lisa.....which is probably why I have spent WAY too
much time on this board and not doing my housework.

As far as the birth control and gaining 25 pounds...did that when I was first
married.  Oh, my cramps were so much better!  But then I started gettting
really weird.  Guess what?  I CAN'T take BC pills, they make me absolutely
insane.
Our first clue was when I started throwing objects at my DH.  He was probably
wondering: What in the world did I marry!  We had been only married for 6
months!

Needless to say we finally figured it out and got me off of those things. We
even tried all different kinds, none helped.
Yep, babies did help it.  I'm so glad, I seriously wanted to die when it was
that time of the month!Subj:  Re:{{Lisa}}  PMS
Date:  96-09-22 04:17:28 edt
From:  Jms219
Posted on:  America Online

I'm there with you too Lisa.....which is probably why I have spent WAY too
much time on this board and not doing my housework.

As far as the birth control and gaining 25 pounds...did that when I was first
married.  Oh, my cramps were so much better!  But then I started gettting
really weird.  Guess what?  I CAN'T take BC pills, they make me absolutely
insane.
Our first clue was when I started throwing objects at my DH.  He was probably
wondering: What in the world did I marry!  We had been only married for 6
months!

Needless to say we finally figured it out and got me off of those things. We
even tried all different kinds, none helped.
Yep, babies did help it.  I'm so glad, I seriously wanted to die when it was
that time of the month!Subj:  Re:{{Lisa}}  PMS
Date:  96-09-22 09:18:02 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

I have found a lifesaver for PMS, the DH finally wants to come home during
THAT WEEK. I thought I was losing my mind and there wasn't anything I could
do to control it. I felt like my skin was crawling off my body, I couldn't
deal with life in general, my kids (yes there are six of them, enough to make
a saint drink), my DH, I felt like everything was falling apart. Not to
mention the cramps etc. The thing that scared me most is, I wanted to hurt
someone, it didn't matter who, I wanted to see blood!!!

I ran to my Dr who talked to me about hormone theraphy and that kind of
thing. Then he suggested we start out slow till we found something that
works. Right now I'm on vitamin B6 600mg daily. It's made a complete and
total difference in the PMS symptoms. NO cramping, I don't feel like I'm
going to fall apart, and I don't want to kill anyone....well except for his
ex, and my ex...but those are natural. Those feelings were there before all
this started. LOL.

Give it a shot, it does work, and you'll feel 100% better.
Subj:  Re:{{Lisa}}  PMS
Date:  96-09-22 09:18:02 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

I have found a lifesaver for PMS, the DH finally wants to come home during
THAT WEEK. I thought I was losing my mind and there wasn't anything I could
do to control it. I felt like my skin was crawling off my body, I couldn't
deal with life in general, my kids (yes there are six of them, enough to make
a saint drink), my DH, I felt like everything was falling apart. Not to
mention the cramps etc. The thing that scared me most is, I wanted to hurt
someone, it didn't matter who, I wanted to see blood!!!

I ran to my Dr who talked to me about hormone theraphy and that kind of
thing. Then he suggested we start out slow till we found something that
works. Right now I'm on vitamin B6 600mg daily. It's made a complete and
total difference in the PMS symptoms. NO cramping, I don't feel like I'm
going to fall apart, and I don't want to kill anyone....well except for his
ex, and my ex...but those are natural. Those feelings were there before all
this started. LOL.

Give it a shot, it does work, and you'll feel 100% better.
Subj:  Re:{{Lisa}}  PMS
Date:  96-09-22 09:18:02 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

I have found a lifesaver for PMS, the DH finally wants to come home during
THAT WEEK. I thought I was losing my mind and there wasn't anything I could
do to control it. I felt like my skin was crawling off my body, I couldn't
deal with life in general, my kids (yes there are six of them, enough to make
a saint drink), my DH, I felt like everything was falling apart. Not to
mention the cramps etc. The thing that scared me most is, I wanted to hurt
someone, it didn't matter who, I wanted to see blood!!!

I ran to my Dr who talked to me about hormone theraphy and that kind of
thing. Then he suggested we start out slow till we found something that
works. Right now I'm on vitamin B6 600mg daily. It's made a complete and
total difference in the PMS symptoms. NO cramping, I don't feel like I'm
going to fall apart, and I don't want to kill anyone....well except for his
ex, and my ex...but those are natural. Those feelings were there before all
this started. LOL.

Give it a shot, it does work, and you'll feel 100% better.
Subj:  Peeping dhs
Date:  96-09-22 09:27:37 edt
From:  KaitlinE5
Posted on:  America Online

<<Don't you hate it when they peer over your shoulder and read your posts?>>

I always tell Dh not to bother me while I'm having cyber sex.  LOL!!!!
However, that always makes him more curious.  LOL

KatieSubj:  Peeping dhs
Date:  96-09-22 09:27:37 edt
From:  KaitlinE5
Posted on:  America Online

<<Don't you hate it when they peer over your shoulder and read your posts?>>

I always tell Dh not to bother me while I'm having cyber sex.  LOL!!!!
However, that always makes him more curious.  LOL

KatieSubj:  Peeping dhs
Date:  96-09-22 09:27:37 edt
From:  KaitlinE5
Posted on:  America Online

<<Don't you hate it when they peer over your shoulder and read your posts?>>

I always tell Dh not to bother me while I'm having cyber sex.  LOL!!!!
However, that always makes him more curious.  LOL

KatieSubj:  Peeping dhs
Date:  96-09-22 09:27:37 edt
From:  KaitlinE5
Posted on:  America Online

<<Don't you hate it when they peer over your shoulder and read your posts?>>

I always tell Dh not to bother me while I'm having cyber sex.  LOL!!!!
However, that always makes him more curious.  LOL

KatieSubj:  Peeping dhs
Date:  96-09-22 09:27:37 edt
From:  KaitlinE5
Posted on:  America Online

<<Don't you hate it when they peer over your shoulder and read your posts?>>

I always tell Dh not to bother me while I'm having cyber sex.  LOL!!!!
However, that always makes him more curious.  LOL

KatieSubj:  Re:{{Lisa}}  PMS
Date:  96-09-22 09:37:53 edt
From:  KaitlinE5
Posted on:  America Online

From the time I was a teenager I had such cramps that I'd even faint from
them.  As I got older, my ability to endure them got stronger, but so did the
cramps.  And talk about being moody!  I used to think that there was
something really weird about me, <other than the obvious  LOL>  After I had
Cody, they found that I have 4th degree Endometriosis.  That accounts for a
lot of my pain.  Medication really helped a lot.  But I love pregnancy.  I
look forward to the next several months being pain free.  My point is that my
other doctors always said it was PMS and there wasn't much they could do for
me.  The opinion was that PMS was no big deal.  They just have no clue.
Subj:  Re:{{Lisa}}  PMS
Date:  96-09-22 09:37:53 edt
From:  KaitlinE5
Posted on:  America Online

From the time I was a teenager I had such cramps that I'd even faint from
them.  As I got older, my ability to endure them got stronger, but so did the
cramps.  And talk about being moody!  I used to think that there was
something really weird about me, <other than the obvious  LOL>  After I had
Cody, they found that I have 4th degree Endometriosis.  That accounts for a
lot of my pain.  Medication really helped a lot.  But I love pregnancy.  I
look forward to the next several months being pain free.  My point is that my
other doctors always said it was PMS and there wasn't much they could do for
me.  The opinion was that PMS was no big deal.  They just have no clue.
Subj:  Re:{{Lisa}}  PMS
Date:  96-09-22 09:37:53 edt
From:  KaitlinE5
Posted on:  America Online

From the time I was a teenager I had such cramps that I'd even faint from
them.  As I got older, my ability to endure them got stronger, but so did the
cramps.  And talk about being moody!  I used to think that there was
something really weird about me, <other than the obvious  LOL>  After I had
Cody, they found that I have 4th degree Endometriosis.  That accounts for a
lot of my pain.  Medication really helped a lot.  But I love pregnancy.  I
look forward to the next several months being pain free.  My point is that my
other doctors always said it was PMS and there wasn't much they could do for
me.  The opinion was that PMS was no big deal.  They just have no clue.
Subj:  Leavin on a Jet Plane....
Date:  96-09-22 10:04:56 edt
From:  BrattyBrat
Posted on:  America Online

Well, mommies..I'm OUTTA HERE!  Be good eat all your veggies, and look both
ways before crossing! <g>
I'm off to the land of da Mouse..oh yea and that conference thing <g> I'm
gonna TRY to find the AOL pavilion in Epcot so I can jump on and say hello to
you all!
If I can't find it, I'll be back next Monday...I'll be thinking of you all!
DianaSubj:  Leavin on a Jet Plane....
Date:  96-09-22 10:04:56 edt
From:  BrattyBrat
Posted on:  America Online

Well, mommies..I'm OUTTA HERE!  Be good eat all your veggies, and look both
ways before crossing! <g>
I'm off to the land of da Mouse..oh yea and that conference thing <g> I'm
gonna TRY to find the AOL pavilion in Epcot so I can jump on and say hello to
you all!
If I can't find it, I'll be back next Monday...I'll be thinking of you all!
DianaSubj:  Leavin on a Jet Plane....
Date:  96-09-22 10:04:56 edt
From:  BrattyBrat
Posted on:  America Online

Well, mommies..I'm OUTTA HERE!  Be good eat all your veggies, and look both
ways before crossing! <g>
I'm off to the land of da Mouse..oh yea and that conference thing <g> I'm
gonna TRY to find the AOL pavilion in Epcot so I can jump on and say hello to
you all!
If I can't find it, I'll be back next Monday...I'll be thinking of you all!
DianaSubj:  Re:Leavin on a Jet Plane....
Date:  96-09-22 10:24:56 edt
From:  SunnyDazy
Posted on:  America Online

<<Well, mommies..I'm OUTTA HERE!  Be good eat all your veggies, and look both
ways before crossing! <g>
I'm off to the land of da Mouse..oh yea and that conference thing <g> I'm
gonna TRY to find the AOL pavilion in Epcot so I can jump on and say hello to
you all!
If I can't find it, I'll be back next Monday...I'll be thinking of you all!
Diana>>

I hope you have a wonderful time!!!  I'm soo jealous!  I am another, like
you, who just LOVES Disney!!!  I cannot wait to go again...it's been at least
6 years since I was last there.  I'm hoping to go again in maybe 5 or so
years.  My husband is from Poland and has never been there - I just know
he'll love Epcot and MGM (I've never been to Universal, but am dying to go!)
and with our new little boy, I can't wait to see the joy of Disney in his
eyes!  Of course...that's when he's a little older (he's only 9 1/2 weeks
now!)  Enjoy your vacation and get a BIG HUG from Mickey!

Sunny & Alex :)Subj:  Re:Leavin on a Jet Plane....
Date:  96-09-22 10:24:56 edt
From:  SunnyDazy
Posted on:  America Online

<<Well, mommies..I'm OUTTA HERE!  Be good eat all your veggies, and look both
ways before crossing! <g>
I'm off to the land of da Mouse..oh yea and that conference thing <g> I'm
gonna TRY to find the AOL pavilion in Epcot so I can jump on and say hello to
you all!
If I can't find it, I'll be back next Monday...I'll be thinking of you all!
Diana>>

I hope you have a wonderful time!!!  I'm soo jealous!  I am another, like
you, who just LOVES Disney!!!  I cannot wait to go again...it's been at least
6 years since I was last there.  I'm hoping to go again in maybe 5 or so
years.  My husband is from Poland and has never been there - I just know
he'll love Epcot and MGM (I've never been to Universal, but am dying to go!)
and with our new little boy, I can't wait to see the joy of Disney in his
eyes!  Of course...that's when he's a little older (he's only 9 1/2 weeks
now!)  Enjoy your vacation and get a BIG HUG from Mickey!

Sunny & Alex :)Subj:  Re:Leavin on a Jet Plane....
Date:  96-09-22 10:24:56 edt
From:  SunnyDazy
Posted on:  America Online

<<Well, mommies..I'm OUTTA HERE!  Be good eat all your veggies, and look both
ways before crossing! <g>
I'm off to the land of da Mouse..oh yea and that conference thing <g> I'm
gonna TRY to find the AOL pavilion in Epcot so I can jump on and say hello to
you all!
If I can't find it, I'll be back next Monday...I'll be thinking of you all!
Diana>>

I hope you have a wonderful time!!!  I'm soo jealous!  I am another, like
you, who just LOVES Disney!!!  I cannot wait to go again...it's been at least
6 years since I was last there.  I'm hoping to go again in maybe 5 or so
years.  My husband is from Poland and has never been there - I just know
he'll love Epcot and MGM (I've never been to Universal, but am dying to go!)
and with our new little boy, I can't wait to see the joy of Disney in his
eyes!  Of course...that's when he's a little older (he's only 9 1/2 weeks
now!)  Enjoy your vacation and get a BIG HUG from Mickey!

Sunny & Alex :)Subj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 11:18:08 edt
From:  CATRUN
Posted on:  America Online

<<we leave clean clothes in the dryer until they are all gone and need to be
washed again.  Sad but true>>

With five kids, I am ALWAYS doing laundry.  The clean clothes are piled on
the couch, and I *try* to fold them & put them away, but always find
something that needs doing more.  The kids know if it's not in their drawers,
look on the couch...........

Whoever said a clean house is a sign of a sick mind........is right!!Subj:
Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 11:18:08 edt
From:  CATRUN
Posted on:  America Online

<<we leave clean clothes in the dryer until they are all gone and need to be
washed again.  Sad but true>>

With five kids, I am ALWAYS doing laundry.  The clean clothes are piled on
the couch, and I *try* to fold them & put them away, but always find
something that needs doing more.  The kids know if it's not in their drawers,
look on the couch...........

Whoever said a clean house is a sign of a sick mind........is right!!Subj:
Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 11:18:08 edt
From:  CATRUN
Posted on:  America Online

<<we leave clean clothes in the dryer until they are all gone and need to be
washed again.  Sad but true>>

With five kids, I am ALWAYS doing laundry.  The clean clothes are piled on
the couch, and I *try* to fold them & put them away, but always find
something that needs doing more.  The kids know if it's not in their drawers,
look on the couch...........

Whoever said a clean house is a sign of a sick mind........is right!!Subj:
Re: Last temptation
Date:  96-09-22 12:38:37 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

No, I don't generalize about Christians.  I know many who are pretty
humorless and many who have a rather biting sense of humor about religion.
My dad was a Unitarian(ok, not really christian) minister with Episcopal
leanings and he always called them- God's frozen chosen!!  He laughed about
it a lot.  He also loved Depeche Mode- the song Blasphemous Rumors.
---sigh---  He had no musical tastes...
I have Christian friends, I just don't like the Christians who think it's
within thier rights to tell me that my concieved out of wedlock child is
going to hell and so am I, or to throw pictures of dead babies at me when I'm
going into a clinic.  That's all.  The ones who try to make other people's
moral decisions for them...
kay
Subj:  Re: Last temptation
Date:  96-09-22 12:38:37 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

No, I don't generalize about Christians.  I know many who are pretty
humorless and many who have a rather biting sense of humor about religion.
My dad was a Unitarian(ok, not really christian) minister with Episcopal
leanings and he always called them- God's frozen chosen!!  He laughed about
it a lot.  He also loved Depeche Mode- the song Blasphemous Rumors.
---sigh---  He had no musical tastes...
I have Christian friends, I just don't like the Christians who think it's
within thier rights to tell me that my concieved out of wedlock child is
going to hell and so am I, or to throw pictures of dead babies at me when I'm
going into a clinic.  That's all.  The ones who try to make other people's
moral decisions for them...
kay
Subj:  Re: Last temptation
Date:  96-09-22 12:38:37 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

No, I don't generalize about Christians.  I know many who are pretty
humorless and many who have a rather biting sense of humor about religion.
My dad was a Unitarian(ok, not really christian) minister with Episcopal
leanings and he always called them- God's frozen chosen!!  He laughed about
it a lot.  He also loved Depeche Mode- the song Blasphemous Rumors.
---sigh---  He had no musical tastes...
I have Christian friends, I just don't like the Christians who think it's
within thier rights to tell me that my concieved out of wedlock child is
going to hell and so am I, or to throw pictures of dead babies at me when I'm
going into a clinic.  That's all.  The ones who try to make other people's
moral decisions for them...
kay
Subj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 12:39:05 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Geeze Im glad to know that even thou my house is a disaster, it is in good
company!  :)
I should have the DH read that its a mommy syndrome thing!  LOL

Yeah the clean laundy stays folded in that basket on the couch!
When we run out of undies its time to do the clothes!  eeeek!  :)
Doesnt help my 2 year old needs to change her clothing 3-4 times a day!
little fashion plate!  LOLSubj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 12:39:05 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Geeze Im glad to know that even thou my house is a disaster, it is in good
company!  :)
I should have the DH read that its a mommy syndrome thing!  LOL

Yeah the clean laundy stays folded in that basket on the couch!
When we run out of undies its time to do the clothes!  eeeek!  :)
Doesnt help my 2 year old needs to change her clothing 3-4 times a day!
little fashion plate!  LOLSubj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 12:39:05 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Geeze Im glad to know that even thou my house is a disaster, it is in good
company!  :)
I should have the DH read that its a mommy syndrome thing!  LOL

Yeah the clean laundy stays folded in that basket on the couch!
When we run out of undies its time to do the clothes!  eeeek!  :)
Doesnt help my 2 year old needs to change her clothing 3-4 times a day!
little fashion plate!  LOLSubj:  Re:Silly
Date:  96-09-22 12:40:52 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hey  I waited 38 min between my first and second!  LOL
:)Subj:  Re:Silly
Date:  96-09-22 12:40:52 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hey  I waited 38 min between my first and second!  LOL
:)Subj:  Thanks for the advice
Date:  96-09-22 13:40:36 edt
From:  Anninmd
Posted on:  America Online

I posted a couple of days ago (but HUNDREDS of posts ago- this place is
hopping!) about my DH's birthday and unwanted company. I would like to thank
all that responded. The only reason it was such a big deal to me was that my
children never get any alone time with my IL's and I think they deserve it.
DH also never does and told me several weeks ago that he wanted to see them
alone. The only reason this matters alot now is that we will be moving as
soon as we sell our house. So.....it all worked out perfectly. I called MIL
to confirm and tactfully told her why we didn't want Adam to come. They came,
we had a wonderful dinner and my children had the best time they have ever
had with their Grandparents and DH got to have a real conversation with them
for once. After they left he kissed me and thanked me (most unusual!)

Thanks all,
AnnSubj:  Thanks for the advice
Date:  96-09-22 13:40:36 edt
From:  Anninmd
Posted on:  America Online

I posted a couple of days ago (but HUNDREDS of posts ago- this place is
hopping!) about my DH's birthday and unwanted company. I would like to thank
all that responded. The only reason it was such a big deal to me was that my
children never get any alone time with my IL's and I think they deserve it.
DH also never does and told me several weeks ago that he wanted to see them
alone. The only reason this matters alot now is that we will be moving as
soon as we sell our house. So.....it all worked out perfectly. I called MIL
to confirm and tactfully told her why we didn't want Adam to come. They came,
we had a wonderful dinner and my children had the best time they have ever
had with their Grandparents and DH got to have a real conversation with them
for once. After they left he kissed me and thanked me (most unusual!)

Thanks all,
AnnSubj:  JC and musicals
Date:  96-09-22 13:50:02 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Did you ever see that one JC Superstar where it was modernized?  when he is
crucifide~~ its with a power drill on a metal cross???   THey havent played
that version in years!  I think too many people were offended!   Hey I liked
it!

I still like the one with Yvonne Elluman <sp> as Mary Mag.   the songs on
there are quite emotional, and it makes for a nice story!  :)  Every once in
a while one of those songs wont get out of my head!  [whats the buzz tell me
whats a happenin...]  [I dont now how to love him.....]  It does tell a very
sad story, but it is something if you havent seen it and want to, Blockbuster
carries it!  $3 for 3 days!  Watch it all at once, its kinda long but worth
it!

Every Easter there is always a live version somewhere, if you are interested
in seeing it live!
 Its neat to see a live musical, we saw Joesph and the techocolor dream coat,
with Donny Osmond, I didnt know what to expect, and was pleasently surprized
that he can actually sing!  Of course I still think he is a dork!  LOL  But
now I think of him as a talented dork!  :)
I have seen a few musicals and I think that if you arent expecting the record
or the movie and treat it as a seperate medium, youd enjoy it.  Kinda like if
you go see a group you really like, and it sounds kinda like the record, but
not!  Well if you want the record listen to that, see that movie etc if you
can go in with no preconcieved ideas you can really enjoy it!  same with
plays, operas, etc!
Hey its like if you  read a book, and they make it to a movie, sometimes it
is on the mark, but most of the time the book is better!
[the only incentive not to read books!  LOL]Subj:  JC and musicals
Date:  96-09-22 13:50:02 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Did you ever see that one JC Superstar where it was modernized?  when he is
crucifide~~ its with a power drill on a metal cross???   THey havent played
that version in years!  I think too many people were offended!   Hey I liked
it!

I still like the one with Yvonne Elluman <sp> as Mary Mag.   the songs on
there are quite emotional, and it makes for a nice story!  :)  Every once in
a while one of those songs wont get out of my head!  [whats the buzz tell me
whats a happenin...]  [I dont now how to love him.....]  It does tell a very
sad story, but it is something if you havent seen it and want to, Blockbuster
carries it!  $3 for 3 days!  Watch it all at once, its kinda long but worth
it!

Every Easter there is always a live version somewhere, if you are interested
in seeing it live!
 Its neat to see a live musical, we saw Joesph and the techocolor dream coat,
with Donny Osmond, I didnt know what to expect, and was pleasently surprized
that he can actually sing!  Of course I still think he is a dork!  LOL  But
now I think of him as a talented dork!  :)
I have seen a few musicals and I think that if you arent expecting the record
or the movie and treat it as a seperate medium, youd enjoy it.  Kinda like if
you go see a group you really like, and it sounds kinda like the record, but
not!  Well if you want the record listen to that, see that movie etc if you
can go in with no preconcieved ideas you can really enjoy it!  same with
plays, operas, etc!
Hey its like if you  read a book, and they make it to a movie, sometimes it
is on the mark, but most of the time the book is better!
[the only incentive not to read books!  LOL]Subj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 14:41:10 edt
From:  Anninmd
Posted on:  America Online

I have a laundry chute that goes from my son's room to the laundry room. It's
closed on the bottom so the laundry stays in there, it can't be seen piling
up! I do laundry whenever I can't put anything else in there and it backs up
to the second floor. (Which is really bad considering we have 10' ceilings in
my house) Yesterday I broke down and had to do laundry- I was folding and
putting away for 3 hours (15 loads. It had been about 10 days.) Needless to
say, I make sure we all have a nice big supply onf underwear. My son is 4 and
sometimes "dribbles" so he changes his underwear. I counted 20 pairs or his
underwear that I folded. LOL
AnnSubj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 14:41:10 edt
From:  Anninmd
Posted on:  America Online

I have a laundry chute that goes from my son's room to the laundry room. It's
closed on the bottom so the laundry stays in there, it can't be seen piling
up! I do laundry whenever I can't put anything else in there and it backs up
to the second floor. (Which is really bad considering we have 10' ceilings in
my house) Yesterday I broke down and had to do laundry- I was folding and
putting away for 3 hours (15 loads. It had been about 10 days.) Needless to
say, I make sure we all have a nice big supply onf underwear. My son is 4 and
sometimes "dribbles" so he changes his underwear. I counted 20 pairs or his
underwear that I folded. LOL
AnnSubj:  Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-22 14:41:58 edt
From:  MommANITA
Posted on:  America Online

I read recently in the newspaper where some university did a study on using
the restroom and hand-washing.  It turns out that nationally, only 60% of men
and 70% of women wash their hands after they use the restroom.  That  is not
just unsanitary, it is *repulsive*.  I've even been washing my hands in a
public restroom, heard someone else in a stall with the telltale signs of
paper being unwrapped, etc., and she promptly walked right out of the
restroom.  Ugh!  Let's all teach our kids the basics of hygiene!

-Anita :DSubj:  Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-22 14:41:58 edt
From:  MommANITA
Posted on:  America Online

I read recently in the newspaper where some university did a study on using
the restroom and hand-washing.  It turns out that nationally, only 60% of men
and 70% of women wash their hands after they use the restroom.  That  is not
just unsanitary, it is *repulsive*.  I've even been washing my hands in a
public restroom, heard someone else in a stall with the telltale signs of
paper being unwrapped, etc., and she promptly walked right out of the
restroom.  Ugh!  Let's all teach our kids the basics of hygiene!

-Anita :DSubj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-22 14:49:04 edt
From:  BameKid7
Posted on:  America Online

Man, looks like I've missed a lot of action around here! Your computer goes
down for a day or two and KABOWWEE!  I'm not even gonna try to catch up.  Did
we get the homosexuality debate out of our systems?  Have any heathens been
saved online?

Anyway, I read this, and I believe it -- I stand at the sink washing my hands
while everyone else around me walzes out filthy.  I used towels to open the
door when I leave.

I listened to one idiot radio talk show host that didn't understand what all
the fuss was about, and thinks people who worry about germs are fussy and
paranoid.  He should die of a pox, and he probably will!

julieSubj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-22 14:49:04 edt
From:  BameKid7
Posted on:  America Online

Man, looks like I've missed a lot of action around here! Your computer goes
down for a day or two and KABOWWEE!  I'm not even gonna try to catch up.  Did
we get the homosexuality debate out of our systems?  Have any heathens been
saved online?

Anyway, I read this, and I believe it -- I stand at the sink washing my hands
while everyone else around me walzes out filthy.  I used towels to open the
door when I leave.

I listened to one idiot radio talk show host that didn't understand what all
the fuss was about, and thinks people who worry about germs are fussy and
paranoid.  He should die of a pox, and he probably will!

julieSubj:  A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-22 14:59:16 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

I just love these boards!!
I was drunk again the other day... walking through Wal-mart with my snot
nosed kids.. ( I go there now and then to feel better about myself because of
my moral weakness.....Hey , at least I sober up enough to bathe them twice a
week! ).. anyways..there I was at Wal-mart to get some ciggarettes and
vaseline to protect my new tattoo, which I'm very proud of as its extremely
hard to get tattoo'd and breastfeed at the same time !  The tattooist only
had to tell my son once to stop suckling and he listened right away. I think
that was because he looked like one my boyfriends. I was real proud of him..
he only complained for a minute but he quieted down as soon as I gave him one
of my nipple rings to play with. So back to Wal-mart.. When I went through
the checkout line I ran into girlfriend of mine that I had'nt seen in quite
awhile. She didn't look too good because her husband had beat her again last
night. I wonder if she'll ever figure out how to stop making him mad!
On my way out I picked up a magazine that had some very good articles. One of
them was about the Indians, or in PC terms, Native Americans, or Indigenous
People ) and all of the lawsuits they have pending in the federal courts. I
am so tired of them complaining. Personally I think they should send them
back to wherever they came from !    Thanks for listening....

;)Subj:  A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-22 14:59:16 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

I just love these boards!!
I was drunk again the other day... walking through Wal-mart with my snot
nosed kids.. ( I go there now and then to feel better about myself because of
my moral weakness.....Hey , at least I sober up enough to bathe them twice a
week! ).. anyways..there I was at Wal-mart to get some ciggarettes and
vaseline to protect my new tattoo, which I'm very proud of as its extremely
hard to get tattoo'd and breastfeed at the same time !  The tattooist only
had to tell my son once to stop suckling and he listened right away. I think
that was because he looked like one my boyfriends. I was real proud of him..
he only complained for a minute but he quieted down as soon as I gave him one
of my nipple rings to play with. So back to Wal-mart.. When I went through
the checkout line I ran into girlfriend of mine that I had'nt seen in quite
awhile. She didn't look too good because her husband had beat her again last
night. I wonder if she'll ever figure out how to stop making him mad!
On my way out I picked up a magazine that had some very good articles. One of
them was about the Indians, or in PC terms, Native Americans, or Indigenous
People ) and all of the lawsuits they have pending in the federal courts. I
am so tired of them complaining. Personally I think they should send them
back to wherever they came from !    Thanks for listening....

;)Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-22 15:56:55 edt
From:  BrattyBrat
Posted on:  America Online

That was HYSTERICAL!!!!!! Tell me, do you have nothing better to do?Subj:
Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-22 15:56:55 edt
From:  BrattyBrat
Posted on:  America Online

That was HYSTERICAL!!!!!! Tell me, do you have nothing better to do?Subj:
Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-22 15:56:55 edt
From:  BrattyBrat
Posted on:  America Online

That was HYSTERICAL!!!!!! Tell me, do you have nothing better to do?Subj:
Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-22 16:40:33 edt
From:  PoohBearPC
Posted on:  America Online

NICE Screen name! Yes, I did pick that up!Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-22 16:40:33 edt
From:  PoohBearPC
Posted on:  America Online

NICE Screen name! Yes, I did pick that up!Subj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-22 16:41:04 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

One of my biggest pet peeves!!! I read that study as well. They had people
hiding in bathrooms watching and people that pretended to comb their hair and
stuff to observe.  Isn't that totally disgusting!! that's why I hate to touch
the door handle when I leave!

DON'T BE PIGS-WASH YOUR HANDS!

KerrySubj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-22 16:41:04 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

One of my biggest pet peeves!!! I read that study as well. They had people
hiding in bathrooms watching and people that pretended to comb their hair and
stuff to observe.  Isn't that totally disgusting!! that's why I hate to touch
the door handle when I leave!

DON'T BE PIGS-WASH YOUR HANDS!

KerrySubj:  Jews and homosexuals
Date:  96-09-22 17:36:27 edt
From:  The calgal
Posted on:  America Online

  Hey, it seems like some of the recent posts say that it's the Jewish
religion that doesn't accept homosexuality.  I am not too knowledgeable about
Judaism, though I am Jewish.  But I have a good friend who's an openly gay
rabbi, and know that in most reform and conservative temples homosexuality is
accepted.  So don't blame the Jews!
  Also, there was a post about how Jesus came in to the picture and said you
should be kind to others and love God.  Believe me, Jews feel and have always
felt the same way.  This was not a big change in thought brought on by
Jesus.Subj:  Jews and homosexuals
Date:  96-09-22 17:36:27 edt
From:  The calgal
Posted on:  America Online

  Hey, it seems like some of the recent posts say that it's the Jewish
religion that doesn't accept homosexuality.  I am not too knowledgeable about
Judaism, though I am Jewish.  But I have a good friend who's an openly gay
rabbi, and know that in most reform and conservative temples homosexuality is
accepted.  So don't blame the Jews!
  Also, there was a post about how Jesus came in to the picture and said you
should be kind to others and love God.  Believe me, Jews feel and have always
felt the same way.  This was not a big change in thought brought on by
Jesus.Subj:  Jews and homosexuals
Date:  96-09-22 17:36:27 edt
From:  The calgal
Posted on:  America Online

  Hey, it seems like some of the recent posts say that it's the Jewish
religion that doesn't accept homosexuality.  I am not too knowledgeable about
Judaism, though I am Jewish.  But I have a good friend who's an openly gay
rabbi, and know that in most reform and conservative temples homosexuality is
accepted.  So don't blame the Jews!
  Also, there was a post about how Jesus came in to the picture and said you
should be kind to others and love God.  Believe me, Jews feel and have always
felt the same way.  This was not a big change in thought brought on by
Jesus.Subj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-22 17:36:58 edt
From:  The calgal
Posted on:  America Online

  I wash my hands, but sometimes I don't use soap.  Does this count?Subj:
Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-22 17:36:58 edt
From:  The calgal
Posted on:  America Online

  I wash my hands, but sometimes I don't use soap.  Does this count?Subj:
Online hours
Date:  96-09-22 18:53:12 edt
From:  Sheaxpress
Posted on:  America Online

I got a question...someone told me that if you have hours left online by the
time your billing cycle ends, those hours don't carry over...Is this true???
I just switched to that 20/20 thing and didn't realize how long 20 hours are
for me..I'm a new mommy and while I used more than the 5 hours they had..I
haven't quite reached 20!
That would suck badly if they didn't carry over...don't ya think?

ChanizeSubj:  Online hours
Date:  96-09-22 18:53:12 edt
From:  Sheaxpress
Posted on:  America Online

I got a question...someone told me that if you have hours left online by the
time your billing cycle ends, those hours don't carry over...Is this true???
I just switched to that 20/20 thing and didn't realize how long 20 hours are
for me..I'm a new mommy and while I used more than the 5 hours they had..I
haven't quite reached 20!
That would suck badly if they didn't carry over...don't ya think?

ChanizeSubj:  Bratty
Date:  96-09-22 18:59:39 edt
From:  Sheaxpress
Posted on:  America Online

I am new here and I don't know you but I've read some of your posts and I'm
just curious...
1-You have your own horse?? In NYC?  Wow!  I live in the Bronx and don't know
anyone who has a horse...how did you manage that?

2-A personal trainer?  Do you go to a gym for that or do they come to your
home?  How many times a week do you do that??   And if I may be so bold, what
is it that you do that you can afford this?

Chanize- a 24 year old married woman,living in NYC, with a 3 1/2 month old
would love to know!

P.S.
If It sounds like I'm a bit jealous..I'm the first to tell you...I am!
:-)Subj:  Bratty
Date:  96-09-22 18:59:39 edt
From:  Sheaxpress
Posted on:  America Online

I am new here and I don't know you but I've read some of your posts and I'm
just curious...
1-You have your own horse?? In NYC?  Wow!  I live in the Bronx and don't know
anyone who has a horse...how did you manage that?

2-A personal trainer?  Do you go to a gym for that or do they come to your
home?  How many times a week do you do that??   And if I may be so bold, what
is it that you do that you can afford this?

Chanize- a 24 year old married woman,living in NYC, with a 3 1/2 month old
would love to know!

P.S.
If It sounds like I'm a bit jealous..I'm the first to tell you...I am!
:-)Subj:  Re:Bratty
Date:  96-09-22 19:10:56 edt
From:  BrattyBrat
Posted on:  America Online

Hi! I DID have my own horse.  If you followed my posts you would have read
that he died a year ago September 17th. I am now always have been and always
will be...a Spoiled Brat.  My father was generous enough to buy him for me.
For the short time I had him in the city, I kept him at Clermont Riding
Academy in New York City.  It's on 89th street Between Columbus and
Amsterdam.  If you want to learn how to ride...DON'T do it there.  It's
AWFUL.  I had Bunker Hill there only because I was still in High School. My
school was on 74th Street and Central Park West. It was very very convient. I
moved him when he put his foot through the floor.

As far as my personal trainer...I pay for her, she comes to my house once a
week, and we work for an hour (she usualy stays for an hour and a half) and
then during the week, I follow an exersice program she has layed out for me.
I pay her $70.00 per hour. I am a Computer Graphics Artist, and to be honest,
I CAN'T afford her..that is why I see her only once a week. BUT, it's my
health, the only body I have and if it means that I don't buy that shirt for
a week, I'll do it.  My problem is...I'm LAZY. All my life I have been
catered to, waited on hand and foot, and I've become conditioned to believe
that "someone else will take care of it." BAD theory...While dad is still
VERY VERY generousSubj:  Re:Bratty
Date:  96-09-22 19:10:56 edt
From:  BrattyBrat
Posted on:  America Online

Hi! I DID have my own horse.  If you followed my posts you would have read
that he died a year ago September 17th. I am now always have been and always
will be...a Spoiled Brat.  My father was generous enough to buy him for me.
For the short time I had him in the city, I kept him at Clermont Riding
Academy in New York City.  It's on 89th street Between Columbus and
Amsterdam.  If you want to learn how to ride...DON'T do it there.  It's
AWFUL.  I had Bunker Hill there only because I was still in High School. My
school was on 74th Street and Central Park West. It was very very convient. I
moved him when he put his foot through the floor.

As far as my personal trainer...I pay for her, she comes to my house once a
week, and we work for an hour (she usualy stays for an hour and a half) and
then during the week, I follow an exersice program she has layed out for me.
I pay her $70.00 per hour. I am a Computer Graphics Artist, and to be honest,
I CAN'T afford her..that is why I see her only once a week. BUT, it's my
health, the only body I have and if it means that I don't buy that shirt for
a week, I'll do it.  My problem is...I'm LAZY. All my life I have been
catered to, waited on hand and foot, and I've become conditioned to believe
that "someone else will take care of it." BAD theory...While dad is still
VERY VERY generousSubj:  Re:Bratty
Date:  96-09-22 19:12:11 edt
From:  BrattyBrat
Posted on:  America Online

WOOPS! While dad is still very very generous, he has so to speak thrown me to
the world.  He still pays for much of what I do, but when I find that apt.
I'm onmy own...(shudder) I've done it before though....
I myself, am poor as a church mouse.....Subj:  Re:Bratty
Date:  96-09-22 19:12:11 edt
From:  BrattyBrat
Posted on:  America Online

WOOPS! While dad is still very very generous, he has so to speak thrown me to
the world.  He still pays for much of what I do, but when I find that apt.
I'm onmy own...(shudder) I've done it before though....
I myself, am poor as a church mouse.....Subj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 19:46:07 edt
From:  JewelSea
Posted on:  America Online

<<  we leave clean clothes in the dryer until they are all gone and need to
be washed again. >>

Our clean clothes make it to the laundry basket (because I do so much laundry
I need the dryer!), but rarely to the dressers.  My 4- and 5-year-old know to
look in the basket when they get dressed in the morning!  Maybe I should use
the dresser for other storage!!!Subj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 19:46:07 edt
From:  JewelSea
Posted on:  America Online

<<  we leave clean clothes in the dryer until they are all gone and need to
be washed again. >>

Our clean clothes make it to the laundry basket (because I do so much laundry
I need the dryer!), but rarely to the dressers.  My 4- and 5-year-old know to
look in the basket when they get dressed in the morning!  Maybe I should use
the dresser for other storage!!!Subj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 19:52:54 edt
From:  JewelSea
Posted on:  America Online

<< Whoever said a clean house is a sign of a sick mind........is right!! >>

A sign of someone with nothing better to do!! LOL!Subj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty
Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 19:52:54 edt
From:  JewelSea
Posted on:  America Online

<< Whoever said a clean house is a sign of a sick mind........is right!! >>

A sign of someone with nothing better to do!! LOL!Subj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty
Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 19:54:42 edt
From:  JewelSea
Posted on:  America Online

<< Doesnt help my 2 year old needs to change her clothing 3-4 times a day!
little fashion plate! >>

And I warn you:  it won't get any better!!Subj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 19:54:42 edt
From:  JewelSea
Posted on:  America Online

<< Doesnt help my 2 year old needs to change her clothing 3-4 times a day!
little fashion plate! >>

And I warn you:  it won't get any better!!Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-22 20:00:11 edt
From:  JewelSea
Posted on:  America Online

LOL!!  You're talented; living up to your screen name??!!Subj:  Re:A few
thoughts
Date:  96-09-22 20:00:11 edt
From:  JewelSea
Posted on:  America Online

LOL!!  You're talented; living up to your screen name??!!Subj:  Re:divorce
Date:  96-09-22 20:33:17 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

I just have to say this (so feel free to jump on me)  but how can people be
married to eachother for 9 years without a single argument?  I find that hard
(no, IMPOSSIBLE)to believe and if it is true then I think there is some sort
of wierd dysfunction there.  Married people have too much intertwined and at
stake for there to be no disagreements....otherwise one person must be
totally submissive which is completely unhealthy IMHO.

AmySubj:  Re:divorce
Date:  96-09-22 20:33:17 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

I just have to say this (so feel free to jump on me)  but how can people be
married to eachother for 9 years without a single argument?  I find that hard
(no, IMPOSSIBLE)to believe and if it is true then I think there is some sort
of wierd dysfunction there.  Married people have too much intertwined and at
stake for there to be no disagreements....otherwise one person must be
totally submissive which is completely unhealthy IMHO.

AmySubj:  Re:Online hours
Date:  96-09-22 20:34:40 edt
From:  ONEWEEB
Posted on:  America Online

The remainder of the 20 hours you receive each month DO NOT carry over,
although if you get any credited hours, for whatever reason, the credited
hours do carry over.  If you use 8 1/2 or more hours per month, it is to your
benefit financially to stay on the 20/20 plan, even if you lose some of the
hours at the end of the month.  8 1/2 hours on the basic plan would cost you
approximately $20.28, while the same hours on the heavy users' plan would
only be $19.95.Subj:  Re:Online hours
Date:  96-09-22 20:34:40 edt
From:  ONEWEEB
Posted on:  America Online

The remainder of the 20 hours you receive each month DO NOT carry over,
although if you get any credited hours, for whatever reason, the credited
hours do carry over.  If you use 8 1/2 or more hours per month, it is to your
benefit financially to stay on the 20/20 plan, even if you lose some of the
hours at the end of the month.  8 1/2 hours on the basic plan would cost you
approximately $20.28, while the same hours on the heavy users' plan would
only be $19.95.Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-22 20:37:46 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

I don't even know what to make of that post.

As for native Americans (and you can call the indians if you are as stupid as
Columbus was) I am not exactly sure what your beef is with them?  Since the
US govt.  screws them over on a regular basis and has for the past 200 years
I think they are entitled to whatever they get.Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-22 20:37:46 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

I don't even know what to make of that post.

As for native Americans (and you can call the indians if you are as stupid as
Columbus was) I am not exactly sure what your beef is with them?  Since the
US govt.  screws them over on a regular basis and has for the past 200 years
I think they are entitled to whatever they get.Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-22 20:37:46 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

I don't even know what to make of that post.

As for native Americans (and you can call the indians if you are as stupid as
Columbus was) I am not exactly sure what your beef is with them?  Since the
US govt.  screws them over on a regular basis and has for the past 200 years
I think they are entitled to whatever they get.Subj:  Re:Online hours
Date:  96-09-22 20:53:13 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hey Ill take your hours if you cant use em!  LOL  :)Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-22 20:58:24 edt
From:  KaitlinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I enjoyed the screen name as well.  However, I think my 7 month old son could
have been more original at TRYING to start something.Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-22 20:58:24 edt
From:  KaitlinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I enjoyed the screen name as well.  However, I think my 7 month old son could
have been more original at TRYING to start something.Subj:
Re:thoughts/Native American
Date:  96-09-22 21:04:46 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Well the post was interesting, I think it was meant to amuse?

But with the Native Americans, think about how you would feel if someone came
stole your land and shoved you off to some reservation and told ya to deal
with it! Along the way not in trains but walking and not stopping to help the
wounded or dead,  pretty picture isnt it??  I always wondered how it wasnt
compaired in a slight way to the Nazis,  I mean anyone they didnt like they
stole their propery and shipped them off to be killed.
But I guess because it is the home of the free and land of the brave, we dont
have to answer to monster behaviors of our founding fathers!  This part of
history is breezed over in most general history classes!
The same reasons in Germany they are taught Nazi camps were the over active
imagination of the Jews!    Talk about delussional thoughts!    Who ever
writes the history gets to put their own slant on it!
Like in many history related books, [bible et all]  oh did I say that!Subj:
Re:thoughts/Native American
Date:  96-09-22 21:04:46 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Well the post was interesting, I think it was meant to amuse?

But with the Native Americans, think about how you would feel if someone came
stole your land and shoved you off to some reservation and told ya to deal
with it! Along the way not in trains but walking and not stopping to help the
wounded or dead,  pretty picture isnt it??  I always wondered how it wasnt
compaired in a slight way to the Nazis,  I mean anyone they didnt like they
stole their propery and shipped them off to be killed.
But I guess because it is the home of the free and land of the brave, we dont
have to answer to monster behaviors of our founding fathers!  This part of
history is breezed over in most general history classes!
The same reasons in Germany they are taught Nazi camps were the over active
imagination of the Jews!    Talk about delussional thoughts!    Who ever
writes the history gets to put their own slant on it!
Like in many history related books, [bible et all]  oh did I say that!Subj:
Re:thoughts/Native American
Date:  96-09-22 21:07:27 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

<<<<Personally I think they should send them back to wherever they came from
! >>>

So when are you moving?Subj:  back where we came from LOL!
Date:  96-09-22 21:14:24 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

Sillyone TOUCHE....

Really I guess MY relatives came from Germany and England...I guess I will be
buying a plane ticket tomorrow.

I believe they are where they came from....except we took the choicest spots.

I really hope that original post was completely joking....Subj:  back where
we came from LOL!
Date:  96-09-22 21:14:24 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

Sillyone TOUCHE....

Really I guess MY relatives came from Germany and England...I guess I will be
buying a plane ticket tomorrow.

I believe they are where they came from....except we took the choicest spots.

I really hope that original post was completely joking....Subj:  back where
we came from LOL!
Date:  96-09-22 21:14:24 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

Sillyone TOUCHE....

Really I guess MY relatives came from Germany and England...I guess I will be
buying a plane ticket tomorrow.

I believe they are where they came from....except we took the choicest spots.

I really hope that original post was completely joking....Subj:  Re:{{Lisa}}
PMS
Date:  96-09-22 21:24:08 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

I CAN'T take BC pills, they make me absolutely insane. >>>>>>

Me too, although I didn't know it until dh and I separated, and I decided
that I didn't want to take them anymore.  I felt like a whole new person,
with a sex drive.Subj:  Re:{{Lisa}}  PMS
Date:  96-09-22 21:24:08 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

I CAN'T take BC pills, they make me absolutely insane. >>>>>>

Me too, although I didn't know it until dh and I separated, and I decided
that I didn't want to take them anymore.  I felt like a whole new person,
with a sex drive.Subj:  Re:Jews and homosexuals
Date:  96-09-22 21:29:50 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

So don't blame the Jews!>>>>>>>>>>>

Honestly, I don't believe we were. We were blaming the old testament, not a
group of people.Subj:  Re:Jews and homosexuals
Date:  96-09-22 21:29:50 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

So don't blame the Jews!>>>>>>>>>>>

Honestly, I don't believe we were. We were blaming the old testament, not a
group of people.Subj:  Re:thoughts/Native American
Date:  96-09-22 21:33:05 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I may be wrong here-But I think she was kidding.  You know, like how ignorant
people say stuff like that?  Maybe I'm wrong...

KerrySubj:  Re:thoughts/Native American
Date:  96-09-22 21:33:05 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I may be wrong here-But I think she was kidding.  You know, like how ignorant
people say stuff like that?  Maybe I'm wrong...

KerrySubj:  to Amymer and sillyonec
Date:  96-09-22 21:48:30 edt
From:  Ksteinken
Posted on:  America Online

Please don't worry about the post "a few thoughts' and its comments about
native americans!  The whole post is clearly a joke -- it brings up many of
the recent debates on these boards (walmart, tattoos, etc.).  Also, check out
the poster's screen name -- she's "here to p--- you off!"

As I read it, the post is not even poking fun at native americans -- but at
anyone who would be ignorant enough to say they should go back to where they
came from.

KarenSubj:  to Amymer and sillyonec
Date:  96-09-22 21:48:30 edt
From:  Ksteinken
Posted on:  America Online

Please don't worry about the post "a few thoughts' and its comments about
native americans!  The whole post is clearly a joke -- it brings up many of
the recent debates on these boards (walmart, tattoos, etc.).  Also, check out
the poster's screen name -- she's "here to p--- you off!"

As I read it, the post is not even poking fun at native americans -- but at
anyone who would be ignorant enough to say they should go back to where they
came from.

KarenSubj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 22:28:57 edt
From:  RAKlem
Posted on:  America Online

I hate emptying the dishwasher so much that I pay my 9 yr old $.50 per time
to do it for me.  Yes, bribery works!!!Subj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 22:28:57 edt
From:  RAKlem
Posted on:  America Online

I hate emptying the dishwasher so much that I pay my 9 yr old $.50 per time
to do it for me.  Yes, bribery works!!!Subj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 22:28:57 edt
From:  RAKlem
Posted on:  America Online

I hate emptying the dishwasher so much that I pay my 9 yr old $.50 per time
to do it for me.  Yes, bribery works!!!Subj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-22 22:28:57 edt
From:  RAKlem
Posted on:  America Online

I hate emptying the dishwasher so much that I pay my 9 yr old $.50 per time
to do it for me.  Yes, bribery works!!!Subj:   Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laundry
Date:  96-09-22 23:10:16 edt
From:  BecaFletch
Posted on:  America Online

<<we leave clean clothes in the dryer until they are all gone and need to be
washed again.  Sad but true>>

Ever heard of Jabba the Hut from Star Wars?  Well folks, Jabba The Laundry
Pile lives in my basement!  No joke - anyone have a light saber I can
borrow???Subj:   Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laundry
Date:  96-09-22 23:10:16 edt
From:  BecaFletch
Posted on:  America Online

<<we leave clean clothes in the dryer until they are all gone and need to be
washed again.  Sad but true>>

Ever heard of Jabba the Hut from Star Wars?  Well folks, Jabba The Laundry
Pile lives in my basement!  No joke - anyone have a light saber I can
borrow???Subj:   Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laundry
Date:  96-09-22 23:10:16 edt
From:  BecaFletch
Posted on:  America Online

<<we leave clean clothes in the dryer until they are all gone and need to be
washed again.  Sad but true>>

Ever heard of Jabba the Hut from Star Wars?  Well folks, Jabba The Laundry
Pile lives in my basement!  No joke - anyone have a light saber I can
borrow???Subj:   Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laundry
Date:  96-09-22 23:10:16 edt
From:  BecaFletch
Posted on:  America Online

<<we leave clean clothes in the dryer until they are all gone and need to be
washed again.  Sad but true>>

Ever heard of Jabba the Hut from Star Wars?  Well folks, Jabba The Laundry
Pile lives in my basement!  No joke - anyone have a light saber I can
borrow???Subj:   Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laundry
Date:  96-09-22 23:10:16 edt
From:  BecaFletch
Posted on:  America Online

<<we leave clean clothes in the dryer until they are all gone and need to be
washed again.  Sad but true>>

Ever heard of Jabba the Hut from Star Wars?  Well folks, Jabba The Laundry
Pile lives in my basement!  No joke - anyone have a light saber I can
borrow???Subj:  Daring a chat invitation :)
Date:  96-09-22 23:44:52 edt
From:  MOMS Lita
Posted on:  America Online

Hello everyone!  I'm going to *dare* to post an invitation to my chat because
there has been quite a bit of discussion on this board regarding alcoholism.
I would love to have any of you join us!

I would like to invite you to join me in the topic chat room for the Families
of Chemically Dependent People chat on Monday, September 23 at 4pm EST.

This is a forum where families of people with substance abuse problems can
come to support, encourage, and provide information for each other.  Whether
your loved one is still having problems or is in recovery, your input,
experience, and suggestions are very welcome!  I hope you will join us!

MOMS LitaSubj:  Daring a chat invitation :)
Date:  96-09-22 23:44:52 edt
From:  MOMS Lita
Posted on:  America Online

Hello everyone!  I'm going to *dare* to post an invitation to my chat because
there has been quite a bit of discussion on this board regarding alcoholism.
I would love to have any of you join us!

I would like to invite you to join me in the topic chat room for the Families
of Chemically Dependent People chat on Monday, September 23 at 4pm EST.

This is a forum where families of people with substance abuse problems can
come to support, encourage, and provide information for each other.  Whether
your loved one is still having problems or is in recovery, your input,
experience, and suggestions are very welcome!  I hope you will join us!

MOMS LitaSubj:  Daring a chat invitation :)
Date:  96-09-22 23:44:52 edt
From:  MOMS Lita
Posted on:  America Online

Hello everyone!  I'm going to *dare* to post an invitation to my chat because
there has been quite a bit of discussion on this board regarding alcoholism.
I would love to have any of you join us!

I would like to invite you to join me in the topic chat room for the Families
of Chemically Dependent People chat on Monday, September 23 at 4pm EST.

This is a forum where families of people with substance abuse problems can
come to support, encourage, and provide information for each other.  Whether
your loved one is still having problems or is in recovery, your input,
experience, and suggestions are very welcome!  I hope you will join us!

MOMS LitaSubj:  Re:Daring a chat invitation
Date:  96-09-22 23:52:13 edt
From:  TxTwisterr
Posted on:  America Online

Lita,

What a great idea for a chat! I'll try my best to be there!

ShanSubj:  Re:Daring a chat invitation
Date:  96-09-22 23:52:13 edt
From:  TxTwisterr
Posted on:  America Online

Lita,

What a great idea for a chat! I'll try my best to be there!

ShanSubj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-23 02:42:21 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Ironic to me that this was posted this week...Dh  watched our 21 mo. (who is
getting his incisors, poor guy, and is very cranky) while I attended my mom's
club meeting tuesday evening.  While I was gone (a WHOLE 2 1/2 hours for the
first time in weeks) dh and son took a shower, and did not have towels when
they got out (as I am usually the "bringer of the towels") which was bad
enough, but then dh had to go into garage to find them!  THEN, he had to go
to the garage to get more diapers as "someone" had not re-stocked the shelf.
THEN, when he went to son's drawer and found no clean jammies, well, it was
back to the garage a *second* time (how awful) to dig through baskets for
jammies.  Finally, dh had our son clean and dressed and went to get him
something to drink and, can you believe it, all of the tippy cups were in the
dishwasher, covered with *dried* soap (as son loves to shut d/w off
mid-cycle)  and dh had to HAND wash a cup!!!!

I know, you are all horrified that I would come into this public forum and
reveal what a terrible and awful mommy (and wife) I am, but they say
confession is good for the soul!  :)

Seriously, though, dh was seriously upset with me about me "not doing my job"
and wondering "what do you do all day?  Obviously not your chores" (these are
two direct quotes)!!!!!!!!!  And I had come home feeling pretty great about
myself for volunteering for the least popular board position in the club
(community services coordinator i.e. the mom that asks other moms for
donations of time, skills, money, clothes, etc. for the community).   Wow,
got the wind knocked right out of my sails.  Needless to say, that was NOT a
fun night!!

The next day I made a point of playing June Cleaver for a day and dh came
home to a spotless house, all the laundry was done and put away, the grocery
shopping was done, my son and I were looking great and I had a good dinner
underway.  Of course, since I had devoted my day to the house, instead of my
teething toddler, he was a little bear and very grouchy.  Dh wanted to know
what I could do about it, as HE had had a tough day!!!!!! An argument then
began, which escalated to whose job was more difficult!!!!

So, we debated the physical energy expended during my day of domestic
engineering, as well as the emotional energy caring for our son, vs. dh's
mental energy expended as a manager and dealing with one stressful situation
after another, while I can just stay at home and play with our son (yeah, we
get a blast out of playing let's clean the toilet!!)  Well, I felt totally
pi**ed by then and just quit talking about anything.  Finished preparing
dinner, which I ate cold, as our son did not want to eat (or stay in the room
while we did!!)  and I was running after him.  Dh fell asleep  watching t.v.
about 9:00 pm and I stayed up until 11:30 pm with an irritable teether.

It's been *cool* around here all week!!!  And, I doubt we'll EVER see eye to
eye on this because, while MIL never was much for playdough, storytime or the
park, she had an IMMACULATE house (ironed her sheets and still does) and made
HUGE meals (half a dead animal, mashed potatoes floating in butter, you know
the standards from "Kill Your Family With Cholesterol Cookbook") and NEVER,
EVER complained!!!!  I, on the other hand, had a mom that let us make forts
out of the couch, let us make Pillsbury slice & bakes for school bake sales,
let us make "volcanoes" from paper mache and vinegar and baking soda, took us
to the library every few days and let us get as many books as we could carry
(includingthe time we insisted taking our wagon).  Though she always kept us
clean and well groomed, I know there were days when the shopping, laundry or
dusting slid and that was fine, because we were too happy to notice!!!

Thanks, AS ALWAYS, for letting me VENT!!!!!!!!Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty
Laund
Date:  96-09-23 02:42:21 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Ironic to me that this was posted this week...Dh  watched our 21 mo. (who is
getting his incisors, poor guy, and is very cranky) while I attended my mom's
club meeting tuesday evening.  While I was gone (a WHOLE 2 1/2 hours for the
first time in weeks) dh and son took a shower, and did not have towels when
they got out (as I am usually the "bringer of the towels") which was bad
enough, but then dh had to go into garage to find them!  THEN, he had to go
to the garage to get more diapers as "someone" had not re-stocked the shelf.
THEN, when he went to son's drawer and found no clean jammies, well, it was
back to the garage a *second* time (how awful) to dig through baskets for
jammies.  Finally, dh had our son clean and dressed and went to get him
something to drink and, can you believe it, all of the tippy cups were in the
dishwasher, covered with *dried* soap (as son loves to shut d/w off
mid-cycle)  and dh had to HAND wash a cup!!!!

I know, you are all horrified that I would come into this public forum and
reveal what a terrible and awful mommy (and wife) I am, but they say
confession is good for the soul!  :)

Seriously, though, dh was seriously upset with me about me "not doing my job"
and wondering "what do you do all day?  Obviously not your chores" (these are
two direct quotes)!!!!!!!!!  And I had come home feeling pretty great about
myself for volunteering for the least popular board position in the club
(community services coordinator i.e. the mom that asks other moms for
donations of time, skills, money, clothes, etc. for the community).   Wow,
got the wind knocked right out of my sails.  Needless to say, that was NOT a
fun night!!

The next day I made a point of playing June Cleaver for a day and dh came
home to a spotless house, all the laundry was done and put away, the grocery
shopping was done, my son and I were looking great and I had a good dinner
underway.  Of course, since I had devoted my day to the house, instead of my
teething toddler, he was a little bear and very grouchy.  Dh wanted to know
what I could do about it, as HE had had a tough day!!!!!! An argument then
began, which escalated to whose job was more difficult!!!!

So, we debated the physical energy expended during my day of domestic
engineering, as well as the emotional energy caring for our son, vs. dh's
mental energy expended as a manager and dealing with one stressful situation
after another, while I can just stay at home and play with our son (yeah, we
get a blast out of playing let's clean the toilet!!)  Well, I felt totally
pi**ed by then and just quit talking about anything.  Finished preparing
dinner, which I ate cold, as our son did not want to eat (or stay in the room
while we did!!)  and I was running after him.  Dh fell asleep  watching t.v.
about 9:00 pm and I stayed up until 11:30 pm with an irritable teether.

It's been *cool* around here all week!!!  And, I doubt we'll EVER see eye to
eye on this because, while MIL never was much for playdough, storytime or the
park, she had an IMMACULATE house (ironed her sheets and still does) and made
HUGE meals (half a dead animal, mashed potatoes floating in butter, you know
the standards from "Kill Your Family With Cholesterol Cookbook") and NEVER,
EVER complained!!!!  I, on the other hand, had a mom that let us make forts
out of the couch, let us make Pillsbury slice & bakes for school bake sales,
let us make "volcanoes" from paper mache and vinegar and baking soda, took us
to the library every few days and let us get as many books as we could carry
(includingthe time we insisted taking our wagon).  Though she always kept us
clean and well groomed, I know there were days when the shopping, laundry or
dusting slid and that was fine, because we were too happy to notice!!!

Thanks, AS ALWAYS, for letting me VENT!!!!!!!!Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty
Laund
Date:  96-09-23 02:42:21 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Ironic to me that this was posted this week...Dh  watched our 21 mo. (who is
getting his incisors, poor guy, and is very cranky) while I attended my mom's
club meeting tuesday evening.  While I was gone (a WHOLE 2 1/2 hours for the
first time in weeks) dh and son took a shower, and did not have towels when
they got out (as I am usually the "bringer of the towels") which was bad
enough, but then dh had to go into garage to find them!  THEN, he had to go
to the garage to get more diapers as "someone" had not re-stocked the shelf.
THEN, when he went to son's drawer and found no clean jammies, well, it was
back to the garage a *second* time (how awful) to dig through baskets for
jammies.  Finally, dh had our son clean and dressed and went to get him
something to drink and, can you believe it, all of the tippy cups were in the
dishwasher, covered with *dried* soap (as son loves to shut d/w off
mid-cycle)  and dh had to HAND wash a cup!!!!

I know, you are all horrified that I would come into this public forum and
reveal what a terrible and awful mommy (and wife) I am, but they say
confession is good for the soul!  :)

Seriously, though, dh was seriously upset with me about me "not doing my job"
and wondering "what do you do all day?  Obviously not your chores" (these are
two direct quotes)!!!!!!!!!  And I had come home feeling pretty great about
myself for volunteering for the least popular board position in the club
(community services coordinator i.e. the mom that asks other moms for
donations of time, skills, money, clothes, etc. for the community).   Wow,
got the wind knocked right out of my sails.  Needless to say, that was NOT a
fun night!!

The next day I made a point of playing June Cleaver for a day and dh came
home to a spotless house, all the laundry was done and put away, the grocery
shopping was done, my son and I were looking great and I had a good dinner
underway.  Of course, since I had devoted my day to the house, instead of my
teething toddler, he was a little bear and very grouchy.  Dh wanted to know
what I could do about it, as HE had had a tough day!!!!!! An argument then
began, which escalated to whose job was more difficult!!!!

So, we debated the physical energy expended during my day of domestic
engineering, as well as the emotional energy caring for our son, vs. dh's
mental energy expended as a manager and dealing with one stressful situation
after another, while I can just stay at home and play with our son (yeah, we
get a blast out of playing let's clean the toilet!!)  Well, I felt totally
pi**ed by then and just quit talking about anything.  Finished preparing
dinner, which I ate cold, as our son did not want to eat (or stay in the room
while we did!!)  and I was running after him.  Dh fell asleep  watching t.v.
about 9:00 pm and I stayed up until 11:30 pm with an irritable teether.

It's been *cool* around here all week!!!  And, I doubt we'll EVER see eye to
eye on this because, while MIL never was much for playdough, storytime or the
park, she had an IMMACULATE house (ironed her sheets and still does) and made
HUGE meals (half a dead animal, mashed potatoes floating in butter, you know
the standards from "Kill Your Family With Cholesterol Cookbook") and NEVER,
EVER complained!!!!  I, on the other hand, had a mom that let us make forts
out of the couch, let us make Pillsbury slice & bakes for school bake sales,
let us make "volcanoes" from paper mache and vinegar and baking soda, took us
to the library every few days and let us get as many books as we could carry
(includingthe time we insisted taking our wagon).  Though she always kept us
clean and well groomed, I know there were days when the shopping, laundry or
dusting slid and that was fine, because we were too happy to notice!!!

Thanks, AS ALWAYS, for letting me VENT!!!!!!!!Subj:  KSteiken
Date:  96-09-23 02:44:13 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Karen, Glad to see you, too, saw the humor in the "Few thoughts" post.  Was
starting to wonder if there was something wrong with me, as I found it very
humorous!!  Subj:  KSteiken
Date:  96-09-23 02:44:13 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Karen, Glad to see you, too, saw the humor in the "Few thoughts" post.  Was
starting to wonder if there was something wrong with me, as I found it very
humorous!!  Subj:  Castration
Date:  96-09-23 02:51:18 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

GSusanJ posted that this would be cruel and unusual punishment.  I have to
disagree and say that I think that anyone that is the victim of a sex crime
has been treated very cruelly and unusually and that the perpetrator of the
crime deserves the absolute maximum punishment possible for this type of
crime.

To those of you minimizing the sexual nature of the crime of rape, I think
this is a dangerous thing to do.  Date rape is frequently the result, at
least in part, of sexual desire.  I doubt that a drunken male at a fraternity
would be nearly as likely to not "hear" the no of his victim, if he knew he
could lose his testicles as a result.

Lastly, I am all for the most stringent and strict punishments for sex
offenders, particularly those that prey on children.  Personally, I do not
feel that they should be given a second chance.  They have given up their
rights as soon as they take away those of another.  I would wholeheartedly
support life in prison for those prosecuted, and even the death penalty in
many cases, such as sexual predators.Subj:  Castration
Date:  96-09-23 02:51:18 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

GSusanJ posted that this would be cruel and unusual punishment.  I have to
disagree and say that I think that anyone that is the victim of a sex crime
has been treated very cruelly and unusually and that the perpetrator of the
crime deserves the absolute maximum punishment possible for this type of
crime.

To those of you minimizing the sexual nature of the crime of rape, I think
this is a dangerous thing to do.  Date rape is frequently the result, at
least in part, of sexual desire.  I doubt that a drunken male at a fraternity
would be nearly as likely to not "hear" the no of his victim, if he knew he
could lose his testicles as a result.

Lastly, I am all for the most stringent and strict punishments for sex
offenders, particularly those that prey on children.  Personally, I do not
feel that they should be given a second chance.  They have given up their
rights as soon as they take away those of another.  I would wholeheartedly
support life in prison for those prosecuted, and even the death penalty in
many cases, such as sexual predators.Subj:  Re:PMS
Date:  96-09-23 07:40:00 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Well, it's Monday and I managed to get through the weekend with my pms - dh
and the kids somehow survived, althogh I did have a major fit yesterday.  Oh,
well.  I apologized and all is well.

Thanks for the great advice.  For theperson who mentioend the B vitamins -
I'm going to locate your post and start taking them this week.  Thanks for
the dosage.  And for those who mentioned that the pill made 'em
nuts...well....another baby would put me over the edge LOL!  This is the best
method of bc for us since we're both so lazy about it!

Thanks again for the words of wisdom and for the stories helping me know I'm
not *completely* nutso!

LisaSubj:  Re:PMS
Date:  96-09-23 07:40:00 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Well, it's Monday and I managed to get through the weekend with my pms - dh
and the kids somehow survived, althogh I did have a major fit yesterday.  Oh,
well.  I apologized and all is well.

Thanks for the great advice.  For theperson who mentioend the B vitamins -
I'm going to locate your post and start taking them this week.  Thanks for
the dosage.  And for those who mentioned that the pill made 'em
nuts...well....another baby would put me over the edge LOL!  This is the best
method of bc for us since we're both so lazy about it!

Thanks again for the words of wisdom and for the stories helping me know I'm
not *completely* nutso!

LisaSubj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-23 07:42:01 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Luv, I don't know how you do it.  Frankly, maybe dh has gotten too used to
being waited on?  I think you should step back in your "duties" a bit and let
*him* do some of the chores around teh house.  I've no problem having dh wash
a dish or something;, even if I am home all day.  I have to plan on making
dinner in the am when our 1yo is complacent, or else we don't get a good
dinner.  Just try and make a good dinner with a toddler running around at
4pm!

Anyway, just wanted to convey a few words of compassion.  You're right in
this situation - you're NOT a slave and do your best!  Congrats on the
volunteering job.  Sorry dh brought you down. Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty
Laund
Date:  96-09-23 07:42:01 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Luv, I don't know how you do it.  Frankly, maybe dh has gotten too used to
being waited on?  I think you should step back in your "duties" a bit and let
*him* do some of the chores around teh house.  I've no problem having dh wash
a dish or something;, even if I am home all day.  I have to plan on making
dinner in the am when our 1yo is complacent, or else we don't get a good
dinner.  Just try and make a good dinner with a toddler running around at
4pm!

Anyway, just wanted to convey a few words of compassion.  You're right in
this situation - you're NOT a slave and do your best!  Congrats on the
volunteering job.  Sorry dh brought you down. Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty
Laund
Date:  96-09-23 07:42:01 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Luv, I don't know how you do it.  Frankly, maybe dh has gotten too used to
being waited on?  I think you should step back in your "duties" a bit and let
*him* do some of the chores around teh house.  I've no problem having dh wash
a dish or something;, even if I am home all day.  I have to plan on making
dinner in the am when our 1yo is complacent, or else we don't get a good
dinner.  Just try and make a good dinner with a toddler running around at
4pm!

Anyway, just wanted to convey a few words of compassion.  You're right in
this situation - you're NOT a slave and do your best!  Congrats on the
volunteering job.  Sorry dh brought you down. Subj:  Re:A few thoughts/AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 08:32:59 edt
From:  Gwenedd
Posted on:  America Online

Dear, that post was meant to be a huge joke, I wouldn't take it personally if
I were you.Subj:  Re:A few thoughts/AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 08:32:59 edt
From:  Gwenedd
Posted on:  America Online

Dear, that post was meant to be a huge joke, I wouldn't take it personally if
I were you.Subj:  Re:A few thoughts/AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 08:32:59 edt
From:  Gwenedd
Posted on:  America Online

Dear, that post was meant to be a huge joke, I wouldn't take it personally if
I were you.Subj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-23 09:08:00 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

<<<Anyway, I read this, and I believe it -- I stand at the sink washing my
hands while everyone else around me walzes out filthy.  I used towels to open
the door when I leave.>>>

              LOL... so do I!  :)  One of these days I'm gonna say something
to one of these
               non washers!!  :)  Anyone have a good line I could use!  LOL!
:)

              Subj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-23 09:08:00 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

<<<Anyway, I read this, and I believe it -- I stand at the sink washing my
hands while everyone else around me walzes out filthy.  I used towels to open
the door when I leave.>>>

              LOL... so do I!  :)  One of these days I'm gonna say something
to one of these
               non washers!!  :)  Anyone have a good line I could use!  LOL!
:)

              Subj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-23 09:08:00 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

<<<Anyway, I read this, and I believe it -- I stand at the sink washing my
hands while everyone else around me walzes out filthy.  I used towels to open
the door when I leave.>>>

              LOL... so do I!  :)  One of these days I'm gonna say something
to one of these
               non washers!!  :)  Anyone have a good line I could use!  LOL!
:)

              Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-23 09:09:43 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<The next day I made a point of playing June Cleaver for a day and dh came
home to a spotless house, all the laundry was done and put away, the grocery
shopping was done, my son and I were looking great and I had a good dinner
underway.  Of course, since I had devoted my day to the house, <<

This is probably not going to go over very well but.......
I am a SAHM and to be perfectly honest it is my *job* to make sure the
household *chores* are done.   How can you expect your husband to come home
and the house be a wreck after he worked all day.  I would ask the same
question he asked you.  It would be different if you both worked outside the
home.  Then I can understand the *chores* being split 50/50.

Don't get me wrong my husband helps out actually quite abit but I would never
expect him to do what I certainly have time to do during the day.  And
keeping your house clean should not take all day if you keep up with it on a
regular basis.

My house comes 2nd to my children.  It is pretty much always clean and I
wouldn't mind at anytime if anyone walked in I could never be *embarassed* by
the condition of it.  And by keeping it clean never has taken away time from
the children.  I also volunteer on a regular basis in school.  I take one
class a week a night.   It is all about being organized.  If the house is
clean before you go to bed,  meaning laundry put away, dishes emptied out of
the dishwasher etc......it makes the next day so easy.

As far as the arguement with your husband the when he was watching your son
and nothing could be found.  He had a point.......Subj:  Re: Dirty
Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-23 09:09:43 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<The next day I made a point of playing June Cleaver for a day and dh came
home to a spotless house, all the laundry was done and put away, the grocery
shopping was done, my son and I were looking great and I had a good dinner
underway.  Of course, since I had devoted my day to the house, <<

This is probably not going to go over very well but.......
I am a SAHM and to be perfectly honest it is my *job* to make sure the
household *chores* are done.   How can you expect your husband to come home
and the house be a wreck after he worked all day.  I would ask the same
question he asked you.  It would be different if you both worked outside the
home.  Then I can understand the *chores* being split 50/50.

Don't get me wrong my husband helps out actually quite abit but I would never
expect him to do what I certainly have time to do during the day.  And
keeping your house clean should not take all day if you keep up with it on a
regular basis.

My house comes 2nd to my children.  It is pretty much always clean and I
wouldn't mind at anytime if anyone walked in I could never be *embarassed* by
the condition of it.  And by keeping it clean never has taken away time from
the children.  I also volunteer on a regular basis in school.  I take one
class a week a night.   It is all about being organized.  If the house is
clean before you go to bed,  meaning laundry put away, dishes emptied out of
the dishwasher etc......it makes the next day so easy.

As far as the arguement with your husband the when he was watching your son
and nothing could be found.  He had a point.......Subj:  Re: Dirty
Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-23 09:09:43 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<The next day I made a point of playing June Cleaver for a day and dh came
home to a spotless house, all the laundry was done and put away, the grocery
shopping was done, my son and I were looking great and I had a good dinner
underway.  Of course, since I had devoted my day to the house, <<

This is probably not going to go over very well but.......
I am a SAHM and to be perfectly honest it is my *job* to make sure the
household *chores* are done.   How can you expect your husband to come home
and the house be a wreck after he worked all day.  I would ask the same
question he asked you.  It would be different if you both worked outside the
home.  Then I can understand the *chores* being split 50/50.

Don't get me wrong my husband helps out actually quite abit but I would never
expect him to do what I certainly have time to do during the day.  And
keeping your house clean should not take all day if you keep up with it on a
regular basis.

My house comes 2nd to my children.  It is pretty much always clean and I
wouldn't mind at anytime if anyone walked in I could never be *embarassed* by
the condition of it.  And by keeping it clean never has taken away time from
the children.  I also volunteer on a regular basis in school.  I take one
class a week a night.   It is all about being organized.  If the house is
clean before you go to bed,  meaning laundry put away, dishes emptied out of
the dishwasher etc......it makes the next day so easy.

As far as the arguement with your husband the when he was watching your son
and nothing could be found.  He had a point.......Subj:  Re: Dirty
Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-23 09:09:43 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<The next day I made a point of playing June Cleaver for a day and dh came
home to a spotless house, all the laundry was done and put away, the grocery
shopping was done, my son and I were looking great and I had a good dinner
underway.  Of course, since I had devoted my day to the house, <<

This is probably not going to go over very well but.......
I am a SAHM and to be perfectly honest it is my *job* to make sure the
household *chores* are done.   How can you expect your husband to come home
and the house be a wreck after he worked all day.  I would ask the same
question he asked you.  It would be different if you both worked outside the
home.  Then I can understand the *chores* being split 50/50.

Don't get me wrong my husband helps out actually quite abit but I would never
expect him to do what I certainly have time to do during the day.  And
keeping your house clean should not take all day if you keep up with it on a
regular basis.

My house comes 2nd to my children.  It is pretty much always clean and I
wouldn't mind at anytime if anyone walked in I could never be *embarassed* by
the condition of it.  And by keeping it clean never has taken away time from
the children.  I also volunteer on a regular basis in school.  I take one
class a week a night.   It is all about being organized.  If the house is
clean before you go to bed,  meaning laundry put away, dishes emptied out of
the dishwasher etc......it makes the next day so easy.

As far as the arguement with your husband the when he was watching your son
and nothing could be found.  He had a point.......Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 09:13:08 edt
From:  MOMS Judy
Posted on:  America Online

 Hi folks. Just a word: I left up the "few thoughts" post because it clearly
seemed to be satire. But then, as we all know, Moms Judy may have a warped
sense of humor.

In any case, it wasn't vulgar, so I left it up. Just wanted you to know that
I agonized over the decision for a full three minutes before tossing the coin
in favor of the satire....:)

I have a question for you, though. Do you think that gal's screen name is
offensive?(or funny) It was the screen name that gave me pause more than the
post. What say you?
Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 09:13:08 edt
From:  MOMS Judy
Posted on:  America Online

 Hi folks. Just a word: I left up the "few thoughts" post because it clearly
seemed to be satire. But then, as we all know, Moms Judy may have a warped
sense of humor.

In any case, it wasn't vulgar, so I left it up. Just wanted you to know that
I agonized over the decision for a full three minutes before tossing the coin
in favor of the satire....:)

I have a question for you, though. Do you think that gal's screen name is
offensive?(or funny) It was the screen name that gave me pause more than the
post. What say you?
Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 09:13:08 edt
From:  MOMS Judy
Posted on:  America Online

 Hi folks. Just a word: I left up the "few thoughts" post because it clearly
seemed to be satire. But then, as we all know, Moms Judy may have a warped
sense of humor.

In any case, it wasn't vulgar, so I left it up. Just wanted you to know that
I agonized over the decision for a full three minutes before tossing the coin
in favor of the satire....:)

I have a question for you, though. Do you think that gal's screen name is
offensive?(or funny) It was the screen name that gave me pause more than the
post. What say you?
Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 09:13:08 edt
From:  MOMS Judy
Posted on:  America Online

 Hi folks. Just a word: I left up the "few thoughts" post because it clearly
seemed to be satire. But then, as we all know, Moms Judy may have a warped
sense of humor.

In any case, it wasn't vulgar, so I left it up. Just wanted you to know that
I agonized over the decision for a full three minutes before tossing the coin
in favor of the satire....:)

I have a question for you, though. Do you think that gal's screen name is
offensive?(or funny) It was the screen name that gave me pause more than the
post. What say you?
Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 09:21:52 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

 Hi folks. Just a word: I left up the "few thoughts" post because it clearly
seemed to be satire. But then, as we all know, Moms Judy may have a warped
sense of humor.

In any case, it wasn't vulgar, so I left it up. Just wanted you to know that
I agonized over the decision for a full three minutes before tossing the coin
in favor of the satire....:)

I have a question for you, though. Do you think that gal's screen name is
offensive?(or funny) It was the screen name that gave me pause more than the
post. What say you?>>>>>


             I thought the whole thing...screen name and all was hillarious!!

                  I was LOLPIMP......  glad it was left up!  But I have a
good sense of humor
                  and I don't take everything so seriously.... I'm happier
that way!  :)  if it were
                  truely offensive then yes she would have lived up to her
screen name, but
                  she amused me and didn't pi** me off...  Subj:  Re:A few
thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 09:21:52 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

 Hi folks. Just a word: I left up the "few thoughts" post because it clearly
seemed to be satire. But then, as we all know, Moms Judy may have a warped
sense of humor.

In any case, it wasn't vulgar, so I left it up. Just wanted you to know that
I agonized over the decision for a full three minutes before tossing the coin
in favor of the satire....:)

I have a question for you, though. Do you think that gal's screen name is
offensive?(or funny) It was the screen name that gave me pause more than the
post. What say you?>>>>>


             I thought the whole thing...screen name and all was hillarious!!

                  I was LOLPIMP......  glad it was left up!  But I have a
good sense of humor
                  and I don't take everything so seriously.... I'm happier
that way!  :)  if it were
                  truely offensive then yes she would have lived up to her
screen name, but
                  she amused me and didn't pi** me off...  Subj:  Re:A few
thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 09:21:52 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

 Hi folks. Just a word: I left up the "few thoughts" post because it clearly
seemed to be satire. But then, as we all know, Moms Judy may have a warped
sense of humor.

In any case, it wasn't vulgar, so I left it up. Just wanted you to know that
I agonized over the decision for a full three minutes before tossing the coin
in favor of the satire....:)

I have a question for you, though. Do you think that gal's screen name is
offensive?(or funny) It was the screen name that gave me pause more than the
post. What say you?>>>>>


             I thought the whole thing...screen name and all was hillarious!!

                  I was LOLPIMP......  glad it was left up!  But I have a
good sense of humor
                  and I don't take everything so seriously.... I'm happier
that way!  :)  if it were
                  truely offensive then yes she would have lived up to her
screen name, but
                  she amused me and didn't pi** me off...  Subj:  Re:A few
thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 09:21:52 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

 Hi folks. Just a word: I left up the "few thoughts" post because it clearly
seemed to be satire. But then, as we all know, Moms Judy may have a warped
sense of humor.

In any case, it wasn't vulgar, so I left it up. Just wanted you to know that
I agonized over the decision for a full three minutes before tossing the coin
in favor of the satire....:)

I have a question for you, though. Do you think that gal's screen name is
offensive?(or funny) It was the screen name that gave me pause more than the
post. What say you?>>>>>


             I thought the whole thing...screen name and all was hillarious!!

                  I was LOLPIMP......  glad it was left up!  But I have a
good sense of humor
                  and I don't take everything so seriously.... I'm happier
that way!  :)  if it were
                  truely offensive then yes she would have lived up to her
screen name, but
                  she amused me and didn't pi** me off...  Subj:  Re:non hand
washing
Date:  96-09-23 09:35:47 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

For people who don't wash-run after them and say, "I'm sorry, you forgot to
wash your hands!"  kind of the same way you'd say you left your purse on the
sink.

KerrySubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 09:35:47 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

For people who don't wash-run after them and say, "I'm sorry, you forgot to
wash your hands!"  kind of the same way you'd say you left your purse on the
sink.

KerrySubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 09:35:47 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

For people who don't wash-run after them and say, "I'm sorry, you forgot to
wash your hands!"  kind of the same way you'd say you left your purse on the
sink.

KerrySubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 09:35:47 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

For people who don't wash-run after them and say, "I'm sorry, you forgot to
wash your hands!"  kind of the same way you'd say you left your purse on the
sink.

KerrySubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 09:35:47 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

For people who don't wash-run after them and say, "I'm sorry, you forgot to
wash your hands!"  kind of the same way you'd say you left your purse on the
sink.

KerrySubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 10:19:39 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

I guess I'm warped too, because I found the posting clever and satrical.

I also have to give her brownie points for courage, for posting her message
in our pond of piranhas.  (Previous is said with humor  :)   )
Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 10:19:39 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

I guess I'm warped too, because I found the posting clever and satrical.

I also have to give her brownie points for courage, for posting her message
in our pond of piranhas.  (Previous is said with humor  :)   )
Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 10:19:39 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

I guess I'm warped too, because I found the posting clever and satrical.

I also have to give her brownie points for courage, for posting her message
in our pond of piranhas.  (Previous is said with humor  :)   )
Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 10:19:39 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

I guess I'm warped too, because I found the posting clever and satrical.

I also have to give her brownie points for courage, for posting her message
in our pond of piranhas.  (Previous is said with humor  :)   )
Subj:  MomJudy
Date:  96-09-23 11:04:16 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I think the screen name was a hoot.  And for me at least, the post served a
purpose.  Some of us do tend to get VERY riled up on this board.  I thought
it was funny how all of our HOT topics were used to pi** us off.  : )  Dh on
the other hand was reading it at the same time and not noticing the name was
FUMING.  His mouth was actually hanging open and he was sputterin.  LOL  Ya
just don't make disparaging remarks about Wal-Mart AND Native Americans in
the same sentence around him.  LOL!!

KatieSubj:  MomJudy
Date:  96-09-23 11:04:16 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I think the screen name was a hoot.  And for me at least, the post served a
purpose.  Some of us do tend to get VERY riled up on this board.  I thought
it was funny how all of our HOT topics were used to pi** us off.  : )  Dh on
the other hand was reading it at the same time and not noticing the name was
FUMING.  His mouth was actually hanging open and he was sputterin.  LOL  Ya
just don't make disparaging remarks about Wal-Mart AND Native Americans in
the same sentence around him.  LOL!!

KatieSubj:  MomJudy
Date:  96-09-23 11:04:16 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I think the screen name was a hoot.  And for me at least, the post served a
purpose.  Some of us do tend to get VERY riled up on this board.  I thought
it was funny how all of our HOT topics were used to pi** us off.  : )  Dh on
the other hand was reading it at the same time and not noticing the name was
FUMING.  His mouth was actually hanging open and he was sputterin.  LOL  Ya
just don't make disparaging remarks about Wal-Mart AND Native Americans in
the same sentence around him.  LOL!!

KatieSubj:  MomJudy
Date:  96-09-23 11:04:16 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I think the screen name was a hoot.  And for me at least, the post served a
purpose.  Some of us do tend to get VERY riled up on this board.  I thought
it was funny how all of our HOT topics were used to pi** us off.  : )  Dh on
the other hand was reading it at the same time and not noticing the name was
FUMING.  His mouth was actually hanging open and he was sputterin.  LOL  Ya
just don't make disparaging remarks about Wal-Mart AND Native Americans in
the same sentence around him.  LOL!!

KatieSubj:  Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 11:47:26 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Umm... Amy dear... Duh. Ill use small werds...
I were kidding 'bout teh poor widdle Indians...
In all sincerity.. if you are at all concerned about this issue.. you might
see what your childs school library has to offer about this particular
issue.. My guess is that they are still teaching..( brainwashing) the
illusion that we were the good guys and they were the bad guys and we knew
what was best for them..after all.. they had no culture , were savage beasts
that lived on the ground, bred like wild dogs..ect.. ect.. So.. if you do
care about the truth.. you might tell your children what really happened..
Ahhh.. America.. the greatest country anyone ever stole...

;)Subj:  Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 11:47:26 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Umm... Amy dear... Duh. Ill use small werds...
I were kidding 'bout teh poor widdle Indians...
In all sincerity.. if you are at all concerned about this issue.. you might
see what your childs school library has to offer about this particular
issue.. My guess is that they are still teaching..( brainwashing) the
illusion that we were the good guys and they were the bad guys and we knew
what was best for them..after all.. they had no culture , were savage beasts
that lived on the ground, bred like wild dogs..ect.. ect.. So.. if you do
care about the truth.. you might tell your children what really happened..
Ahhh.. America.. the greatest country anyone ever stole...

;)Subj:  Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 11:47:26 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Umm... Amy dear... Duh. Ill use small werds...
I were kidding 'bout teh poor widdle Indians...
In all sincerity.. if you are at all concerned about this issue.. you might
see what your childs school library has to offer about this particular
issue.. My guess is that they are still teaching..( brainwashing) the
illusion that we were the good guys and they were the bad guys and we knew
what was best for them..after all.. they had no culture , were savage beasts
that lived on the ground, bred like wild dogs..ect.. ect.. So.. if you do
care about the truth.. you might tell your children what really happened..
Ahhh.. America.. the greatest country anyone ever stole...

;)Subj:  Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 11:47:26 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Umm... Amy dear... Duh. Ill use small werds...
I were kidding 'bout teh poor widdle Indians...
In all sincerity.. if you are at all concerned about this issue.. you might
see what your childs school library has to offer about this particular
issue.. My guess is that they are still teaching..( brainwashing) the
illusion that we were the good guys and they were the bad guys and we knew
what was best for them..after all.. they had no culture , were savage beasts
that lived on the ground, bred like wild dogs..ect.. ect.. So.. if you do
care about the truth.. you might tell your children what really happened..
Ahhh.. America.. the greatest country anyone ever stole...

;)Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 12:12:46 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Um... don't you think that's kind of like the people who shove those booklets
at you?  I mean the religious ones?  If someone doesn't want to wash her
hands, it's really none of your business.  IMHO...
KaySubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 12:12:46 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Um... don't you think that's kind of like the people who shove those booklets
at you?  I mean the religious ones?  If someone doesn't want to wash her
hands, it's really none of your business.  IMHO...
KaySubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 12:12:46 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Um... don't you think that's kind of like the people who shove those booklets
at you?  I mean the religious ones?  If someone doesn't want to wash her
hands, it's really none of your business.  IMHO...
KaySubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 12:12:46 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Um... don't you think that's kind of like the people who shove those booklets
at you?  I mean the religious ones?  If someone doesn't want to wash her
hands, it's really none of your business.  IMHO...
KaySubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 12:12:46 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Um... don't you think that's kind of like the people who shove those booklets
at you?  I mean the religious ones?  If someone doesn't want to wash her
hands, it's really none of your business.  IMHO...
KaySubj:  Re:Moms Judy
Date:  96-09-23 12:21:05 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

I was so happy that you left my post up Judy..  I jumped up and did my little
happy happy glee dance when I saw that you had decided not to use your great
power of the dreaded.... LINE ITEM VETO..      ;)    Remember.. censorship is
a vewry vewry dangewous ting siwwy wabbit...I would hope that you leave this
one up as well.. knowing that I'm only poking a little fun at you.. IMHO it
seems that we could all use a little humor in our lives..no matter what
form.. satire.. cynicism.. ect...remember.. a laugh a day keeps the Nuthouse
away... now.. where's my medication.....

;)Subj:  Re:Moms Judy
Date:  96-09-23 12:21:05 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

I was so happy that you left my post up Judy..  I jumped up and did my little
happy happy glee dance when I saw that you had decided not to use your great
power of the dreaded.... LINE ITEM VETO..      ;)    Remember.. censorship is
a vewry vewry dangewous ting siwwy wabbit...I would hope that you leave this
one up as well.. knowing that I'm only poking a little fun at you.. IMHO it
seems that we could all use a little humor in our lives..no matter what
form.. satire.. cynicism.. ect...remember.. a laugh a day keeps the Nuthouse
away... now.. where's my medication.....

;)Subj:  Re:Moms Judy
Date:  96-09-23 12:21:05 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

I was so happy that you left my post up Judy..  I jumped up and did my little
happy happy glee dance when I saw that you had decided not to use your great
power of the dreaded.... LINE ITEM VETO..      ;)    Remember.. censorship is
a vewry vewry dangewous ting siwwy wabbit...I would hope that you leave this
one up as well.. knowing that I'm only poking a little fun at you.. IMHO it
seems that we could all use a little humor in our lives..no matter what
form.. satire.. cynicism.. ect...remember.. a laugh a day keeps the Nuthouse
away... now.. where's my medication.....

;)Subj:  Re:Moms Judy
Date:  96-09-23 12:21:05 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

I was so happy that you left my post up Judy..  I jumped up and did my little
happy happy glee dance when I saw that you had decided not to use your great
power of the dreaded.... LINE ITEM VETO..      ;)    Remember.. censorship is
a vewry vewry dangewous ting siwwy wabbit...I would hope that you leave this
one up as well.. knowing that I'm only poking a little fun at you.. IMHO it
seems that we could all use a little humor in our lives..no matter what
form.. satire.. cynicism.. ect...remember.. a laugh a day keeps the Nuthouse
away... now.. where's my medication.....

;)Subj:  Re:Moms Judy
Date:  96-09-23 12:21:05 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

I was so happy that you left my post up Judy..  I jumped up and did my little
happy happy glee dance when I saw that you had decided not to use your great
power of the dreaded.... LINE ITEM VETO..      ;)    Remember.. censorship is
a vewry vewry dangewous ting siwwy wabbit...I would hope that you leave this
one up as well.. knowing that I'm only poking a little fun at you.. IMHO it
seems that we could all use a little humor in our lives..no matter what
form.. satire.. cynicism.. ect...remember.. a laugh a day keeps the Nuthouse
away... now.. where's my medication.....

;)Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 12:22:06 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< If someone doesn't want to wash her hands, it's really none of your
business.  <<

Well.......IMHO....I don't want that person making my dinner in a
restaurant.......I don't want that daycare worker changing 10 diapers and
then possibly changing herself and then touching my child.   (my kids aren't
in daycare) (just an example)..........need I go on?Subj:  Re:non hand
washing
Date:  96-09-23 12:22:06 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< If someone doesn't want to wash her hands, it's really none of your
business.  <<

Well.......IMHO....I don't want that person making my dinner in a
restaurant.......I don't want that daycare worker changing 10 diapers and
then possibly changing herself and then touching my child.   (my kids aren't
in daycare) (just an example)..........need I go on?Subj:  Re:non hand
washing
Date:  96-09-23 12:22:06 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< If someone doesn't want to wash her hands, it's really none of your
business.  <<

Well.......IMHO....I don't want that person making my dinner in a
restaurant.......I don't want that daycare worker changing 10 diapers and
then possibly changing herself and then touching my child.   (my kids aren't
in daycare) (just an example)..........need I go on?Subj:  Re:non hand
washing
Date:  96-09-23 12:22:06 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< If someone doesn't want to wash her hands, it's really none of your
business.  <<

Well.......IMHO....I don't want that person making my dinner in a
restaurant.......I don't want that daycare worker changing 10 diapers and
then possibly changing herself and then touching my child.   (my kids aren't
in daycare) (just an example)..........need I go on?Subj:  Re:non hand
washing
Date:  96-09-23 12:22:06 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< If someone doesn't want to wash her hands, it's really none of your
business.  <<

Well.......IMHO....I don't want that person making my dinner in a
restaurant.......I don't want that daycare worker changing 10 diapers and
then possibly changing herself and then touching my child.   (my kids aren't
in daycare) (just an example)..........need I go on?Subj:  Re:non hand
washing
Date:  96-09-23 12:22:06 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< If someone doesn't want to wash her hands, it's really none of your
business.  <<

Well.......IMHO....I don't want that person making my dinner in a
restaurant.......I don't want that daycare worker changing 10 diapers and
then possibly changing herself and then touching my child.   (my kids aren't
in daycare) (just an example)..........need I go on?Subj:  Re:Moms Judy
Date:  96-09-23 12:23:05 edt
From:  TxTwisterr
Posted on:  America Online

LOL!! Subj:  Re:Moms Judy
Date:  96-09-23 12:23:05 edt
From:  TxTwisterr
Posted on:  America Online

LOL!! Subj:  Re:Moms Judy
Date:  96-09-23 12:23:05 edt
From:  TxTwisterr
Posted on:  America Online

LOL!! Subj:  Re:Moms Judy
Date:  96-09-23 12:23:05 edt
From:  TxTwisterr
Posted on:  America Online

LOL!! Subj:  Re:Moms Judy
Date:  96-09-23 12:23:05 edt
From:  TxTwisterr
Posted on:  America Online

LOL!! Subj:  Re:Moms Judy
Date:  96-09-23 12:23:05 edt
From:  TxTwisterr
Posted on:  America Online

LOL!! Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 12:55:24 edt
From:  JeanieDee2
Posted on:  America Online

MOMS Judy asks << Do you think that gal's screen name is offensive?(or funny)
It was the screen name that gave me pause more than the post. What say you?
>>
The whole thing was absolutely hysterical! It seems to me that the screen
name was a necessary part of the joke. I laughed through the whole post, but
it might not have been as funny without that name. Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 12:55:24 edt
From:  JeanieDee2
Posted on:  America Online

MOMS Judy asks << Do you think that gal's screen name is offensive?(or funny)
It was the screen name that gave me pause more than the post. What say you?
>>
The whole thing was absolutely hysterical! It seems to me that the screen
name was a necessary part of the joke. I laughed through the whole post, but
it might not have been as funny without that name. Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 12:55:24 edt
From:  JeanieDee2
Posted on:  America Online

MOMS Judy asks << Do you think that gal's screen name is offensive?(or funny)
It was the screen name that gave me pause more than the post. What say you?
>>
The whole thing was absolutely hysterical! It seems to me that the screen
name was a necessary part of the joke. I laughed through the whole post, but
it might not have been as funny without that name. Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 12:55:24 edt
From:  JeanieDee2
Posted on:  America Online

MOMS Judy asks << Do you think that gal's screen name is offensive?(or funny)
It was the screen name that gave me pause more than the post. What say you?
>>
The whole thing was absolutely hysterical! It seems to me that the screen
name was a necessary part of the joke. I laughed through the whole post, but
it might not have been as funny without that name. Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 12:55:24 edt
From:  JeanieDee2
Posted on:  America Online

MOMS Judy asks << Do you think that gal's screen name is offensive?(or funny)
It was the screen name that gave me pause more than the post. What say you?
>>
The whole thing was absolutely hysterical! It seems to me that the screen
name was a necessary part of the joke. I laughed through the whole post, but
it might not have been as funny without that name. Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 13:09:38 edt
From:  JeanieDee2
Posted on:  America Online

<< << If someone doesn't want to wash her hands, it's really none of your
business.  <<

Well.......IMHO....I don't want that person making my dinner in a
restaurant.......I don't want that daycare worker changing 10 diapers and
then possibly changing herself and then touching my child.   (my kids aren't
in daycare) (just an example)..........need I go on? >>

DITTO!
A lot of food service workers are wearing plastic gloves now. But I always
wonder how often they change them and what else they do while they have the
gloves on. I wonder if it gives them a false sense of "security".....you
know, why bother washing, if you're going to put gloves on.
  - Adding one more thing to my worry list. ;)Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 13:09:38 edt
From:  JeanieDee2
Posted on:  America Online

<< << If someone doesn't want to wash her hands, it's really none of your
business.  <<

Well.......IMHO....I don't want that person making my dinner in a
restaurant.......I don't want that daycare worker changing 10 diapers and
then possibly changing herself and then touching my child.   (my kids aren't
in daycare) (just an example)..........need I go on? >>

DITTO!
A lot of food service workers are wearing plastic gloves now. But I always
wonder how often they change them and what else they do while they have the
gloves on. I wonder if it gives them a false sense of "security".....you
know, why bother washing, if you're going to put gloves on.
  - Adding one more thing to my worry list. ;)Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 13:09:38 edt
From:  JeanieDee2
Posted on:  America Online

<< << If someone doesn't want to wash her hands, it's really none of your
business.  <<

Well.......IMHO....I don't want that person making my dinner in a
restaurant.......I don't want that daycare worker changing 10 diapers and
then possibly changing herself and then touching my child.   (my kids aren't
in daycare) (just an example)..........need I go on? >>

DITTO!
A lot of food service workers are wearing plastic gloves now. But I always
wonder how often they change them and what else they do while they have the
gloves on. I wonder if it gives them a false sense of "security".....you
know, why bother washing, if you're going to put gloves on.
  - Adding one more thing to my worry list. ;)Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 13:09:38 edt
From:  JeanieDee2
Posted on:  America Online

<< << If someone doesn't want to wash her hands, it's really none of your
business.  <<

Well.......IMHO....I don't want that person making my dinner in a
restaurant.......I don't want that daycare worker changing 10 diapers and
then possibly changing herself and then touching my child.   (my kids aren't
in daycare) (just an example)..........need I go on? >>

DITTO!
A lot of food service workers are wearing plastic gloves now. But I always
wonder how often they change them and what else they do while they have the
gloves on. I wonder if it gives them a false sense of "security".....you
know, why bother washing, if you're going to put gloves on.
  - Adding one more thing to my worry list. ;)Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 13:09:38 edt
From:  JeanieDee2
Posted on:  America Online

<< << If someone doesn't want to wash her hands, it's really none of your
business.  <<

Well.......IMHO....I don't want that person making my dinner in a
restaurant.......I don't want that daycare worker changing 10 diapers and
then possibly changing herself and then touching my child.   (my kids aren't
in daycare) (just an example)..........need I go on? >>

DITTO!
A lot of food service workers are wearing plastic gloves now. But I always
wonder how often they change them and what else they do while they have the
gloves on. I wonder if it gives them a false sense of "security".....you
know, why bother washing, if you're going to put gloves on.
  - Adding one more thing to my worry list. ;)Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 13:09:38 edt
From:  JeanieDee2
Posted on:  America Online

<< << If someone doesn't want to wash her hands, it's really none of your
business.  <<

Well.......IMHO....I don't want that person making my dinner in a
restaurant.......I don't want that daycare worker changing 10 diapers and
then possibly changing herself and then touching my child.   (my kids aren't
in daycare) (just an example)..........need I go on? >>

DITTO!
A lot of food service workers are wearing plastic gloves now. But I always
wonder how often they change them and what else they do while they have the
gloves on. I wonder if it gives them a false sense of "security".....you
know, why bother washing, if you're going to put gloves on.
  - Adding one more thing to my worry list. ;)Subj:  Re:A few thoughts:
AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 13:20:06 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<Umm... Amy dear... Duh. Ill use small werds...>>

Ummm, dear pis... if you're going to be condescending, at least try to spell
correctly.

LynnSubj:  Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 13:20:06 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<Umm... Amy dear... Duh. Ill use small werds...>>

Ummm, dear pis... if you're going to be condescending, at least try to spell
correctly.

LynnSubj:  Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 13:20:06 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<Umm... Amy dear... Duh. Ill use small werds...>>

Ummm, dear pis... if you're going to be condescending, at least try to spell
correctly.

LynnSubj:  Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 13:20:06 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<Umm... Amy dear... Duh. Ill use small werds...>>

Ummm, dear pis... if you're going to be condescending, at least try to spell
correctly.

LynnSubj:  Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 13:20:06 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<Umm... Amy dear... Duh. Ill use small werds...>>

Ummm, dear pis... if you're going to be condescending, at least try to spell
correctly.

LynnSubj:  Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 13:20:06 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<Umm... Amy dear... Duh. Ill use small werds...>>

Ummm, dear pis... if you're going to be condescending, at least try to spell
correctly.

LynnSubj:  Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 13:20:06 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<Umm... Amy dear... Duh. Ill use small werds...>>

Ummm, dear pis... if you're going to be condescending, at least try to spell
correctly.

LynnSubj:  Re:Moms Judy
Date:  96-09-23 13:23:40 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

Speaking of Moms Judy, check out the Kid of the Day. Nice hair Judy! My
mother used to do that to me too!

LynnSubj:  Re:Moms Judy
Date:  96-09-23 13:23:40 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

Speaking of Moms Judy, check out the Kid of the Day. Nice hair Judy! My
mother used to do that to me too!

LynnSubj:  Re:Moms Judy
Date:  96-09-23 13:23:40 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

Speaking of Moms Judy, check out the Kid of the Day. Nice hair Judy! My
mother used to do that to me too!

LynnSubj:  Re:Moms Judy
Date:  96-09-23 13:23:40 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

Speaking of Moms Judy, check out the Kid of the Day. Nice hair Judy! My
mother used to do that to me too!

LynnSubj:  Re:Moms Judy
Date:  96-09-23 13:23:40 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

Speaking of Moms Judy, check out the Kid of the Day. Nice hair Judy! My
mother used to do that to me too!

LynnSubj:  Re:Moms Judy
Date:  96-09-23 13:23:40 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

Speaking of Moms Judy, check out the Kid of the Day. Nice hair Judy! My
mother used to do that to me too!

LynnSubj:  ReHr2pisUoff
Date:  96-09-23 13:23:50 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I have a feeling I have "seen" you before perhaps there is another name you
use as well?  I got a clue from your profile...

KerrySubj:  ReHr2pisUoff
Date:  96-09-23 13:23:50 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I have a feeling I have "seen" you before perhaps there is another name you
use as well?  I got a clue from your profile...

KerrySubj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 13:27:00 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Actually hand washing does affect me.  When someone grabs that door handle,
and I grab it after, she  could be passing along:  Her cold, Her
gastrointestinal complaint,Pinworm,ringworm,the flu, TB (that's a stretch i
will admit) and all kinds of other very nasty things.  I would never let
someone throw feces at me, or leave it lying around so why wouldn't I say
anything when someone doesn't wash their hands?  Subj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 13:27:00 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Actually hand washing does affect me.  When someone grabs that door handle,
and I grab it after, she  could be passing along:  Her cold, Her
gastrointestinal complaint,Pinworm,ringworm,the flu, TB (that's a stretch i
will admit) and all kinds of other very nasty things.  I would never let
someone throw feces at me, or leave it lying around so why wouldn't I say
anything when someone doesn't wash their hands?  Subj:  Re:beating that dead
horse
Date:  96-09-23 13:28:55 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

One of the children out west who died of E. Coli-had never eaten a hamburger
in his life-a daycare provider did not wash her hands after changing diapers
and passed it along from a child that had it-to another.

I rest my case.

KerrySubj:  Re:beating that dead horse
Date:  96-09-23 13:28:55 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

One of the children out west who died of E. Coli-had never eaten a hamburger
in his life-a daycare provider did not wash her hands after changing diapers
and passed it along from a child that had it-to another.

I rest my case.

KerrySubj:  Re:beating that dead horse
Date:  96-09-23 13:28:55 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

One of the children out west who died of E. Coli-had never eaten a hamburger
in his life-a daycare provider did not wash her hands after changing diapers
and passed it along from a child that had it-to another.

I rest my case.

KerrySubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 14:19:50 edt
From:  Momybos
Posted on:  America Online

Bravo!!!  Thanks for the laugh.  Now, after reading some of the new
topics...I dare you to come up with as genuine a posting as this one.  I'll
be looking forward to reading it!!!  ;)Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 14:19:50 edt
From:  Momybos
Posted on:  America Online

Bravo!!!  Thanks for the laugh.  Now, after reading some of the new
topics...I dare you to come up with as genuine a posting as this one.  I'll
be looking forward to reading it!!!  ;)Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 14:19:50 edt
From:  Momybos
Posted on:  America Online

Bravo!!!  Thanks for the laugh.  Now, after reading some of the new
topics...I dare you to come up with as genuine a posting as this one.  I'll
be looking forward to reading it!!!  ;)Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 14:19:50 edt
From:  Momybos
Posted on:  America Online

Bravo!!!  Thanks for the laugh.  Now, after reading some of the new
topics...I dare you to come up with as genuine a posting as this one.  I'll
be looking forward to reading it!!!  ;)Subj:  Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-23 14:29:57 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

Segway.... When you are in the restaraunt bathroom washing your hands, look
around.   Do you see a changing table for babies?

I had always wondered why a "so-called" family restaurant that went thru the
expense of buying highchairs and booster seats and crayons for the kids to
use at the table  couldn't afford a couple hundred dollar changing table.
Can I tell you how many times I have walked into a restaraunt bathroom to
change my child and then had to walk out and let the baby sit in a wet diaper
because there was no place to change her?  Then there were times when she has
had poopie diapers and I had no choice but to change her, with her head
hanging over the side, on the sink. I always use a changing pad and I carry a
travel bottle of disinfectant in the changing bag.  I Spray everything
(except the baby), before and after changing; but, still how sanitary is
that, both your the rest of the patrons and my baby?

Once this happened in a "family" restaraunt and after I changed the baby, the
manager, doing her manager thing, came to our table to see how our meal was
doing.
I asked her, "If you are a family restaraunt, why aren't there changing
tables in the bathroom?"

Her answer floored me.  They had had changing tables in, but had to take them
out.  Seems that they didn't meet handicapped standards.  The tables had to
be in a stall, and the stall had to be the handicapped size.  The table had
to be a certain height off the floor, but not so high of the floor that
someone in a  wheel chair couldn't use it.  It had to have a certain amount
of space around it when it was open (Remember, it had to be *in* a stall).
In short, there was no place in the bathroom where it meet all the
requirements. A changing table of a few hundred dollars would cost the
restaraunt 10s of thousands of dollars. It would take the restaurant a
renovation to put one baby changing station in the bathroom!!!

Now, I think handicapped people *need* handicapped provisions made for them.
I have no problem with parking spaces, ramps, sitting arrangements or
bathroom accomodations.  I can imagine how humilated I would feel if I were
in a wheelchair in a restaraunt and had to have a stranger help me go to the
bathroom, because the restroom was not fitted with the proper "hardware".

But, should I have to risk the health of my child and the health of others
who use this restroom, because there is no place to accommodate both me and
the handicapped?
Shouldn't there be some common ground here.   Isn't there some entreperneur
out there who could make something that was acceptable to the patrons, the
handicapped patrons, the restaraunt and the government!

If we know how to make toilets that work in outerspace, you would
think.............
Subj:  Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-23 14:29:57 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

Segway.... When you are in the restaraunt bathroom washing your hands, look
around.   Do you see a changing table for babies?

I had always wondered why a "so-called" family restaurant that went thru the
expense of buying highchairs and booster seats and crayons for the kids to
use at the table  couldn't afford a couple hundred dollar changing table.
Can I tell you how many times I have walked into a restaraunt bathroom to
change my child and then had to walk out and let the baby sit in a wet diaper
because there was no place to change her?  Then there were times when she has
had poopie diapers and I had no choice but to change her, with her head
hanging over the side, on the sink. I always use a changing pad and I carry a
travel bottle of disinfectant in the changing bag.  I Spray everything
(except the baby), before and after changing; but, still how sanitary is
that, both your the rest of the patrons and my baby?

Once this happened in a "family" restaraunt and after I changed the baby, the
manager, doing her manager thing, came to our table to see how our meal was
doing.
I asked her, "If you are a family restaraunt, why aren't there changing
tables in the bathroom?"

Her answer floored me.  They had had changing tables in, but had to take them
out.  Seems that they didn't meet handicapped standards.  The tables had to
be in a stall, and the stall had to be the handicapped size.  The table had
to be a certain height off the floor, but not so high of the floor that
someone in a  wheel chair couldn't use it.  It had to have a certain amount
of space around it when it was open (Remember, it had to be *in* a stall).
In short, there was no place in the bathroom where it meet all the
requirements. A changing table of a few hundred dollars would cost the
restaraunt 10s of thousands of dollars. It would take the restaurant a
renovation to put one baby changing station in the bathroom!!!

Now, I think handicapped people *need* handicapped provisions made for them.
I have no problem with parking spaces, ramps, sitting arrangements or
bathroom accomodations.  I can imagine how humilated I would feel if I were
in a wheelchair in a restaraunt and had to have a stranger help me go to the
bathroom, because the restroom was not fitted with the proper "hardware".

But, should I have to risk the health of my child and the health of others
who use this restroom, because there is no place to accommodate both me and
the handicapped?
Shouldn't there be some common ground here.   Isn't there some entreperneur
out there who could make something that was acceptable to the patrons, the
handicapped patrons, the restaraunt and the government!

If we know how to make toilets that work in outerspace, you would
think.............
Subj:  Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-23 14:29:57 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

Segway.... When you are in the restaraunt bathroom washing your hands, look
around.   Do you see a changing table for babies?

I had always wondered why a "so-called" family restaurant that went thru the
expense of buying highchairs and booster seats and crayons for the kids to
use at the table  couldn't afford a couple hundred dollar changing table.
Can I tell you how many times I have walked into a restaraunt bathroom to
change my child and then had to walk out and let the baby sit in a wet diaper
because there was no place to change her?  Then there were times when she has
had poopie diapers and I had no choice but to change her, with her head
hanging over the side, on the sink. I always use a changing pad and I carry a
travel bottle of disinfectant in the changing bag.  I Spray everything
(except the baby), before and after changing; but, still how sanitary is
that, both your the rest of the patrons and my baby?

Once this happened in a "family" restaraunt and after I changed the baby, the
manager, doing her manager thing, came to our table to see how our meal was
doing.
I asked her, "If you are a family restaraunt, why aren't there changing
tables in the bathroom?"

Her answer floored me.  They had had changing tables in, but had to take them
out.  Seems that they didn't meet handicapped standards.  The tables had to
be in a stall, and the stall had to be the handicapped size.  The table had
to be a certain height off the floor, but not so high of the floor that
someone in a  wheel chair couldn't use it.  It had to have a certain amount
of space around it when it was open (Remember, it had to be *in* a stall).
In short, there was no place in the bathroom where it meet all the
requirements. A changing table of a few hundred dollars would cost the
restaraunt 10s of thousands of dollars. It would take the restaurant a
renovation to put one baby changing station in the bathroom!!!

Now, I think handicapped people *need* handicapped provisions made for them.
I have no problem with parking spaces, ramps, sitting arrangements or
bathroom accomodations.  I can imagine how humilated I would feel if I were
in a wheelchair in a restaraunt and had to have a stranger help me go to the
bathroom, because the restroom was not fitted with the proper "hardware".

But, should I have to risk the health of my child and the health of others
who use this restroom, because there is no place to accommodate both me and
the handicapped?
Shouldn't there be some common ground here.   Isn't there some entreperneur
out there who could make something that was acceptable to the patrons, the
handicapped patrons, the restaraunt and the government!

If we know how to make toilets that work in outerspace, you would
think.............
Subj:  Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-23 14:29:57 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

Segway.... When you are in the restaraunt bathroom washing your hands, look
around.   Do you see a changing table for babies?

I had always wondered why a "so-called" family restaurant that went thru the
expense of buying highchairs and booster seats and crayons for the kids to
use at the table  couldn't afford a couple hundred dollar changing table.
Can I tell you how many times I have walked into a restaraunt bathroom to
change my child and then had to walk out and let the baby sit in a wet diaper
because there was no place to change her?  Then there were times when she has
had poopie diapers and I had no choice but to change her, with her head
hanging over the side, on the sink. I always use a changing pad and I carry a
travel bottle of disinfectant in the changing bag.  I Spray everything
(except the baby), before and after changing; but, still how sanitary is
that, both your the rest of the patrons and my baby?

Once this happened in a "family" restaraunt and after I changed the baby, the
manager, doing her manager thing, came to our table to see how our meal was
doing.
I asked her, "If you are a family restaraunt, why aren't there changing
tables in the bathroom?"

Her answer floored me.  They had had changing tables in, but had to take them
out.  Seems that they didn't meet handicapped standards.  The tables had to
be in a stall, and the stall had to be the handicapped size.  The table had
to be a certain height off the floor, but not so high of the floor that
someone in a  wheel chair couldn't use it.  It had to have a certain amount
of space around it when it was open (Remember, it had to be *in* a stall).
In short, there was no place in the bathroom where it meet all the
requirements. A changing table of a few hundred dollars would cost the
restaraunt 10s of thousands of dollars. It would take the restaurant a
renovation to put one baby changing station in the bathroom!!!

Now, I think handicapped people *need* handicapped provisions made for them.
I have no problem with parking spaces, ramps, sitting arrangements or
bathroom accomodations.  I can imagine how humilated I would feel if I were
in a wheelchair in a restaraunt and had to have a stranger help me go to the
bathroom, because the restroom was not fitted with the proper "hardware".

But, should I have to risk the health of my child and the health of others
who use this restroom, because there is no place to accommodate both me and
the handicapped?
Shouldn't there be some common ground here.   Isn't there some entreperneur
out there who could make something that was acceptable to the patrons, the
handicapped patrons, the restaraunt and the government!

If we know how to make toilets that work in outerspace, you would
think.............
Subj:  Re: Dirty Hands
Date:  96-09-23 14:31:13 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<One of the children out west who died of E. Coli-had never eaten a
hamburger in his life-a daycare provider did not wash her hands after
changing diapers and passed it along from a child that had it-to another.>>

This is disgraceful!!  I change one diaper, throw it away, wash my hands, and
start all over again!!  I am suprised that my hands are not always chapped
and peeling and craking from washing them so much!!  I have this thing, I
Always have to have clean hands, even if they are just sweaty and I need to
rinse them off.  I even wash them after I've been on the computer for awhile,
because they get sweaty from the mouse.  I just can't stand it when my hands
feel yucky.

A weirdo - JennSubj:  Re: Dirty Hands
Date:  96-09-23 14:31:13 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<One of the children out west who died of E. Coli-had never eaten a
hamburger in his life-a daycare provider did not wash her hands after
changing diapers and passed it along from a child that had it-to another.>>

This is disgraceful!!  I change one diaper, throw it away, wash my hands, and
start all over again!!  I am suprised that my hands are not always chapped
and peeling and craking from washing them so much!!  I have this thing, I
Always have to have clean hands, even if they are just sweaty and I need to
rinse them off.  I even wash them after I've been on the computer for awhile,
because they get sweaty from the mouse.  I just can't stand it when my hands
feel yucky.

A weirdo - JennSubj:  Re: Dirty Hands
Date:  96-09-23 14:31:13 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<One of the children out west who died of E. Coli-had never eaten a
hamburger in his life-a daycare provider did not wash her hands after
changing diapers and passed it along from a child that had it-to another.>>

This is disgraceful!!  I change one diaper, throw it away, wash my hands, and
start all over again!!  I am suprised that my hands are not always chapped
and peeling and craking from washing them so much!!  I have this thing, I
Always have to have clean hands, even if they are just sweaty and I need to
rinse them off.  I even wash them after I've been on the computer for awhile,
because they get sweaty from the mouse.  I just can't stand it when my hands
feel yucky.

A weirdo - JennSubj:  Re: Dirty Hands
Date:  96-09-23 14:31:13 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<One of the children out west who died of E. Coli-had never eaten a
hamburger in his life-a daycare provider did not wash her hands after
changing diapers and passed it along from a child that had it-to another.>>

This is disgraceful!!  I change one diaper, throw it away, wash my hands, and
start all over again!!  I am suprised that my hands are not always chapped
and peeling and craking from washing them so much!!  I have this thing, I
Always have to have clean hands, even if they are just sweaty and I need to
rinse them off.  I even wash them after I've been on the computer for awhile,
because they get sweaty from the mouse.  I just can't stand it when my hands
feel yucky.

A weirdo - JennSubj:  Re:KidsGamer
Date:  96-09-23 14:35:46 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

I'll have to admit.. you got me there.. yea right.. please get out the
dictionary and lookup.. sarcasm...its a pretty hefty werd... but not as big
as condescending!!  Yikes!! Speeler check help me! I am habing a reel hard
time beein understanded here..maybeee I shood go sumwhers elses and tri to be
a silly hed.. but den agin.. Naaaaaaa

;)Subj:  Re:KidsGamer
Date:  96-09-23 14:35:46 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

I'll have to admit.. you got me there.. yea right.. please get out the
dictionary and lookup.. sarcasm...its a pretty hefty werd... but not as big
as condescending!!  Yikes!! Speeler check help me! I am habing a reel hard
time beein understanded here..maybeee I shood go sumwhers elses and tri to be
a silly hed.. but den agin.. Naaaaaaa

;)Subj:  Re:KidsGamer
Date:  96-09-23 14:35:46 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

I'll have to admit.. you got me there.. yea right.. please get out the
dictionary and lookup.. sarcasm...its a pretty hefty werd... but not as big
as condescending!!  Yikes!! Speeler check help me! I am habing a reel hard
time beein understanded here..maybeee I shood go sumwhers elses and tri to be
a silly hed.. but den agin.. Naaaaaaa

;)Subj:  Re:KidsGamer
Date:  96-09-23 14:35:46 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

I'll have to admit.. you got me there.. yea right.. please get out the
dictionary and lookup.. sarcasm...its a pretty hefty werd... but not as big
as condescending!!  Yikes!! Speeler check help me! I am habing a reel hard
time beein understanded here..maybeee I shood go sumwhers elses and tri to be
a silly hed.. but den agin.. Naaaaaaa

;)Subj:  Re:KidsGamer
Date:  96-09-23 14:35:46 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

I'll have to admit.. you got me there.. yea right.. please get out the
dictionary and lookup.. sarcasm...its a pretty hefty werd... but not as big
as condescending!!  Yikes!! Speeler check help me! I am habing a reel hard
time beein understanded here..maybeee I shood go sumwhers elses and tri to be
a silly hed.. but den agin.. Naaaaaaa

;)Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 14:37:45 edt
From:  ESubers
Posted on:  America Online

MOMS Judy

Her screen name and the post were FUNNY.  I like a sense of humor!  Even if
it is sarcastic.  We're grownups, right??  Leave 'em in and let her rip!

EmilySubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 14:37:45 edt
From:  ESubers
Posted on:  America Online

MOMS Judy

Her screen name and the post were FUNNY.  I like a sense of humor!  Even if
it is sarcastic.  We're grownups, right??  Leave 'em in and let her rip!

EmilySubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 14:37:45 edt
From:  ESubers
Posted on:  America Online

MOMS Judy

Her screen name and the post were FUNNY.  I like a sense of humor!  Even if
it is sarcastic.  We're grownups, right??  Leave 'em in and let her rip!

EmilySubj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-23 14:40:00 edt
From:  MommANITA
Posted on:  America Online

Isn't it amazing how when dad watches the kids while we go do something
constructive just for ourselves, they are somehow doing us some *huge* favor?
They're his kids too.  During those times when I hear, "I just got home from
work, can I have a few moments of peace to relax?" I've had to point out to
my dh that I *never* get home from work.

-Anita :DSubj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-23 14:40:00 edt
From:  MommANITA
Posted on:  America Online

Isn't it amazing how when dad watches the kids while we go do something
constructive just for ourselves, they are somehow doing us some *huge* favor?
They're his kids too.  During those times when I hear, "I just got home from
work, can I have a few moments of peace to relax?" I've had to point out to
my dh that I *never* get home from work.

-Anita :DSubj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-23 14:40:00 edt
From:  MommANITA
Posted on:  America Online

Isn't it amazing how when dad watches the kids while we go do something
constructive just for ourselves, they are somehow doing us some *huge* favor?
They're his kids too.  During those times when I hear, "I just got home from
work, can I have a few moments of peace to relax?" I've had to point out to
my dh that I *never* get home from work.

-Anita :DSubj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 14:40:52 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

When my daughter was 13 months old she got a bad case of the Roto Virus.
Roto virus is spread thru feces.

She had dirahreea for 10 days, and ate noting but jello dissoivld in Kool-aid
for over two weeks.
My toddler, who normally didn't even slow down for kisses, slept for 22 hours
everyday and when she was awake wanted to do nothing but lay in my arms.  it
got so bad that she didn't pee for 24 hours and was literally on her way to
the hospital when she finaly did pee.

Let me tell you I have never been so terrified in my life.   I felt entirely
useless and ineffectual in the curing of  my child.  By the time the whole
thing was over, (she is fine now) she had lost almost 5 pounds.

We hadn't been anwhere, but the grocery store for 5 days before hand. I
always wash my hands and (if you read my previous post you'll know) carry
disinfectant in my diaper bag.  But, someone else didn't wash their hands and
my child paid for it.  Subj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 14:40:52 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

When my daughter was 13 months old she got a bad case of the Roto Virus.
Roto virus is spread thru feces.

She had dirahreea for 10 days, and ate noting but jello dissoivld in Kool-aid
for over two weeks.
My toddler, who normally didn't even slow down for kisses, slept for 22 hours
everyday and when she was awake wanted to do nothing but lay in my arms.  it
got so bad that she didn't pee for 24 hours and was literally on her way to
the hospital when she finaly did pee.

Let me tell you I have never been so terrified in my life.   I felt entirely
useless and ineffectual in the curing of  my child.  By the time the whole
thing was over, (she is fine now) she had lost almost 5 pounds.

We hadn't been anwhere, but the grocery store for 5 days before hand. I
always wash my hands and (if you read my previous post you'll know) carry
disinfectant in my diaper bag.  But, someone else didn't wash their hands and
my child paid for it.  Subj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-23 14:42:30 edt
From:  MommANITA
Posted on:  America Online

CEICE wrote, <<<One of these days I'm gonna say something to one of these
               non washers!!  :)  Anyone have a good line I could use!>>>

How about, "Oh, BTW, I have hepatitus and just came out of that stall.  You
should probably wash your hands just in case."  And smile sweetly when you
say that, hon.

-Anita :DSubj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-23 14:42:30 edt
From:  MommANITA
Posted on:  America Online

CEICE wrote, <<<One of these days I'm gonna say something to one of these
               non washers!!  :)  Anyone have a good line I could use!>>>

How about, "Oh, BTW, I have hepatitus and just came out of that stall.  You
should probably wash your hands just in case."  And smile sweetly when you
say that, hon.

-Anita :DSubj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-23 14:42:30 edt
From:  MommANITA
Posted on:  America Online

CEICE wrote, <<<One of these days I'm gonna say something to one of these
               non washers!!  :)  Anyone have a good line I could use!>>>

How about, "Oh, BTW, I have hepatitus and just came out of that stall.  You
should probably wash your hands just in case."  And smile sweetly when you
say that, hon.

-Anita :DSubj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-23 14:46:21 edt
From:  ESubers
Posted on:  America Online

I've seen people leave the rest room in the grocery store without washing and
then immediately handle the produce. Yuk!  You'd better believe it gets
scrubbed here!

While we're on the subject of clean, is anyone else out there laundry
impaired.  I cannot seem to get certain spots out of my kids clothes.  I have
thrown out more chocolate stained shirts than I care to remember.:(!

EmilySubj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-23 14:46:21 edt
From:  ESubers
Posted on:  America Online

I've seen people leave the rest room in the grocery store without washing and
then immediately handle the produce. Yuk!  You'd better believe it gets
scrubbed here!

While we're on the subject of clean, is anyone else out there laundry
impaired.  I cannot seem to get certain spots out of my kids clothes.  I have
thrown out more chocolate stained shirts than I care to remember.:(!

EmilySubj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-23 14:46:21 edt
From:  ESubers
Posted on:  America Online

I've seen people leave the rest room in the grocery store without washing and
then immediately handle the produce. Yuk!  You'd better believe it gets
scrubbed here!

While we're on the subject of clean, is anyone else out there laundry
impaired.  I cannot seem to get certain spots out of my kids clothes.  I have
thrown out more chocolate stained shirts than I care to remember.:(!

EmilySubj:  disinfectant
Date:  96-09-23 14:50:07 edt
From:  Beanpaul
Posted on:  America Online

<<We hadn't been anwhere, but the grocery store for 5 days before hand. I
always wash my hands and (if you read my previous post you'll know) carry
disinfectant in my diaper bag.  But, someone else didn't wash their hands and
my child paid for it.  >>

what kind of disinfectant do you carry that's portable?

beanSubj:  disinfectant
Date:  96-09-23 14:50:07 edt
From:  Beanpaul
Posted on:  America Online

<<We hadn't been anwhere, but the grocery store for 5 days before hand. I
always wash my hands and (if you read my previous post you'll know) carry
disinfectant in my diaper bag.  But, someone else didn't wash their hands and
my child paid for it.  >>

what kind of disinfectant do you carry that's portable?

beanSubj:  Re:PMS
Date:  96-09-23 15:02:39 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

<<<Thanks again for the words of wisdom and for the stories helping me know
I'm not *completely* nutso!>>

Never said you werent nutso, just not alone!   LOL  :)

Subj:  Re:PMS
Date:  96-09-23 15:02:39 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

<<<Thanks again for the words of wisdom and for the stories helping me know
I'm not *completely* nutso!>>

Never said you werent nutso, just not alone!   LOL  :)

Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 15:05:54 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Found it mildly amusing, but offencive that there are real people out there
with those attitudes and showing total tolerance to that, is adding to
ignorance!
Since the attack was generic until it got to the Native Americans, I let the
rest slide by!

SillySubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 15:05:54 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Found it mildly amusing, but offencive that there are real people out there
with those attitudes and showing total tolerance to that, is adding to
ignorance!
Since the attack was generic until it got to the Native Americans, I let the
rest slide by!

SillySubj:  Re:Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-23 15:08:34 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

I had a weird experience changing my baby at the Old Spaghetti Factory.  They
had one of those pull out changing tables on the wall that was placed so high
up I had to stand on tiptoe to change the diaper.  And I'm 5' 7, fairly tall
by most standards...I can't imagine some of my shorter friends trying to do
this.  What would they have to do, go get a phone book to stand on?  And it
wasn't in a stall; it was right across from the sink.Subj:  Re:Baby Changing
tables
Date:  96-09-23 15:08:34 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

I had a weird experience changing my baby at the Old Spaghetti Factory.  They
had one of those pull out changing tables on the wall that was placed so high
up I had to stand on tiptoe to change the diaper.  And I'm 5' 7, fairly tall
by most standards...I can't imagine some of my shorter friends trying to do
this.  What would they have to do, go get a phone book to stand on?  And it
wasn't in a stall; it was right across from the sink.Subj:  To Hr2pissuoff
Date:  96-09-23 15:10:40 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

You don't need to go elsewhere to get your message across...I've enjoyed your
posts...I think it's all in fun and we all need to laugh a little.  Wasn't it
BrattyBrat (hope she's having fun at Disney) who said if we don't laugh, we
cry?  Hasn't anyone ever watched Saturday Night Live?  Sometimes it's good to
laugh at ourselves and not take everything so seriously.

LauraSubj:  To Hr2pissuoff
Date:  96-09-23 15:10:40 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

You don't need to go elsewhere to get your message across...I've enjoyed your
posts...I think it's all in fun and we all need to laugh a little.  Wasn't it
BrattyBrat (hope she's having fun at Disney) who said if we don't laugh, we
cry?  Hasn't anyone ever watched Saturday Night Live?  Sometimes it's good to
laugh at ourselves and not take everything so seriously.

LauraSubj:  To Hr2pissuoff
Date:  96-09-23 15:10:40 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

You don't need to go elsewhere to get your message across...I've enjoyed your
posts...I think it's all in fun and we all need to laugh a little.  Wasn't it
BrattyBrat (hope she's having fun at Disney) who said if we don't laugh, we
cry?  Hasn't anyone ever watched Saturday Night Live?  Sometimes it's good to
laugh at ourselves and not take everything so seriously.

LauraSubj:  Re:ReHr2pisUoff
Date:  96-09-23 15:18:33 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Well first off when being sarcastic you should at least stay consistant!


No this screen name Hr2pisuoff is NOT me!  you noticed she/he said she was "
tri to be a silly hed."    honey you can try and try there is only one Silly!
:)
 No the mold wasnt broken, it was court ordered to be destroyed!  :)Subj:
Re:ReHr2pisUoff
Date:  96-09-23 15:18:33 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Well first off when being sarcastic you should at least stay consistant!


No this screen name Hr2pisuoff is NOT me!  you noticed she/he said she was "
tri to be a silly hed."    honey you can try and try there is only one Silly!
:)
 No the mold wasnt broken, it was court ordered to be destroyed!  :)Subj:
Re:ReHr2pisUoff
Date:  96-09-23 15:19:52 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

BTW~~~~ANYONE that knows me knows I would never take Walmarts name in vein,
vane, or vain!  PLEASE!!!!!Subj:  Re:ReHr2pisUoff
Date:  96-09-23 15:19:52 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

BTW~~~~ANYONE that knows me knows I would never take Walmarts name in vein,
vane, or vain!  PLEASE!!!!!Subj:  Re:disinfectant
Date:  96-09-23 15:32:35 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

Sometimes, you can find Lysol aerosol in the travel-size bins at pharmacies
I have also recieced a couple trial-size types in the mail.

 Also, you can get disinfectant handi-wipe type products at some pharmacies.
The alcohol rub things.  Subj:  Re:disinfectant
Date:  96-09-23 15:32:35 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

Sometimes, you can find Lysol aerosol in the travel-size bins at pharmacies
I have also recieced a couple trial-size types in the mail.

 Also, you can get disinfectant handi-wipe type products at some pharmacies.
The alcohol rub things.  Subj:  Re:disinfectant
Date:  96-09-23 15:32:35 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

Sometimes, you can find Lysol aerosol in the travel-size bins at pharmacies
I have also recieced a couple trial-size types in the mail.

 Also, you can get disinfectant handi-wipe type products at some pharmacies.
The alcohol rub things.  Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 16:03:30 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

DITTO!
A lot of food service workers are wearing plastic gloves now. But I always
wonder how often they change them and what else they do while they have the
gloves on. I wonder if it gives them a false sense of "security".....you
know, why bother washing, if you're going to put gloves on.
  - Adding one more thing to my worry list. ;)


           Oh thanks for that thought!!  :)   Now I have to add that to my
list too!  :)Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 16:03:30 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

DITTO!
A lot of food service workers are wearing plastic gloves now. But I always
wonder how often they change them and what else they do while they have the
gloves on. I wonder if it gives them a false sense of "security".....you
know, why bother washing, if you're going to put gloves on.
  - Adding one more thing to my worry list. ;)


           Oh thanks for that thought!!  :)   Now I have to add that to my
list too!  :)Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 16:03:30 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

DITTO!
A lot of food service workers are wearing plastic gloves now. But I always
wonder how often they change them and what else they do while they have the
gloves on. I wonder if it gives them a false sense of "security".....you
know, why bother washing, if you're going to put gloves on.
  - Adding one more thing to my worry list. ;)


           Oh thanks for that thought!!  :)   Now I have to add that to my
list too!  :)Subj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-23 16:09:09 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

How about, "Oh, BTW, I have hepatitus and just came out of that stall.  You
should probably wash your hands just in case."  And smile sweetly when you
say that, hon.

           LOL!!!  I gotta try that one!!!  :)  Well maybe I'll say the woman
who just left was telling me she had hepatitus and she used that stall!
Good one!!  :)Subj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-23 16:09:09 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

How about, "Oh, BTW, I have hepatitus and just came out of that stall.  You
should probably wash your hands just in case."  And smile sweetly when you
say that, hon.

           LOL!!!  I gotta try that one!!!  :)  Well maybe I'll say the woman
who just left was telling me she had hepatitus and she used that stall!
Good one!!  :)Subj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-23 16:09:09 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

How about, "Oh, BTW, I have hepatitus and just came out of that stall.  You
should probably wash your hands just in case."  And smile sweetly when you
say that, hon.

           LOL!!!  I gotta try that one!!!  :)  Well maybe I'll say the woman
who just left was telling me she had hepatitus and she used that stall!
Good one!!  :)Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 16:12:19 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

OK fine most people think Im off anyway so.....Well I dont want to sound like
Howard Hughs, although i wouldnt mind his money, but anyway!
I wash my hands after the bathroom deal, and I use a paper towel to open the
door to leave!  Yeah I wash my hands but I know someone didnt, and they used
that door! I carry one with incase they only have the air dryers!   I also
use tp on the seat and still do the  not sit down thing, paper just incase I
loose balance! I also use my foot to flush the toliet!
I change my baby on her blanket and fold it outside in and throw it in the
wash when I get home! [well in the laundry, wash it later!]

I know that other people handling my food dont care as much as I do, but I
have given that control up!  There is no sence in freaking over non control
items!!!
I figure that even when I eat fresh fruit and wash it there are chemicals and
yuck on it I wouldnt ever be able to wash off, in my food I cook it all the
way thru and hope for the best!

You would think I am a neat freak!  But Im not!  :)Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 16:12:19 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

OK fine most people think Im off anyway so.....Well I dont want to sound like
Howard Hughs, although i wouldnt mind his money, but anyway!
I wash my hands after the bathroom deal, and I use a paper towel to open the
door to leave!  Yeah I wash my hands but I know someone didnt, and they used
that door! I carry one with incase they only have the air dryers!   I also
use tp on the seat and still do the  not sit down thing, paper just incase I
loose balance! I also use my foot to flush the toliet!
I change my baby on her blanket and fold it outside in and throw it in the
wash when I get home! [well in the laundry, wash it later!]

I know that other people handling my food dont care as much as I do, but I
have given that control up!  There is no sence in freaking over non control
items!!!
I figure that even when I eat fresh fruit and wash it there are chemicals and
yuck on it I wouldnt ever be able to wash off, in my food I cook it all the
way thru and hope for the best!

You would think I am a neat freak!  But Im not!  :)Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 16:12:19 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

OK fine most people think Im off anyway so.....Well I dont want to sound like
Howard Hughs, although i wouldnt mind his money, but anyway!
I wash my hands after the bathroom deal, and I use a paper towel to open the
door to leave!  Yeah I wash my hands but I know someone didnt, and they used
that door! I carry one with incase they only have the air dryers!   I also
use tp on the seat and still do the  not sit down thing, paper just incase I
loose balance! I also use my foot to flush the toliet!
I change my baby on her blanket and fold it outside in and throw it in the
wash when I get home! [well in the laundry, wash it later!]

I know that other people handling my food dont care as much as I do, but I
have given that control up!  There is no sence in freaking over non control
items!!!
I figure that even when I eat fresh fruit and wash it there are chemicals and
yuck on it I wouldnt ever be able to wash off, in my food I cook it all the
way thru and hope for the best!

You would think I am a neat freak!  But Im not!  :)Subj:  Re: Housework
Date:  96-09-23 16:24:22 edt
From:  Dodop
Posted on:  America Online

::pushing laundry off the couch in order to sit down::Well, there has to be a
happy medium here.  It is a little known fact but June Cleaver was actually
institutionalized for brief periods (May-June 1960 and August-Sept. 1962) due
to the stress of running an immaculate home.  On the other hand, if you can't
find clean underpants for the kid and he hasn't been outside to play in a
couple months because of this, maybe you've gone a little too far in the
other direction.  I would say no more committee work until you've found some
middle ground. Subj:  Re: Housework
Date:  96-09-23 16:24:22 edt
From:  Dodop
Posted on:  America Online

::pushing laundry off the couch in order to sit down::Well, there has to be a
happy medium here.  It is a little known fact but June Cleaver was actually
institutionalized for brief periods (May-June 1960 and August-Sept. 1962) due
to the stress of running an immaculate home.  On the other hand, if you can't
find clean underpants for the kid and he hasn't been outside to play in a
couple months because of this, maybe you've gone a little too far in the
other direction.  I would say no more committee work until you've found some
middle ground. Subj:  Re: Housework
Date:  96-09-23 16:24:22 edt
From:  Dodop
Posted on:  America Online

::pushing laundry off the couch in order to sit down::Well, there has to be a
happy medium here.  It is a little known fact but June Cleaver was actually
institutionalized for brief periods (May-June 1960 and August-Sept. 1962) due
to the stress of running an immaculate home.  On the other hand, if you can't
find clean underpants for the kid and he hasn't been outside to play in a
couple months because of this, maybe you've gone a little too far in the
other direction.  I would say no more committee work until you've found some
middle ground. Subj:  Re: Housework
Date:  96-09-23 16:54:48 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<It is a little known fact but June Cleaver was actually institutionalized
for brief periods (May-June 1960 and August-Sept. 1962) due to the stress of
running an immaculate home.>>

And when she wasn't institutionalized, she was on Prozac. Another little
known fact.

LynnSubj:  Re: Housework
Date:  96-09-23 16:54:48 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<It is a little known fact but June Cleaver was actually institutionalized
for brief periods (May-June 1960 and August-Sept. 1962) due to the stress of
running an immaculate home.>>

And when she wasn't institutionalized, she was on Prozac. Another little
known fact.

LynnSubj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-23 17:01:07 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

Luv2BeaMom,

I think he must be shot (your husband, that is). Since we both work full
time, there's no question about my husband and I sharing in the less fun
tasks to be done around the house.

But when I've been SAHM-for-a-day-or-two because the preschool is closed, or
one of the kids is sick, my husband is amazed if I've managed to do
*anything* other than take care of the kids.

LynnSubj:  Re:A few thoughts/AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 17:02:30 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

Gwen,
        I don't take anything on this board personally....but I still think
those issues can be addressed.Subj:  Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 17:05:18 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

PisUoff,
           No need to use small words, thank you, my major in college was
American History and you can be assured I have the info.  I didn't read the
screen name until later.....still bad taste is bad taste whether humor or
serious.Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-23 17:38:11 edt
From:  SunnyDazy
Posted on:  America Online

<<Ever heard of Jabba the Hut from Star Wars?  Well folks, Jabba The Laundry
Pile lives in my basement!  No joke - anyone have a light saber I can
borrow???>>

Hey!  His twin lives in my bedroom!!!!  Somehow I manage to get the baby
clothes in the dresser and the towels away...but forget the rest!!!Subj:
Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 17:39:54 edt
From:  ONEWEEB
Posted on:  America Online

Amy,

I just wanted you to know that you are not the only one who did not enjoy the
original post, although it appears that we are in the minority.  Someone
earlier said that they had admired the poster's courage. How much courage
does it take to post something in an obviously fake name?  I think the
poster's response to your response was very belittling to you, and I know you
didn't deserve it.  As far as the poster's name, I've know of less offensive
names be TOSed.  Then again that's only my opinion and my dh says I don't
have a sense of humor anyway.

LisaSubj:  Re:divorce: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 17:55:25 edt
From:  Bible TnD
Posted on:  America Online

Actually it is possible to be married for 9 years without an argument. We had
one right before we were married that set the tone for the last nine years.
We had an argument about where we were going to live (we lived in different
states) it was quite heated and almost broke off the engagement. It wasn't
settled to my liking *he won*, so just to let him know how mad I was that the
issue was decided on who made the most money, I sold his corvette, well
actually I traded it off for a family car, but none the less, we have managed
over the years to talk alot before deciding anything. But that doesn't
exactly mean that we don't disagree, we just don't argue. If I do something
that he is upset about he'll tell me. If he does something that I don't like
I tell him. I suppose that it helps that we are both very busy. We both work,
I have aerobics 3 nights a week, he has drinks with the guys from work every
Friday evening. Thursday we bowl. I work part-time on the weekends for a
friend who just started her own business, and then there's the kids. He takes
the boys to baseball, football, basketball games or racing or whatever. The
girls enjoy museums, the mall etc. Sundays we take long drives.  But
basically, I had just separated from my ex when we started dating. My ex was
not a nice person, but I did learn a lot from him. I learned that I didn't
like the person I had become because of the fights, etc. My father told me I
couldn't blame it all on my ex, after all it still takes to people to fight.
(personally I think my ex *could* fight all by himself) but I realized that I
didn't need to yell or argue to get my point across.

BTW - I think I forgot to mention my DH and I were best friends for years and
had been roommates in college. (just friends) We probably knew more about
each others bad habits than most newlyweds do! There were definately no
surprises!!  :)Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 18:05:21 edt
From:  DEPORTEE
Posted on:  America Online

MOMS Judy,

Hey, I like your attitude. Leave it up. Leave 'em *all* up!

And to the couple of people who didn't see the humor in that post ... eek ...
you scare me, man....

PatriciaSubj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 18:12:31 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Roto vitrus is one of the leading causes of hospital admissions for children
in the U.S.  It also one of the leading killers of children worldwide.
Thankfully there may be an immunization available soon that will prevent the
spread of roto virus.  Not only is it cost-effective to wash your hands, it
saves lives.

KerrySubj:  Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 18:15:11 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<How much courage does it take to post something in an obviously fake
name?>>

Well, although you do sign your post Lisa, one can hardly call "ONEWEEB" an
authentic name.

I didn't find the original post offensive since it was obviously attempting
to be humorous; mildly amusing at best.

LynnSubj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 18:24:18 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Well, Excuse me!!!  I wash my hands every time I use the bathroom but I still
don't think it's anyone's rights to tell me to wash my hands.. I am an adult,
for God's sake!!  I can see that you would be concerned about viruses and
food service; do you watch the employees of restaraunts to make sure they
have washed their hands after they go to the bathroom?  I work food service
and can't think of anyone who doesn't wash their hands after they use the
facilities; most of us wash their hands every time we handle money (unless
it's busy, then we have a designated cashir so he/she doesn't handle money
and food).  I don't know- if someone walks out of the restroom and they have
some sort of tacky outfit, i would never say "excuse me, you forgot to turn
on the light this morning when you got dressed!" and I hope no one would say
it to me.  Whew!! I didn't mean to get so wordy!!  It just seems pretty
presumptious to say something like that to a grown person (just IMHO)
KaySubj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 18:28:25 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>>Well, Excuse me!!!  I wash my hands every time I use the bathroom but I
still don't think it's anyone's rights to tell me to wash my hands..>>


Freedom of speech is such a wonderful thing, isn't it?  Subj:  Re:Hand
washing
Date:  96-09-23 18:28:25 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>>Well, Excuse me!!!  I wash my hands every time I use the bathroom but I
still don't think it's anyone's rights to tell me to wash my hands..>>


Freedom of speech is such a wonderful thing, isn't it?  Subj:  What would you
do?
Date:  96-09-23 18:34:03 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Today while at the McDonald's playground I saw 2 carloads of girls pull into
the parking lot and start yelling at 2 other girls.  They were yelling
obscenities and threatening one of the other girls.  One of the girls walked
away, the other argued for a minute then started to walk away.  I could tell
by the look on her face that she was absolutely terrified.  There were other
people around but no one said a word.  I walked up to the group of girls
(about 10 girls, not age 10)) and said "Hey, i saw what you guys were doing
to that other girl, and I thought it was pretty mean"  I also said "It's
pretty easy to be brave when you have 9 other people with you" among some
other choice words.  What really amazed me is that no one else said a word!
I truly believe if I hadn't said something (and made a big show of getting
one car's license plate) that they would have beaten up this girl.  What is
wrong with people!! I know for a fact if my kids were acting like this I
would hope someone would say something and let me know about it!  I am so
sick of people's apathy!

Another sit (if I posted this before I apologize):  I was at the playground,
with my daycare ( I don't have a daycare anymore btw)  I was 8 months
pregnant.  A woman was there with her 1 yr old daughter, and a 5 yr old that
she cared for.  the one yr old was hit by the swing and was knocked
unconscious.  This woman totally wigged out-she was running around screaming,
shaking the baby and generally acting like a lunatic.  While this was all
going on I noticed mothers moving there kids away, and others packing up and
LEAVING THE PARK!  I grabbed this woman and literally got right in her face
and said "calm down" and "put the baby down" mind you, at this point I didn't
even know if the baby was breathing.  She could not be made to listen so I
made the decision to run to a nearby house, call 911, and then come back to
administer cpr or whatever was necessary.  I left the kids with a neighbor,
ran as fast as I could (at 8 mos preggers) and when I came back she was gone,
she had also left the 5 yr old at the park!  People need to make the decision
and get involved!


KerrySubj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-23 19:08:57 edt
From:  KHollo6994
Posted on:  America Online

Emily--I, too, am laundry impaired.  I like to blame the little chocolate
demons and stain devils.  I swear they go into my laundry room at night and
have little stain parties while I'm sleeping! <G>  Deep down, however, I know
it's my lot in life to have ruined shirts, because I haven't figured out how
to prevent them.  They don't even come out when I pretreat the little
suckers!  I have learned to never buy white...

KristaSubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-23 19:10:47 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

I would be like you and get involved.

The other day I was with my son (age 5) in a local bagel store.  We were
sitting down at a table near the register.  There were inbetween 7 and 10
people in line right next to us.  I got up to get a napkin which was right
around the corner.  As I was walking back I notice all these people looking
at my son, who fell off the chair.  He was having a hard time getting up.  I
said very loudly.  Don't worry I will HELP you!  Now, do you think any of
those people tried to help him up?  I was pi**ed!

I can't tell you how much I regret not looking at all the people in line and
saying something that would have made them feel like they were an inch
high.....Subj:  Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 19:16:11 edt
From:  ONEWEEBLE3
Posted on:  America Online

Considering Oneweeb is the name, or form of name, that everyone on MOL who
knows me, knows me as, I would consider it authentic.  I didn't make up this
name just to get a rise out of people on the boards (or whatever the purpose
was).  It's the name I use where ever I go on AOL, which is more than you
could probably say for that other name.

LisaSubj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 19:16:45 edt
From:  SunnyDazy
Posted on:  America Online

I have seen one of the worse examples of this.  When I still live in PA I was
a "Manager on Duty" (ie - I was in charge when the manager wasn't there).
There was a woman who worked in the Deli who would come in to the bathroom,
use it, and leave without washing her hands.  Grant it, they wear plastic
gloves in the Deli Department, but don't they have to put them on FIRST by
touching them with their BARE hands?!

Sunny :::cringing:::Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 19:24:46 edt
From:  BAGunter
Posted on:  America Online

I can't believe anyone would not recognize the "few thoughts " post as
anything but a joke-the screen name is also amusing, especially for this
folder.Subj:  Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 19:24:56 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<I just wanted you to know that you are not the only one who did not enjoy
the
original post, although it appears that we are in the minority.>>>

Make it a minority of 3. I wasn't offended, since it was obviously satire;
just didn't think it was funny.

<<<And to the couple of people who didn't see the humor in that post ... eek
... you scare me, man....>>>

Funny, I was just thinking that about all the people who found it hilarious
... A sense of humor is a highly personal thing ... you laugh at what you
like, I'll laugh at what I like ...

Ruth

Subj:  Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 19:27:01 edt
From:  ONEWEEBLE3
Posted on:  America Online

LOL Corriemom
Subj:  Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 19:27:49 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<< It's the name I use where ever I go on AOL, which is more than you could
probably say for that other name.>>

Lisa, I agree that whoever is posting as PisUOff or whatever it is most
likely has another screen name, and only uses that one to try to get a rise
out of people.

My point is, we are all anonymous in cyberspace. You have no idea who anyone
is or if they're telling the truth (I was totally fooled by this woman I met
on a board who used to IM me and tell me she was pregnant with triplets; it
turned out that this pregnant woman AND her husband were the inventions of a
teenaged girl- don't even ask how I found that out!). Anyway, in some sense
none of us is authentic; that's all I meant.

LynnSubj:  Re:divorce: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 19:32:45 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

I appreciate the explanation and I admire the excellent communication you two
seem to have, but I still don't get it.  I enjoy a good argument and I think
my dh and I clear the air with them.  We rarely "fight" but we disagree and
sometimes it gets heated....we certainly get angry.  So I guess what I want
to know is do you ever get angry with eachother?  And then how do you handle
it?

: )  AmySubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-23 19:35:13 edt
From:  BAGunter
Posted on:  America Online

Good for you Kerry.  It takes a lot of strength of character to act alone on
a strangers behalf.  I am one who believes that.  I'd like to believe I would
have done the same.Subj:  History
Date:  96-09-23 19:37:24 edt
From:  MMcroberts
Posted on:  America Online

Speaking of history.........

Dare I say I can't stand Black history month!  Why don't the book writers
just write the history the way it happened and let the kids learn about
history all together?  I don't think it is appropriate to make one type of
people special and think that it premotes the differences instead of the
similarities.

I like ONEWEEBLE's name! :)

AmySubj:  Sarcasm
Date:  96-09-23 19:42:32 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

Okay, first I apologize to all that I DIDN'T see the poster's name on the
original "A Few Thought"  Pardon me.  I recognized the post for it's "humor"
for the beginning but I thought the last part was less sarcastic and frankly
I had something to say about it.

This brings up sarcasm which as an art form I abandoned in junior high.  Oh,
I think a little well placed sarcasm can spice up life (and the more
sophisticated irony can be funny) but too much just rings of hostility and
*I* don't find it funny.

There is a lot of hostility on this board (it has a pretty bad reputation
online) and most of it is because there is so much nastiness.  I don't see
the Dare I Say It heading as an invitation to be personally critical or
bitingly sarcastic but as a invitation to bring up controversial or
outrageous issues or feelings and get some reactions.

Anyways, I will keep tuning in, because I think a lot of people on here are
funny or interesting but for those of you who are downright mean or
intolerant....your anonymity seems to be warping your manners.

AmySubj:  Doctors handwashing
Date:  96-09-23 19:45:00 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

At a medical conference a team of researchers hid in the bathrooms and
counted how many DOCTORS washed thier hands after using the bathroom.  Less
that 60% (I think) and if you think they all of a sudden remember to wash
just because they are about to examine you THINK AGAIN!

Ask them to wash IN FRONT OF YOU if you are unsure....Subj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-23 19:47:41 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

Amy (from another Amy!)

The reason we have Black History month is because black history has been
traditionally "forgotten" or ignored in textbooks.  America is made up of
many cultural and ethnic groups and I think it would be interesting to
highlight lots of them with "months".

It would be ideal to incorporate all cultures in the standard texts, though.

AmyMerSubj:  Hand washing and other signs
Date:  96-09-23 20:17:35 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

<<Well, Excuse me!!!  I wash my hands every time I use the bathroom but I
still don't think it's anyone's rights to tell me to wash my hands.. I am an
adult, for God's sake!! >>>
Well the reason for those stupid signs is pure and simple, well simple
anyway!  Simple minds, its the old lowest common denominator issue!  Like why
the warning label not to drink booze while pg, the reason is a simple person
drank a pint of Jack Daniels a day while pg, and her kid turned out with
alcohol syndrome!  She was shocked and sued JD!  AND WON!!!  there was a
label on ever since!    There is usually a stupid reason for most signs in
places, I mean what kind of Einstien does it take not to smoke at a gas
station?
    Dont take those signs personally!  Just laugh at them!!
Or how about the signs on the hair dryers not to use them in the shower!
DUH! really why???  The list goes on so far its not funny!    :)Subj:
Re:History
Date:  96-09-23 20:25:40 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

<<Dare I say I can't stand Black history month!>>

I totally agree with that and all the months of certain background or race!
I think we should learn and appreciate it all the time!
  Like Christmas sucks, people are only nice to each other once a year!  What
the blank is that?
Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-23 20:29:33 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Well not that I am the cloud of doom, but I am!  LOL
People dont want to get involved because they will get sued!  If your child
was hurt and someone moved him, and hurt him in the process, not on purpose!
He or she would be liable for injury!
Plus people dont want to get involved in most things due to inconvience!

Just the other day I was at the drs office, this little girl was lost.  She
is crying in a hallway of a downtown Chicago hospital, nurses walked by her.
She looked lost I asked her what the matter was as she was crying!  She said
she couldnt find her mommy!  I just took her back to my doctors office told
the nurse, she looked at me like what the hell am I suppose to do?     I said
maybe someone can help this little girl find her mommy?  Or call the other
offices and see if someone is missing!  HMMMM?  Hello!  Kids get seperated
from mommy I understand that, but nurses where just passing this little girl,
she couldnt of been more then 6 years old!

Subj:  You're not bad!!
Date:  96-09-23 20:47:49 edt
From:  MOMS Judy
Posted on:  America Online


Katharine de Baun (MOMS Kath) (the originator of this forum) wrote in  this
week's MO  Newsletter:

"When I'm in the mood for some feisty debate, there's no folder I'd rather
browse than The 'Dare I Say It?' folder on the Springboard.  Here I can read
opinionated and ultimately hilarious debates on how clean kids should be when
a Mom takes them shopping at Walmart, how to deal with rude neighbors, or
what to do about one's own political apathy.  It's fun to enjoy a Mom nipping
at someone's bad grammar only to get swamped with critique from Moms who are
proud to type with one hand while nursing -- forget spelling!  Best of all,
the hot-headed arguments in 'Dare I Say It?' somehow work in favor of
community rather than against it.  As SillyOneC writes, 'It's great to have a
safe place to just get real hormonal.'
"Many of the 'Dare I Say It' regulars feign total disgust with the folder at
least once ("Like I need another place in my life to listen to chvetching!"
writes SpudsMama).  Given the popularity of this folder (it fills up with 500
posts just about every week!), however, you can bet that most of these
tee-totalling Moms will be back to Dare and Say It again."<<

So, my dear friends, despite our alleged "bad reputation online" we can't be
*all* bad--or we wouldn't be so popular. Over the past weekend, I counted,
kept track and did some simple math...and learned that you posted here on an
average of one post every 28 minutes. We're trying to keep it tasteful--more
so than we have--but satire is allowed--and, no not everyone has to like
that.
  You've been doing great--keep it up. Keep it as daring as you can, without
going over the TOS Line. The "dare" is to be bold, not vulgar. Love you all.
Happy posting!Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-23 21:17:41 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Sillyone:

You can't be sued by someone you try to help (good samaritan)  in a medical
emergency.

KerrySubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 21:29:41 edt
From:  TNRs Mom
Posted on:  America Online

ROFLMBO!  Thanks for the good giggle :-)Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-23 21:29:41 edt
From:  TNRs Mom
Posted on:  America Online

ROFLMBO!  Thanks for the good giggle :-)Subj:  real? real?
Date:  96-09-23 21:41:28 edt
From:  Beanpaul
Posted on:  America Online

<<My point is, we are all anonymous in cyberspace. You have no idea who
anyone is or if they're telling the truth (I was totally fooled by this woman
I met on a board who used to IM me and tell me she was pregnant with
triplets; it turned out that this pregnant woman AND her husband were the
inventions of a teenaged girl- don't even ask how I found that out!). Anyway,
in some sense none of us is authentic; that's all I meant.

Lynn>>

ahhhhh, but lynn...i have met you...and you are very real!  now, truth be
told, there are some folks from cyberspace i've met that are real too..i was
just sorry i'd met them.  (not lynn...she's fab!)

bean (whose actually goes by bean in real life)Subj:  real? real?
Date:  96-09-23 21:41:28 edt
From:  Beanpaul
Posted on:  America Online

<<My point is, we are all anonymous in cyberspace. You have no idea who
anyone is or if they're telling the truth (I was totally fooled by this woman
I met on a board who used to IM me and tell me she was pregnant with
triplets; it turned out that this pregnant woman AND her husband were the
inventions of a teenaged girl- don't even ask how I found that out!). Anyway,
in some sense none of us is authentic; that's all I meant.

Lynn>>

ahhhhh, but lynn...i have met you...and you are very real!  now, truth be
told, there are some folks from cyberspace i've met that are real too..i was
just sorry i'd met them.  (not lynn...she's fab!)

bean (whose actually goes by bean in real life)Subj:  real? real?
Date:  96-09-23 21:41:28 edt
From:  Beanpaul
Posted on:  America Online

<<My point is, we are all anonymous in cyberspace. You have no idea who
anyone is or if they're telling the truth (I was totally fooled by this woman
I met on a board who used to IM me and tell me she was pregnant with
triplets; it turned out that this pregnant woman AND her husband were the
inventions of a teenaged girl- don't even ask how I found that out!). Anyway,
in some sense none of us is authentic; that's all I meant.

Lynn>>

ahhhhh, but lynn...i have met you...and you are very real!  now, truth be
told, there are some folks from cyberspace i've met that are real too..i was
just sorry i'd met them.  (not lynn...she's fab!)

bean (whose actually goes by bean in real life)Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty
Laund
Date:  96-09-23 21:56:08 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

KJ...one question.  How old are your kids?  Ours are 3 1/2 and 1 and while I
try for organization, most times the day just doesn't go as planned.  I'm
personally looking forward to when the baby can do a bit more on her own (in
another year :-)) and I can do more things w/o her so underfoot.  But for
now....dh gets what *I* would get if he stayed home for a day.  For example,
I was at a baby shower on Sunday for 5 hours.  10-3.  The baby was still in
jammies...the dishes were still in the sink unwashed...Sunday paper was
scattered everywhere...toys everywhere...etc.  BUT everyone was happy.  Baby
had napped.  DH and son had wrestled and "played" football.  While I was
washing up dishes and dh was with the baby our son went outside to play.  I
called out to dh to see where our son was outside and he actually said "how
can I keep track of everyone?"  I just snapped back "somehow I manage it and
wash dishes!"

Soooooo.....I DO relate to your point of wanting a neat house, clothes folded
and put away....etc.  It's just not a reality in a house with younger kids.
WELL, it is a reality in my friend's house, who is a super-neat freak (she
actually sweeps up the kitchen floor while you're still there after lunch,
and a mutual friend had to run back inside after a playdate to use the phone
when her van wouldn't start and the other friend was already vacuuming.)  Now
this is someone whose 18 mo is in the playpen for TWO hours in the morning.
She's also got a 3yo who somehow occupies himself during the time she's
cleaning, etc.  The baby is in the playpen for sometime in the afternoon, too
and the 3yo still naps for an hour.  Somehow I think this kind of mentality
is ingrained - her mom is the same way, and she wouldn't be able to relax at
all if the house wasn't perfect.  Her kids are only allowed in the family
room and the kitchen, btw.  Dining room and living room are off limits.  I
just don't get this.

And for dh to actually make a comment about the way the house looks without
being able to handle a shower and a meal for the baby is just pitiful!

LisaSubj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-23 21:56:08 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

KJ...one question.  How old are your kids?  Ours are 3 1/2 and 1 and while I
try for organization, most times the day just doesn't go as planned.  I'm
personally looking forward to when the baby can do a bit more on her own (in
another year :-)) and I can do more things w/o her so underfoot.  But for
now....dh gets what *I* would get if he stayed home for a day.  For example,
I was at a baby shower on Sunday for 5 hours.  10-3.  The baby was still in
jammies...the dishes were still in the sink unwashed...Sunday paper was
scattered everywhere...toys everywhere...etc.  BUT everyone was happy.  Baby
had napped.  DH and son had wrestled and "played" football.  While I was
washing up dishes and dh was with the baby our son went outside to play.  I
called out to dh to see where our son was outside and he actually said "how
can I keep track of everyone?"  I just snapped back "somehow I manage it and
wash dishes!"

Soooooo.....I DO relate to your point of wanting a neat house, clothes folded
and put away....etc.  It's just not a reality in a house with younger kids.
WELL, it is a reality in my friend's house, who is a super-neat freak (she
actually sweeps up the kitchen floor while you're still there after lunch,
and a mutual friend had to run back inside after a playdate to use the phone
when her van wouldn't start and the other friend was already vacuuming.)  Now
this is someone whose 18 mo is in the playpen for TWO hours in the morning.
She's also got a 3yo who somehow occupies himself during the time she's
cleaning, etc.  The baby is in the playpen for sometime in the afternoon, too
and the 3yo still naps for an hour.  Somehow I think this kind of mentality
is ingrained - her mom is the same way, and she wouldn't be able to relax at
all if the house wasn't perfect.  Her kids are only allowed in the family
room and the kitchen, btw.  Dining room and living room are off limits.  I
just don't get this.

And for dh to actually make a comment about the way the house looks without
being able to handle a shower and a meal for the baby is just pitiful!

LisaSubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 21:57:33 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<For people who don't wash-run after them and say, "I'm sorry, you forgot to
wash your hands!"  kind of the same way you'd say you left your purse on the
sink.>>

Really?  I'd just mind my own business and use the towel on the doorknob on
the way out if I felt the need.

LisaSubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 21:57:33 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<For people who don't wash-run after them and say, "I'm sorry, you forgot to
wash your hands!"  kind of the same way you'd say you left your purse on the
sink.>>

Really?  I'd just mind my own business and use the towel on the doorknob on
the way out if I felt the need.

LisaSubj:  Re:PMS
Date:  96-09-23 22:03:37 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<,Never said you werent nutso, just not alone!   LOL  :)
>>

Thanks Silly - ROTFLOL for the first time today!!

LISASubj:  Re:PMS
Date:  96-09-23 22:03:37 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<,Never said you werent nutso, just not alone!   LOL  :)
>>

Thanks Silly - ROTFLOL for the first time today!!

LISASubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 22:07:15 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

You know, now that our 3 1/2 yo son is potty trained (thank god!) we're now
dealing with the dreaded public toilets.  UGH!  And I can never get him to
NOT grab that seat and put it up.  GOD, the one he touched today made me want
to lysol him for an hour.  Needless to say we scrubbed and rinsed for quite a
while.  And he always wants to flush with his hand, which I always do with
my foot.  I've had plenty of women laugh from other stalls when I squeal in
horror "NO, DON'T TOUCH THAT, IT'S DIRTY!"   Ugh.

I always wash, have been a fastidious washer since the kids were born.  I
just can't see telling someone else to wash in a public bathroom - you'd
probably risk getting shot or something.

LisaSubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-23 22:07:15 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

You know, now that our 3 1/2 yo son is potty trained (thank god!) we're now
dealing with the dreaded public toilets.  UGH!  And I can never get him to
NOT grab that seat and put it up.  GOD, the one he touched today made me want
to lysol him for an hour.  Needless to say we scrubbed and rinsed for quite a
while.  And he always wants to flush with his hand, which I always do with
my foot.  I've had plenty of women laugh from other stalls when I squeal in
horror "NO, DON'T TOUCH THAT, IT'S DIRTY!"   Ugh.

I always wash, have been a fastidious washer since the kids were born.  I
just can't see telling someone else to wash in a public bathroom - you'd
probably risk getting shot or something.

LisaSubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-23 22:15:01 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

It's a tough world, isn't it Kerry?  In regards to the first situation with
the kids in the car....I give you credit for being so brave, but I'm not sure
I would have handled it quite that way.  I may have had the manager call the
cops....spoken with the threatened girl and given her help...just not
confronted 2 carloads of angry girls.  Girls are quite violent these days -
at least from the news I see.  This same type of incident occurred in
Philadelphia a year or so ago and a teenager wound up beaten up dead from it.
On the church steps, no less.  But I definitely would have  made my presence
known so that the threatening girls calmed down a bit.  I've even done this
wth the kids playing in the street in front of our house (kids I know or who
live in the neighborhood) if they're fighting or something.  As soon as I
walk close to the curb they clear out.

As for the second situation - you know what makes me nuts?  People who fall
apart at a situation like that one.  Now come on - keep your head for crying
out loud.  Is it really that difficult to do?  Whose emotions are more
important - yours or the physical condition and emoitons of the injured
party?  That just drives me nuts.  You did the right thing.  I feel badly for
the 5yo who was left at the park.  As for the people who packed up and left,
well, that's terrible.  At the least, call 911.

LisaSubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-23 22:15:01 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

It's a tough world, isn't it Kerry?  In regards to the first situation with
the kids in the car....I give you credit for being so brave, but I'm not sure
I would have handled it quite that way.  I may have had the manager call the
cops....spoken with the threatened girl and given her help...just not
confronted 2 carloads of angry girls.  Girls are quite violent these days -
at least from the news I see.  This same type of incident occurred in
Philadelphia a year or so ago and a teenager wound up beaten up dead from it.
On the church steps, no less.  But I definitely would have  made my presence
known so that the threatening girls calmed down a bit.  I've even done this
wth the kids playing in the street in front of our house (kids I know or who
live in the neighborhood) if they're fighting or something.  As soon as I
walk close to the curb they clear out.

As for the second situation - you know what makes me nuts?  People who fall
apart at a situation like that one.  Now come on - keep your head for crying
out loud.  Is it really that difficult to do?  Whose emotions are more
important - yours or the physical condition and emoitons of the injured
party?  That just drives me nuts.  You did the right thing.  I feel badly for
the 5yo who was left at the park.  As for the people who packed up and left,
well, that's terrible.  At the least, call 911.

LisaSubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-23 22:17:28 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Kj - you know what the really sad thing is about your son having trouble and
no one helping?  Some people (not you, and not me!) would actually have
yelled at someone for touching their son rather than thanking them for
helping him.  This may have caused some hesitation in people....whch is
terrible.  It's like I've heard some men say they wouldn't approach a child
when he/she looks like they're lost because they could be accused of
molestation or something.

LisaSubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-23 22:17:28 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Kj - you know what the really sad thing is about your son having trouble and
no one helping?  Some people (not you, and not me!) would actually have
yelled at someone for touching their son rather than thanking them for
helping him.  This may have caused some hesitation in people....whch is
terrible.  It's like I've heard some men say they wouldn't approach a child
when he/she looks like they're lost because they could be accused of
molestation or something.

LisaSubj:  Re:Hand washing and other si
Date:  96-09-23 22:30:41 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

>>Or how about the signs on the hair dryers not to use them in the shower!
DUH! really why???  The list goes on so far its not funny!    :)<<

I was reading the side of the box of Surf while doing laundry (not what I
would consider a hobby, but it caught my eye) and this is what it actually
said...

Step one - Start washer.  Step two - add detergent.  Step three - add clothes
(this is a very important step!) Step Four - Add Snuggle fabric softener
(yep, we make that too!)

Obviously, the people who make Surf realize that although necessary, spelling
out the directions can seem a little ridiculous!Subj:  Re:Hand washing and
other si
Date:  96-09-23 22:30:41 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

>>Or how about the signs on the hair dryers not to use them in the shower!
DUH! really why???  The list goes on so far its not funny!    :)<<

I was reading the side of the box of Surf while doing laundry (not what I
would consider a hobby, but it caught my eye) and this is what it actually
said...

Step one - Start washer.  Step two - add detergent.  Step three - add clothes
(this is a very important step!) Step Four - Add Snuggle fabric softener
(yep, we make that too!)

Obviously, the people who make Surf realize that although necessary, spelling
out the directions can seem a little ridiculous!Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-23 22:48:59 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Sillyone:
You can't be sued by someone you try to help (good samaritan)  in a medical
emergency.
Kerry>>

Go talk to a lawyer!   You will see that it happens all the time!  They dont
always win, but it costs ya big bucks to win ANY case!  Subj:  Re:What would
you do?
Date:  96-09-23 22:48:59 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Sillyone:
You can't be sued by someone you try to help (good samaritan)  in a medical
emergency.
Kerry>>

Go talk to a lawyer!   You will see that it happens all the time!  They dont
always win, but it costs ya big bucks to win ANY case!  Subj:  Re:A few
thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 23:28:11 edt
From:  DEPORTEE
Posted on:  America Online

<<Funny, I was just thinking that about all the people who found it hilarious
... A sense of humor is a highly personal thing ... you laugh at what you
like, I'll laugh at what I like ...>>

Well okay ... I'll do that. Thanks.Subj:  Re:A few thoughts: AmyMer
Date:  96-09-23 23:28:11 edt
From:  DEPORTEE
Posted on:  America Online

<<Funny, I was just thinking that about all the people who found it hilarious
... A sense of humor is a highly personal thing ... you laugh at what you
like, I'll laugh at what I like ...>>

Well okay ... I'll do that. Thanks.Subj:  Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-24 00:10:03 edt
From:  CWELLS31
Posted on:  America Online

I am absolutely livid at the casual approach that the schools in this country
take when it comes to teens and sexuality.  It seems that the majority of
schools teach "safe sex, safe sex!", and only touch briefly upon the safest
sex of all....abstinence.  The statistics are well-known...condoms and birth
control don't protect 100% against pregnancy, AIDS, or any other STD.  Why
would anyone want to take a chance, even a small one?  And why don't our
schools realize that by not emphasizing upon abstinence, they could be
unwittingly subjecting our kids to exposure to these tragedies.  True, there
are many kids having protected sex, but I think it's a shame that these kids
aren't educated enough to realize that there is ALWAYS a chance that their
chosen method will fail....with the exception of abstinence.  I fear for the
lives and futures of our children.

CWELLS31Subj:  Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-24 00:10:03 edt
From:  CWELLS31
Posted on:  America Online

I am absolutely livid at the casual approach that the schools in this country
take when it comes to teens and sexuality.  It seems that the majority of
schools teach "safe sex, safe sex!", and only touch briefly upon the safest
sex of all....abstinence.  The statistics are well-known...condoms and birth
control don't protect 100% against pregnancy, AIDS, or any other STD.  Why
would anyone want to take a chance, even a small one?  And why don't our
schools realize that by not emphasizing upon abstinence, they could be
unwittingly subjecting our kids to exposure to these tragedies.  True, there
are many kids having protected sex, but I think it's a shame that these kids
aren't educated enough to realize that there is ALWAYS a chance that their
chosen method will fail....with the exception of abstinence.  I fear for the
lives and futures of our children.

CWELLS31Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 00:13:24 edt
From:  CWELLS31
Posted on:  America Online

Kerry, you go girl!  We should all look to you as an example!  Thanks for
your message!

CWELLS31Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 00:13:24 edt
From:  CWELLS31
Posted on:  America Online

Kerry, you go girl!  We should all look to you as an example!  Thanks for
your message!

CWELLS31Subj:  computer help please
Date:  96-09-24 01:46:29 edt
From:  SingerLA
Posted on:  America Online

Please advise:  I don't know how to format a disk for my IBM compatible so I
can save something on it.  I hope I don't sound stupid but I really don't
know how to do it. I tried putting the disk in and saving the document but it
didn't work. My son and his friends just moved to their respective colleges,
so they are not here to show me how. Thank you for any guidance anyone has.
I know this is not the right place to post this message but I also know that
I can rely on other Moms to help me out! Thanks.Subj:  computer help please
Date:  96-09-24 01:46:29 edt
From:  SingerLA
Posted on:  America Online

Please advise:  I don't know how to format a disk for my IBM compatible so I
can save something on it.  I hope I don't sound stupid but I really don't
know how to do it. I tried putting the disk in and saving the document but it
didn't work. My son and his friends just moved to their respective colleges,
so they are not here to show me how. Thank you for any guidance anyone has.
I know this is not the right place to post this message but I also know that
I can rely on other Moms to help me out! Thanks.Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-24 04:20:35 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>> I also use my foot to flush the toliet! I change my baby on her blanket
and fold it outside in and throw it in the wash when I get home! [well in the
laundry, wash it later!]<<

Hahaha, I do the EXACT same thing you do!  I always carry and extra blanky
with my diaper bag just incase that I have to change my baby and there are no
changing areas (which is VERY rare where I live by the way, apparently we go
to all the family restaurants where the management has heard moms' opinions
on this matter).  Yep, the foot too, I'm not putting my hand there!!

As for saying things when they leave, I have been know to say as the
non-washer is going out the door: "Oh GROSS!!!"  Because, well, this is
really how I feel and sometimes I need to let it be known.
Oh, humming the Hepititis song is a good one too!  "Wash your hands after
going to the Bathroom, wash your hands after changing baby too".  Everyone
know that one?

I started doing that after my sister-in-law got Hepititis after eating a
salad at a restaurant.  Guess what the worker forgot to do?  After seeing her
suffer through that, you can guarantee that I am a regular
handwasher!!!!Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-24 04:20:35 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>> I also use my foot to flush the toliet! I change my baby on her blanket
and fold it outside in and throw it in the wash when I get home! [well in the
laundry, wash it later!]<<

Hahaha, I do the EXACT same thing you do!  I always carry and extra blanky
with my diaper bag just incase that I have to change my baby and there are no
changing areas (which is VERY rare where I live by the way, apparently we go
to all the family restaurants where the management has heard moms' opinions
on this matter).  Yep, the foot too, I'm not putting my hand there!!

As for saying things when they leave, I have been know to say as the
non-washer is going out the door: "Oh GROSS!!!"  Because, well, this is
really how I feel and sometimes I need to let it be known.
Oh, humming the Hepititis song is a good one too!  "Wash your hands after
going to the Bathroom, wash your hands after changing baby too".  Everyone
know that one?

I started doing that after my sister-in-law got Hepititis after eating a
salad at a restaurant.  Guess what the worker forgot to do?  After seeing her
suffer through that, you can guarantee that I am a regular
handwasher!!!!Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 04:24:12 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>Hey!  His twin lives in my bedroom!!!!  Somehow I manage to get the baby
clothes in the dresser and the towels away...but forget the rest!!!<<

Hey, maybe we are twins!!  Towels NEED to be put away, as well as the baby
clothes...besides baby clothes are so fun to fold and look at, they are so
little!  Everything else just happens to linger in the laundry basket until
used.....oops.

And by the way my son does have a light saber....you can get Luke's
lightsaber at toy stores now!!!  Use the force!Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty
Laund
Date:  96-09-24 04:24:12 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>Hey!  His twin lives in my bedroom!!!!  Somehow I manage to get the baby
clothes in the dresser and the towels away...but forget the rest!!!<<

Hey, maybe we are twins!!  Towels NEED to be put away, as well as the baby
clothes...besides baby clothes are so fun to fold and look at, they are so
little!  Everything else just happens to linger in the laundry basket until
used.....oops.

And by the way my son does have a light saber....you can get Luke's
lightsaber at toy stores now!!!  Use the force!Subj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-24 04:30:55 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>> do you watch the employees of restaraunts to make sure they have washed
their hands after they go to the bathroom? <<

If I was in the bathroom with an employee and I saw that they did not wash
their hands, I would REPORT them to the management.
Especially when you see the big signs in the restroom telling employees to
wash their hands.

As for>> It just seems pretty presumptious to say something like that to a
grown person (just IMHO)<<

Two words: Health hazard.

If You would be infecting me by doing such a selfish thing, you bet I would
comment!!
I've seen the problems that such unhygenic(is that a word?) actions
cause.Subj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-24 04:30:55 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>> do you watch the employees of restaraunts to make sure they have washed
their hands after they go to the bathroom? <<

If I was in the bathroom with an employee and I saw that they did not wash
their hands, I would REPORT them to the management.
Especially when you see the big signs in the restroom telling employees to
wash their hands.

As for>> It just seems pretty presumptious to say something like that to a
grown person (just IMHO)<<

Two words: Health hazard.

If You would be infecting me by doing such a selfish thing, you bet I would
comment!!
I've seen the problems that such unhygenic(is that a word?) actions
cause.Subj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-24 04:30:55 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>> do you watch the employees of restaraunts to make sure they have washed
their hands after they go to the bathroom? <<

If I was in the bathroom with an employee and I saw that they did not wash
their hands, I would REPORT them to the management.
Especially when you see the big signs in the restroom telling employees to
wash their hands.

As for>> It just seems pretty presumptious to say something like that to a
grown person (just IMHO)<<

Two words: Health hazard.

If You would be infecting me by doing such a selfish thing, you bet I would
comment!!
I've seen the problems that such unhygenic(is that a word?) actions
cause.Subj:  She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 04:43:01 edt
From:  AGill27
Posted on:  America Online

This was a TV movie on last night that I induldged in. The main character
went to a frat party, got very drunk, and was hanging out with a frat
brother.  He had been 'targeting' her all along.  Anyhow, he got her upstairs
and on his bed.  They kissed, and then he raped her.

My question:  how much of the responsibility was hers, getting drunk and
vulnerable? I say almost none. This was not a case where a girl got drunk and
got talked into having sex and woke up the next day and regretted it (that
happens all the time on a college campus).  She did put herself in a bad
situation, but he physically forced her.  Date rape is a huge crime on
campus.  Also more common, probably, is 'getting' girls drunk and having them
lose inhibitions etc.  As mothers of daughters and sons, what do we do?Subj:
She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 04:43:01 edt
From:  AGill27
Posted on:  America Online

This was a TV movie on last night that I induldged in. The main character
went to a frat party, got very drunk, and was hanging out with a frat
brother.  He had been 'targeting' her all along.  Anyhow, he got her upstairs
and on his bed.  They kissed, and then he raped her.

My question:  how much of the responsibility was hers, getting drunk and
vulnerable? I say almost none. This was not a case where a girl got drunk and
got talked into having sex and woke up the next day and regretted it (that
happens all the time on a college campus).  She did put herself in a bad
situation, but he physically forced her.  Date rape is a huge crime on
campus.  Also more common, probably, is 'getting' girls drunk and having them
lose inhibitions etc.  As mothers of daughters and sons, what do we do?Subj:
She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 04:43:01 edt
From:  AGill27
Posted on:  America Online

This was a TV movie on last night that I induldged in. The main character
went to a frat party, got very drunk, and was hanging out with a frat
brother.  He had been 'targeting' her all along.  Anyhow, he got her upstairs
and on his bed.  They kissed, and then he raped her.

My question:  how much of the responsibility was hers, getting drunk and
vulnerable? I say almost none. This was not a case where a girl got drunk and
got talked into having sex and woke up the next day and regretted it (that
happens all the time on a college campus).  She did put herself in a bad
situation, but he physically forced her.  Date rape is a huge crime on
campus.  Also more common, probably, is 'getting' girls drunk and having them
lose inhibitions etc.  As mothers of daughters and sons, what do we do?Subj:
She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 04:43:01 edt
From:  AGill27
Posted on:  America Online

This was a TV movie on last night that I induldged in. The main character
went to a frat party, got very drunk, and was hanging out with a frat
brother.  He had been 'targeting' her all along.  Anyhow, he got her upstairs
and on his bed.  They kissed, and then he raped her.

My question:  how much of the responsibility was hers, getting drunk and
vulnerable? I say almost none. This was not a case where a girl got drunk and
got talked into having sex and woke up the next day and regretted it (that
happens all the time on a college campus).  She did put herself in a bad
situation, but he physically forced her.  Date rape is a huge crime on
campus.  Also more common, probably, is 'getting' girls drunk and having them
lose inhibitions etc.  As mothers of daughters and sons, what do we do?Subj:
Re:Doctors handwashing
Date:  96-09-24 04:43:19 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>At a medical conference a team of researchers hid in the bathrooms and
counted how many DOCTORS washed thier hands after using the bathroom.  Less
that 60% (I think) and if you think they all of a sudden remember to wash
just because they are about to examine you THINK AGAIN!<<

I wonder how many of these doctors were women.....Subj:  Re:Doctors
handwashing
Date:  96-09-24 04:43:19 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>At a medical conference a team of researchers hid in the bathrooms and
counted how many DOCTORS washed thier hands after using the bathroom.  Less
that 60% (I think) and if you think they all of a sudden remember to wash
just because they are about to examine you THINK AGAIN!<<

I wonder how many of these doctors were women.....Subj:  Re:Doctors
handwashing
Date:  96-09-24 04:43:19 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>At a medical conference a team of researchers hid in the bathrooms and
counted how many DOCTORS washed thier hands after using the bathroom.  Less
that 60% (I think) and if you think they all of a sudden remember to wash
just because they are about to examine you THINK AGAIN!<<

I wonder how many of these doctors were women.....Subj:  Re:Doctors
handwashing
Date:  96-09-24 04:43:19 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>At a medical conference a team of researchers hid in the bathrooms and
counted how many DOCTORS washed thier hands after using the bathroom.  Less
that 60% (I think) and if you think they all of a sudden remember to wash
just because they are about to examine you THINK AGAIN!<<

I wonder how many of these doctors were women.....Subj:  chocolate stains
Date:  96-09-24 04:43:37 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>> I have learned to never buy white...<<

Oh, but white is the BEST color for such things.  I just get out my
handy-dandy bleach bottle and bleach that puppy out.  Can't do that with red
or yellow or blue or....

Subj:  chocolate stains
Date:  96-09-24 04:43:37 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>> I have learned to never buy white...<<

Oh, but white is the BEST color for such things.  I just get out my
handy-dandy bleach bottle and bleach that puppy out.  Can't do that with red
or yellow or blue or....

Subj:  chocolate stains
Date:  96-09-24 04:43:37 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>> I have learned to never buy white...<<

Oh, but white is the BEST color for such things.  I just get out my
handy-dandy bleach bottle and bleach that puppy out.  Can't do that with red
or yellow or blue or....

Subj:  so many posts
Date:  96-09-24 04:45:31 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

Well now that I have posted more messages than I care admit on this folder, I
would like to thank all of you for such good topics!
Glad to see that we are all being "chummy" again.Subj:  so many posts
Date:  96-09-24 04:45:31 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

Well now that I have posted more messages than I care admit on this folder, I
would like to thank all of you for such good topics!
Glad to see that we are all being "chummy" again.Subj:  so many posts
Date:  96-09-24 04:45:31 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

Well now that I have posted more messages than I care admit on this folder, I
would like to thank all of you for such good topics!
Glad to see that we are all being "chummy" again.Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 04:49:58 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Keep posting the sarcasm, please!!! I think that everyone has a right to
their own opinion regarding whether or not this is funny (personally, I love
humor of all kinds, from satire to slapstick), but please keep the posts so
we have the *opportunity* to decide for ourselves.  I would be willing to bet
my aol account that the Hr2pisUOff poster is a regular here!  Anyone want to
confess??
Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 04:49:58 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Keep posting the sarcasm, please!!! I think that everyone has a right to
their own opinion regarding whether or not this is funny (personally, I love
humor of all kinds, from satire to slapstick), but please keep the posts so
we have the *opportunity* to decide for ourselves.  I would be willing to bet
my aol account that the Hr2pisUOff poster is a regular here!  Anyone want to
confess??
Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 04:52:04 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


Lisa, Anita, Lynn, etc. thanks for offering me the understanding that I was
looking for when I posted my vent!!  Yes, dh is VERY spoiled, so much so that
I have created a bit of a monster I am afraid (prior to having a baby that
is).  Now that so much of my time and energy goes to being a mommy,  there
just isn't enough for everything dh got used to and he is having a tough time
adjusting.   I guess I am still making it a little too *easy* since having to
get a towel, a diaper, jammies and a tippy cup are such a HUGE deal to him!!
:)

I normally take care of all these things.  He tells me he's getting in the
shower, and I then get towels (even if there are stacks of them in the linen
closet), jammies, etc. ready.  When shower is finished, dh yells for me and I
go and get our son, dry and dress him, etc.  I keep diapers in two locations
in our home, dh chooses only to use the supplies that are kept in the family
room (guess it is too far to walk to son's room!!)  and frequently uses the
last diaper (roll of t.p., slice of bread, etc.) without re-stocking or at
least telling me!!  I keep back ups of everything in the garage, all very
well organized in cupboards, so it is not tough to find them.  And, had he
ever done a load of laundry, he would be real clear on where the washer and
dryer are and laundry baskets, too, tho' they are tough to spot sitting there
right next to the back door! LOL.   As for keeping a clean house, that  is
not something he complains about as I keep a very nice home.

And, KJ5683, FYI, "what I was doing all day" was taking my son to his play
group, followed by a trip to the market to stock up on groceries, which is
not easy task with an active, curious 21 mo.!!  After unpacking groceries, it
was "art time" (something we do almost daily, which ranges from crayons to
fingerpainting to playdough), followed by a "second" lunch (playgroup is not
conducive to little appetites), then reading time (another routine we repeat
several times daily).  Then, I watched the 22 mo. son of a friend while she
went to the doctor and her appt. ran late, so I was tied up longer than
anticipated, even tho' my son napped during part of this time.  I was behind
on laundry because we had had house guests over the weekend and I chose to
spend my time with them instead of in the garage!!  Shall I go on?  (Wow,
this reminds me of some of my conversations with dh!!)

I agree that SAHMs should take care of their homes and families, but I think
that the child(ren) comes first, and if that means putting other chores aside
for a day or two, so be it.  As for my dh being upset, I think it was
ridiculous for him to make such an issue out of such minor stuff.  And, from
the posts I have read, most other moms agree.  If I sound defensive, it's
because I am and tho' your post was not directed at me "personally" it just
pi**ed me off all the same, because it supports this neanderthal idea that
women are responsible for everything when it comes to kids and home.  If dh
went to a meeting, he sure wouldn't have anything ready for me or even give
it a thought.

But, hey, before you guys all get the wrong idea, he's not such a bad guy.  I
showed him some of the posts here (not yours KJ :) ) tonight and he actually
washed off the dinner dishes and stacked them in the sink (so I could load
them in the d/w.)    And, his job allows me to be a sahm, for which I am very
grateful as I cannot imagine being away from my son for even a day.   Plus,
he did bring me roses today and a really sweet card saying he had been a
little "grouchy" lately!!  AND, he also said he was real proud of me for
volunteering for the board position (you can't get elected when no one else
wants it!!) and would be happy to "babysit" when I have meetings!!  (Was it
MommsAnita that said why is that dh babysits and it's a huge deal???)
I smiled and told him thank you so much and gave him a big kiss and then
served him *another* good dinner!!

P.S.  The June Cleaver bit was tongue-in-cheek, and was meant as a joke.Subj:
Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 04:52:04 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


Lisa, Anita, Lynn, etc. thanks for offering me the understanding that I was
looking for when I posted my vent!!  Yes, dh is VERY spoiled, so much so that
I have created a bit of a monster I am afraid (prior to having a baby that
is).  Now that so much of my time and energy goes to being a mommy,  there
just isn't enough for everything dh got used to and he is having a tough time
adjusting.   I guess I am still making it a little too *easy* since having to
get a towel, a diaper, jammies and a tippy cup are such a HUGE deal to him!!
:)

I normally take care of all these things.  He tells me he's getting in the
shower, and I then get towels (even if there are stacks of them in the linen
closet), jammies, etc. ready.  When shower is finished, dh yells for me and I
go and get our son, dry and dress him, etc.  I keep diapers in two locations
in our home, dh chooses only to use the supplies that are kept in the family
room (guess it is too far to walk to son's room!!)  and frequently uses the
last diaper (roll of t.p., slice of bread, etc.) without re-stocking or at
least telling me!!  I keep back ups of everything in the garage, all very
well organized in cupboards, so it is not tough to find them.  And, had he
ever done a load of laundry, he would be real clear on where the washer and
dryer are and laundry baskets, too, tho' they are tough to spot sitting there
right next to the back door! LOL.   As for keeping a clean house, that  is
not something he complains about as I keep a very nice home.

And, KJ5683, FYI, "what I was doing all day" was taking my son to his play
group, followed by a trip to the market to stock up on groceries, which is
not easy task with an active, curious 21 mo.!!  After unpacking groceries, it
was "art time" (something we do almost daily, which ranges from crayons to
fingerpainting to playdough), followed by a "second" lunch (playgroup is not
conducive to little appetites), then reading time (another routine we repeat
several times daily).  Then, I watched the 22 mo. son of a friend while she
went to the doctor and her appt. ran late, so I was tied up longer than
anticipated, even tho' my son napped during part of this time.  I was behind
on laundry because we had had house guests over the weekend and I chose to
spend my time with them instead of in the garage!!  Shall I go on?  (Wow,
this reminds me of some of my conversations with dh!!)

I agree that SAHMs should take care of their homes and families, but I think
that the child(ren) comes first, and if that means putting other chores aside
for a day or two, so be it.  As for my dh being upset, I think it was
ridiculous for him to make such an issue out of such minor stuff.  And, from
the posts I have read, most other moms agree.  If I sound defensive, it's
because I am and tho' your post was not directed at me "personally" it just
pi**ed me off all the same, because it supports this neanderthal idea that
women are responsible for everything when it comes to kids and home.  If dh
went to a meeting, he sure wouldn't have anything ready for me or even give
it a thought.

But, hey, before you guys all get the wrong idea, he's not such a bad guy.  I
showed him some of the posts here (not yours KJ :) ) tonight and he actually
washed off the dinner dishes and stacked them in the sink (so I could load
them in the d/w.)    And, his job allows me to be a sahm, for which I am very
grateful as I cannot imagine being away from my son for even a day.   Plus,
he did bring me roses today and a really sweet card saying he had been a
little "grouchy" lately!!  AND, he also said he was real proud of me for
volunteering for the board position (you can't get elected when no one else
wants it!!) and would be happy to "babysit" when I have meetings!!  (Was it
MommsAnita that said why is that dh babysits and it's a huge deal???)
I smiled and told him thank you so much and gave him a big kiss and then
served him *another* good dinner!!

P.S.  The June Cleaver bit was tongue-in-cheek, and was meant as a joke.Subj:
Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 04:52:04 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


Lisa, Anita, Lynn, etc. thanks for offering me the understanding that I was
looking for when I posted my vent!!  Yes, dh is VERY spoiled, so much so that
I have created a bit of a monster I am afraid (prior to having a baby that
is).  Now that so much of my time and energy goes to being a mommy,  there
just isn't enough for everything dh got used to and he is having a tough time
adjusting.   I guess I am still making it a little too *easy* since having to
get a towel, a diaper, jammies and a tippy cup are such a HUGE deal to him!!
:)

I normally take care of all these things.  He tells me he's getting in the
shower, and I then get towels (even if there are stacks of them in the linen
closet), jammies, etc. ready.  When shower is finished, dh yells for me and I
go and get our son, dry and dress him, etc.  I keep diapers in two locations
in our home, dh chooses only to use the supplies that are kept in the family
room (guess it is too far to walk to son's room!!)  and frequently uses the
last diaper (roll of t.p., slice of bread, etc.) without re-stocking or at
least telling me!!  I keep back ups of everything in the garage, all very
well organized in cupboards, so it is not tough to find them.  And, had he
ever done a load of laundry, he would be real clear on where the washer and
dryer are and laundry baskets, too, tho' they are tough to spot sitting there
right next to the back door! LOL.   As for keeping a clean house, that  is
not something he complains about as I keep a very nice home.

And, KJ5683, FYI, "what I was doing all day" was taking my son to his play
group, followed by a trip to the market to stock up on groceries, which is
not easy task with an active, curious 21 mo.!!  After unpacking groceries, it
was "art time" (something we do almost daily, which ranges from crayons to
fingerpainting to playdough), followed by a "second" lunch (playgroup is not
conducive to little appetites), then reading time (another routine we repeat
several times daily).  Then, I watched the 22 mo. son of a friend while she
went to the doctor and her appt. ran late, so I was tied up longer than
anticipated, even tho' my son napped during part of this time.  I was behind
on laundry because we had had house guests over the weekend and I chose to
spend my time with them instead of in the garage!!  Shall I go on?  (Wow,
this reminds me of some of my conversations with dh!!)

I agree that SAHMs should take care of their homes and families, but I think
that the child(ren) comes first, and if that means putting other chores aside
for a day or two, so be it.  As for my dh being upset, I think it was
ridiculous for him to make such an issue out of such minor stuff.  And, from
the posts I have read, most other moms agree.  If I sound defensive, it's
because I am and tho' your post was not directed at me "personally" it just
pi**ed me off all the same, because it supports this neanderthal idea that
women are responsible for everything when it comes to kids and home.  If dh
went to a meeting, he sure wouldn't have anything ready for me or even give
it a thought.

But, hey, before you guys all get the wrong idea, he's not such a bad guy.  I
showed him some of the posts here (not yours KJ :) ) tonight and he actually
washed off the dinner dishes and stacked them in the sink (so I could load
them in the d/w.)    And, his job allows me to be a sahm, for which I am very
grateful as I cannot imagine being away from my son for even a day.   Plus,
he did bring me roses today and a really sweet card saying he had been a
little "grouchy" lately!!  AND, he also said he was real proud of me for
volunteering for the board position (you can't get elected when no one else
wants it!!) and would be happy to "babysit" when I have meetings!!  (Was it
MommsAnita that said why is that dh babysits and it's a huge deal???)
I smiled and told him thank you so much and gave him a big kiss and then
served him *another* good dinner!!

P.S.  The June Cleaver bit was tongue-in-cheek, and was meant as a joke.Subj:
Who Needs Sleep, Anyway?
Date:  96-09-24 04:52:42 edt
From:  DBLTRBL4ME
Posted on:  America Online

I've always been a nightowl, but I honestly never realized that moms NEVER
get to sleep!!
     when I had my twins I figured that life as I know it had come to an end.
Boy was  I right!!  Looked like a zombie for months!  I thought that when
they were a little older I would actually get some rest, but then they potty
trained.  If anyone tells you that it makes life easier, DON'T BELIEVE THEM!!
Now they're up at least once a night, I wander into dreamland about 3:15, and
the kids are up by 7:30.  Now they're starting to eliminate their afternoon
nap - GOD HE-E-E-LP ME-E-E-E-!!!Subj:  Who Needs Sleep, Anyway?
Date:  96-09-24 04:52:42 edt
From:  DBLTRBL4ME
Posted on:  America Online

I've always been a nightowl, but I honestly never realized that moms NEVER
get to sleep!!
     when I had my twins I figured that life as I know it had come to an end.
Boy was  I right!!  Looked like a zombie for months!  I thought that when
they were a little older I would actually get some rest, but then they potty
trained.  If anyone tells you that it makes life easier, DON'T BELIEVE THEM!!
Now they're up at least once a night, I wander into dreamland about 3:15, and
the kids are up by 7:30.  Now they're starting to eliminate their afternoon
nap - GOD HE-E-E-LP ME-E-E-E-!!!Subj:  Who Needs Sleep, Anyway?
Date:  96-09-24 04:52:42 edt
From:  DBLTRBL4ME
Posted on:  America Online

I've always been a nightowl, but I honestly never realized that moms NEVER
get to sleep!!
     when I had my twins I figured that life as I know it had come to an end.
Boy was  I right!!  Looked like a zombie for months!  I thought that when
they were a little older I would actually get some rest, but then they potty
trained.  If anyone tells you that it makes life easier, DON'T BELIEVE THEM!!
Now they're up at least once a night, I wander into dreamland about 3:15, and
the kids are up by 7:30.  Now they're starting to eliminate their afternoon
nap - GOD HE-E-E-LP ME-E-E-E-!!!Subj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-24 04:54:11 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Hey, before you go running up to someone telling them they forgot to wash
their hands, better follow them and see what they do after they leave, or you
may be in for a big embarrassment!   Often times I find the sink area in
public restrooms so disgusting that I do not wash my hands at them.  I always
carry antibacterial wipes, as well as babywipes, and frequently use these,
rather than just cold water and one of those dryers.  Why don't I always wash
my hands in the bathroom where you can see?  Because a lot of times my purse
or diaper bag are out at the table or in the stroller or in the car.  Just
want to save any of you the bother of "reminding" me.

As for being concerned about the spread of disease by daycare workers, food
handlers and the like, this is a legitimate concern.   Many viruses and
bacteria can be transmitted by dirty hands.  Unfortunately, there is no way
we can monitor this satisfactorily.  If you or someone you care for is at a
higher than normal risk for communicable disease, I would strongly advise
keeping them out of situations that could increase their exposure to
dangerous bugs.  Otherwise, we all just sort of have to take our chances and
hope for the best.
Subj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-24 04:54:11 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Hey, before you go running up to someone telling them they forgot to wash
their hands, better follow them and see what they do after they leave, or you
may be in for a big embarrassment!   Often times I find the sink area in
public restrooms so disgusting that I do not wash my hands at them.  I always
carry antibacterial wipes, as well as babywipes, and frequently use these,
rather than just cold water and one of those dryers.  Why don't I always wash
my hands in the bathroom where you can see?  Because a lot of times my purse
or diaper bag are out at the table or in the stroller or in the car.  Just
want to save any of you the bother of "reminding" me.

As for being concerned about the spread of disease by daycare workers, food
handlers and the like, this is a legitimate concern.   Many viruses and
bacteria can be transmitted by dirty hands.  Unfortunately, there is no way
we can monitor this satisfactorily.  If you or someone you care for is at a
higher than normal risk for communicable disease, I would strongly advise
keeping them out of situations that could increase their exposure to
dangerous bugs.  Otherwise, we all just sort of have to take our chances and
hope for the best.
Subj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-24 04:54:11 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Hey, before you go running up to someone telling them they forgot to wash
their hands, better follow them and see what they do after they leave, or you
may be in for a big embarrassment!   Often times I find the sink area in
public restrooms so disgusting that I do not wash my hands at them.  I always
carry antibacterial wipes, as well as babywipes, and frequently use these,
rather than just cold water and one of those dryers.  Why don't I always wash
my hands in the bathroom where you can see?  Because a lot of times my purse
or diaper bag are out at the table or in the stroller or in the car.  Just
want to save any of you the bother of "reminding" me.

As for being concerned about the spread of disease by daycare workers, food
handlers and the like, this is a legitimate concern.   Many viruses and
bacteria can be transmitted by dirty hands.  Unfortunately, there is no way
we can monitor this satisfactorily.  If you or someone you care for is at a
higher than normal risk for communicable disease, I would strongly advise
keeping them out of situations that could increase their exposure to
dangerous bugs.  Otherwise, we all just sort of have to take our chances and
hope for the best.
Subj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-24 04:54:11 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Hey, before you go running up to someone telling them they forgot to wash
their hands, better follow them and see what they do after they leave, or you
may be in for a big embarrassment!   Often times I find the sink area in
public restrooms so disgusting that I do not wash my hands at them.  I always
carry antibacterial wipes, as well as babywipes, and frequently use these,
rather than just cold water and one of those dryers.  Why don't I always wash
my hands in the bathroom where you can see?  Because a lot of times my purse
or diaper bag are out at the table or in the stroller or in the car.  Just
want to save any of you the bother of "reminding" me.

As for being concerned about the spread of disease by daycare workers, food
handlers and the like, this is a legitimate concern.   Many viruses and
bacteria can be transmitted by dirty hands.  Unfortunately, there is no way
we can monitor this satisfactorily.  If you or someone you care for is at a
higher than normal risk for communicable disease, I would strongly advise
keeping them out of situations that could increase their exposure to
dangerous bugs.  Otherwise, we all just sort of have to take our chances and
hope for the best.
Subj:  Re:Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-24 04:55:28 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


Either the laws are different here in California or a lot of restaurants,
stores, museums, etc. are breaking the law by installing "Koala Stations" in
the bathroom, wall, instead of a stall.

Incidentally, I *never* use the changing tables provided in public restrooms.
I find that most often they are dirty, have dried "stuff" on them (feces,
vomit, who knows what), smell bad and are usually in difficult locations to
use.  My solution?  I carry a flannel sheet large enough for my son to lay on
and a ziploc bag for dirty diapers, and then look for an inconspicious place
to lay him down and change him (like a dressing room floor).  I know this is
not the *ideal*, but I think those changing tables are just too filthy to be
safe.
Subj:  Re:Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-24 04:55:28 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


Either the laws are different here in California or a lot of restaurants,
stores, museums, etc. are breaking the law by installing "Koala Stations" in
the bathroom, wall, instead of a stall.

Incidentally, I *never* use the changing tables provided in public restrooms.
I find that most often they are dirty, have dried "stuff" on them (feces,
vomit, who knows what), smell bad and are usually in difficult locations to
use.  My solution?  I carry a flannel sheet large enough for my son to lay on
and a ziploc bag for dirty diapers, and then look for an inconspicious place
to lay him down and change him (like a dressing room floor).  I know this is
not the *ideal*, but I think those changing tables are just too filthy to be
safe.
Subj:  Re:Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-24 04:55:28 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


Either the laws are different here in California or a lot of restaurants,
stores, museums, etc. are breaking the law by installing "Koala Stations" in
the bathroom, wall, instead of a stall.

Incidentally, I *never* use the changing tables provided in public restrooms.
I find that most often they are dirty, have dried "stuff" on them (feces,
vomit, who knows what), smell bad and are usually in difficult locations to
use.  My solution?  I carry a flannel sheet large enough for my son to lay on
and a ziploc bag for dirty diapers, and then look for an inconspicious place
to lay him down and change him (like a dressing room floor).  I know this is
not the *ideal*, but I think those changing tables are just too filthy to be
safe.
Subj:  Re:What would you do? In the
Date:  96-09-24 04:57:04 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


In the situation with the teen girls, I would call the police and ask the
restaurant manager to call security (if they have any).  Because I have my
son with me 95% of the time when I am out and so many kids these days are
armed (at least out here in California), I would never risk his safety by
confronting a situation like this.  I might offer the girl that was being
threatened assistance, depending on the circumstance.  I would definitely
have helped the woman with the hurt child at the park and have assisted other
moms in "first aid" situations (though nothing as serious as you describe.)
I think it is sad and telling about our society that other people packed up
and left.

As for the situation with your son falling, I think often times people don't
get involved for reasons that others have stated, including a lawsuit which
*anyone* can file for *any* reason (they may not win or even make it to
court, but they can file.)    A lot of times, though, I think it is simply
because they are not sure what is going on in a situation (for example, if a
person in line has their back to your son, hears him fall, and turns to see
him, by the time the person might respond, you were probably back at your
son's side.)  I have found myself in similar situations where I would have
reacted but did not do it fast enough and the problem was resolved before I
could respond.

Subj:  Re:What would you do? In the
Date:  96-09-24 04:57:04 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


In the situation with the teen girls, I would call the police and ask the
restaurant manager to call security (if they have any).  Because I have my
son with me 95% of the time when I am out and so many kids these days are
armed (at least out here in California), I would never risk his safety by
confronting a situation like this.  I might offer the girl that was being
threatened assistance, depending on the circumstance.  I would definitely
have helped the woman with the hurt child at the park and have assisted other
moms in "first aid" situations (though nothing as serious as you describe.)
I think it is sad and telling about our society that other people packed up
and left.

As for the situation with your son falling, I think often times people don't
get involved for reasons that others have stated, including a lawsuit which
*anyone* can file for *any* reason (they may not win or even make it to
court, but they can file.)    A lot of times, though, I think it is simply
because they are not sure what is going on in a situation (for example, if a
person in line has their back to your son, hears him fall, and turns to see
him, by the time the person might respond, you were probably back at your
son's side.)  I have found myself in similar situations where I would have
reacted but did not do it fast enough and the problem was resolved before I
could respond.

Subj:  Re:What would you do? In the
Date:  96-09-24 04:57:04 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


In the situation with the teen girls, I would call the police and ask the
restaurant manager to call security (if they have any).  Because I have my
son with me 95% of the time when I am out and so many kids these days are
armed (at least out here in California), I would never risk his safety by
confronting a situation like this.  I might offer the girl that was being
threatened assistance, depending on the circumstance.  I would definitely
have helped the woman with the hurt child at the park and have assisted other
moms in "first aid" situations (though nothing as serious as you describe.)
I think it is sad and telling about our society that other people packed up
and left.

As for the situation with your son falling, I think often times people don't
get involved for reasons that others have stated, including a lawsuit which
*anyone* can file for *any* reason (they may not win or even make it to
court, but they can file.)    A lot of times, though, I think it is simply
because they are not sure what is going on in a situation (for example, if a
person in line has their back to your son, hears him fall, and turns to see
him, by the time the person might respond, you were probably back at your
son's side.)  I have found myself in similar situations where I would have
reacted but did not do it fast enough and the problem was resolved before I
could respond.

Subj:  Re:What would you do? In the
Date:  96-09-24 04:57:04 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


In the situation with the teen girls, I would call the police and ask the
restaurant manager to call security (if they have any).  Because I have my
son with me 95% of the time when I am out and so many kids these days are
armed (at least out here in California), I would never risk his safety by
confronting a situation like this.  I might offer the girl that was being
threatened assistance, depending on the circumstance.  I would definitely
have helped the woman with the hurt child at the park and have assisted other
moms in "first aid" situations (though nothing as serious as you describe.)
I think it is sad and telling about our society that other people packed up
and left.

As for the situation with your son falling, I think often times people don't
get involved for reasons that others have stated, including a lawsuit which
*anyone* can file for *any* reason (they may not win or even make it to
court, but they can file.)    A lot of times, though, I think it is simply
because they are not sure what is going on in a situation (for example, if a
person in line has their back to your son, hears him fall, and turns to see
him, by the time the person might respond, you were probably back at your
son's side.)  I have found myself in similar situations where I would have
reacted but did not do it fast enough and the problem was resolved before I
could respond.

Subj:  Re:You're not bad!!
Date:  96-09-24 04:59:10 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


Judy, I think you do a great job with this board and appreciate your having
enough confidence in us as adults to *handle* controversial, argumentative,
even sarcastic posts, whether we like 'em or not.  : )

Subj:  Re:You're not bad!!
Date:  96-09-24 04:59:10 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


Judy, I think you do a great job with this board and appreciate your having
enough confidence in us as adults to *handle* controversial, argumentative,
even sarcastic posts, whether we like 'em or not.  : )

Subj:  Re:You're not bad!!
Date:  96-09-24 04:59:10 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


Judy, I think you do a great job with this board and appreciate your having
enough confidence in us as adults to *handle* controversial, argumentative,
even sarcastic posts, whether we like 'em or not.  : )

Subj:  Re:You're not bad!!
Date:  96-09-24 04:59:10 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


Judy, I think you do a great job with this board and appreciate your having
enough confidence in us as adults to *handle* controversial, argumentative,
even sarcastic posts, whether we like 'em or not.  : )

Subj:  Dirty hands/Dead horse!
Date:  96-09-24 05:01:54 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

I just hate to have to bring this up (hehehe), but there was recently a big
debate here about dirty kids.  A lot of views were shared, including some
posters feeling that it was really awful for others to "judge" moms that
don't keep their kids clean.  It's really amazing to me that so many posters
are now expressing disgust at adults not washing their hands, when so many
*defended* moms that have kids (babies and toddlers included)  with not only
dirty hands, but dirty clothes, feet, necks, noses, etc.   Just something I
could not let slide (try as I might.....)


Subj:  Dirty hands/Dead horse!
Date:  96-09-24 05:01:54 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

I just hate to have to bring this up (hehehe), but there was recently a big
debate here about dirty kids.  A lot of views were shared, including some
posters feeling that it was really awful for others to "judge" moms that
don't keep their kids clean.  It's really amazing to me that so many posters
are now expressing disgust at adults not washing their hands, when so many
*defended* moms that have kids (babies and toddlers included)  with not only
dirty hands, but dirty clothes, feet, necks, noses, etc.   Just something I
could not let slide (try as I might.....)


Subj:  Dirty hands/Dead horse!
Date:  96-09-24 05:01:54 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

I just hate to have to bring this up (hehehe), but there was recently a big
debate here about dirty kids.  A lot of views were shared, including some
posters feeling that it was really awful for others to "judge" moms that
don't keep their kids clean.  It's really amazing to me that so many posters
are now expressing disgust at adults not washing their hands, when so many
*defended* moms that have kids (babies and toddlers included)  with not only
dirty hands, but dirty clothes, feet, necks, noses, etc.   Just something I
could not let slide (try as I might.....)


Subj:  Dirty hands/Dead horse!
Date:  96-09-24 05:01:54 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

I just hate to have to bring this up (hehehe), but there was recently a big
debate here about dirty kids.  A lot of views were shared, including some
posters feeling that it was really awful for others to "judge" moms that
don't keep their kids clean.  It's really amazing to me that so many posters
are now expressing disgust at adults not washing their hands, when so many
*defended* moms that have kids (babies and toddlers included)  with not only
dirty hands, but dirty clothes, feet, necks, noses, etc.   Just something I
could not let slide (try as I might.....)


Subj:  Re:chocolate stains
Date:  96-09-24 05:05:00 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

ESubers, I have three old standbys.

1) Mother's Little Miracle is a spot remover I have only found at Target in
the sections with diapers, wipes,etc.  It is great for a lot of spots,
especially "baby" stains (like spit-up & leaky dirty diapers).  I used this
when my son threw up all over our brand new shell pink sheets and they were
perfect!

2) Gymboree kids clothing store sells a stain remover called GymSuds, w/ a
money back guarantee.  This works great on food stains, "washable" paint and
markers, grease, etc.

3) A solution of bleach and water (about 1:4) for whites, but don't let it
sit too long, sometimes "eats" the fabric :)

Hope this helps......
Subj:  Re:chocolate stains
Date:  96-09-24 05:05:00 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

ESubers, I have three old standbys.

1) Mother's Little Miracle is a spot remover I have only found at Target in
the sections with diapers, wipes,etc.  It is great for a lot of spots,
especially "baby" stains (like spit-up & leaky dirty diapers).  I used this
when my son threw up all over our brand new shell pink sheets and they were
perfect!

2) Gymboree kids clothing store sells a stain remover called GymSuds, w/ a
money back guarantee.  This works great on food stains, "washable" paint and
markers, grease, etc.

3) A solution of bleach and water (about 1:4) for whites, but don't let it
sit too long, sometimes "eats" the fabric :)

Hope this helps......
Subj:  Re:chocolate stains
Date:  96-09-24 05:05:00 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

ESubers, I have three old standbys.

1) Mother's Little Miracle is a spot remover I have only found at Target in
the sections with diapers, wipes,etc.  It is great for a lot of spots,
especially "baby" stains (like spit-up & leaky dirty diapers).  I used this
when my son threw up all over our brand new shell pink sheets and they were
perfect!

2) Gymboree kids clothing store sells a stain remover called GymSuds, w/ a
money back guarantee.  This works great on food stains, "washable" paint and
markers, grease, etc.

3) A solution of bleach and water (about 1:4) for whites, but don't let it
sit too long, sometimes "eats" the fabric :)

Hope this helps......
Subj:  Lisaba1
Date:  96-09-24 05:09:30 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Lisa, I read your posts for today and just had to say ditto, ditto,
ditto..........  I agreed with everything you said!  (Hope that doens't scare
you! :)  )

Shari (I dared to post my "real life" name!!)Subj:  Lisaba1
Date:  96-09-24 05:09:30 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Lisa, I read your posts for today and just had to say ditto, ditto,
ditto..........  I agreed with everything you said!  (Hope that doens't scare
you! :)  )

Shari (I dared to post my "real life" name!!)Subj:  Lisaba1
Date:  96-09-24 05:09:30 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Lisa, I read your posts for today and just had to say ditto, ditto,
ditto..........  I agreed with everything you said!  (Hope that doens't scare
you! :)  )

Shari (I dared to post my "real life" name!!)Subj:  Sorry for post-fever
Date:  96-09-24 05:14:30 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

First chance I have had to read/post today and I guess I just have a LOT to
say!!
Sorry to ramble on like I do, but I just seem to feel the need to share my
opinion
with the world!!!!  :)

BTW, if you have not checked out Macros on this board, do!! It is really neat
and a nice
fresh change from DISI.Subj:  Sorry for post-fever
Date:  96-09-24 05:14:30 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

First chance I have had to read/post today and I guess I just have a LOT to
say!!
Sorry to ramble on like I do, but I just seem to feel the need to share my
opinion
with the world!!!!  :)

BTW, if you have not checked out Macros on this board, do!! It is really neat
and a nice
fresh change from DISI.Subj:  Sorry for post-fever
Date:  96-09-24 05:14:30 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

First chance I have had to read/post today and I guess I just have a LOT to
say!!
Sorry to ramble on like I do, but I just seem to feel the need to share my
opinion
with the world!!!!  :)

BTW, if you have not checked out Macros on this board, do!! It is really neat
and a nice
fresh change from DISI.Subj:  Sorry for post-fever
Date:  96-09-24 05:14:30 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

First chance I have had to read/post today and I guess I just have a LOT to
say!!
Sorry to ramble on like I do, but I just seem to feel the need to share my
opinion
with the world!!!!  :)

BTW, if you have not checked out Macros on this board, do!! It is really neat
and a nice
fresh change from DISI.Subj:  Sorry for post-fever
Date:  96-09-24 05:14:30 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

First chance I have had to read/post today and I guess I just have a LOT to
say!!
Sorry to ramble on like I do, but I just seem to feel the need to share my
opinion
with the world!!!!  :)

BTW, if you have not checked out Macros on this board, do!! It is really neat
and a nice
fresh change from DISI.Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 06:35:40 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<KJ...one question.  How old are your kids? <<

6, 5, and 3

Sorry, I just never get behind and never have.  And we still have more than
plenty of time for play.  Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 06:35:40 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<KJ...one question.  How old are your kids? <<

6, 5, and 3

Sorry, I just never get behind and never have.  And we still have more than
plenty of time for play.  Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 06:35:40 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<KJ...one question.  How old are your kids? <<

6, 5, and 3

Sorry, I just never get behind and never have.  And we still have more than
plenty of time for play.  Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 06:35:40 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<KJ...one question.  How old are your kids? <<

6, 5, and 3

Sorry, I just never get behind and never have.  And we still have more than
plenty of time for play.  Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 06:38:44 edt
From:  Anninmd
Posted on:  America Online

Kerry,
Don't lose hope! There are other people who help in situations like you
described- not run away. It's really interesting to see how people act in
these instances. Our initial automatic response usually says alot about the
type of person you are. (I bet you didn't stop to think before, you just
acted.) What would you do if you found a$20 bill on the floor in the grocery
store? I did last week and turned it in at the office. (Then I thought about
what I did and kicked myself. LOL)

I am usually the one who stays and help. I think about it this way: If is was
a family member of mine who needed help, I would want someone there. I am an
RN, so as a licensed person, the Good Samaratin law becomes even more hazy. I
don't let this dictate my actions though. Maybe I'm a bit naive but I believe
that if I'm acting in good faith, I'll be protected.

This is a very interesting topic and goes to another level. How many of you
welcome new neighbors when they move in?

AnnSubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 06:38:44 edt
From:  Anninmd
Posted on:  America Online

Kerry,
Don't lose hope! There are other people who help in situations like you
described- not run away. It's really interesting to see how people act in
these instances. Our initial automatic response usually says alot about the
type of person you are. (I bet you didn't stop to think before, you just
acted.) What would you do if you found a$20 bill on the floor in the grocery
store? I did last week and turned it in at the office. (Then I thought about
what I did and kicked myself. LOL)

I am usually the one who stays and help. I think about it this way: If is was
a family member of mine who needed help, I would want someone there. I am an
RN, so as a licensed person, the Good Samaratin law becomes even more hazy. I
don't let this dictate my actions though. Maybe I'm a bit naive but I believe
that if I'm acting in good faith, I'll be protected.

This is a very interesting topic and goes to another level. How many of you
welcome new neighbors when they move in?

AnnSubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 06:38:44 edt
From:  Anninmd
Posted on:  America Online

Kerry,
Don't lose hope! There are other people who help in situations like you
described- not run away. It's really interesting to see how people act in
these instances. Our initial automatic response usually says alot about the
type of person you are. (I bet you didn't stop to think before, you just
acted.) What would you do if you found a$20 bill on the floor in the grocery
store? I did last week and turned it in at the office. (Then I thought about
what I did and kicked myself. LOL)

I am usually the one who stays and help. I think about it this way: If is was
a family member of mine who needed help, I would want someone there. I am an
RN, so as a licensed person, the Good Samaratin law becomes even more hazy. I
don't let this dictate my actions though. Maybe I'm a bit naive but I believe
that if I'm acting in good faith, I'll be protected.

This is a very interesting topic and goes to another level. How many of you
welcome new neighbors when they move in?

AnnSubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 06:39:17 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<Some people (not you, and not me!) would actually have yelled at someone
for touching their son rather than thanking them for helping him.  This may
have caused some hesitation in people....whch is terrible.  <<

This is very true.   I live in a small town and most of those people in that
line had familiar faces.  Meaning, I did not know them personally. But, I
have seen them "around" as I am sure they have seen me.Subj:  Re:What would
you do?
Date:  96-09-24 06:39:17 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<Some people (not you, and not me!) would actually have yelled at someone
for touching their son rather than thanking them for helping him.  This may
have caused some hesitation in people....whch is terrible.  <<

This is very true.   I live in a small town and most of those people in that
line had familiar faces.  Meaning, I did not know them personally. But, I
have seen them "around" as I am sure they have seen me.Subj:  Re:What would
you do?
Date:  96-09-24 06:39:17 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<Some people (not you, and not me!) would actually have yelled at someone
for touching their son rather than thanking them for helping him.  This may
have caused some hesitation in people....whch is terrible.  <<

This is very true.   I live in a small town and most of those people in that
line had familiar faces.  Meaning, I did not know them personally. But, I
have seen them "around" as I am sure they have seen me.Subj:  Re:Dirty
hands/Dead horse!
Date:  96-09-24 06:43:08 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<.  It's really amazing to me that so many posters are now expressing
disgust at adults not washing their hands, when so many *defended* moms that
have kids <<

LOL!!  I did notice that to!Subj:  Re:Dirty hands/Dead horse!
Date:  96-09-24 06:43:08 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<.  It's really amazing to me that so many posters are now expressing
disgust at adults not washing their hands, when so many *defended* moms that
have kids <<

LOL!!  I did notice that to!Subj:  Re:Dirty hands/Dead horse!
Date:  96-09-24 06:43:08 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<.  It's really amazing to me that so many posters are now expressing
disgust at adults not washing their hands, when so many *defended* moms that
have kids <<

LOL!!  I did notice that to!Subj:  Re: Dirty Hands
Date:  96-09-24 08:29:53 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

<<One of the children out west who died of E. Coli-had never eaten a
hamburger in his life-a daycare provider did not wash her hands after
changing diapers and passed it along from a child that had it-to another.>>

<<<This is disgraceful!!  I change one diaper, throw it away, wash my hands,
and start all over again!!  I am suprised that my hands are not always
chapped and peeling and craking from washing them so much!!  >>>

Where I taught I would wash my hands, put on a pair of gloves, change the
diaper, throw the gloves  away, wash my hands AND wash the child's hands, dry
our hands with a paper towel, and turn off the water with a paper towel.
Whew!!!   But I did it everytime because it was better then getting sick or
having one of my kids get sick.Subj:  Re: Dirty Hands
Date:  96-09-24 08:29:53 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

<<One of the children out west who died of E. Coli-had never eaten a
hamburger in his life-a daycare provider did not wash her hands after
changing diapers and passed it along from a child that had it-to another.>>

<<<This is disgraceful!!  I change one diaper, throw it away, wash my hands,
and start all over again!!  I am suprised that my hands are not always
chapped and peeling and craking from washing them so much!!  >>>

Where I taught I would wash my hands, put on a pair of gloves, change the
diaper, throw the gloves  away, wash my hands AND wash the child's hands, dry
our hands with a paper towel, and turn off the water with a paper towel.
Whew!!!   But I did it everytime because it was better then getting sick or
having one of my kids get sick.Subj:  Re: Dirty Hands
Date:  96-09-24 08:29:53 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

<<One of the children out west who died of E. Coli-had never eaten a
hamburger in his life-a daycare provider did not wash her hands after
changing diapers and passed it along from a child that had it-to another.>>

<<<This is disgraceful!!  I change one diaper, throw it away, wash my hands,
and start all over again!!  I am suprised that my hands are not always
chapped and peeling and craking from washing them so much!!  >>>

Where I taught I would wash my hands, put on a pair of gloves, change the
diaper, throw the gloves  away, wash my hands AND wash the child's hands, dry
our hands with a paper towel, and turn off the water with a paper towel.
Whew!!!   But I did it everytime because it was better then getting sick or
having one of my kids get sick.Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 08:35:55 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>>And, KJ5683, FYI, "what I was doing all day" >>

Don't get so rattled.  I was only responding to what you originally posted.
Did you go into detail of what your day was like.  No, I don't think so!

So you had a hectic day.  Did you happen to think of what his day was like?
I notice alot of post refer to dh's being spoiled by their wives.

Does anyone's dh happen to spoil them?

  Mine does spoil me so if I am going out in the evening and he is going to
give the kids a bath I usually have everything set up for him.  Why?  because
he does alot for me and I appreciate him.  And I know when I do those little
extra things to make it easier for him he appreciates that.  And in those
cases where I might not put the pajamas in the bathroom before bath time and
he looks at me dumbfounded "Where are the pajamas?"  I tell him they are in
the same drawer they were when the kids were born!  He laughs realizing what
he asked was ridiculous!

Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 08:35:55 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>>And, KJ5683, FYI, "what I was doing all day" >>

Don't get so rattled.  I was only responding to what you originally posted.
Did you go into detail of what your day was like.  No, I don't think so!

So you had a hectic day.  Did you happen to think of what his day was like?
I notice alot of post refer to dh's being spoiled by their wives.

Does anyone's dh happen to spoil them?

  Mine does spoil me so if I am going out in the evening and he is going to
give the kids a bath I usually have everything set up for him.  Why?  because
he does alot for me and I appreciate him.  And I know when I do those little
extra things to make it easier for him he appreciates that.  And in those
cases where I might not put the pajamas in the bathroom before bath time and
he looks at me dumbfounded "Where are the pajamas?"  I tell him they are in
the same drawer they were when the kids were born!  He laughs realizing what
he asked was ridiculous!

Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 08:35:55 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>>And, KJ5683, FYI, "what I was doing all day" >>

Don't get so rattled.  I was only responding to what you originally posted.
Did you go into detail of what your day was like.  No, I don't think so!

So you had a hectic day.  Did you happen to think of what his day was like?
I notice alot of post refer to dh's being spoiled by their wives.

Does anyone's dh happen to spoil them?

  Mine does spoil me so if I am going out in the evening and he is going to
give the kids a bath I usually have everything set up for him.  Why?  because
he does alot for me and I appreciate him.  And I know when I do those little
extra things to make it easier for him he appreciates that.  And in those
cases where I might not put the pajamas in the bathroom before bath time and
he looks at me dumbfounded "Where are the pajamas?"  I tell him they are in
the same drawer they were when the kids were born!  He laughs realizing what
he asked was ridiculous!

Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 08:37:45 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

<<The other day I was with my son (age 5) in a local bagel store.  We were
sitting down at a table near the register.  There were inbetween 7 and 10
people in line right next to us.  I got up to get a napkin which was right
around the corner.  As I was walking back I notice all these people looking
at my son, who fell off the chair.  He was having a hard time getting up.  I
said very loudly.  Don't worry I will HELP you!  Now, do you think any of
those people tried to help him up?  I was pi**ed!>>

  I have to say, while I would have asked your son if he was ok, I wouldn't
have touched him without permission.  I would have stepped out of line to get
you if I had noticed where you had gone, but frankly I don't like strangers
touching my child and I would never touch someone else's child except in an
emergency situation.Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 08:37:45 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

<<The other day I was with my son (age 5) in a local bagel store.  We were
sitting down at a table near the register.  There were inbetween 7 and 10
people in line right next to us.  I got up to get a napkin which was right
around the corner.  As I was walking back I notice all these people looking
at my son, who fell off the chair.  He was having a hard time getting up.  I
said very loudly.  Don't worry I will HELP you!  Now, do you think any of
those people tried to help him up?  I was pi**ed!>>

  I have to say, while I would have asked your son if he was ok, I wouldn't
have touched him without permission.  I would have stepped out of line to get
you if I had noticed where you had gone, but frankly I don't like strangers
touching my child and I would never touch someone else's child except in an
emergency situation.Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 08:37:45 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

<<The other day I was with my son (age 5) in a local bagel store.  We were
sitting down at a table near the register.  There were inbetween 7 and 10
people in line right next to us.  I got up to get a napkin which was right
around the corner.  As I was walking back I notice all these people looking
at my son, who fell off the chair.  He was having a hard time getting up.  I
said very loudly.  Don't worry I will HELP you!  Now, do you think any of
those people tried to help him up?  I was pi**ed!>>

  I have to say, while I would have asked your son if he was ok, I wouldn't
have touched him without permission.  I would have stepped out of line to get
you if I had noticed where you had gone, but frankly I don't like strangers
touching my child and I would never touch someone else's child except in an
emergency situation.Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 08:37:45 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

<<The other day I was with my son (age 5) in a local bagel store.  We were
sitting down at a table near the register.  There were inbetween 7 and 10
people in line right next to us.  I got up to get a napkin which was right
around the corner.  As I was walking back I notice all these people looking
at my son, who fell off the chair.  He was having a hard time getting up.  I
said very loudly.  Don't worry I will HELP you!  Now, do you think any of
those people tried to help him up?  I was pi**ed!>>

  I have to say, while I would have asked your son if he was ok, I wouldn't
have touched him without permission.  I would have stepped out of line to get
you if I had noticed where you had gone, but frankly I don't like strangers
touching my child and I would never touch someone else's child except in an
emergency situation.Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 08:40:10 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

<<Just the other day I was at the drs office, this little girl was lost.  She
is crying in a hallway of a downtown Chicago hospital, nurses walked by her.
She looked lost I asked her what the matter was as she was crying!  She said
she couldnt find her mommy!  I just took her back to my doctors office told
the nurse, she looked at me like what the hell am I suppose to do?>>

  Now this is diferent, I would help this child because it is obviously an
emergency!Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 08:40:10 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

<<Just the other day I was at the drs office, this little girl was lost.  She
is crying in a hallway of a downtown Chicago hospital, nurses walked by her.
She looked lost I asked her what the matter was as she was crying!  She said
she couldnt find her mommy!  I just took her back to my doctors office told
the nurse, she looked at me like what the hell am I suppose to do?>>

  Now this is diferent, I would help this child because it is obviously an
emergency!Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 08:40:10 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

<<Just the other day I was at the drs office, this little girl was lost.  She
is crying in a hallway of a downtown Chicago hospital, nurses walked by her.
She looked lost I asked her what the matter was as she was crying!  She said
she couldnt find her mommy!  I just took her back to my doctors office told
the nurse, she looked at me like what the hell am I suppose to do?>>

  Now this is diferent, I would help this child because it is obviously an
emergency!Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 08:41:49 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>> Now that so much of my time and energy goes to being a mommy,  there just
isn't enough for everything dh got used to and he is having a tough time
adjusting.  >.

I checked out a book called *Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus*
Whenever near a book store read some of it or buy it!

There was a time when I went through the above with my dh. And what exactly
his responsibilities were as far as the children.   I think it was so many
children so quickly.  Mine are close together.  Communication is the key.
Being a b**ch certainly is not!!  It took me a while to find that out! Subj:
Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 08:41:49 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>> Now that so much of my time and energy goes to being a mommy,  there just
isn't enough for everything dh got used to and he is having a tough time
adjusting.  >.

I checked out a book called *Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus*
Whenever near a book store read some of it or buy it!

There was a time when I went through the above with my dh. And what exactly
his responsibilities were as far as the children.   I think it was so many
children so quickly.  Mine are close together.  Communication is the key.
Being a b**ch certainly is not!!  It took me a while to find that out! Subj:
Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 08:41:49 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>> Now that so much of my time and energy goes to being a mommy,  there just
isn't enough for everything dh got used to and he is having a tough time
adjusting.  >.

I checked out a book called *Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus*
Whenever near a book store read some of it or buy it!

There was a time when I went through the above with my dh. And what exactly
his responsibilities were as far as the children.   I think it was so many
children so quickly.  Mine are close together.  Communication is the key.
Being a b**ch certainly is not!!  It took me a while to find that out! Subj:
Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 08:41:49 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>> Now that so much of my time and energy goes to being a mommy,  there just
isn't enough for everything dh got used to and he is having a tough time
adjusting.  >.

I checked out a book called *Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus*
Whenever near a book store read some of it or buy it!

There was a time when I went through the above with my dh. And what exactly
his responsibilities were as far as the children.   I think it was so many
children so quickly.  Mine are close together.  Communication is the key.
Being a b**ch certainly is not!!  It took me a while to find that out! Subj:
Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 09:17:15 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<My question:  how much of the responsibility was hers, getting drunk and
vulnerable? >>

I didn't watch the movie, but I think a woman must accept responsibility for
her actions, which include doing drugs or getting drunk.  This is a dangerous
thing on college campuses and I plan on discussing these issues with our
daughter (oh, gulp!) when the time comes (she's only 1 - don't laugh!).  I do
not wish date rape on anyone, but when a woman gets drunk she must accept
some of the responsibility.  NOW I also believe the man should do time for
the crime - because date rape IS a crime.  But unfortunately difficult to
prove.

LisaSubj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 09:17:15 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<My question:  how much of the responsibility was hers, getting drunk and
vulnerable? >>

I didn't watch the movie, but I think a woman must accept responsibility for
her actions, which include doing drugs or getting drunk.  This is a dangerous
thing on college campuses and I plan on discussing these issues with our
daughter (oh, gulp!) when the time comes (she's only 1 - don't laugh!).  I do
not wish date rape on anyone, but when a woman gets drunk she must accept
some of the responsibility.  NOW I also believe the man should do time for
the crime - because date rape IS a crime.  But unfortunately difficult to
prove.

LisaSubj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 09:17:15 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<My question:  how much of the responsibility was hers, getting drunk and
vulnerable? >>

I didn't watch the movie, but I think a woman must accept responsibility for
her actions, which include doing drugs or getting drunk.  This is a dangerous
thing on college campuses and I plan on discussing these issues with our
daughter (oh, gulp!) when the time comes (she's only 1 - don't laugh!).  I do
not wish date rape on anyone, but when a woman gets drunk she must accept
some of the responsibility.  NOW I also believe the man should do time for
the crime - because date rape IS a crime.  But unfortunately difficult to
prove.

LisaSubj:  Re:Lisaba1
Date:  96-09-24 09:23:32 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Shari!!!   Wow - someone agreed with me today!  You made my day!  (glad to
know your RL name now - thanks for daring!)

LisaSubj:  Re:Lisaba1
Date:  96-09-24 09:23:32 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Shari!!!   Wow - someone agreed with me today!  You made my day!  (glad to
know your RL name now - thanks for daring!)

LisaSubj:  Re:Lisaba1
Date:  96-09-24 09:23:32 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Shari!!!   Wow - someone agreed with me today!  You made my day!  (glad to
know your RL name now - thanks for daring!)

LisaSubj:  Re:Lisaba1
Date:  96-09-24 09:23:32 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Shari!!!   Wow - someone agreed with me today!  You made my day!  (glad to
know your RL name now - thanks for daring!)

LisaSubj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 09:25:04 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Sorry, I just never get behind and never have.  And we still have more than
plenty of time for play.  >>

Thanks, KJ for the response on your kids ages.  All I can say is ... people
are different and some like you amaze me that you never get behind.  This is
NOT meant sarcastically!!!  Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 09:25:04 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Sorry, I just never get behind and never have.  And we still have more than
plenty of time for play.  >>

Thanks, KJ for the response on your kids ages.  All I can say is ... people
are different and some like you amaze me that you never get behind.  This is
NOT meant sarcastically!!!  Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 09:25:04 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Sorry, I just never get behind and never have.  And we still have more than
plenty of time for play.  >>

Thanks, KJ for the response on your kids ages.  All I can say is ... people
are different and some like you amaze me that you never get behind.  This is
NOT meant sarcastically!!!  Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 09:25:04 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Sorry, I just never get behind and never have.  And we still have more than
plenty of time for play.  >>

Thanks, KJ for the response on your kids ages.  All I can say is ... people
are different and some like you amaze me that you never get behind.  This is
NOT meant sarcastically!!!  Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 09:28:21 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Does anyone's dh happen to spoil them?
>>

This is a funny question to me today because yesterday *I* almost missed our
wedding anniversary.  It is the 23rd, and i thought today was the 23rd, not
yesterday.  DH came home with a few books for me as a present (I LOVE getting
books) and I got his card out for him...but he surprised me by remembering
first.  BUT he does not spoil in general because he doesn't have much time to
with work and his commute and all.  BUT he had better get back to doing the
dishes every so often (which is spoiling in my book!) etc. once we move (one
month and counting!) and he only has a 10 minute commute!  That kind of stuff
makes my day.  Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 09:28:21 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Does anyone's dh happen to spoil them?
>>

This is a funny question to me today because yesterday *I* almost missed our
wedding anniversary.  It is the 23rd, and i thought today was the 23rd, not
yesterday.  DH came home with a few books for me as a present (I LOVE getting
books) and I got his card out for him...but he surprised me by remembering
first.  BUT he does not spoil in general because he doesn't have much time to
with work and his commute and all.  BUT he had better get back to doing the
dishes every so often (which is spoiling in my book!) etc. once we move (one
month and counting!) and he only has a 10 minute commute!  That kind of stuff
makes my day.  Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 09:28:21 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Does anyone's dh happen to spoil them?
>>

This is a funny question to me today because yesterday *I* almost missed our
wedding anniversary.  It is the 23rd, and i thought today was the 23rd, not
yesterday.  DH came home with a few books for me as a present (I LOVE getting
books) and I got his card out for him...but he surprised me by remembering
first.  BUT he does not spoil in general because he doesn't have much time to
with work and his commute and all.  BUT he had better get back to doing the
dishes every so often (which is spoiling in my book!) etc. once we move (one
month and counting!) and he only has a 10 minute commute!  That kind of stuff
makes my day.  Subj:  Re:Doctors handwashing
Date:  96-09-24 09:52:15 edt
From:  JTPSA
Posted on:  America Online

 Amy
   <<<At a medical conference a team of researchers hid in the bathrooms and
counted how many DOCTORS washed thier hands after using the bathroom.  Less
that 60% (I think) and if you think they all of a sudden remember to wash
just because they are about to examine you THINK AGAIN!>>>
    That is the most ridiculous research I've ever heard. This is what you
said <<<Less than 60%(I think)>>>>  What do you mean (I think) 60%. Could you
possibly mean 10%. How do these researchers know if they are doctors or drug
reps or possibly nurses. I think maybe there might be a few midwives in that
60%. But I guess you have to fulfill your mission to bash doctors. Just
curious, but where did these researchers hide when they were watching and if
they had a camera hiding in the bathroom, that sounds a bit illegal.  After
all , there arent very many hiding spots in public restrooms. I think the
doctors noticed these strange men (or women) lurking in the restrooms and
decided to get out as fast as they could even if it meant skipping washing
their hands. Just my opinion.
   CarolSubj:  Re:Doctors handwashing
Date:  96-09-24 09:52:15 edt
From:  JTPSA
Posted on:  America Online

 Amy
   <<<At a medical conference a team of researchers hid in the bathrooms and
counted how many DOCTORS washed thier hands after using the bathroom.  Less
that 60% (I think) and if you think they all of a sudden remember to wash
just because they are about to examine you THINK AGAIN!>>>
    That is the most ridiculous research I've ever heard. This is what you
said <<<Less than 60%(I think)>>>>  What do you mean (I think) 60%. Could you
possibly mean 10%. How do these researchers know if they are doctors or drug
reps or possibly nurses. I think maybe there might be a few midwives in that
60%. But I guess you have to fulfill your mission to bash doctors. Just
curious, but where did these researchers hide when they were watching and if
they had a camera hiding in the bathroom, that sounds a bit illegal.  After
all , there arent very many hiding spots in public restrooms. I think the
doctors noticed these strange men (or women) lurking in the restrooms and
decided to get out as fast as they could even if it meant skipping washing
their hands. Just my opinion.
   CarolSubj:  Re:Doctors handwashing
Date:  96-09-24 09:52:15 edt
From:  JTPSA
Posted on:  America Online

 Amy
   <<<At a medical conference a team of researchers hid in the bathrooms and
counted how many DOCTORS washed thier hands after using the bathroom.  Less
that 60% (I think) and if you think they all of a sudden remember to wash
just because they are about to examine you THINK AGAIN!>>>
    That is the most ridiculous research I've ever heard. This is what you
said <<<Less than 60%(I think)>>>>  What do you mean (I think) 60%. Could you
possibly mean 10%. How do these researchers know if they are doctors or drug
reps or possibly nurses. I think maybe there might be a few midwives in that
60%. But I guess you have to fulfill your mission to bash doctors. Just
curious, but where did these researchers hide when they were watching and if
they had a camera hiding in the bathroom, that sounds a bit illegal.  After
all , there arent very many hiding spots in public restrooms. I think the
doctors noticed these strange men (or women) lurking in the restrooms and
decided to get out as fast as they could even if it meant skipping washing
their hands. Just my opinion.
   CarolSubj:  Re:Doctors handwashing
Date:  96-09-24 09:52:15 edt
From:  JTPSA
Posted on:  America Online

 Amy
   <<<At a medical conference a team of researchers hid in the bathrooms and
counted how many DOCTORS washed thier hands after using the bathroom.  Less
that 60% (I think) and if you think they all of a sudden remember to wash
just because they are about to examine you THINK AGAIN!>>>
    That is the most ridiculous research I've ever heard. This is what you
said <<<Less than 60%(I think)>>>>  What do you mean (I think) 60%. Could you
possibly mean 10%. How do these researchers know if they are doctors or drug
reps or possibly nurses. I think maybe there might be a few midwives in that
60%. But I guess you have to fulfill your mission to bash doctors. Just
curious, but where did these researchers hide when they were watching and if
they had a camera hiding in the bathroom, that sounds a bit illegal.  After
all , there arent very many hiding spots in public restrooms. I think the
doctors noticed these strange men (or women) lurking in the restrooms and
decided to get out as fast as they could even if it meant skipping washing
their hands. Just my opinion.
   CarolSubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 09:53:02 edt
From:  INGRAHAMV
Posted on:  America Online

ROFLSubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 09:53:02 edt
From:  INGRAHAMV
Posted on:  America Online

ROFLSubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 09:53:02 edt
From:  INGRAHAMV
Posted on:  America Online

ROFLSubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 09:53:02 edt
From:  INGRAHAMV
Posted on:  America Online

ROFLSubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 09:53:02 edt
From:  INGRAHAMV
Posted on:  America Online

ROFLSubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 10:16:10 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>And to the couple of people who didn't see the humor in that post ... eek
... you scare me, man....<<

I have to agree with Patricia on this one.  You guys definitely lack the
sense of humor portion
of your brains.

Babs

Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/LUV
Date:  96-09-24 10:17:44 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>> (Wow, this reminds me of some of my conversations with dh!!)  >.

The way you responded to my post is probably the way you respond to your dh.
Now, I can't hear you  voice but from your post I feel it is very defensive
and in an annoyed tone.

What I have learned is by changing my tone and wording with my dh but still
meaning the same thing.  I get much farther.  Instead of words like....Do you
want to _KNOW_ what I did today!!??
I will now say it like.  I had a really busy day today and I am
feeling........    and he actually pays attention and is more understanding.
The night you went out and nothing was prepared for him instead of getting
annoyed at his attitude when you came home it might have been more of a
compromise if you would have said to him before you left.....I was very busy
today and I didn't get a chance to get  (name it)  that done.  Then he would
have known ahead of time and maybe would have been more understanding.

9 times out of 10 there are 2 sides to every story.  Always try to look at
the other side.Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/LUV
Date:  96-09-24 10:17:44 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>> (Wow, this reminds me of some of my conversations with dh!!)  >.

The way you responded to my post is probably the way you respond to your dh.
Now, I can't hear you  voice but from your post I feel it is very defensive
and in an annoyed tone.

What I have learned is by changing my tone and wording with my dh but still
meaning the same thing.  I get much farther.  Instead of words like....Do you
want to _KNOW_ what I did today!!??
I will now say it like.  I had a really busy day today and I am
feeling........    and he actually pays attention and is more understanding.
The night you went out and nothing was prepared for him instead of getting
annoyed at his attitude when you came home it might have been more of a
compromise if you would have said to him before you left.....I was very busy
today and I didn't get a chance to get  (name it)  that done.  Then he would
have known ahead of time and maybe would have been more understanding.

9 times out of 10 there are 2 sides to every story.  Always try to look at
the other side.Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/LUV
Date:  96-09-24 10:17:44 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>> (Wow, this reminds me of some of my conversations with dh!!)  >.

The way you responded to my post is probably the way you respond to your dh.
Now, I can't hear you  voice but from your post I feel it is very defensive
and in an annoyed tone.

What I have learned is by changing my tone and wording with my dh but still
meaning the same thing.  I get much farther.  Instead of words like....Do you
want to _KNOW_ what I did today!!??
I will now say it like.  I had a really busy day today and I am
feeling........    and he actually pays attention and is more understanding.
The night you went out and nothing was prepared for him instead of getting
annoyed at his attitude when you came home it might have been more of a
compromise if you would have said to him before you left.....I was very busy
today and I didn't get a chance to get  (name it)  that done.  Then he would
have known ahead of time and maybe would have been more understanding.

9 times out of 10 there are 2 sides to every story.  Always try to look at
the other side.Subj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 10:25:25 edt
From:  BecaFletch
Posted on:  America Online

<< Date rape is a huge crime on campus.  Also more common, probably, is
'getting' girls drunk and having them lose inhibitions etc.  As mothers of
daughters and sons, what do we do?>>

I think we need to make young girls understand that when they get drunk like
that, they are relinquishing some control over what happens to them.  I'm not
saying it's their fault - it happenend to me almost exactly the same way.  I
think if I had not been drunk, I could have gotten out of there before he
even got me alone.  We also need to tach our sons more respect for women.
The attitude I see in these guys is that they don't want to be bothered with
a girlfriend, so they get these girls drunk and take advantage so the girls
are either to scared or embarrassed to come forward - and they don't end up
getting stuck with an inconvienent "girlfriend" to take time away from their
beer-drinking buddies.
I've got to say - the scenes in that movie from the frat parties were NOT
exaggerated - that was exactly how parties were at my college 10 years ago -
and obviously things haven't changed much.  It's so sad.  Out of all my
friends in college, there were only a few who hadn't been raped, or
experienced attempted rape.  Subj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 10:25:25 edt
From:  BecaFletch
Posted on:  America Online

<< Date rape is a huge crime on campus.  Also more common, probably, is
'getting' girls drunk and having them lose inhibitions etc.  As mothers of
daughters and sons, what do we do?>>

I think we need to make young girls understand that when they get drunk like
that, they are relinquishing some control over what happens to them.  I'm not
saying it's their fault - it happenend to me almost exactly the same way.  I
think if I had not been drunk, I could have gotten out of there before he
even got me alone.  We also need to tach our sons more respect for women.
The attitude I see in these guys is that they don't want to be bothered with
a girlfriend, so they get these girls drunk and take advantage so the girls
are either to scared or embarrassed to come forward - and they don't end up
getting stuck with an inconvienent "girlfriend" to take time away from their
beer-drinking buddies.
I've got to say - the scenes in that movie from the frat parties were NOT
exaggerated - that was exactly how parties were at my college 10 years ago -
and obviously things haven't changed much.  It's so sad.  Out of all my
friends in college, there were only a few who hadn't been raped, or
experienced attempted rape.  Subj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 10:25:25 edt
From:  BecaFletch
Posted on:  America Online

<< Date rape is a huge crime on campus.  Also more common, probably, is
'getting' girls drunk and having them lose inhibitions etc.  As mothers of
daughters and sons, what do we do?>>

I think we need to make young girls understand that when they get drunk like
that, they are relinquishing some control over what happens to them.  I'm not
saying it's their fault - it happenend to me almost exactly the same way.  I
think if I had not been drunk, I could have gotten out of there before he
even got me alone.  We also need to tach our sons more respect for women.
The attitude I see in these guys is that they don't want to be bothered with
a girlfriend, so they get these girls drunk and take advantage so the girls
are either to scared or embarrassed to come forward - and they don't end up
getting stuck with an inconvienent "girlfriend" to take time away from their
beer-drinking buddies.
I've got to say - the scenes in that movie from the frat parties were NOT
exaggerated - that was exactly how parties were at my college 10 years ago -
and obviously things haven't changed much.  It's so sad.  Out of all my
friends in college, there were only a few who hadn't been raped, or
experienced attempted rape.  Subj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 10:25:25 edt
From:  BecaFletch
Posted on:  America Online

<< Date rape is a huge crime on campus.  Also more common, probably, is
'getting' girls drunk and having them lose inhibitions etc.  As mothers of
daughters and sons, what do we do?>>

I think we need to make young girls understand that when they get drunk like
that, they are relinquishing some control over what happens to them.  I'm not
saying it's their fault - it happenend to me almost exactly the same way.  I
think if I had not been drunk, I could have gotten out of there before he
even got me alone.  We also need to tach our sons more respect for women.
The attitude I see in these guys is that they don't want to be bothered with
a girlfriend, so they get these girls drunk and take advantage so the girls
are either to scared or embarrassed to come forward - and they don't end up
getting stuck with an inconvienent "girlfriend" to take time away from their
beer-drinking buddies.
I've got to say - the scenes in that movie from the frat parties were NOT
exaggerated - that was exactly how parties were at my college 10 years ago -
and obviously things haven't changed much.  It's so sad.  Out of all my
friends in college, there were only a few who hadn't been raped, or
experienced attempted rape.  Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Lisa
Date:  96-09-24 10:31:48 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>>Thanks, KJ for the response on your kids ages.  All I can say is ... people
are different and some like you amaze me that you never get behind.  This is
NOT meant sarcastically!!!  >>

Lisa, I honestly forgot to add that when I was pg with my third I had a
teengage mom's helper come a few days a week in the afternoons from about 4
to 6 or 7.   She still comes.  You know 4pm the bewitching hour for children.
She is like a big sister.  Without her I would need a magic wand to cook
dinner.  Not so much now because the kids are older but up until last
year...................and she has been with us for 3 years she is now almost
18.  And since I am an only child she is like a sister I never had :) Subj:
Re: Dirty Dishes/Lisa
Date:  96-09-24 10:31:48 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>>Thanks, KJ for the response on your kids ages.  All I can say is ... people
are different and some like you amaze me that you never get behind.  This is
NOT meant sarcastically!!!  >>

Lisa, I honestly forgot to add that when I was pg with my third I had a
teengage mom's helper come a few days a week in the afternoons from about 4
to 6 or 7.   She still comes.  You know 4pm the bewitching hour for children.
She is like a big sister.  Without her I would need a magic wand to cook
dinner.  Not so much now because the kids are older but up until last
year...................and she has been with us for 3 years she is now almost
18.  And since I am an only child she is like a sister I never had :) Subj:
Re: Dirty Dishes/Lisa
Date:  96-09-24 10:31:48 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>>Thanks, KJ for the response on your kids ages.  All I can say is ... people
are different and some like you amaze me that you never get behind.  This is
NOT meant sarcastically!!!  >>

Lisa, I honestly forgot to add that when I was pg with my third I had a
teengage mom's helper come a few days a week in the afternoons from about 4
to 6 or 7.   She still comes.  You know 4pm the bewitching hour for children.
She is like a big sister.  Without her I would need a magic wand to cook
dinner.  Not so much now because the kids are older but up until last
year...................and she has been with us for 3 years she is now almost
18.  And since I am an only child she is like a sister I never had :) Subj:
Re:A few..Luv2Bea
Date:  96-09-24 10:35:16 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry.. first timer here.. heard about it.. and after reading awhile.. I just
couldnt resist....
Subj:  Re:A few..Luv2Bea
Date:  96-09-24 10:35:16 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry.. first timer here.. heard about it.. and after reading awhile.. I just
couldnt resist....
Subj:  Re:A few..Luv2Bea
Date:  96-09-24 10:35:16 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry.. first timer here.. heard about it.. and after reading awhile.. I just
couldnt resist....
Subj:  Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 10:37:55 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

Okay okay okay.  Before you get upset at the subject line, let me explain.
We spent the
entire day on Sunday cleaning out our garage for the first time in 9 years.
Unbelievable
amount of crap.  Never seen so much dust, grub, grime and spiders in my
entire life.  My
2 year old had been battling a cold all weekend too, so needless to say his
face was snot
filled.  While my husband painted the garage floor, I grabbed my son and gave
him some
macaroni and cheese for lunch. I then gave him an orange pop afterward.  Back
into the
garage we went and while making our way through the garbage outside he
tripped and fell,
bumping his head.  Tears pouring down his cheeks, making their way through
the crusted
macaroni and cheese, snot and dirt on his face.  I tried to tell him that he
needed cleaning,
but like any two year old, he begged to differ.  His front shirt was now
covered in orange
pop, dust, and macaroni and cheese.  Luckily, the snot stayed on his face.
All of a sudden,
my husband told me that he needed this stuff at Walmart for the walls.  I
told him I would
go and get it, while he watched the baby.   He said he couldn't watch the
baby because
he was still painting the floor.  I grabbed Bo and off we went to Walmart.
Mind you, I
had a previously white T shirt on, a pair of paint stained sweatpants, grass
stained sneakers,
and my hair had been washed during my shower the previous night.  We all know
what
our hair looks like in the morning when we go to bed with it wet the night
before.  Now,
also picture in your head my macaroni and cheese, orange pop, dust and grime,
snot snosed
child.  What a pair.  I ran into Walmart, ignoring the stares of the
employees and customers,
grabbed the cleaner and ran through the register and out the store.  Outside,
my son spots
the tractors they are trying to get rid off and wants to ride.  He pulls the
screaming fit from
hell right there in the parking lot.   Needless to say, we were completely
and emphatically
pathetic looking.  I then remembered this board and it's intolerance for
dirty moms and snot
nosed children in Walmart and burst into hysterical laughter thinking I was
about to be the subject of someone's post.  After that day, I will never ever
again look at another person
and judge from where they come.  Who knows what kind of a day they had or
what they
had been doing, or better yet, what they still needed to do.  I wasn't going
to put a clean
change of clothes for my son or myself just to run in Walmart for 5 minutes,
only to come
back and dig into the garage again.  As far as my son's face and hands, hey,
I tried to get
the stuff off his face, but it was only going to come off with a good scrub
in the tub.  So
don't judge too quickly, for you too may find a time in the future when you
appear to be
a pig in Walmart on the loose.

Babs

Subj:  Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 10:37:55 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

Okay okay okay.  Before you get upset at the subject line, let me explain.
We spent the
entire day on Sunday cleaning out our garage for the first time in 9 years.
Unbelievable
amount of crap.  Never seen so much dust, grub, grime and spiders in my
entire life.  My
2 year old had been battling a cold all weekend too, so needless to say his
face was snot
filled.  While my husband painted the garage floor, I grabbed my son and gave
him some
macaroni and cheese for lunch. I then gave him an orange pop afterward.  Back
into the
garage we went and while making our way through the garbage outside he
tripped and fell,
bumping his head.  Tears pouring down his cheeks, making their way through
the crusted
macaroni and cheese, snot and dirt on his face.  I tried to tell him that he
needed cleaning,
but like any two year old, he begged to differ.  His front shirt was now
covered in orange
pop, dust, and macaroni and cheese.  Luckily, the snot stayed on his face.
All of a sudden,
my husband told me that he needed this stuff at Walmart for the walls.  I
told him I would
go and get it, while he watched the baby.   He said he couldn't watch the
baby because
he was still painting the floor.  I grabbed Bo and off we went to Walmart.
Mind you, I
had a previously white T shirt on, a pair of paint stained sweatpants, grass
stained sneakers,
and my hair had been washed during my shower the previous night.  We all know
what
our hair looks like in the morning when we go to bed with it wet the night
before.  Now,
also picture in your head my macaroni and cheese, orange pop, dust and grime,
snot snosed
child.  What a pair.  I ran into Walmart, ignoring the stares of the
employees and customers,
grabbed the cleaner and ran through the register and out the store.  Outside,
my son spots
the tractors they are trying to get rid off and wants to ride.  He pulls the
screaming fit from
hell right there in the parking lot.   Needless to say, we were completely
and emphatically
pathetic looking.  I then remembered this board and it's intolerance for
dirty moms and snot
nosed children in Walmart and burst into hysterical laughter thinking I was
about to be the subject of someone's post.  After that day, I will never ever
again look at another person
and judge from where they come.  Who knows what kind of a day they had or
what they
had been doing, or better yet, what they still needed to do.  I wasn't going
to put a clean
change of clothes for my son or myself just to run in Walmart for 5 minutes,
only to come
back and dig into the garage again.  As far as my son's face and hands, hey,
I tried to get
the stuff off his face, but it was only going to come off with a good scrub
in the tub.  So
don't judge too quickly, for you too may find a time in the future when you
appear to be
a pig in Walmart on the loose.

Babs

Subj:  Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 10:37:55 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

Okay okay okay.  Before you get upset at the subject line, let me explain.
We spent the
entire day on Sunday cleaning out our garage for the first time in 9 years.
Unbelievable
amount of crap.  Never seen so much dust, grub, grime and spiders in my
entire life.  My
2 year old had been battling a cold all weekend too, so needless to say his
face was snot
filled.  While my husband painted the garage floor, I grabbed my son and gave
him some
macaroni and cheese for lunch. I then gave him an orange pop afterward.  Back
into the
garage we went and while making our way through the garbage outside he
tripped and fell,
bumping his head.  Tears pouring down his cheeks, making their way through
the crusted
macaroni and cheese, snot and dirt on his face.  I tried to tell him that he
needed cleaning,
but like any two year old, he begged to differ.  His front shirt was now
covered in orange
pop, dust, and macaroni and cheese.  Luckily, the snot stayed on his face.
All of a sudden,
my husband told me that he needed this stuff at Walmart for the walls.  I
told him I would
go and get it, while he watched the baby.   He said he couldn't watch the
baby because
he was still painting the floor.  I grabbed Bo and off we went to Walmart.
Mind you, I
had a previously white T shirt on, a pair of paint stained sweatpants, grass
stained sneakers,
and my hair had been washed during my shower the previous night.  We all know
what
our hair looks like in the morning when we go to bed with it wet the night
before.  Now,
also picture in your head my macaroni and cheese, orange pop, dust and grime,
snot snosed
child.  What a pair.  I ran into Walmart, ignoring the stares of the
employees and customers,
grabbed the cleaner and ran through the register and out the store.  Outside,
my son spots
the tractors they are trying to get rid off and wants to ride.  He pulls the
screaming fit from
hell right there in the parking lot.   Needless to say, we were completely
and emphatically
pathetic looking.  I then remembered this board and it's intolerance for
dirty moms and snot
nosed children in Walmart and burst into hysterical laughter thinking I was
about to be the subject of someone's post.  After that day, I will never ever
again look at another person
and judge from where they come.  Who knows what kind of a day they had or
what they
had been doing, or better yet, what they still needed to do.  I wasn't going
to put a clean
change of clothes for my son or myself just to run in Walmart for 5 minutes,
only to come
back and dig into the garage again.  As far as my son's face and hands, hey,
I tried to get
the stuff off his face, but it was only going to come off with a good scrub
in the tub.  So
don't judge too quickly, for you too may find a time in the future when you
appear to be
a pig in Walmart on the loose.

Babs

Subj:  Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 10:37:55 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

Okay okay okay.  Before you get upset at the subject line, let me explain.
We spent the
entire day on Sunday cleaning out our garage for the first time in 9 years.
Unbelievable
amount of crap.  Never seen so much dust, grub, grime and spiders in my
entire life.  My
2 year old had been battling a cold all weekend too, so needless to say his
face was snot
filled.  While my husband painted the garage floor, I grabbed my son and gave
him some
macaroni and cheese for lunch. I then gave him an orange pop afterward.  Back
into the
garage we went and while making our way through the garbage outside he
tripped and fell,
bumping his head.  Tears pouring down his cheeks, making their way through
the crusted
macaroni and cheese, snot and dirt on his face.  I tried to tell him that he
needed cleaning,
but like any two year old, he begged to differ.  His front shirt was now
covered in orange
pop, dust, and macaroni and cheese.  Luckily, the snot stayed on his face.
All of a sudden,
my husband told me that he needed this stuff at Walmart for the walls.  I
told him I would
go and get it, while he watched the baby.   He said he couldn't watch the
baby because
he was still painting the floor.  I grabbed Bo and off we went to Walmart.
Mind you, I
had a previously white T shirt on, a pair of paint stained sweatpants, grass
stained sneakers,
and my hair had been washed during my shower the previous night.  We all know
what
our hair looks like in the morning when we go to bed with it wet the night
before.  Now,
also picture in your head my macaroni and cheese, orange pop, dust and grime,
snot snosed
child.  What a pair.  I ran into Walmart, ignoring the stares of the
employees and customers,
grabbed the cleaner and ran through the register and out the store.  Outside,
my son spots
the tractors they are trying to get rid off and wants to ride.  He pulls the
screaming fit from
hell right there in the parking lot.   Needless to say, we were completely
and emphatically
pathetic looking.  I then remembered this board and it's intolerance for
dirty moms and snot
nosed children in Walmart and burst into hysterical laughter thinking I was
about to be the subject of someone's post.  After that day, I will never ever
again look at another person
and judge from where they come.  Who knows what kind of a day they had or
what they
had been doing, or better yet, what they still needed to do.  I wasn't going
to put a clean
change of clothes for my son or myself just to run in Walmart for 5 minutes,
only to come
back and dig into the garage again.  As far as my son's face and hands, hey,
I tried to get
the stuff off his face, but it was only going to come off with a good scrub
in the tub.  So
don't judge too quickly, for you too may find a time in the future when you
appear to be
a pig in Walmart on the loose.

Babs

Subj:  Re:computer help please
Date:  96-09-24 10:47:25 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<Please advise:  I don't know how to format a disk for my IBM compatible so
I
can save something on it.>>>

Singer ... Go to the C: prompt in DOS. (If you have Windows, youÆll have to
exit out of it back to the C: prompt). Put the diskette in the disk drive.
Type FORMAT A: (assuming your disk drive is the A drive). Depending upon how
your system is set up, it should guide you from there.

Hope this works for you ... thatÆs the way I do it.

Ruth
Subj:  Re:computer help please
Date:  96-09-24 10:47:25 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<Please advise:  I don't know how to format a disk for my IBM compatible so
I
can save something on it.>>>

Singer ... Go to the C: prompt in DOS. (If you have Windows, youÆll have to
exit out of it back to the C: prompt). Put the diskette in the disk drive.
Type FORMAT A: (assuming your disk drive is the A drive). Depending upon how
your system is set up, it should guide you from there.

Hope this works for you ... thatÆs the way I do it.

Ruth
Subj:  Re:computer help please
Date:  96-09-24 10:47:25 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<Please advise:  I don't know how to format a disk for my IBM compatible so
I
can save something on it.>>>

Singer ... Go to the C: prompt in DOS. (If you have Windows, youÆll have to
exit out of it back to the C: prompt). Put the diskette in the disk drive.
Type FORMAT A: (assuming your disk drive is the A drive). Depending upon how
your system is set up, it should guide you from there.

Hope this works for you ... thatÆs the way I do it.

Ruth
Subj:  Re:computer help please
Date:  96-09-24 10:47:25 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<Please advise:  I don't know how to format a disk for my IBM compatible so
I
can save something on it.>>>

Singer ... Go to the C: prompt in DOS. (If you have Windows, youÆll have to
exit out of it back to the C: prompt). Put the diskette in the disk drive.
Type FORMAT A: (assuming your disk drive is the A drive). Depending upon how
your system is set up, it should guide you from there.

Hope this works for you ... thatÆs the way I do it.

Ruth
Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 10:48:52 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

This was a caricature of this folder.  I understood it and I guess I
appreciated it for what it was worth up until the last comment about Native
Americans.  Let me share my opinion...
People who write black comedy or satires are among the GREATEST writers and
philosophers of our time.  But those people are usually knowledgeable about
what is right and wrong and just love to spoof things they see that are just
so ridiculous or so ignorant that they have to make fun of it.  That's why I
love such a brand of humor.
But I don't think that the author out very much thought into his/her comment
about Native Americans.  I think it was just thrown in there as a "just in
case I haven't offended you yet, let me add this:" and it wasn't thought out
at all.Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 10:48:52 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

This was a caricature of this folder.  I understood it and I guess I
appreciated it for what it was worth up until the last comment about Native
Americans.  Let me share my opinion...
People who write black comedy or satires are among the GREATEST writers and
philosophers of our time.  But those people are usually knowledgeable about
what is right and wrong and just love to spoof things they see that are just
so ridiculous or so ignorant that they have to make fun of it.  That's why I
love such a brand of humor.
But I don't think that the author out very much thought into his/her comment
about Native Americans.  I think it was just thrown in there as a "just in
case I haven't offended you yet, let me add this:" and it wasn't thought out
at all.Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 10:48:52 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

This was a caricature of this folder.  I understood it and I guess I
appreciated it for what it was worth up until the last comment about Native
Americans.  Let me share my opinion...
People who write black comedy or satires are among the GREATEST writers and
philosophers of our time.  But those people are usually knowledgeable about
what is right and wrong and just love to spoof things they see that are just
so ridiculous or so ignorant that they have to make fun of it.  That's why I
love such a brand of humor.
But I don't think that the author out very much thought into his/her comment
about Native Americans.  I think it was just thrown in there as a "just in
case I haven't offended you yet, let me add this:" and it wasn't thought out
at all.Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 10:48:52 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

This was a caricature of this folder.  I understood it and I guess I
appreciated it for what it was worth up until the last comment about Native
Americans.  Let me share my opinion...
People who write black comedy or satires are among the GREATEST writers and
philosophers of our time.  But those people are usually knowledgeable about
what is right and wrong and just love to spoof things they see that are just
so ridiculous or so ignorant that they have to make fun of it.  That's why I
love such a brand of humor.
But I don't think that the author out very much thought into his/her comment
about Native Americans.  I think it was just thrown in there as a "just in
case I haven't offended you yet, let me add this:" and it wasn't thought out
at all.Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 10:48:52 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

This was a caricature of this folder.  I understood it and I guess I
appreciated it for what it was worth up until the last comment about Native
Americans.  Let me share my opinion...
People who write black comedy or satires are among the GREATEST writers and
philosophers of our time.  But those people are usually knowledgeable about
what is right and wrong and just love to spoof things they see that are just
so ridiculous or so ignorant that they have to make fun of it.  That's why I
love such a brand of humor.
But I don't think that the author out very much thought into his/her comment
about Native Americans.  I think it was just thrown in there as a "just in
case I haven't offended you yet, let me add this:" and it wasn't thought out
at all.Subj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 10:49:37 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<My question:  how much of the responsibility was hers, getting drunk and
vulnerable?>>>

She was not responsible for the crime of rape ... the young man was, and
should be punished to the full extent of the law. However, she did not
exercise good judgment by getting drunk (someone else can encourage you, but
they canÆt very well ôget you drunkö without your participation) and going
into a bedroom with a man she hardly knew. To me, thatÆs akin to walking
alone after dark in a bad neighborhood, or leaving all your doors and windows
unlocked ... sure, you have every right to do it, but is it really a good
idea?

I believe rape is *always* a crime, and the victim is never ôasking for itö
or ôpartly to blameö for it. I also believe muggings, carjackings,
burglaries, etc. are always crimes and the victims are not responsible ...
the criminals are. However, sensible people take precautions against those
crimes; so, too, should sensible women take precautions against rape.

Ruth


Subj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 10:49:37 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<My question:  how much of the responsibility was hers, getting drunk and
vulnerable?>>>

She was not responsible for the crime of rape ... the young man was, and
should be punished to the full extent of the law. However, she did not
exercise good judgment by getting drunk (someone else can encourage you, but
they canÆt very well ôget you drunkö without your participation) and going
into a bedroom with a man she hardly knew. To me, thatÆs akin to walking
alone after dark in a bad neighborhood, or leaving all your doors and windows
unlocked ... sure, you have every right to do it, but is it really a good
idea?

I believe rape is *always* a crime, and the victim is never ôasking for itö
or ôpartly to blameö for it. I also believe muggings, carjackings,
burglaries, etc. are always crimes and the victims are not responsible ...
the criminals are. However, sensible people take precautions against those
crimes; so, too, should sensible women take precautions against rape.

Ruth


Subj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 10:49:37 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<My question:  how much of the responsibility was hers, getting drunk and
vulnerable?>>>

She was not responsible for the crime of rape ... the young man was, and
should be punished to the full extent of the law. However, she did not
exercise good judgment by getting drunk (someone else can encourage you, but
they canÆt very well ôget you drunkö without your participation) and going
into a bedroom with a man she hardly knew. To me, thatÆs akin to walking
alone after dark in a bad neighborhood, or leaving all your doors and windows
unlocked ... sure, you have every right to do it, but is it really a good
idea?

I believe rape is *always* a crime, and the victim is never ôasking for itö
or ôpartly to blameö for it. I also believe muggings, carjackings,
burglaries, etc. are always crimes and the victims are not responsible ...
the criminals are. However, sensible people take precautions against those
crimes; so, too, should sensible women take precautions against rape.

Ruth


Subj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 10:49:37 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<My question:  how much of the responsibility was hers, getting drunk and
vulnerable?>>>

She was not responsible for the crime of rape ... the young man was, and
should be punished to the full extent of the law. However, she did not
exercise good judgment by getting drunk (someone else can encourage you, but
they canÆt very well ôget you drunkö without your participation) and going
into a bedroom with a man she hardly knew. To me, thatÆs akin to walking
alone after dark in a bad neighborhood, or leaving all your doors and windows
unlocked ... sure, you have every right to do it, but is it really a good
idea?

I believe rape is *always* a crime, and the victim is never ôasking for itö
or ôpartly to blameö for it. I also believe muggings, carjackings,
burglaries, etc. are always crimes and the victims are not responsible ...
the criminals are. However, sensible people take precautions against those
crimes; so, too, should sensible women take precautions against rape.

Ruth


Subj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 10:49:37 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<My question:  how much of the responsibility was hers, getting drunk and
vulnerable?>>>

She was not responsible for the crime of rape ... the young man was, and
should be punished to the full extent of the law. However, she did not
exercise good judgment by getting drunk (someone else can encourage you, but
they canÆt very well ôget you drunkö without your participation) and going
into a bedroom with a man she hardly knew. To me, thatÆs akin to walking
alone after dark in a bad neighborhood, or leaving all your doors and windows
unlocked ... sure, you have every right to do it, but is it really a good
idea?

I believe rape is *always* a crime, and the victim is never ôasking for itö
or ôpartly to blameö for it. I also believe muggings, carjackings,
burglaries, etc. are always crimes and the victims are not responsible ...
the criminals are. However, sensible people take precautions against those
crimes; so, too, should sensible women take precautions against rape.

Ruth


Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 10:50:52 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

I do believe in becoming involved, but I try to take a little time to just
watch closely and assess the situation before I jump in. Things arenÆt always
what they seem at first glance.

 I remember a time when my daughter was 4 and having a HUGE fit in the
checkout lane at Target. (She is what is popularly known these days as a
ôspiritedö child, plus she has ADD that was not yet diagnosed at that time).
The cashier was sympathetic and was trying to hurry my order, while I was
trying to write a check with one hand and hold on to Corrie with the other.
She was screaming, bawling and finally wrenched herself out of my grasp and
sprawled into the aisle. A woman walking by looked at me with the meanest
expression IÆve ever seen and said, ôMaÆam, your child fell, arenÆt you going
to DO anything about it?ö I said, ôLady (yes, I used it condescendingly!),
sheÆs having a tantrum, but if you think you can handle the situation, be my
guest.ö (Corrie, not hurt, is still wailing.)

The woman bent down and cooed sweetly, ôHoney, come here, are you all right?ö
Corrie shrieked, ôGet away from me!ö and kicked at her. The woman muttered
something about ôspoiled kidsö and hurried away. (I noted that her disgust
shifted from me to my daughter in a big hurry!) I was smiling and the cashier
was shaking her head, saying, ôI canÆt believe the nerve of some people.ö

BTW, by the time we got to the car, Corrie was sobbing in remorse and saying,
ôIÆm so sorry, Mommy, IÆm so sorry, I canÆt believe I did that, IÆm so
sorry.ö So we spent the next several minutes in the car hugging, while I
assured her that everyone has a bad day now and then (someone was probably
waiting impatiently for my parking spot! LOL!), and that I was sure she would
never do that again. And she never has :)

Sorry ... anyway, my point (and I do have one, as Ellen DeGeneres says <g>)
is that strangers should be sure of what theyÆre doing before they jump into
someone elseÆs business. In an emergency, sure ... if itÆs just to offer
parenting advice, probably not.

Ruth
Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 10:50:52 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

I do believe in becoming involved, but I try to take a little time to just
watch closely and assess the situation before I jump in. Things arenÆt always
what they seem at first glance.

 I remember a time when my daughter was 4 and having a HUGE fit in the
checkout lane at Target. (She is what is popularly known these days as a
ôspiritedö child, plus she has ADD that was not yet diagnosed at that time).
The cashier was sympathetic and was trying to hurry my order, while I was
trying to write a check with one hand and hold on to Corrie with the other.
She was screaming, bawling and finally wrenched herself out of my grasp and
sprawled into the aisle. A woman walking by looked at me with the meanest
expression IÆve ever seen and said, ôMaÆam, your child fell, arenÆt you going
to DO anything about it?ö I said, ôLady (yes, I used it condescendingly!),
sheÆs having a tantrum, but if you think you can handle the situation, be my
guest.ö (Corrie, not hurt, is still wailing.)

The woman bent down and cooed sweetly, ôHoney, come here, are you all right?ö
Corrie shrieked, ôGet away from me!ö and kicked at her. The woman muttered
something about ôspoiled kidsö and hurried away. (I noted that her disgust
shifted from me to my daughter in a big hurry!) I was smiling and the cashier
was shaking her head, saying, ôI canÆt believe the nerve of some people.ö

BTW, by the time we got to the car, Corrie was sobbing in remorse and saying,
ôIÆm so sorry, Mommy, IÆm so sorry, I canÆt believe I did that, IÆm so
sorry.ö So we spent the next several minutes in the car hugging, while I
assured her that everyone has a bad day now and then (someone was probably
waiting impatiently for my parking spot! LOL!), and that I was sure she would
never do that again. And she never has :)

Sorry ... anyway, my point (and I do have one, as Ellen DeGeneres says <g>)
is that strangers should be sure of what theyÆre doing before they jump into
someone elseÆs business. In an emergency, sure ... if itÆs just to offer
parenting advice, probably not.

Ruth
Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 10:50:52 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

I do believe in becoming involved, but I try to take a little time to just
watch closely and assess the situation before I jump in. Things arenÆt always
what they seem at first glance.

 I remember a time when my daughter was 4 and having a HUGE fit in the
checkout lane at Target. (She is what is popularly known these days as a
ôspiritedö child, plus she has ADD that was not yet diagnosed at that time).
The cashier was sympathetic and was trying to hurry my order, while I was
trying to write a check with one hand and hold on to Corrie with the other.
She was screaming, bawling and finally wrenched herself out of my grasp and
sprawled into the aisle. A woman walking by looked at me with the meanest
expression IÆve ever seen and said, ôMaÆam, your child fell, arenÆt you going
to DO anything about it?ö I said, ôLady (yes, I used it condescendingly!),
sheÆs having a tantrum, but if you think you can handle the situation, be my
guest.ö (Corrie, not hurt, is still wailing.)

The woman bent down and cooed sweetly, ôHoney, come here, are you all right?ö
Corrie shrieked, ôGet away from me!ö and kicked at her. The woman muttered
something about ôspoiled kidsö and hurried away. (I noted that her disgust
shifted from me to my daughter in a big hurry!) I was smiling and the cashier
was shaking her head, saying, ôI canÆt believe the nerve of some people.ö

BTW, by the time we got to the car, Corrie was sobbing in remorse and saying,
ôIÆm so sorry, Mommy, IÆm so sorry, I canÆt believe I did that, IÆm so
sorry.ö So we spent the next several minutes in the car hugging, while I
assured her that everyone has a bad day now and then (someone was probably
waiting impatiently for my parking spot! LOL!), and that I was sure she would
never do that again. And she never has :)

Sorry ... anyway, my point (and I do have one, as Ellen DeGeneres says <g>)
is that strangers should be sure of what theyÆre doing before they jump into
someone elseÆs business. In an emergency, sure ... if itÆs just to offer
parenting advice, probably not.

Ruth
Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 10:50:52 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

I do believe in becoming involved, but I try to take a little time to just
watch closely and assess the situation before I jump in. Things arenÆt always
what they seem at first glance.

 I remember a time when my daughter was 4 and having a HUGE fit in the
checkout lane at Target. (She is what is popularly known these days as a
ôspiritedö child, plus she has ADD that was not yet diagnosed at that time).
The cashier was sympathetic and was trying to hurry my order, while I was
trying to write a check with one hand and hold on to Corrie with the other.
She was screaming, bawling and finally wrenched herself out of my grasp and
sprawled into the aisle. A woman walking by looked at me with the meanest
expression IÆve ever seen and said, ôMaÆam, your child fell, arenÆt you going
to DO anything about it?ö I said, ôLady (yes, I used it condescendingly!),
sheÆs having a tantrum, but if you think you can handle the situation, be my
guest.ö (Corrie, not hurt, is still wailing.)

The woman bent down and cooed sweetly, ôHoney, come here, are you all right?ö
Corrie shrieked, ôGet away from me!ö and kicked at her. The woman muttered
something about ôspoiled kidsö and hurried away. (I noted that her disgust
shifted from me to my daughter in a big hurry!) I was smiling and the cashier
was shaking her head, saying, ôI canÆt believe the nerve of some people.ö

BTW, by the time we got to the car, Corrie was sobbing in remorse and saying,
ôIÆm so sorry, Mommy, IÆm so sorry, I canÆt believe I did that, IÆm so
sorry.ö So we spent the next several minutes in the car hugging, while I
assured her that everyone has a bad day now and then (someone was probably
waiting impatiently for my parking spot! LOL!), and that I was sure she would
never do that again. And she never has :)

Sorry ... anyway, my point (and I do have one, as Ellen DeGeneres says <g>)
is that strangers should be sure of what theyÆre doing before they jump into
someone elseÆs business. In an emergency, sure ... if itÆs just to offer
parenting advice, probably not.

Ruth
Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 10:50:52 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

I do believe in becoming involved, but I try to take a little time to just
watch closely and assess the situation before I jump in. Things arenÆt always
what they seem at first glance.

 I remember a time when my daughter was 4 and having a HUGE fit in the
checkout lane at Target. (She is what is popularly known these days as a
ôspiritedö child, plus she has ADD that was not yet diagnosed at that time).
The cashier was sympathetic and was trying to hurry my order, while I was
trying to write a check with one hand and hold on to Corrie with the other.
She was screaming, bawling and finally wrenched herself out of my grasp and
sprawled into the aisle. A woman walking by looked at me with the meanest
expression IÆve ever seen and said, ôMaÆam, your child fell, arenÆt you going
to DO anything about it?ö I said, ôLady (yes, I used it condescendingly!),
sheÆs having a tantrum, but if you think you can handle the situation, be my
guest.ö (Corrie, not hurt, is still wailing.)

The woman bent down and cooed sweetly, ôHoney, come here, are you all right?ö
Corrie shrieked, ôGet away from me!ö and kicked at her. The woman muttered
something about ôspoiled kidsö and hurried away. (I noted that her disgust
shifted from me to my daughter in a big hurry!) I was smiling and the cashier
was shaking her head, saying, ôI canÆt believe the nerve of some people.ö

BTW, by the time we got to the car, Corrie was sobbing in remorse and saying,
ôIÆm so sorry, Mommy, IÆm so sorry, I canÆt believe I did that, IÆm so
sorry.ö So we spent the next several minutes in the car hugging, while I
assured her that everyone has a bad day now and then (someone was probably
waiting impatiently for my parking spot! LOL!), and that I was sure she would
never do that again. And she never has :)

Sorry ... anyway, my point (and I do have one, as Ellen DeGeneres says <g>)
is that strangers should be sure of what theyÆre doing before they jump into
someone elseÆs business. In an emergency, sure ... if itÆs just to offer
parenting advice, probably not.

Ruth
Subj:  Re:beating that dead horse
Date:  96-09-24 10:55:23 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

<<did not wash her hands after changing diapers and passed it along from a
child that had it-to another.>>>

Additionally, this is how polio is spread.Subj:  Re:beating that dead horse
Date:  96-09-24 10:55:23 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

<<did not wash her hands after changing diapers and passed it along from a
child that had it-to another.>>>

Additionally, this is how polio is spread.Subj:  Re:beating that dead horse
Date:  96-09-24 10:55:23 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

<<did not wash her hands after changing diapers and passed it along from a
child that had it-to another.>>>

Additionally, this is how polio is spread.Subj:  Re:beating that dead horse
Date:  96-09-24 10:55:23 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

<<did not wash her hands after changing diapers and passed it along from a
child that had it-to another.>>>

Additionally, this is how polio is spread.Subj:  Re:beating that dead horse
Date:  96-09-24 10:55:23 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

<<did not wash her hands after changing diapers and passed it along from a
child that had it-to another.>>>

Additionally, this is how polio is spread.Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 10:58:55 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<You guys definitely lack the sense of humor portion
of your brains.>>>

Actually, Babs, the humor portion of my brain is intact. A few things I think
are funny, just off the top of my head .... The movies "Used Cars" and
"Blazing Saddles" ... cartoons The Far Side, Calvin and Hobbes and Callahan
... the TV show "Frasier" ... humorists P.J. O'Rourke and Dave Barry
(especially his annual "Year in Review") ... comedian Steven Wright .... and
many others.

Things I don't think are funny ... 90 percent of Jim Carrey's stuff (I'm not
into physical comedy) ... the 3 Stooges ... most sitcoms ...  and Here2's
post ...

Ruth

Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 10:58:55 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<You guys definitely lack the sense of humor portion
of your brains.>>>

Actually, Babs, the humor portion of my brain is intact. A few things I think
are funny, just off the top of my head .... The movies "Used Cars" and
"Blazing Saddles" ... cartoons The Far Side, Calvin and Hobbes and Callahan
... the TV show "Frasier" ... humorists P.J. O'Rourke and Dave Barry
(especially his annual "Year in Review") ... comedian Steven Wright .... and
many others.

Things I don't think are funny ... 90 percent of Jim Carrey's stuff (I'm not
into physical comedy) ... the 3 Stooges ... most sitcoms ...  and Here2's
post ...

Ruth

Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 10:58:55 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<You guys definitely lack the sense of humor portion
of your brains.>>>

Actually, Babs, the humor portion of my brain is intact. A few things I think
are funny, just off the top of my head .... The movies "Used Cars" and
"Blazing Saddles" ... cartoons The Far Side, Calvin and Hobbes and Callahan
... the TV show "Frasier" ... humorists P.J. O'Rourke and Dave Barry
(especially his annual "Year in Review") ... comedian Steven Wright .... and
many others.

Things I don't think are funny ... 90 percent of Jim Carrey's stuff (I'm not
into physical comedy) ... the 3 Stooges ... most sitcoms ...  and Here2's
post ...

Ruth

Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 10:58:55 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<You guys definitely lack the sense of humor portion
of your brains.>>>

Actually, Babs, the humor portion of my brain is intact. A few things I think
are funny, just off the top of my head .... The movies "Used Cars" and
"Blazing Saddles" ... cartoons The Far Side, Calvin and Hobbes and Callahan
... the TV show "Frasier" ... humorists P.J. O'Rourke and Dave Barry
(especially his annual "Year in Review") ... comedian Steven Wright .... and
many others.

Things I don't think are funny ... 90 percent of Jim Carrey's stuff (I'm not
into physical comedy) ... the 3 Stooges ... most sitcoms ...  and Here2's
post ...

Ruth

Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 10:58:55 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<You guys definitely lack the sense of humor portion
of your brains.>>>

Actually, Babs, the humor portion of my brain is intact. A few things I think
are funny, just off the top of my head .... The movies "Used Cars" and
"Blazing Saddles" ... cartoons The Far Side, Calvin and Hobbes and Callahan
... the TV show "Frasier" ... humorists P.J. O'Rourke and Dave Barry
(especially his annual "Year in Review") ... comedian Steven Wright .... and
many others.

Things I don't think are funny ... 90 percent of Jim Carrey's stuff (I'm not
into physical comedy) ... the 3 Stooges ... most sitcoms ...  and Here2's
post ...

Ruth

Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 10:58:55 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<You guys definitely lack the sense of humor portion
of your brains.>>>

Actually, Babs, the humor portion of my brain is intact. A few things I think
are funny, just off the top of my head .... The movies "Used Cars" and
"Blazing Saddles" ... cartoons The Far Side, Calvin and Hobbes and Callahan
... the TV show "Frasier" ... humorists P.J. O'Rourke and Dave Barry
(especially his annual "Year in Review") ... comedian Steven Wright .... and
many others.

Things I don't think are funny ... 90 percent of Jim Carrey's stuff (I'm not
into physical comedy) ... the 3 Stooges ... most sitcoms ...  and Here2's
post ...

Ruth

Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 10:59:57 edt
From:  CLSMommy
Posted on:  America Online

Thank you for that post!  I was beginning to feel like I was the only one
whose DH didn't get the fact that the house wasn't the most important thing
in my life!

So what if the kitchen is covered in empty soda pop cans (in MIchigan we have
to pay 10 cent deposit, so you can't just throw then into recycling, you have
to box them back up and take to the store), and the living room looks like a
lot of living is being done there, my kids eat good meals, they wear clean
clothes, and I make sure they shower and brush their teeth every night!

When my dh starts putting ANY of his clothes in the hamper when he's done
with them, maybe I'll start giving a d*** about the rest of the house!Subj:
Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 10:59:57 edt
From:  CLSMommy
Posted on:  America Online

Thank you for that post!  I was beginning to feel like I was the only one
whose DH didn't get the fact that the house wasn't the most important thing
in my life!

So what if the kitchen is covered in empty soda pop cans (in MIchigan we have
to pay 10 cent deposit, so you can't just throw then into recycling, you have
to box them back up and take to the store), and the living room looks like a
lot of living is being done there, my kids eat good meals, they wear clean
clothes, and I make sure they shower and brush their teeth every night!

When my dh starts putting ANY of his clothes in the hamper when he's done
with them, maybe I'll start giving a d*** about the rest of the house!Subj:
Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 10:59:57 edt
From:  CLSMommy
Posted on:  America Online

Thank you for that post!  I was beginning to feel like I was the only one
whose DH didn't get the fact that the house wasn't the most important thing
in my life!

So what if the kitchen is covered in empty soda pop cans (in MIchigan we have
to pay 10 cent deposit, so you can't just throw then into recycling, you have
to box them back up and take to the store), and the living room looks like a
lot of living is being done there, my kids eat good meals, they wear clean
clothes, and I make sure they shower and brush their teeth every night!

When my dh starts putting ANY of his clothes in the hamper when he's done
with them, maybe I'll start giving a d*** about the rest of the house!Subj:
Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 10:59:57 edt
From:  CLSMommy
Posted on:  America Online

Thank you for that post!  I was beginning to feel like I was the only one
whose DH didn't get the fact that the house wasn't the most important thing
in my life!

So what if the kitchen is covered in empty soda pop cans (in MIchigan we have
to pay 10 cent deposit, so you can't just throw then into recycling, you have
to box them back up and take to the store), and the living room looks like a
lot of living is being done there, my kids eat good meals, they wear clean
clothes, and I make sure they shower and brush their teeth every night!

When my dh starts putting ANY of his clothes in the hamper when he's done
with them, maybe I'll start giving a d*** about the rest of the house!Subj:
Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 10:59:57 edt
From:  CLSMommy
Posted on:  America Online

Thank you for that post!  I was beginning to feel like I was the only one
whose DH didn't get the fact that the house wasn't the most important thing
in my life!

So what if the kitchen is covered in empty soda pop cans (in MIchigan we have
to pay 10 cent deposit, so you can't just throw then into recycling, you have
to box them back up and take to the store), and the living room looks like a
lot of living is being done there, my kids eat good meals, they wear clean
clothes, and I make sure they shower and brush their teeth every night!

When my dh starts putting ANY of his clothes in the hamper when he's done
with them, maybe I'll start giving a d*** about the rest of the house!Subj:
Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 11:11:34 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

I agree with Beca...Boys need to be taught more respect for women and girls
need to be taught more respect for themselves than what has been taught.  I
happened to me when I was 15.  A male friend later told me that they guy said
he was going to "get" me that night.  We were all planning on getting drunk
that night, and I knew this guy would be there.  He had been making advances
on me the last few parties we had been to, and while still sober a friend and
I promised each other not to let the other out of her sight.  I thought that
would be my protection.
It's all too clear in my mind...The guy wanted to go off and "talk to me" (we
were out in a field having this party) and I knew it wasn't a good idea but I
was drunk, and moreover, I was FIFTEEN and not very wise.  As we were leaving
the area I asked another guy to come with us.  He probably was thinking how
he wanted to but also wanted to give this other guy a chance to "get some
play" so he didn't.
When they heard my screaming and moans of pain the rest of the group came up
to see what was going on.  The guys thought it was funny and the girls
couldn't believe what they saw and blamed it on me!
Somehow kids need to be taught to be turned off by alcohol.  This situation
would have been avoided if my parents were MORE strict than they already were
and checked MORE than they already did to make sure they always knew where I
was (or better yet never let me out of the house), but even if you lock your
kids in the basement for their teen years, eventually they will be out in the
world alone.  And they will come into contact with alcohol or other
compromising situations and they need the confidence to do what is right.
Subj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 11:11:34 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

I agree with Beca...Boys need to be taught more respect for women and girls
need to be taught more respect for themselves than what has been taught.  I
happened to me when I was 15.  A male friend later told me that they guy said
he was going to "get" me that night.  We were all planning on getting drunk
that night, and I knew this guy would be there.  He had been making advances
on me the last few parties we had been to, and while still sober a friend and
I promised each other not to let the other out of her sight.  I thought that
would be my protection.
It's all too clear in my mind...The guy wanted to go off and "talk to me" (we
were out in a field having this party) and I knew it wasn't a good idea but I
was drunk, and moreover, I was FIFTEEN and not very wise.  As we were leaving
the area I asked another guy to come with us.  He probably was thinking how
he wanted to but also wanted to give this other guy a chance to "get some
play" so he didn't.
When they heard my screaming and moans of pain the rest of the group came up
to see what was going on.  The guys thought it was funny and the girls
couldn't believe what they saw and blamed it on me!
Somehow kids need to be taught to be turned off by alcohol.  This situation
would have been avoided if my parents were MORE strict than they already were
and checked MORE than they already did to make sure they always knew where I
was (or better yet never let me out of the house), but even if you lock your
kids in the basement for their teen years, eventually they will be out in the
world alone.  And they will come into contact with alcohol or other
compromising situations and they need the confidence to do what is right.
Subj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 11:11:34 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

I agree with Beca...Boys need to be taught more respect for women and girls
need to be taught more respect for themselves than what has been taught.  I
happened to me when I was 15.  A male friend later told me that they guy said
he was going to "get" me that night.  We were all planning on getting drunk
that night, and I knew this guy would be there.  He had been making advances
on me the last few parties we had been to, and while still sober a friend and
I promised each other not to let the other out of her sight.  I thought that
would be my protection.
It's all too clear in my mind...The guy wanted to go off and "talk to me" (we
were out in a field having this party) and I knew it wasn't a good idea but I
was drunk, and moreover, I was FIFTEEN and not very wise.  As we were leaving
the area I asked another guy to come with us.  He probably was thinking how
he wanted to but also wanted to give this other guy a chance to "get some
play" so he didn't.
When they heard my screaming and moans of pain the rest of the group came up
to see what was going on.  The guys thought it was funny and the girls
couldn't believe what they saw and blamed it on me!
Somehow kids need to be taught to be turned off by alcohol.  This situation
would have been avoided if my parents were MORE strict than they already were
and checked MORE than they already did to make sure they always knew where I
was (or better yet never let me out of the house), but even if you lock your
kids in the basement for their teen years, eventually they will be out in the
world alone.  And they will come into contact with alcohol or other
compromising situations and they need the confidence to do what is right.
Subj:  Re:Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-24 11:12:19 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<The statistics are well-known...condoms and birth control don't protect
100% against pregnancy, AIDS, or any other STD.  Why would anyone want to
take a chance, even a small one?>>

This has been discussed here before, not that that means it shouldn't be
again. I wonder if I'll be called a "hopless bleeding heart" again?

OF COURSE abstinence is the best way to avoid pregnancy and STD. But the
*facts* are that some teens are going to have sex anyway. Hell, even *adults*
have unprotected sex with strangers, knowing the risks- why do you expect
more of ALL teens?

I'd much rather my child was taught about birth control and protection *in
addition to* learning that abstinence is the safest route of all, and I'll
bet you *anything* that that's what the schools are teaching.

You imply that they don't even mention abstinence. My guess is that they DO
promote it, but you're just hot because you think that's *all* they should
teach.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Let me know if your beef is that your local school
never mentions abstinence, they just whip out the condoms and diaphragms
first thing.

LynnSubj:  Re:Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-24 11:12:19 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<The statistics are well-known...condoms and birth control don't protect
100% against pregnancy, AIDS, or any other STD.  Why would anyone want to
take a chance, even a small one?>>

This has been discussed here before, not that that means it shouldn't be
again. I wonder if I'll be called a "hopless bleeding heart" again?

OF COURSE abstinence is the best way to avoid pregnancy and STD. But the
*facts* are that some teens are going to have sex anyway. Hell, even *adults*
have unprotected sex with strangers, knowing the risks- why do you expect
more of ALL teens?

I'd much rather my child was taught about birth control and protection *in
addition to* learning that abstinence is the safest route of all, and I'll
bet you *anything* that that's what the schools are teaching.

You imply that they don't even mention abstinence. My guess is that they DO
promote it, but you're just hot because you think that's *all* they should
teach.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Let me know if your beef is that your local school
never mentions abstinence, they just whip out the condoms and diaphragms
first thing.

LynnSubj:  Re:Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-24 11:12:19 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<The statistics are well-known...condoms and birth control don't protect
100% against pregnancy, AIDS, or any other STD.  Why would anyone want to
take a chance, even a small one?>>

This has been discussed here before, not that that means it shouldn't be
again. I wonder if I'll be called a "hopless bleeding heart" again?

OF COURSE abstinence is the best way to avoid pregnancy and STD. But the
*facts* are that some teens are going to have sex anyway. Hell, even *adults*
have unprotected sex with strangers, knowing the risks- why do you expect
more of ALL teens?

I'd much rather my child was taught about birth control and protection *in
addition to* learning that abstinence is the safest route of all, and I'll
bet you *anything* that that's what the schools are teaching.

You imply that they don't even mention abstinence. My guess is that they DO
promote it, but you're just hot because you think that's *all* they should
teach.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Let me know if your beef is that your local school
never mentions abstinence, they just whip out the condoms and diaphragms
first thing.

LynnSubj:  Re:Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-24 11:12:19 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<The statistics are well-known...condoms and birth control don't protect
100% against pregnancy, AIDS, or any other STD.  Why would anyone want to
take a chance, even a small one?>>

This has been discussed here before, not that that means it shouldn't be
again. I wonder if I'll be called a "hopless bleeding heart" again?

OF COURSE abstinence is the best way to avoid pregnancy and STD. But the
*facts* are that some teens are going to have sex anyway. Hell, even *adults*
have unprotected sex with strangers, knowing the risks- why do you expect
more of ALL teens?

I'd much rather my child was taught about birth control and protection *in
addition to* learning that abstinence is the safest route of all, and I'll
bet you *anything* that that's what the schools are teaching.

You imply that they don't even mention abstinence. My guess is that they DO
promote it, but you're just hot because you think that's *all* they should
teach.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Let me know if your beef is that your local school
never mentions abstinence, they just whip out the condoms and diaphragms
first thing.

LynnSubj:  Re:Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-24 11:12:19 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<The statistics are well-known...condoms and birth control don't protect
100% against pregnancy, AIDS, or any other STD.  Why would anyone want to
take a chance, even a small one?>>

This has been discussed here before, not that that means it shouldn't be
again. I wonder if I'll be called a "hopless bleeding heart" again?

OF COURSE abstinence is the best way to avoid pregnancy and STD. But the
*facts* are that some teens are going to have sex anyway. Hell, even *adults*
have unprotected sex with strangers, knowing the risks- why do you expect
more of ALL teens?

I'd much rather my child was taught about birth control and protection *in
addition to* learning that abstinence is the safest route of all, and I'll
bet you *anything* that that's what the schools are teaching.

You imply that they don't even mention abstinence. My guess is that they DO
promote it, but you're just hot because you think that's *all* they should
teach.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Let me know if your beef is that your local school
never mentions abstinence, they just whip out the condoms and diaphragms
first thing.

LynnSubj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-24 11:24:34 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

My mama is a R.N.  She tought us an extra rule.   turn the water on wash -
get paper towel - turn off water - use paper towel to open door throw away
outside restroom.  touching the faucet and door will just give germs back to
you!   It's harder when there's the blow dryers!   Carry and extra paper
towel or wipe.  Mama's always have that stuff!Subj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-24 11:24:34 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

My mama is a R.N.  She tought us an extra rule.   turn the water on wash -
get paper towel - turn off water - use paper towel to open door throw away
outside restroom.  touching the faucet and door will just give germs back to
you!   It's harder when there's the blow dryers!   Carry and extra paper
towel or wipe.  Mama's always have that stuff!Subj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-24 11:24:34 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

My mama is a R.N.  She tought us an extra rule.   turn the water on wash -
get paper towel - turn off water - use paper towel to open door throw away
outside restroom.  touching the faucet and door will just give germs back to
you!   It's harder when there's the blow dryers!   Carry and extra paper
towel or wipe.  Mama's always have that stuff!Subj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-24 11:24:34 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

My mama is a R.N.  She tought us an extra rule.   turn the water on wash -
get paper towel - turn off water - use paper towel to open door throw away
outside restroom.  touching the faucet and door will just give germs back to
you!   It's harder when there's the blow dryers!   Carry and extra paper
towel or wipe.  Mama's always have that stuff!Subj:  Re:Wash Your Hands!
Date:  96-09-24 11:24:34 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

My mama is a R.N.  She tought us an extra rule.   turn the water on wash -
get paper towel - turn off water - use paper towel to open door throw away
outside restroom.  touching the faucet and door will just give germs back to
you!   It's harder when there's the blow dryers!   Carry and extra paper
towel or wipe.  Mama's always have that stuff!Subj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-24 11:48:52 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

I totally agree with you on those points- if I saw an employee of the
restaraunt where I was eating not wash their hands after using the bathroom,
you bet I would way something!!  It's gross.  But in terms of just a normal,
everyday person in a department store restroom or something, no, I wouldn't,
I would just use a towel to open the door.  Like I said, i ALWAYS wash my
hands; oops, except when I get up to pee in the middle of the night (I am 38
weeks pg, so...I do this a lot) so I am not likely to be targeted in a public
restroom.  I just personally think it's rude (except in cases as stated
above).
KaySubj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-24 11:48:52 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

I totally agree with you on those points- if I saw an employee of the
restaraunt where I was eating not wash their hands after using the bathroom,
you bet I would way something!!  It's gross.  But in terms of just a normal,
everyday person in a department store restroom or something, no, I wouldn't,
I would just use a towel to open the door.  Like I said, i ALWAYS wash my
hands; oops, except when I get up to pee in the middle of the night (I am 38
weeks pg, so...I do this a lot) so I am not likely to be targeted in a public
restroom.  I just personally think it's rude (except in cases as stated
above).
KaySubj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-24 11:48:52 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

I totally agree with you on those points- if I saw an employee of the
restaraunt where I was eating not wash their hands after using the bathroom,
you bet I would way something!!  It's gross.  But in terms of just a normal,
everyday person in a department store restroom or something, no, I wouldn't,
I would just use a towel to open the door.  Like I said, i ALWAYS wash my
hands; oops, except when I get up to pee in the middle of the night (I am 38
weeks pg, so...I do this a lot) so I am not likely to be targeted in a public
restroom.  I just personally think it's rude (except in cases as stated
above).
KaySubj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-24 11:48:52 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

I totally agree with you on those points- if I saw an employee of the
restaraunt where I was eating not wash their hands after using the bathroom,
you bet I would way something!!  It's gross.  But in terms of just a normal,
everyday person in a department store restroom or something, no, I wouldn't,
I would just use a towel to open the door.  Like I said, i ALWAYS wash my
hands; oops, except when I get up to pee in the middle of the night (I am 38
weeks pg, so...I do this a lot) so I am not likely to be targeted in a public
restroom.  I just personally think it's rude (except in cases as stated
above).
KaySubj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 11:54:36 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

LOL Babs!!! What a visual!

LynnSubj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 11:54:36 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

LOL Babs!!! What a visual!

LynnSubj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 11:54:36 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

LOL Babs!!! What a visual!

LynnSubj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 11:54:36 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

LOL Babs!!! What a visual!

LynnSubj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 11:54:36 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

LOL Babs!!! What a visual!

LynnSubj:  Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 11:55:18 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<he also said he was real proud of me for volunteering for the board
position (you can't get elected when no one else wants it!!) and would be
happy to "babysit" when I have meetings!!>>

I suppose this really belongs on the Pet Peeves board, but I HATE it when a
parent (usually the father) volunteers to "babysit". When my friends and I go
out and someone says their husband is babysitting, I say "oh yeah? We could
use a sitter Saturday night- how much does he charge?" These are his children
too, and he does NOT "babysit" them- he cares for them, the same as the woman
does when he is gone.

ARGH!

LynnSubj:  Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 11:55:18 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<he also said he was real proud of me for volunteering for the board
position (you can't get elected when no one else wants it!!) and would be
happy to "babysit" when I have meetings!!>>

I suppose this really belongs on the Pet Peeves board, but I HATE it when a
parent (usually the father) volunteers to "babysit". When my friends and I go
out and someone says their husband is babysitting, I say "oh yeah? We could
use a sitter Saturday night- how much does he charge?" These are his children
too, and he does NOT "babysit" them- he cares for them, the same as the woman
does when he is gone.

ARGH!

LynnSubj:  Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 11:55:18 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<he also said he was real proud of me for volunteering for the board
position (you can't get elected when no one else wants it!!) and would be
happy to "babysit" when I have meetings!!>>

I suppose this really belongs on the Pet Peeves board, but I HATE it when a
parent (usually the father) volunteers to "babysit". When my friends and I go
out and someone says their husband is babysitting, I say "oh yeah? We could
use a sitter Saturday night- how much does he charge?" These are his children
too, and he does NOT "babysit" them- he cares for them, the same as the woman
does when he is gone.

ARGH!

LynnSubj:  Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 11:55:18 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<he also said he was real proud of me for volunteering for the board
position (you can't get elected when no one else wants it!!) and would be
happy to "babysit" when I have meetings!!>>

I suppose this really belongs on the Pet Peeves board, but I HATE it when a
parent (usually the father) volunteers to "babysit". When my friends and I go
out and someone says their husband is babysitting, I say "oh yeah? We could
use a sitter Saturday night- how much does he charge?" These are his children
too, and he does NOT "babysit" them- he cares for them, the same as the woman
does when he is gone.

ARGH!

LynnSubj:  Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 11:55:18 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<he also said he was real proud of me for volunteering for the board
position (you can't get elected when no one else wants it!!) and would be
happy to "babysit" when I have meetings!!>>

I suppose this really belongs on the Pet Peeves board, but I HATE it when a
parent (usually the father) volunteers to "babysit". When my friends and I go
out and someone says their husband is babysitting, I say "oh yeah? We could
use a sitter Saturday night- how much does he charge?" These are his children
too, and he does NOT "babysit" them- he cares for them, the same as the woman
does when he is gone.

ARGH!

LynnSubj:  Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 11:55:18 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<he also said he was real proud of me for volunteering for the board
position (you can't get elected when no one else wants it!!) and would be
happy to "babysit" when I have meetings!!>>

I suppose this really belongs on the Pet Peeves board, but I HATE it when a
parent (usually the father) volunteers to "babysit". When my friends and I go
out and someone says their husband is babysitting, I say "oh yeah? We could
use a sitter Saturday night- how much does he charge?" These are his children
too, and he does NOT "babysit" them- he cares for them, the same as the woman
does when he is gone.

ARGH!

LynnSubj:  Re:Doctors handwashing
Date:  96-09-24 11:56:04 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

Carol,
         Relax!  I will look up the research if you like....I am sorry I
didn't memorize it...I know that more that 50% DID NOT wash their hands and
the study was done by John Hopkins public health.

I was just commenting on this because the new report that the average citizen
does not wash their hands after using the bathroom....doctors are TRAINED to
wash their hands all the time and yet they obviously don't.

No one said this study was going to win a Nobel Prize, just offer some
enlightenment.Subj:  Re:Doctors handwashing
Date:  96-09-24 11:56:04 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

Carol,
         Relax!  I will look up the research if you like....I am sorry I
didn't memorize it...I know that more that 50% DID NOT wash their hands and
the study was done by John Hopkins public health.

I was just commenting on this because the new report that the average citizen
does not wash their hands after using the bathroom....doctors are TRAINED to
wash their hands all the time and yet they obviously don't.

No one said this study was going to win a Nobel Prize, just offer some
enlightenment.Subj:  Re:Doctors handwashing
Date:  96-09-24 11:56:04 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

Carol,
         Relax!  I will look up the research if you like....I am sorry I
didn't memorize it...I know that more that 50% DID NOT wash their hands and
the study was done by John Hopkins public health.

I was just commenting on this because the new report that the average citizen
does not wash their hands after using the bathroom....doctors are TRAINED to
wash their hands all the time and yet they obviously don't.

No one said this study was going to win a Nobel Prize, just offer some
enlightenment.Subj:  Re:Doctors handwashing
Date:  96-09-24 11:56:04 edt
From:  AmyMer
Posted on:  America Online

Carol,
         Relax!  I will look up the research if you like....I am sorry I
didn't memorize it...I know that more that 50% DID NOT wash their hands and
the study was done by John Hopkins public health.

I was just commenting on this because the new report that the average citizen
does not wash their hands after using the bathroom....doctors are TRAINED to
wash their hands all the time and yet they obviously don't.

No one said this study was going to win a Nobel Prize, just offer some
enlightenment.Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 11:56:18 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<So you had a hectic day.  Did you happen to think of what his day was
like?...And I know when I do those little extra things to make it easier for
him he appreciates that.>>

Sorry, but this really smacks of Stepford Wife to me. On the radio a few
weeks ago they were reading this list of things wives should do for their
husbands; it was written for Home Ec classes in the 1950s or 60s. Things like
"he's had a hard day, so don't bother him with your petty problems; let him
relax and keep the children away from him; make sure the children are bathed
and fed when he gets home, he's going to want to see them at their best; be
sure to freshen your makeup and put on a clean dress before he gets home" etc
etc. It was a scream, until you consider that this is actually what girls
were being taught.

As for whether my husband and I "spoil" each other- no, nor does either of us
wish to be spoiled. Merely treated with consideration and respect.

LynnSubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 11:56:18 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<So you had a hectic day.  Did you happen to think of what his day was
like?...And I know when I do those little extra things to make it easier for
him he appreciates that.>>

Sorry, but this really smacks of Stepford Wife to me. On the radio a few
weeks ago they were reading this list of things wives should do for their
husbands; it was written for Home Ec classes in the 1950s or 60s. Things like
"he's had a hard day, so don't bother him with your petty problems; let him
relax and keep the children away from him; make sure the children are bathed
and fed when he gets home, he's going to want to see them at their best; be
sure to freshen your makeup and put on a clean dress before he gets home" etc
etc. It was a scream, until you consider that this is actually what girls
were being taught.

As for whether my husband and I "spoil" each other- no, nor does either of us
wish to be spoiled. Merely treated with consideration and respect.

LynnSubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 11:56:18 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<So you had a hectic day.  Did you happen to think of what his day was
like?...And I know when I do those little extra things to make it easier for
him he appreciates that.>>

Sorry, but this really smacks of Stepford Wife to me. On the radio a few
weeks ago they were reading this list of things wives should do for their
husbands; it was written for Home Ec classes in the 1950s or 60s. Things like
"he's had a hard day, so don't bother him with your petty problems; let him
relax and keep the children away from him; make sure the children are bathed
and fed when he gets home, he's going to want to see them at their best; be
sure to freshen your makeup and put on a clean dress before he gets home" etc
etc. It was a scream, until you consider that this is actually what girls
were being taught.

As for whether my husband and I "spoil" each other- no, nor does either of us
wish to be spoiled. Merely treated with consideration and respect.

LynnSubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 11:56:18 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<So you had a hectic day.  Did you happen to think of what his day was
like?...And I know when I do those little extra things to make it easier for
him he appreciates that.>>

Sorry, but this really smacks of Stepford Wife to me. On the radio a few
weeks ago they were reading this list of things wives should do for their
husbands; it was written for Home Ec classes in the 1950s or 60s. Things like
"he's had a hard day, so don't bother him with your petty problems; let him
relax and keep the children away from him; make sure the children are bathed
and fed when he gets home, he's going to want to see them at their best; be
sure to freshen your makeup and put on a clean dress before he gets home" etc
etc. It was a scream, until you consider that this is actually what girls
were being taught.

As for whether my husband and I "spoil" each other- no, nor does either of us
wish to be spoiled. Merely treated with consideration and respect.

LynnSubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 11:56:18 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<So you had a hectic day.  Did you happen to think of what his day was
like?...And I know when I do those little extra things to make it easier for
him he appreciates that.>>

Sorry, but this really smacks of Stepford Wife to me. On the radio a few
weeks ago they were reading this list of things wives should do for their
husbands; it was written for Home Ec classes in the 1950s or 60s. Things like
"he's had a hard day, so don't bother him with your petty problems; let him
relax and keep the children away from him; make sure the children are bathed
and fed when he gets home, he's going to want to see them at their best; be
sure to freshen your makeup and put on a clean dress before he gets home" etc
etc. It was a scream, until you consider that this is actually what girls
were being taught.

As for whether my husband and I "spoil" each other- no, nor does either of us
wish to be spoiled. Merely treated with consideration and respect.

LynnSubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 12:01:10 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Oh my God!!  My friend at work brought in  a video (well, a video of a film)
from the 50's, promoting the Home Ec. dept. at some local university.  It was
the funniest thing I've ever seen.  And, yes, I've seen that thing you're
talking about.  While I have no kids as of right now, I'm not working and my
DH does.  I try to have the house clean when he comes home but he does the
heavy stuff like the floors, lifting, etc.  Once I have this baby, however,
he will have to pitch in and he will. He's about 500 times more anal
retentive than me!!
kaySubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 12:01:10 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Oh my God!!  My friend at work brought in  a video (well, a video of a film)
from the 50's, promoting the Home Ec. dept. at some local university.  It was
the funniest thing I've ever seen.  And, yes, I've seen that thing you're
talking about.  While I have no kids as of right now, I'm not working and my
DH does.  I try to have the house clean when he comes home but he does the
heavy stuff like the floors, lifting, etc.  Once I have this baby, however,
he will have to pitch in and he will. He's about 500 times more anal
retentive than me!!
kaySubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 12:01:10 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Oh my God!!  My friend at work brought in  a video (well, a video of a film)
from the 50's, promoting the Home Ec. dept. at some local university.  It was
the funniest thing I've ever seen.  And, yes, I've seen that thing you're
talking about.  While I have no kids as of right now, I'm not working and my
DH does.  I try to have the house clean when he comes home but he does the
heavy stuff like the floors, lifting, etc.  Once I have this baby, however,
he will have to pitch in and he will. He's about 500 times more anal
retentive than me!!
kaySubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 12:01:10 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Oh my God!!  My friend at work brought in  a video (well, a video of a film)
from the 50's, promoting the Home Ec. dept. at some local university.  It was
the funniest thing I've ever seen.  And, yes, I've seen that thing you're
talking about.  While I have no kids as of right now, I'm not working and my
DH does.  I try to have the house clean when he comes home but he does the
heavy stuff like the floors, lifting, etc.  Once I have this baby, however,
he will have to pitch in and he will. He's about 500 times more anal
retentive than me!!
kaySubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 12:01:10 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Oh my God!!  My friend at work brought in  a video (well, a video of a film)
from the 50's, promoting the Home Ec. dept. at some local university.  It was
the funniest thing I've ever seen.  And, yes, I've seen that thing you're
talking about.  While I have no kids as of right now, I'm not working and my
DH does.  I try to have the house clean when he comes home but he does the
heavy stuff like the floors, lifting, etc.  Once I have this baby, however,
he will have to pitch in and he will. He's about 500 times more anal
retentive than me!!
kaySubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 12:01:10 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Oh my God!!  My friend at work brought in  a video (well, a video of a film)
from the 50's, promoting the Home Ec. dept. at some local university.  It was
the funniest thing I've ever seen.  And, yes, I've seen that thing you're
talking about.  While I have no kids as of right now, I'm not working and my
DH does.  I try to have the house clean when he comes home but he does the
heavy stuff like the floors, lifting, etc.  Once I have this baby, however,
he will have to pitch in and he will. He's about 500 times more anal
retentive than me!!
kaySubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 12:02:52 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

I have a hard time with this issue.   Where do ya'll live?

I can't imagine people not helping!
  Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 12:02:52 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

I have a hard time with this issue.   Where do ya'll live?

I can't imagine people not helping!
  Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 12:02:52 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

I have a hard time with this issue.   Where do ya'll live?

I can't imagine people not helping!
  Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 12:02:52 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

I have a hard time with this issue.   Where do ya'll live?

I can't imagine people not helping!
  Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 12:02:52 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

I have a hard time with this issue.   Where do ya'll live?

I can't imagine people not helping!
  Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 12:02:52 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

I have a hard time with this issue.   Where do ya'll live?

I can't imagine people not helping!
  Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 12:02:52 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

I have a hard time with this issue.   Where do ya'll live?

I can't imagine people not helping!
  Subj:  Ellen Degenres
Date:  96-09-24 12:03:27 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

I saw a commercial for Ellen's upcoming season premiere; she said- "well,
you've heard the rumors, maybe saw it in the paper; and it's true.  I have a
new boss."  i thought of y'all when I saw it (I am paraphrasing big time,
here!) and i was LOL!!
KaySubj:  Ellen Degenres
Date:  96-09-24 12:03:27 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

I saw a commercial for Ellen's upcoming season premiere; she said- "well,
you've heard the rumors, maybe saw it in the paper; and it's true.  I have a
new boss."  i thought of y'all when I saw it (I am paraphrasing big time,
here!) and i was LOL!!
KaySubj:  Ellen Degenres
Date:  96-09-24 12:03:27 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

I saw a commercial for Ellen's upcoming season premiere; she said- "well,
you've heard the rumors, maybe saw it in the paper; and it's true.  I have a
new boss."  i thought of y'all when I saw it (I am paraphrasing big time,
here!) and i was LOL!!
KaySubj:  Ellen Degenres
Date:  96-09-24 12:03:27 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

I saw a commercial for Ellen's upcoming season premiere; she said- "well,
you've heard the rumors, maybe saw it in the paper; and it's true.  I have a
new boss."  i thought of y'all when I saw it (I am paraphrasing big time,
here!) and i was LOL!!
KaySubj:  Ellen Degenres
Date:  96-09-24 12:03:27 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

I saw a commercial for Ellen's upcoming season premiere; she said- "well,
you've heard the rumors, maybe saw it in the paper; and it's true.  I have a
new boss."  i thought of y'all when I saw it (I am paraphrasing big time,
here!) and i was LOL!!
KaySubj:  Ellen Degenres
Date:  96-09-24 12:03:27 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

I saw a commercial for Ellen's upcoming season premiere; she said- "well,
you've heard the rumors, maybe saw it in the paper; and it's true.  I have a
new boss."  i thought of y'all when I saw it (I am paraphrasing big time,
here!) and i was LOL!!
KaySubj:  posts
Date:  96-09-24 12:30:38 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< because he does alot for me and I appreciate him.  And I know when I do
those little extra things to make it easier for him he appreciates that.  <<

If you are going to pick apart posts please put the proper sentences where
they belong.

The point I was trying to make is each partner can have a *bad* day. And if
you are talking about respect and consideration it goes both ways not just
one-sided.   If you dont' treat someone with it how do you expect to get it
in return.Subj:  posts
Date:  96-09-24 12:30:38 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< because he does alot for me and I appreciate him.  And I know when I do
those little extra things to make it easier for him he appreciates that.  <<

If you are going to pick apart posts please put the proper sentences where
they belong.

The point I was trying to make is each partner can have a *bad* day. And if
you are talking about respect and consideration it goes both ways not just
one-sided.   If you dont' treat someone with it how do you expect to get it
in return.Subj:  posts
Date:  96-09-24 12:30:38 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< because he does alot for me and I appreciate him.  And I know when I do
those little extra things to make it easier for him he appreciates that.  <<

If you are going to pick apart posts please put the proper sentences where
they belong.

The point I was trying to make is each partner can have a *bad* day. And if
you are talking about respect and consideration it goes both ways not just
one-sided.   If you dont' treat someone with it how do you expect to get it
in return.Subj:  posts
Date:  96-09-24 12:30:38 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< because he does alot for me and I appreciate him.  And I know when I do
those little extra things to make it easier for him he appreciates that.  <<

If you are going to pick apart posts please put the proper sentences where
they belong.

The point I was trying to make is each partner can have a *bad* day. And if
you are talking about respect and consideration it goes both ways not just
one-sided.   If you dont' treat someone with it how do you expect to get it
in return.Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Lisa
Date:  96-09-24 12:32:42 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

KJ - a teenage helper - what a terrific idea.  That would help alot
especially at the bewitching hour as you so aptly put it!  I'm tucking that
idea in the back of my mind for the future!

LisaSubj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Lisa
Date:  96-09-24 12:32:42 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

KJ - a teenage helper - what a terrific idea.  That would help alot
especially at the bewitching hour as you so aptly put it!  I'm tucking that
idea in the back of my mind for the future!

LisaSubj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Lisa
Date:  96-09-24 12:32:42 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

KJ - a teenage helper - what a terrific idea.  That would help alot
especially at the bewitching hour as you so aptly put it!  I'm tucking that
idea in the back of my mind for the future!

LisaSubj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Lisa
Date:  96-09-24 12:32:42 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

KJ - a teenage helper - what a terrific idea.  That would help alot
especially at the bewitching hour as you so aptly put it!  I'm tucking that
idea in the back of my mind for the future!

LisaSubj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Lisa
Date:  96-09-24 12:32:42 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

KJ - a teenage helper - what a terrific idea.  That would help alot
especially at the bewitching hour as you so aptly put it!  I'm tucking that
idea in the back of my mind for the future!

LisaSubj:  Re:You're not bad!!
Date:  96-09-24 12:33:56 edt
From:  DERADOTHOM
Posted on:  America Online

Amazing, isn't it Judy?  List a topic ... any topic... the price of oranges,
the deteriorating sea wall,
Princess Caroline's current bald state ... and an argument erupts!  But I
must admit, that even I am in shock at the amount of heat that something as
obvious as a name that is taylor made to  create a female ruckus has had such
a reaction.

Are we now debating senses of humor????

(.. and no, I am not Hr2Pis... but I have a good idea who is...)  Subj:
Re:You're not bad!!
Date:  96-09-24 12:33:56 edt
From:  DERADOTHOM
Posted on:  America Online

Amazing, isn't it Judy?  List a topic ... any topic... the price of oranges,
the deteriorating sea wall,
Princess Caroline's current bald state ... and an argument erupts!  But I
must admit, that even I am in shock at the amount of heat that something as
obvious as a name that is taylor made to  create a female ruckus has had such
a reaction.

Are we now debating senses of humor????

(.. and no, I am not Hr2Pis... but I have a good idea who is...)  Subj:
Re:You're not bad!!
Date:  96-09-24 12:33:56 edt
From:  DERADOTHOM
Posted on:  America Online

Amazing, isn't it Judy?  List a topic ... any topic... the price of oranges,
the deteriorating sea wall,
Princess Caroline's current bald state ... and an argument erupts!  But I
must admit, that even I am in shock at the amount of heat that something as
obvious as a name that is taylor made to  create a female ruckus has had such
a reaction.

Are we now debating senses of humor????

(.. and no, I am not Hr2Pis... but I have a good idea who is...)  Subj:
Re:You're not bad!!
Date:  96-09-24 12:33:56 edt
From:  DERADOTHOM
Posted on:  America Online

Amazing, isn't it Judy?  List a topic ... any topic... the price of oranges,
the deteriorating sea wall,
Princess Caroline's current bald state ... and an argument erupts!  But I
must admit, that even I am in shock at the amount of heat that something as
obvious as a name that is taylor made to  create a female ruckus has had such
a reaction.

Are we now debating senses of humor????

(.. and no, I am not Hr2Pis... but I have a good idea who is...)  Subj:
Re:You're not bad!!
Date:  96-09-24 12:33:56 edt
From:  DERADOTHOM
Posted on:  America Online

Amazing, isn't it Judy?  List a topic ... any topic... the price of oranges,
the deteriorating sea wall,
Princess Caroline's current bald state ... and an argument erupts!  But I
must admit, that even I am in shock at the amount of heat that something as
obvious as a name that is taylor made to  create a female ruckus has had such
a reaction.

Are we now debating senses of humor????

(.. and no, I am not Hr2Pis... but I have a good idea who is...)  Subj:
Re:You're not bad!!
Date:  96-09-24 12:33:56 edt
From:  DERADOTHOM
Posted on:  America Online

Amazing, isn't it Judy?  List a topic ... any topic... the price of oranges,
the deteriorating sea wall,
Princess Caroline's current bald state ... and an argument erupts!  But I
must admit, that even I am in shock at the amount of heat that something as
obvious as a name that is taylor made to  create a female ruckus has had such
a reaction.

Are we now debating senses of humor????

(.. and no, I am not Hr2Pis... but I have a good idea who is...)  Subj:
Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 12:34:02 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Babs......HYSTERICAL!  BTDT!

LisaSubj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 12:34:02 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Babs......HYSTERICAL!  BTDT!

LisaSubj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 12:34:02 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Babs......HYSTERICAL!  BTDT!

LisaSubj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 12:34:02 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Babs......HYSTERICAL!  BTDT!

LisaSubj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 12:34:02 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Babs......HYSTERICAL!  BTDT!

LisaSubj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 12:34:02 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Babs......HYSTERICAL!  BTDT!

LisaSubj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 12:34:02 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Babs......HYSTERICAL!  BTDT!

LisaSubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 12:36:19 edt
From:  DERADOTHOM
Posted on:  America Online

Yes, you can be sued for helping someone.. you can also be sued for just
about anything else these days... it's like I said earlier - it all depends
upon what you can walk away from with your dignity in tact.  It's only the
mirror that should be judging.
Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 12:36:19 edt
From:  DERADOTHOM
Posted on:  America Online

Yes, you can be sued for helping someone.. you can also be sued for just
about anything else these days... it's like I said earlier - it all depends
upon what you can walk away from with your dignity in tact.  It's only the
mirror that should be judging.
Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 12:36:19 edt
From:  DERADOTHOM
Posted on:  America Online

Yes, you can be sued for helping someone.. you can also be sued for just
about anything else these days... it's like I said earlier - it all depends
upon what you can walk away from with your dignity in tact.  It's only the
mirror that should be judging.
Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 12:36:19 edt
From:  DERADOTHOM
Posted on:  America Online

Yes, you can be sued for helping someone.. you can also be sued for just
about anything else these days... it's like I said earlier - it all depends
upon what you can walk away from with your dignity in tact.  It's only the
mirror that should be judging.
Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 12:36:19 edt
From:  DERADOTHOM
Posted on:  America Online

Yes, you can be sued for helping someone.. you can also be sued for just
about anything else these days... it's like I said earlier - it all depends
upon what you can walk away from with your dignity in tact.  It's only the
mirror that should be judging.
Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 12:36:19 edt
From:  DERADOTHOM
Posted on:  America Online

Yes, you can be sued for helping someone.. you can also be sued for just
about anything else these days... it's like I said earlier - it all depends
upon what you can walk away from with your dignity in tact.  It's only the
mirror that should be judging.
Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 12:36:19 edt
From:  DERADOTHOM
Posted on:  America Online

Yes, you can be sued for helping someone.. you can also be sued for just
about anything else these days... it's like I said earlier - it all depends
upon what you can walk away from with your dignity in tact.  It's only the
mirror that should be judging.
Subj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 12:39:54 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

So I was at this shower on Sunday (this will be the last time I mention this
shower on this board, promise!) and DH was with the kids at home.  He did
hint several times that I could maybe take the 1yo with, but after thinking
it over and realizing it was her naptime and she would be a handful, decided
against it.  Well, you should have heard all the people asking "how is he
doing with the children"  this includes my mil and sil who were there.  Ugh.
I just shrugged and said fine and dandy - how do you think?

This makes me mad and actually is an insult to dh who handles the kids just
fine (everything else goes to hell, but the kids are usually happy!)Subj:
Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 12:39:54 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

So I was at this shower on Sunday (this will be the last time I mention this
shower on this board, promise!) and DH was with the kids at home.  He did
hint several times that I could maybe take the 1yo with, but after thinking
it over and realizing it was her naptime and she would be a handful, decided
against it.  Well, you should have heard all the people asking "how is he
doing with the children"  this includes my mil and sil who were there.  Ugh.
I just shrugged and said fine and dandy - how do you think?

This makes me mad and actually is an insult to dh who handles the kids just
fine (everything else goes to hell, but the kids are usually happy!)Subj:
Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 12:39:54 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

So I was at this shower on Sunday (this will be the last time I mention this
shower on this board, promise!) and DH was with the kids at home.  He did
hint several times that I could maybe take the 1yo with, but after thinking
it over and realizing it was her naptime and she would be a handful, decided
against it.  Well, you should have heard all the people asking "how is he
doing with the children"  this includes my mil and sil who were there.  Ugh.
I just shrugged and said fine and dandy - how do you think?

This makes me mad and actually is an insult to dh who handles the kids just
fine (everything else goes to hell, but the kids are usually happy!)Subj:
Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 12:39:54 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

So I was at this shower on Sunday (this will be the last time I mention this
shower on this board, promise!) and DH was with the kids at home.  He did
hint several times that I could maybe take the 1yo with, but after thinking
it over and realizing it was her naptime and she would be a handful, decided
against it.  Well, you should have heard all the people asking "how is he
doing with the children"  this includes my mil and sil who were there.  Ugh.
I just shrugged and said fine and dandy - how do you think?

This makes me mad and actually is an insult to dh who handles the kids just
fine (everything else goes to hell, but the kids are usually happy!)Subj:
Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 12:39:54 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

So I was at this shower on Sunday (this will be the last time I mention this
shower on this board, promise!) and DH was with the kids at home.  He did
hint several times that I could maybe take the 1yo with, but after thinking
it over and realizing it was her naptime and she would be a handful, decided
against it.  Well, you should have heard all the people asking "how is he
doing with the children"  this includes my mil and sil who were there.  Ugh.
I just shrugged and said fine and dandy - how do you think?

This makes me mad and actually is an insult to dh who handles the kids just
fine (everything else goes to hell, but the kids are usually happy!)Subj:
Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 12:39:54 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

So I was at this shower on Sunday (this will be the last time I mention this
shower on this board, promise!) and DH was with the kids at home.  He did
hint several times that I could maybe take the 1yo with, but after thinking
it over and realizing it was her naptime and she would be a handful, decided
against it.  Well, you should have heard all the people asking "how is he
doing with the children"  this includes my mil and sil who were there.  Ugh.
I just shrugged and said fine and dandy - how do you think?

This makes me mad and actually is an insult to dh who handles the kids just
fine (everything else goes to hell, but the kids are usually happy!)Subj:
Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 12:40:59 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Lynn - I heard the same "instructions" on the radio too.  Pretty amusing,
wasn't it?

LisaSubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 12:40:59 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Lynn - I heard the same "instructions" on the radio too.  Pretty amusing,
wasn't it?

LisaSubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 12:40:59 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Lynn - I heard the same "instructions" on the radio too.  Pretty amusing,
wasn't it?

LisaSubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 12:40:59 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Lynn - I heard the same "instructions" on the radio too.  Pretty amusing,
wasn't it?

LisaSubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 12:40:59 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Lynn - I heard the same "instructions" on the radio too.  Pretty amusing,
wasn't it?

LisaSubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 12:40:59 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Lynn - I heard the same "instructions" on the radio too.  Pretty amusing,
wasn't it?

LisaSubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 12:40:59 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Lynn - I heard the same "instructions" on the radio too.  Pretty amusing,
wasn't it?

LisaSubj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 12:45:45 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<When my friends and I go out and someone says their husband is
babysitting, I say "oh yeah? We could use a sitter Saturday night- how much
does he charge?">>>

LOL, LOL, LOL Lynn! Mind if I borrow that one?

RuthSubj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 12:45:45 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<When my friends and I go out and someone says their husband is
babysitting, I say "oh yeah? We could use a sitter Saturday night- how much
does he charge?">>>

LOL, LOL, LOL Lynn! Mind if I borrow that one?

RuthSubj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 12:45:45 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<When my friends and I go out and someone says their husband is
babysitting, I say "oh yeah? We could use a sitter Saturday night- how much
does he charge?">>>

LOL, LOL, LOL Lynn! Mind if I borrow that one?

RuthSubj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 12:45:45 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<When my friends and I go out and someone says their husband is
babysitting, I say "oh yeah? We could use a sitter Saturday night- how much
does he charge?">>>

LOL, LOL, LOL Lynn! Mind if I borrow that one?

RuthSubj:  Re:Who Needs Sleep, Anyway?
Date:  96-09-24 12:56:30 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I've been smug for too long.  "I" have the perfect baby that sleeps
alllllllll night long....every night.  No variations.  The little darling
even allows me the opportunity to stay up until two or three in the morning
and still sleep in.  Most days I have to wake him up at 11!  Oh the joys of
motherhood.

HA!  LOL.

Last night Cody fell asleep around 9, nothing unusual there.  Before I went
to bed at 2:30 this morning, I checked in on him as I always do.  He was a
little too close to the corner, so I moved him to the center of the crib.
I've done this a million times.  But THIS morning the little darling sat
right up, smiled and reached for me.  I tried to sneak out of the room, but
even I knew it was futile.  I take him into bed with me....dh has to get up
at 3:30, so I "try" to be quiet.  But Cody sees Daddy, and pounces him.  Ever
tried to lay still while you're laughing so hard you could wet your pants?
LOL  Needless to say, Dh got up, I got up and Cody is STILL up.  He took a 10
minute nap this afternoon, and is still going strong.  I NEED SLEEP!!  Maybe
he's getting me ready for the new baby, but take it easy on me, I have MONTHS
to go!  LOL

KatieSubj:  Re:Who Needs Sleep, Anyway?
Date:  96-09-24 12:56:30 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I've been smug for too long.  "I" have the perfect baby that sleeps
alllllllll night long....every night.  No variations.  The little darling
even allows me the opportunity to stay up until two or three in the morning
and still sleep in.  Most days I have to wake him up at 11!  Oh the joys of
motherhood.

HA!  LOL.

Last night Cody fell asleep around 9, nothing unusual there.  Before I went
to bed at 2:30 this morning, I checked in on him as I always do.  He was a
little too close to the corner, so I moved him to the center of the crib.
I've done this a million times.  But THIS morning the little darling sat
right up, smiled and reached for me.  I tried to sneak out of the room, but
even I knew it was futile.  I take him into bed with me....dh has to get up
at 3:30, so I "try" to be quiet.  But Cody sees Daddy, and pounces him.  Ever
tried to lay still while you're laughing so hard you could wet your pants?
LOL  Needless to say, Dh got up, I got up and Cody is STILL up.  He took a 10
minute nap this afternoon, and is still going strong.  I NEED SLEEP!!  Maybe
he's getting me ready for the new baby, but take it easy on me, I have MONTHS
to go!  LOL

KatieSubj:  Re:Who Needs Sleep, Anyway?
Date:  96-09-24 12:56:30 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I've been smug for too long.  "I" have the perfect baby that sleeps
alllllllll night long....every night.  No variations.  The little darling
even allows me the opportunity to stay up until two or three in the morning
and still sleep in.  Most days I have to wake him up at 11!  Oh the joys of
motherhood.

HA!  LOL.

Last night Cody fell asleep around 9, nothing unusual there.  Before I went
to bed at 2:30 this morning, I checked in on him as I always do.  He was a
little too close to the corner, so I moved him to the center of the crib.
I've done this a million times.  But THIS morning the little darling sat
right up, smiled and reached for me.  I tried to sneak out of the room, but
even I knew it was futile.  I take him into bed with me....dh has to get up
at 3:30, so I "try" to be quiet.  But Cody sees Daddy, and pounces him.  Ever
tried to lay still while you're laughing so hard you could wet your pants?
LOL  Needless to say, Dh got up, I got up and Cody is STILL up.  He took a 10
minute nap this afternoon, and is still going strong.  I NEED SLEEP!!  Maybe
he's getting me ready for the new baby, but take it easy on me, I have MONTHS
to go!  LOL

KatieSubj:  Re:Who Needs Sleep, Anyway?
Date:  96-09-24 12:56:30 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I've been smug for too long.  "I" have the perfect baby that sleeps
alllllllll night long....every night.  No variations.  The little darling
even allows me the opportunity to stay up until two or three in the morning
and still sleep in.  Most days I have to wake him up at 11!  Oh the joys of
motherhood.

HA!  LOL.

Last night Cody fell asleep around 9, nothing unusual there.  Before I went
to bed at 2:30 this morning, I checked in on him as I always do.  He was a
little too close to the corner, so I moved him to the center of the crib.
I've done this a million times.  But THIS morning the little darling sat
right up, smiled and reached for me.  I tried to sneak out of the room, but
even I knew it was futile.  I take him into bed with me....dh has to get up
at 3:30, so I "try" to be quiet.  But Cody sees Daddy, and pounces him.  Ever
tried to lay still while you're laughing so hard you could wet your pants?
LOL  Needless to say, Dh got up, I got up and Cody is STILL up.  He took a 10
minute nap this afternoon, and is still going strong.  I NEED SLEEP!!  Maybe
he's getting me ready for the new baby, but take it easy on me, I have MONTHS
to go!  LOL

KatieSubj:  Date Rape
Date:  96-09-24 13:54:22 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

Oprah had a show last week about date rape.  She had girls who were victims
and guys who had raped as guests.  One of the things that was said really
sticks in my mind.  College campuses now have rape awareness seminars ... for
GIRLS, but not guys.  Why?  The guys said that they didn't realize that their
behavior would be considered rape...which may be stretching it, but I think
it would prevent a lot of these attacks from happening if the guys were
educated as well.  Another point I feel strongly about it that these girls
don't seem to realize that they are ultimately responsible for themselves.
Obviously, no means no and no one deserves to be raped, but we need to teach
our daughters not to place themselves in these vulnerable circumstances.  I'm
not saying that if a girl gets drunk and goes to a guy's dorm room, she
deserves to be a victim of a violent attack; instead she needs to make a
decision to not go to the room!  Frat parties are no place for young women to
be; if it were a perfect world, we wouldn't have to worry about girls getting
raped at parties, unfortunately, it's a reality.  We need to make sure our
daughters are comfortable enough with themselves to say, "hey, if I get drunk
with this guy, I could end up in a bad situation, maybe I should stay sober."
or even, "Well, he's totally hot, but I know what can happen if I go to his
room.  I'd better stay here and pass out jello shots." .. sorry, but I know
what goes on at these frat parties too!  Unfortunately, most teenage girls
seem to think that if they don't go along with the crowd, whether it's
getting drunk or getting laid, their friends won't like them anymore.  It's
easy for us to say that friends like that aren't worth having, but we all
were teenagers once and can probably remember feeling insecure.  The most
important thing is doing whatever we can to give our girls self confidence
and self worth.  Then hopefully they will make the right decisions and not
place themselves in dangerous situations.

LauraSubj:  Date Rape
Date:  96-09-24 13:54:22 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

Oprah had a show last week about date rape.  She had girls who were victims
and guys who had raped as guests.  One of the things that was said really
sticks in my mind.  College campuses now have rape awareness seminars ... for
GIRLS, but not guys.  Why?  The guys said that they didn't realize that their
behavior would be considered rape...which may be stretching it, but I think
it would prevent a lot of these attacks from happening if the guys were
educated as well.  Another point I feel strongly about it that these girls
don't seem to realize that they are ultimately responsible for themselves.
Obviously, no means no and no one deserves to be raped, but we need to teach
our daughters not to place themselves in these vulnerable circumstances.  I'm
not saying that if a girl gets drunk and goes to a guy's dorm room, she
deserves to be a victim of a violent attack; instead she needs to make a
decision to not go to the room!  Frat parties are no place for young women to
be; if it were a perfect world, we wouldn't have to worry about girls getting
raped at parties, unfortunately, it's a reality.  We need to make sure our
daughters are comfortable enough with themselves to say, "hey, if I get drunk
with this guy, I could end up in a bad situation, maybe I should stay sober."
or even, "Well, he's totally hot, but I know what can happen if I go to his
room.  I'd better stay here and pass out jello shots." .. sorry, but I know
what goes on at these frat parties too!  Unfortunately, most teenage girls
seem to think that if they don't go along with the crowd, whether it's
getting drunk or getting laid, their friends won't like them anymore.  It's
easy for us to say that friends like that aren't worth having, but we all
were teenagers once and can probably remember feeling insecure.  The most
important thing is doing whatever we can to give our girls self confidence
and self worth.  Then hopefully they will make the right decisions and not
place themselves in dangerous situations.

LauraSubj:  Date Rape
Date:  96-09-24 13:54:22 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

Oprah had a show last week about date rape.  She had girls who were victims
and guys who had raped as guests.  One of the things that was said really
sticks in my mind.  College campuses now have rape awareness seminars ... for
GIRLS, but not guys.  Why?  The guys said that they didn't realize that their
behavior would be considered rape...which may be stretching it, but I think
it would prevent a lot of these attacks from happening if the guys were
educated as well.  Another point I feel strongly about it that these girls
don't seem to realize that they are ultimately responsible for themselves.
Obviously, no means no and no one deserves to be raped, but we need to teach
our daughters not to place themselves in these vulnerable circumstances.  I'm
not saying that if a girl gets drunk and goes to a guy's dorm room, she
deserves to be a victim of a violent attack; instead she needs to make a
decision to not go to the room!  Frat parties are no place for young women to
be; if it were a perfect world, we wouldn't have to worry about girls getting
raped at parties, unfortunately, it's a reality.  We need to make sure our
daughters are comfortable enough with themselves to say, "hey, if I get drunk
with this guy, I could end up in a bad situation, maybe I should stay sober."
or even, "Well, he's totally hot, but I know what can happen if I go to his
room.  I'd better stay here and pass out jello shots." .. sorry, but I know
what goes on at these frat parties too!  Unfortunately, most teenage girls
seem to think that if they don't go along with the crowd, whether it's
getting drunk or getting laid, their friends won't like them anymore.  It's
easy for us to say that friends like that aren't worth having, but we all
were teenagers once and can probably remember feeling insecure.  The most
important thing is doing whatever we can to give our girls self confidence
and self worth.  Then hopefully they will make the right decisions and not
place themselves in dangerous situations.

LauraSubj:  Date Rape
Date:  96-09-24 13:54:22 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

Oprah had a show last week about date rape.  She had girls who were victims
and guys who had raped as guests.  One of the things that was said really
sticks in my mind.  College campuses now have rape awareness seminars ... for
GIRLS, but not guys.  Why?  The guys said that they didn't realize that their
behavior would be considered rape...which may be stretching it, but I think
it would prevent a lot of these attacks from happening if the guys were
educated as well.  Another point I feel strongly about it that these girls
don't seem to realize that they are ultimately responsible for themselves.
Obviously, no means no and no one deserves to be raped, but we need to teach
our daughters not to place themselves in these vulnerable circumstances.  I'm
not saying that if a girl gets drunk and goes to a guy's dorm room, she
deserves to be a victim of a violent attack; instead she needs to make a
decision to not go to the room!  Frat parties are no place for young women to
be; if it were a perfect world, we wouldn't have to worry about girls getting
raped at parties, unfortunately, it's a reality.  We need to make sure our
daughters are comfortable enough with themselves to say, "hey, if I get drunk
with this guy, I could end up in a bad situation, maybe I should stay sober."
or even, "Well, he's totally hot, but I know what can happen if I go to his
room.  I'd better stay here and pass out jello shots." .. sorry, but I know
what goes on at these frat parties too!  Unfortunately, most teenage girls
seem to think that if they don't go along with the crowd, whether it's
getting drunk or getting laid, their friends won't like them anymore.  It's
easy for us to say that friends like that aren't worth having, but we all
were teenagers once and can probably remember feeling insecure.  The most
important thing is doing whatever we can to give our girls self confidence
and self worth.  Then hopefully they will make the right decisions and not
place themselves in dangerous situations.

LauraSubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 14:03:54 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

Cant remember who said that you cant be sued for trying to help but from what
I have heard
this is not true.  There was just a special on TV Dateline where a woman was
having a heart attack and a nurse who just happened to be in the restaurant
with this woman was trying to get an airway when she she used a sharp object
to put some kind of tube in her neck to establish an airway so this lady
could breathe.  In her hurry she managed to make  an airway but put a bigger
hole in
this ladies neck then normal.  It was a messy cut but she thought the lady
couldnt wait until the ambulance arrived.  When she got to the hospital they
told her that the nurse saved her life but
because she didnt use the proper instruments the cut was jagged.   You think
she would be happy right, NOT.   After this woman saved her life she turned
around and sued her for unsanitary procedures & disfiguring her neck.  Go
figure.  See the thanks you get.  Now I dont blame people like this Nurse if
they decide never to help another person again.  Some people are just money
hungry idiots.    Now I could never turn down someone in need, thats just me,
suing would be the farthest thing from my mind in an emergency but I am sure
there are people out there who think about it first.  Just like helping
someone who is bleeding, alot of people hesitate because of the fear of
contracting aids.  Now I know myself, I could never watch a little helpless
baby bleed without helping him/her.  Aids would be the last thing I would be
thinking about :(  But some people are just like that.  Its sad, but its all
too true.  :(

KellySubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 14:03:54 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

Cant remember who said that you cant be sued for trying to help but from what
I have heard
this is not true.  There was just a special on TV Dateline where a woman was
having a heart attack and a nurse who just happened to be in the restaurant
with this woman was trying to get an airway when she she used a sharp object
to put some kind of tube in her neck to establish an airway so this lady
could breathe.  In her hurry she managed to make  an airway but put a bigger
hole in
this ladies neck then normal.  It was a messy cut but she thought the lady
couldnt wait until the ambulance arrived.  When she got to the hospital they
told her that the nurse saved her life but
because she didnt use the proper instruments the cut was jagged.   You think
she would be happy right, NOT.   After this woman saved her life she turned
around and sued her for unsanitary procedures & disfiguring her neck.  Go
figure.  See the thanks you get.  Now I dont blame people like this Nurse if
they decide never to help another person again.  Some people are just money
hungry idiots.    Now I could never turn down someone in need, thats just me,
suing would be the farthest thing from my mind in an emergency but I am sure
there are people out there who think about it first.  Just like helping
someone who is bleeding, alot of people hesitate because of the fear of
contracting aids.  Now I know myself, I could never watch a little helpless
baby bleed without helping him/her.  Aids would be the last thing I would be
thinking about :(  But some people are just like that.  Its sad, but its all
too true.  :(

KellySubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 14:03:54 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

Cant remember who said that you cant be sued for trying to help but from what
I have heard
this is not true.  There was just a special on TV Dateline where a woman was
having a heart attack and a nurse who just happened to be in the restaurant
with this woman was trying to get an airway when she she used a sharp object
to put some kind of tube in her neck to establish an airway so this lady
could breathe.  In her hurry she managed to make  an airway but put a bigger
hole in
this ladies neck then normal.  It was a messy cut but she thought the lady
couldnt wait until the ambulance arrived.  When she got to the hospital they
told her that the nurse saved her life but
because she didnt use the proper instruments the cut was jagged.   You think
she would be happy right, NOT.   After this woman saved her life she turned
around and sued her for unsanitary procedures & disfiguring her neck.  Go
figure.  See the thanks you get.  Now I dont blame people like this Nurse if
they decide never to help another person again.  Some people are just money
hungry idiots.    Now I could never turn down someone in need, thats just me,
suing would be the farthest thing from my mind in an emergency but I am sure
there are people out there who think about it first.  Just like helping
someone who is bleeding, alot of people hesitate because of the fear of
contracting aids.  Now I know myself, I could never watch a little helpless
baby bleed without helping him/her.  Aids would be the last thing I would be
thinking about :(  But some people are just like that.  Its sad, but its all
too true.  :(

KellySubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 14:03:54 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

Cant remember who said that you cant be sued for trying to help but from what
I have heard
this is not true.  There was just a special on TV Dateline where a woman was
having a heart attack and a nurse who just happened to be in the restaurant
with this woman was trying to get an airway when she she used a sharp object
to put some kind of tube in her neck to establish an airway so this lady
could breathe.  In her hurry she managed to make  an airway but put a bigger
hole in
this ladies neck then normal.  It was a messy cut but she thought the lady
couldnt wait until the ambulance arrived.  When she got to the hospital they
told her that the nurse saved her life but
because she didnt use the proper instruments the cut was jagged.   You think
she would be happy right, NOT.   After this woman saved her life she turned
around and sued her for unsanitary procedures & disfiguring her neck.  Go
figure.  See the thanks you get.  Now I dont blame people like this Nurse if
they decide never to help another person again.  Some people are just money
hungry idiots.    Now I could never turn down someone in need, thats just me,
suing would be the farthest thing from my mind in an emergency but I am sure
there are people out there who think about it first.  Just like helping
someone who is bleeding, alot of people hesitate because of the fear of
contracting aids.  Now I know myself, I could never watch a little helpless
baby bleed without helping him/her.  Aids would be the last thing I would be
thinking about :(  But some people are just like that.  Its sad, but its all
too true.  :(

KellySubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 14:03:54 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

Cant remember who said that you cant be sued for trying to help but from what
I have heard
this is not true.  There was just a special on TV Dateline where a woman was
having a heart attack and a nurse who just happened to be in the restaurant
with this woman was trying to get an airway when she she used a sharp object
to put some kind of tube in her neck to establish an airway so this lady
could breathe.  In her hurry she managed to make  an airway but put a bigger
hole in
this ladies neck then normal.  It was a messy cut but she thought the lady
couldnt wait until the ambulance arrived.  When she got to the hospital they
told her that the nurse saved her life but
because she didnt use the proper instruments the cut was jagged.   You think
she would be happy right, NOT.   After this woman saved her life she turned
around and sued her for unsanitary procedures & disfiguring her neck.  Go
figure.  See the thanks you get.  Now I dont blame people like this Nurse if
they decide never to help another person again.  Some people are just money
hungry idiots.    Now I could never turn down someone in need, thats just me,
suing would be the farthest thing from my mind in an emergency but I am sure
there are people out there who think about it first.  Just like helping
someone who is bleeding, alot of people hesitate because of the fear of
contracting aids.  Now I know myself, I could never watch a little helpless
baby bleed without helping him/her.  Aids would be the last thing I would be
thinking about :(  But some people are just like that.  Its sad, but its all
too true.  :(

KellySubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 14:03:54 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

Cant remember who said that you cant be sued for trying to help but from what
I have heard
this is not true.  There was just a special on TV Dateline where a woman was
having a heart attack and a nurse who just happened to be in the restaurant
with this woman was trying to get an airway when she she used a sharp object
to put some kind of tube in her neck to establish an airway so this lady
could breathe.  In her hurry she managed to make  an airway but put a bigger
hole in
this ladies neck then normal.  It was a messy cut but she thought the lady
couldnt wait until the ambulance arrived.  When she got to the hospital they
told her that the nurse saved her life but
because she didnt use the proper instruments the cut was jagged.   You think
she would be happy right, NOT.   After this woman saved her life she turned
around and sued her for unsanitary procedures & disfiguring her neck.  Go
figure.  See the thanks you get.  Now I dont blame people like this Nurse if
they decide never to help another person again.  Some people are just money
hungry idiots.    Now I could never turn down someone in need, thats just me,
suing would be the farthest thing from my mind in an emergency but I am sure
there are people out there who think about it first.  Just like helping
someone who is bleeding, alot of people hesitate because of the fear of
contracting aids.  Now I know myself, I could never watch a little helpless
baby bleed without helping him/her.  Aids would be the last thing I would be
thinking about :(  But some people are just like that.  Its sad, but its all
too true.  :(

KellySubj:  Hey guys!
Date:  96-09-24 14:08:35 edt
From:  FPC Guest
Posted on:  America Online

Tis I BrattyBrat..I'm here at Epcot and I thought I would post a quick
message!
Looks like I have alot of reading to do when I get home!
DianaSubj:  Hey guys!
Date:  96-09-24 14:08:35 edt
From:  FPC Guest
Posted on:  America Online

Tis I BrattyBrat..I'm here at Epcot and I thought I would post a quick
message!
Looks like I have alot of reading to do when I get home!
DianaSubj:  Hey guys!
Date:  96-09-24 14:08:35 edt
From:  FPC Guest
Posted on:  America Online

Tis I BrattyBrat..I'm here at Epcot and I thought I would post a quick
message!
Looks like I have alot of reading to do when I get home!
DianaSubj:  Hey guys!
Date:  96-09-24 14:08:35 edt
From:  FPC Guest
Posted on:  America Online

Tis I BrattyBrat..I'm here at Epcot and I thought I would post a quick
message!
Looks like I have alot of reading to do when I get home!
DianaSubj:  Hey guys!
Date:  96-09-24 14:08:35 edt
From:  FPC Guest
Posted on:  America Online

Tis I BrattyBrat..I'm here at Epcot and I thought I would post a quick
message!
Looks like I have alot of reading to do when I get home!
DianaSubj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 14:09:44 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

I also believe none of the responsibility was hers.  She may have had to much
to drink
but she was concious enough to say NO.   No means No, Now what part didnt he
understand.  Probably the part where he didnt care who he hurt, its all a
game to guys
like that.  How many times they can score and all that crap.  But I do
believe one thing he
said, he was no different then most of the other men only they waited until
the women
were unconcious.  :(  Its sad and having a little girl this makes me sick all
the more.

KellySubj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 14:09:44 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

I also believe none of the responsibility was hers.  She may have had to much
to drink
but she was concious enough to say NO.   No means No, Now what part didnt he
understand.  Probably the part where he didnt care who he hurt, its all a
game to guys
like that.  How many times they can score and all that crap.  But I do
believe one thing he
said, he was no different then most of the other men only they waited until
the women
were unconcious.  :(  Its sad and having a little girl this makes me sick all
the more.

KellySubj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 14:09:44 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

I also believe none of the responsibility was hers.  She may have had to much
to drink
but she was concious enough to say NO.   No means No, Now what part didnt he
understand.  Probably the part where he didnt care who he hurt, its all a
game to guys
like that.  How many times they can score and all that crap.  But I do
believe one thing he
said, he was no different then most of the other men only they waited until
the women
were unconcious.  :(  Its sad and having a little girl this makes me sick all
the more.

KellySubj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 14:09:44 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

I also believe none of the responsibility was hers.  She may have had to much
to drink
but she was concious enough to say NO.   No means No, Now what part didnt he
understand.  Probably the part where he didnt care who he hurt, its all a
game to guys
like that.  How many times they can score and all that crap.  But I do
believe one thing he
said, he was no different then most of the other men only they waited until
the women
were unconcious.  :(  Its sad and having a little girl this makes me sick all
the more.

KellySubj:  Re:Rules
Date:  96-09-24 14:11:50 edt
From:  MrsIndex
Posted on:  America Online

>>True Jesus did not himself say anything about homosexual activites, but he
did follow the Jewish Law while alive which denounces such activities.<<

So, do you mean by this that as Christians, we are supposed to follow the
laws of the Old Testament because Jesus did?  Are -you- kosher?
Subj:  Re:Rules
Date:  96-09-24 14:11:50 edt
From:  MrsIndex
Posted on:  America Online

>>True Jesus did not himself say anything about homosexual activites, but he
did follow the Jewish Law while alive which denounces such activities.<<

So, do you mean by this that as Christians, we are supposed to follow the
laws of the Old Testament because Jesus did?  Are -you- kosher?
Subj:  Re:Rules
Date:  96-09-24 14:11:50 edt
From:  MrsIndex
Posted on:  America Online

>>True Jesus did not himself say anything about homosexual activites, but he
did follow the Jewish Law while alive which denounces such activities.<<

So, do you mean by this that as Christians, we are supposed to follow the
laws of the Old Testament because Jesus did?  Are -you- kosher?
Subj:  Re:Rules
Date:  96-09-24 14:11:50 edt
From:  MrsIndex
Posted on:  America Online

>>True Jesus did not himself say anything about homosexual activites, but he
did follow the Jewish Law while alive which denounces such activities.<<

So, do you mean by this that as Christians, we are supposed to follow the
laws of the Old Testament because Jesus did?  Are -you- kosher?
Subj:  Re:Rules
Date:  96-09-24 14:11:50 edt
From:  MrsIndex
Posted on:  America Online

>>True Jesus did not himself say anything about homosexual activites, but he
did follow the Jewish Law while alive which denounces such activities.<<

So, do you mean by this that as Christians, we are supposed to follow the
laws of the Old Testament because Jesus did?  Are -you- kosher?
Subj:  Re:tantrums
Date:  96-09-24 14:16:09 edt
From:  TSimon3916
Posted on:  America Online

My daughter isn't throwing major tantrums yet, but I made the mistake of
taking her out of her stroller at J.C. Penney to try on a pair of jeans and
she didn't want to go back in her stroller.  She cried and cried and I tried
to get her to stop, but she wouldn't.  When a situation like this happens
there is nothing you can do, so I never judge people in stores when their
kids are having fits!!!
However, one thing really ticks me off---when the child is crying and the
parent is telling them to SHUT-UP while hitting the child at the same time.
Do they really think that the child is going to stop crying while being
slapped????
One more thing-- I hate when people wait  forever for parking spaces!  My car
is 1 year old and doesn't have a single door dent because I never park next
to anyone!  I find that it is faster to park further and walk.  Lots of times
I am in the store much faster than the person who us waiting for "grandma" to
unload her groceries and move her car!
wow, it's hard to type with one hand and  hold your 15 mo. old at the same
time!  Subj:  Re:tantrums
Date:  96-09-24 14:16:09 edt
From:  TSimon3916
Posted on:  America Online

My daughter isn't throwing major tantrums yet, but I made the mistake of
taking her out of her stroller at J.C. Penney to try on a pair of jeans and
she didn't want to go back in her stroller.  She cried and cried and I tried
to get her to stop, but she wouldn't.  When a situation like this happens
there is nothing you can do, so I never judge people in stores when their
kids are having fits!!!
However, one thing really ticks me off---when the child is crying and the
parent is telling them to SHUT-UP while hitting the child at the same time.
Do they really think that the child is going to stop crying while being
slapped????
One more thing-- I hate when people wait  forever for parking spaces!  My car
is 1 year old and doesn't have a single door dent because I never park next
to anyone!  I find that it is faster to park further and walk.  Lots of times
I am in the store much faster than the person who us waiting for "grandma" to
unload her groceries and move her car!
wow, it's hard to type with one hand and  hold your 15 mo. old at the same
time!  Subj:  Re:tantrums
Date:  96-09-24 14:16:09 edt
From:  TSimon3916
Posted on:  America Online

My daughter isn't throwing major tantrums yet, but I made the mistake of
taking her out of her stroller at J.C. Penney to try on a pair of jeans and
she didn't want to go back in her stroller.  She cried and cried and I tried
to get her to stop, but she wouldn't.  When a situation like this happens
there is nothing you can do, so I never judge people in stores when their
kids are having fits!!!
However, one thing really ticks me off---when the child is crying and the
parent is telling them to SHUT-UP while hitting the child at the same time.
Do they really think that the child is going to stop crying while being
slapped????
One more thing-- I hate when people wait  forever for parking spaces!  My car
is 1 year old and doesn't have a single door dent because I never park next
to anyone!  I find that it is faster to park further and walk.  Lots of times
I am in the store much faster than the person who us waiting for "grandma" to
unload her groceries and move her car!
wow, it's hard to type with one hand and  hold your 15 mo. old at the same
time!  Subj:  Re:tantrums
Date:  96-09-24 14:16:09 edt
From:  TSimon3916
Posted on:  America Online

My daughter isn't throwing major tantrums yet, but I made the mistake of
taking her out of her stroller at J.C. Penney to try on a pair of jeans and
she didn't want to go back in her stroller.  She cried and cried and I tried
to get her to stop, but she wouldn't.  When a situation like this happens
there is nothing you can do, so I never judge people in stores when their
kids are having fits!!!
However, one thing really ticks me off---when the child is crying and the
parent is telling them to SHUT-UP while hitting the child at the same time.
Do they really think that the child is going to stop crying while being
slapped????
One more thing-- I hate when people wait  forever for parking spaces!  My car
is 1 year old and doesn't have a single door dent because I never park next
to anyone!  I find that it is faster to park further and walk.  Lots of times
I am in the store much faster than the person who us waiting for "grandma" to
unload her groceries and move her car!
wow, it's hard to type with one hand and  hold your 15 mo. old at the same
time!  Subj:  Re:tantrums
Date:  96-09-24 14:16:09 edt
From:  TSimon3916
Posted on:  America Online

My daughter isn't throwing major tantrums yet, but I made the mistake of
taking her out of her stroller at J.C. Penney to try on a pair of jeans and
she didn't want to go back in her stroller.  She cried and cried and I tried
to get her to stop, but she wouldn't.  When a situation like this happens
there is nothing you can do, so I never judge people in stores when their
kids are having fits!!!
However, one thing really ticks me off---when the child is crying and the
parent is telling them to SHUT-UP while hitting the child at the same time.
Do they really think that the child is going to stop crying while being
slapped????
One more thing-- I hate when people wait  forever for parking spaces!  My car
is 1 year old and doesn't have a single door dent because I never park next
to anyone!  I find that it is faster to park further and walk.  Lots of times
I am in the store much faster than the person who us waiting for "grandma" to
unload her groceries and move her car!
wow, it's hard to type with one hand and  hold your 15 mo. old at the same
time!  Subj:  Re:Doctors handwashing
Date:  96-09-24 14:20:28 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<Ask them to wash IN FRONT OF YOU if you are unsure....>>

This is exactly what all my doctors do before examining me or my daughter.
Even while I was in labor and ready to push my OB took the time to wash his
hands and put gloves on.  I agree with this statememnt
wholeheartedly....better safe than sorry.

JennSubj:  Re:Doctors handwashing
Date:  96-09-24 14:20:28 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<Ask them to wash IN FRONT OF YOU if you are unsure....>>

This is exactly what all my doctors do before examining me or my daughter.
Even while I was in labor and ready to push my OB took the time to wash his
hands and put gloves on.  I agree with this statememnt
wholeheartedly....better safe than sorry.

JennSubj:  Re:Doctors handwashing
Date:  96-09-24 14:20:28 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<Ask them to wash IN FRONT OF YOU if you are unsure....>>

This is exactly what all my doctors do before examining me or my daughter.
Even while I was in labor and ready to push my OB took the time to wash his
hands and put gloves on.  I agree with this statememnt
wholeheartedly....better safe than sorry.

JennSubj:  Re:Doctors handwashing
Date:  96-09-24 14:20:28 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<Ask them to wash IN FRONT OF YOU if you are unsure....>>

This is exactly what all my doctors do before examining me or my daughter.
Even while I was in labor and ready to push my OB took the time to wash his
hands and put gloves on.  I agree with this statememnt
wholeheartedly....better safe than sorry.

JennSubj:  Re:Doctors handwashing
Date:  96-09-24 14:20:28 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<Ask them to wash IN FRONT OF YOU if you are unsure....>>

This is exactly what all my doctors do before examining me or my daughter.
Even while I was in labor and ready to push my OB took the time to wash his
hands and put gloves on.  I agree with this statememnt
wholeheartedly....better safe than sorry.

JennSubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 14:21:40 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

I wouldnt say my husband spoils me but he is a great help.  While I am a
SAHM, he doesnt demand that dinner be on the table when he gets home, if I
cook he will do the dishes, we
alternate bath time every other day and No I dont have to set out the
pajamas.  He does ask
sometimes where they are and I say the same place they were last time you
checked.  LOL
He will take my kids anywhere, both of them I might add (they are 2 & 3) and
never complains
when I need a nite out with my Sister,SIL or mom.  While he does pick my last
nerve sometimes I have to give him credit where credit is due.  Hes a great
dad & a great DH :)Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 14:21:40 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

I wouldnt say my husband spoils me but he is a great help.  While I am a
SAHM, he doesnt demand that dinner be on the table when he gets home, if I
cook he will do the dishes, we
alternate bath time every other day and No I dont have to set out the
pajamas.  He does ask
sometimes where they are and I say the same place they were last time you
checked.  LOL
He will take my kids anywhere, both of them I might add (they are 2 & 3) and
never complains
when I need a nite out with my Sister,SIL or mom.  While he does pick my last
nerve sometimes I have to give him credit where credit is due.  Hes a great
dad & a great DH :)Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 14:21:40 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

I wouldnt say my husband spoils me but he is a great help.  While I am a
SAHM, he doesnt demand that dinner be on the table when he gets home, if I
cook he will do the dishes, we
alternate bath time every other day and No I dont have to set out the
pajamas.  He does ask
sometimes where they are and I say the same place they were last time you
checked.  LOL
He will take my kids anywhere, both of them I might add (they are 2 & 3) and
never complains
when I need a nite out with my Sister,SIL or mom.  While he does pick my last
nerve sometimes I have to give him credit where credit is due.  Hes a great
dad & a great DH :)Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 14:21:40 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

I wouldnt say my husband spoils me but he is a great help.  While I am a
SAHM, he doesnt demand that dinner be on the table when he gets home, if I
cook he will do the dishes, we
alternate bath time every other day and No I dont have to set out the
pajamas.  He does ask
sometimes where they are and I say the same place they were last time you
checked.  LOL
He will take my kids anywhere, both of them I might add (they are 2 & 3) and
never complains
when I need a nite out with my Sister,SIL or mom.  While he does pick my last
nerve sometimes I have to give him credit where credit is due.  Hes a great
dad & a great DH :)Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 14:21:40 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

I wouldnt say my husband spoils me but he is a great help.  While I am a
SAHM, he doesnt demand that dinner be on the table when he gets home, if I
cook he will do the dishes, we
alternate bath time every other day and No I dont have to set out the
pajamas.  He does ask
sometimes where they are and I say the same place they were last time you
checked.  LOL
He will take my kids anywhere, both of them I might add (they are 2 & 3) and
never complains
when I need a nite out with my Sister,SIL or mom.  While he does pick my last
nerve sometimes I have to give him credit where credit is due.  Hes a great
dad & a great DH :)Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 14:21:40 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

I wouldnt say my husband spoils me but he is a great help.  While I am a
SAHM, he doesnt demand that dinner be on the table when he gets home, if I
cook he will do the dishes, we
alternate bath time every other day and No I dont have to set out the
pajamas.  He does ask
sometimes where they are and I say the same place they were last time you
checked.  LOL
He will take my kids anywhere, both of them I might add (they are 2 & 3) and
never complains
when I need a nite out with my Sister,SIL or mom.  While he does pick my last
nerve sometimes I have to give him credit where credit is due.  Hes a great
dad & a great DH :)Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 14:22:03 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

>>And to the couple of people who didn't see the humor in that post ... eek
... you scare me, man....<<
I have to agree with Patricia on this one.  You guys definitely lack the
sense of humor portion
of your brains.>>>>

Well some people people find humor should be funny!  My portion of the brain
finds much humor in the world everyday!  I am not amused by Rodney
Dangerfield yet John Cleese makes me wet my pants!   Just because someone
doesnt find it amusing to minimize an entire race doesnt mean we are void of
a sence of humor!
 I dont think people would be amused if someone said hey the Jews should just
get over it the war is over, or hey those African Americans should shut up
and be glad they arent in their own country or they would more then likely be
dead or starving!  Or at least the innocent children that are killed on the
streets wont grow up to join a gang and kill someone else.  you get the idea
I hope!
 Some people are amused by those attitudes, personally I find them discusting
and showing no sence of humor or humanity!Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 14:22:03 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

>>And to the couple of people who didn't see the humor in that post ... eek
... you scare me, man....<<
I have to agree with Patricia on this one.  You guys definitely lack the
sense of humor portion
of your brains.>>>>

Well some people people find humor should be funny!  My portion of the brain
finds much humor in the world everyday!  I am not amused by Rodney
Dangerfield yet John Cleese makes me wet my pants!   Just because someone
doesnt find it amusing to minimize an entire race doesnt mean we are void of
a sence of humor!
 I dont think people would be amused if someone said hey the Jews should just
get over it the war is over, or hey those African Americans should shut up
and be glad they arent in their own country or they would more then likely be
dead or starving!  Or at least the innocent children that are killed on the
streets wont grow up to join a gang and kill someone else.  you get the idea
I hope!
 Some people are amused by those attitudes, personally I find them discusting
and showing no sence of humor or humanity!Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 14:22:03 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

>>And to the couple of people who didn't see the humor in that post ... eek
... you scare me, man....<<
I have to agree with Patricia on this one.  You guys definitely lack the
sense of humor portion
of your brains.>>>>

Well some people people find humor should be funny!  My portion of the brain
finds much humor in the world everyday!  I am not amused by Rodney
Dangerfield yet John Cleese makes me wet my pants!   Just because someone
doesnt find it amusing to minimize an entire race doesnt mean we are void of
a sence of humor!
 I dont think people would be amused if someone said hey the Jews should just
get over it the war is over, or hey those African Americans should shut up
and be glad they arent in their own country or they would more then likely be
dead or starving!  Or at least the innocent children that are killed on the
streets wont grow up to join a gang and kill someone else.  you get the idea
I hope!
 Some people are amused by those attitudes, personally I find them discusting
and showing no sence of humor or humanity!Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 14:22:03 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

>>And to the couple of people who didn't see the humor in that post ... eek
... you scare me, man....<<
I have to agree with Patricia on this one.  You guys definitely lack the
sense of humor portion
of your brains.>>>>

Well some people people find humor should be funny!  My portion of the brain
finds much humor in the world everyday!  I am not amused by Rodney
Dangerfield yet John Cleese makes me wet my pants!   Just because someone
doesnt find it amusing to minimize an entire race doesnt mean we are void of
a sence of humor!
 I dont think people would be amused if someone said hey the Jews should just
get over it the war is over, or hey those African Americans should shut up
and be glad they arent in their own country or they would more then likely be
dead or starving!  Or at least the innocent children that are killed on the
streets wont grow up to join a gang and kill someone else.  you get the idea
I hope!
 Some people are amused by those attitudes, personally I find them discusting
and showing no sence of humor or humanity!Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 14:22:03 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

>>And to the couple of people who didn't see the humor in that post ... eek
... you scare me, man....<<
I have to agree with Patricia on this one.  You guys definitely lack the
sense of humor portion
of your brains.>>>>

Well some people people find humor should be funny!  My portion of the brain
finds much humor in the world everyday!  I am not amused by Rodney
Dangerfield yet John Cleese makes me wet my pants!   Just because someone
doesnt find it amusing to minimize an entire race doesnt mean we are void of
a sence of humor!
 I dont think people would be amused if someone said hey the Jews should just
get over it the war is over, or hey those African Americans should shut up
and be glad they arent in their own country or they would more then likely be
dead or starving!  Or at least the innocent children that are killed on the
streets wont grow up to join a gang and kill someone else.  you get the idea
I hope!
 Some people are amused by those attitudes, personally I find them discusting
and showing no sence of humor or humanity!Subj:  Re:chocolate stains
Date:  96-09-24 14:27:09 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I have another tip for stain removal on fabric and carpet.  We use diaper
wipes.  I used them when my daughter was projectile vomiting the 1st 6 weeks
of her life.  We used them if she would spit up on us or anywhere.  If you
wipe the stain till it appears gone with the wipe, then wash your fabric like
usual the stain is most of the time gone.  Works wonders, really.  I even saw
this on a TV show once.

JennSubj:  Re:chocolate stains
Date:  96-09-24 14:27:09 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I have another tip for stain removal on fabric and carpet.  We use diaper
wipes.  I used them when my daughter was projectile vomiting the 1st 6 weeks
of her life.  We used them if she would spit up on us or anywhere.  If you
wipe the stain till it appears gone with the wipe, then wash your fabric like
usual the stain is most of the time gone.  Works wonders, really.  I even saw
this on a TV show once.

JennSubj:  Re:chocolate stains
Date:  96-09-24 14:27:09 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I have another tip for stain removal on fabric and carpet.  We use diaper
wipes.  I used them when my daughter was projectile vomiting the 1st 6 weeks
of her life.  We used them if she would spit up on us or anywhere.  If you
wipe the stain till it appears gone with the wipe, then wash your fabric like
usual the stain is most of the time gone.  Works wonders, really.  I even saw
this on a TV show once.

JennSubj:  Re:chocolate stains
Date:  96-09-24 14:27:09 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I have another tip for stain removal on fabric and carpet.  We use diaper
wipes.  I used them when my daughter was projectile vomiting the 1st 6 weeks
of her life.  We used them if she would spit up on us or anywhere.  If you
wipe the stain till it appears gone with the wipe, then wash your fabric like
usual the stain is most of the time gone.  Works wonders, really.  I even saw
this on a TV show once.

JennSubj:  Re:chocolate stains
Date:  96-09-24 14:27:09 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I have another tip for stain removal on fabric and carpet.  We use diaper
wipes.  I used them when my daughter was projectile vomiting the 1st 6 weeks
of her life.  We used them if she would spit up on us or anywhere.  If you
wipe the stain till it appears gone with the wipe, then wash your fabric like
usual the stain is most of the time gone.  Works wonders, really.  I even saw
this on a TV show once.

JennSubj:  Re:chocolate stains
Date:  96-09-24 14:27:09 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I have another tip for stain removal on fabric and carpet.  We use diaper
wipes.  I used them when my daughter was projectile vomiting the 1st 6 weeks
of her life.  We used them if she would spit up on us or anywhere.  If you
wipe the stain till it appears gone with the wipe, then wash your fabric like
usual the stain is most of the time gone.  Works wonders, really.  I even saw
this on a TV show once.

JennSubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 14:30:38 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>Some people are amused by those attitudes, personally I find them
discusting and showing no sence of humor or humanity!<<

Come on Sillyone, aren't you just a little jealous that you weren't the one
who wrote this quite humorous piece of material?  Secondly, were we reading
the same post?  I didn't read
anything that would be considered disgusting, inhumane, racist, etc., out of
that post.
It was simply a play on the discussions that had been occurring on this board
of late.
You did get that didn't you?

Babs
   Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 14:30:38 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>Some people are amused by those attitudes, personally I find them
discusting and showing no sence of humor or humanity!<<

Come on Sillyone, aren't you just a little jealous that you weren't the one
who wrote this quite humorous piece of material?  Secondly, were we reading
the same post?  I didn't read
anything that would be considered disgusting, inhumane, racist, etc., out of
that post.
It was simply a play on the discussions that had been occurring on this board
of late.
You did get that didn't you?

Babs
   Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 14:30:38 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>Some people are amused by those attitudes, personally I find them
discusting and showing no sence of humor or humanity!<<

Come on Sillyone, aren't you just a little jealous that you weren't the one
who wrote this quite humorous piece of material?  Secondly, were we reading
the same post?  I didn't read
anything that would be considered disgusting, inhumane, racist, etc., out of
that post.
It was simply a play on the discussions that had been occurring on this board
of late.
You did get that didn't you?

Babs
   Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 14:30:38 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>Some people are amused by those attitudes, personally I find them
discusting and showing no sence of humor or humanity!<<

Come on Sillyone, aren't you just a little jealous that you weren't the one
who wrote this quite humorous piece of material?  Secondly, were we reading
the same post?  I didn't read
anything that would be considered disgusting, inhumane, racist, etc., out of
that post.
It was simply a play on the discussions that had been occurring on this board
of late.
You did get that didn't you?

Babs
   Subj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 14:34:19 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I agree Lynn!!!!  I hate it too when people ask me if DH is babysitting Tara.
I always say no, Tara is home spending quality time with her father, and that
father don't "babysit" their own children.  Now if they had someone elses'
child Then I would say that is babysitting.

JennSubj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 14:34:19 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I agree Lynn!!!!  I hate it too when people ask me if DH is babysitting Tara.
I always say no, Tara is home spending quality time with her father, and that
father don't "babysit" their own children.  Now if they had someone elses'
child Then I would say that is babysitting.

JennSubj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 14:34:19 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I agree Lynn!!!!  I hate it too when people ask me if DH is babysitting Tara.
I always say no, Tara is home spending quality time with her father, and that
father don't "babysit" their own children.  Now if they had someone elses'
child Then I would say that is babysitting.

JennSubj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 14:34:19 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I agree Lynn!!!!  I hate it too when people ask me if DH is babysitting Tara.
I always say no, Tara is home spending quality time with her father, and that
father don't "babysit" their own children.  Now if they had someone elses'
child Then I would say that is babysitting.

JennSubj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 14:34:19 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I agree Lynn!!!!  I hate it too when people ask me if DH is babysitting Tara.
I always say no, Tara is home spending quality time with her father, and that
father don't "babysit" their own children.  Now if they had someone elses'
child Then I would say that is babysitting.

JennSubj:  Re: Dads Helping Out
Date:  96-09-24 14:41:03 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I have to say that I also have a wonderrful Dh when it comes to the
housework.  I am a SAHM, but on weekends it is DH that does the laundry that
wasn't finished during the week.  After dinner, if I don't feel like it he
will do the dishes and clean up the kitchen.  He will take Tara whenever I
want to do something without her, most times.  Usually when he doesn't have
her it is because of work or school.  I have to say that I too, am blessed
with a great daddy to my daughter and any others that come along our way! :)

JennSubj:  Re: Dads Helping Out
Date:  96-09-24 14:41:03 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I have to say that I also have a wonderrful Dh when it comes to the
housework.  I am a SAHM, but on weekends it is DH that does the laundry that
wasn't finished during the week.  After dinner, if I don't feel like it he
will do the dishes and clean up the kitchen.  He will take Tara whenever I
want to do something without her, most times.  Usually when he doesn't have
her it is because of work or school.  I have to say that I too, am blessed
with a great daddy to my daughter and any others that come along our way! :)

JennSubj:  Re: Dads Helping Out
Date:  96-09-24 14:41:03 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I have to say that I also have a wonderrful Dh when it comes to the
housework.  I am a SAHM, but on weekends it is DH that does the laundry that
wasn't finished during the week.  After dinner, if I don't feel like it he
will do the dishes and clean up the kitchen.  He will take Tara whenever I
want to do something without her, most times.  Usually when he doesn't have
her it is because of work or school.  I have to say that I too, am blessed
with a great daddy to my daughter and any others that come along our way! :)

JennSubj:  Re: Dads Helping Out
Date:  96-09-24 14:41:03 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I have to say that I also have a wonderrful Dh when it comes to the
housework.  I am a SAHM, but on weekends it is DH that does the laundry that
wasn't finished during the week.  After dinner, if I don't feel like it he
will do the dishes and clean up the kitchen.  He will take Tara whenever I
want to do something without her, most times.  Usually when he doesn't have
her it is because of work or school.  I have to say that I too, am blessed
with a great daddy to my daughter and any others that come along our way! :)

JennSubj:  Re:Who Needs Sleep, Anyway?
Date:  96-09-24 14:51:14 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Katie...sorry, no sympathy here!  Our kids are up at 7am every day....no
sleeping in here!  The 1yo goes to bed around 7:30-8:30 and the 3 1/2 yo goes
to bed around 8:30-9:30.  Doesn't matter what time they go to bed....they're
always up at 7!

LisaSubj:  Re:Who Needs Sleep, Anyway?
Date:  96-09-24 14:51:14 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Katie...sorry, no sympathy here!  Our kids are up at 7am every day....no
sleeping in here!  The 1yo goes to bed around 7:30-8:30 and the 3 1/2 yo goes
to bed around 8:30-9:30.  Doesn't matter what time they go to bed....they're
always up at 7!

LisaSubj:  Re:Who Needs Sleep, Anyway?
Date:  96-09-24 14:51:14 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Katie...sorry, no sympathy here!  Our kids are up at 7am every day....no
sleeping in here!  The 1yo goes to bed around 7:30-8:30 and the 3 1/2 yo goes
to bed around 8:30-9:30.  Doesn't matter what time they go to bed....they're
always up at 7!

LisaSubj:  Re:Who Needs Sleep, Anyway?
Date:  96-09-24 14:51:14 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Katie...sorry, no sympathy here!  Our kids are up at 7am every day....no
sleeping in here!  The 1yo goes to bed around 7:30-8:30 and the 3 1/2 yo goes
to bed around 8:30-9:30.  Doesn't matter what time they go to bed....they're
always up at 7!

LisaSubj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 14:52:02 edt
From:  Beanpaul
Posted on:  America Online

<<I agree Lynn!!!!  I hate it too when people ask me if DH is babysitting
Tara.  I always say no, Tara is home spending quality time with her father,
and that father don't "babysit" their own children.  Now if they had someone
elses' child Then I would say that is babysitting.

Jenn>>

it's called parenting.  when paul has hannah he is parenting, not
babysitting.

bean - Subj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 14:52:02 edt
From:  Beanpaul
Posted on:  America Online

<<I agree Lynn!!!!  I hate it too when people ask me if DH is babysitting
Tara.  I always say no, Tara is home spending quality time with her father,
and that father don't "babysit" their own children.  Now if they had someone
elses' child Then I would say that is babysitting.

Jenn>>

it's called parenting.  when paul has hannah he is parenting, not
babysitting.

bean - Subj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 14:52:02 edt
From:  Beanpaul
Posted on:  America Online

<<I agree Lynn!!!!  I hate it too when people ask me if DH is babysitting
Tara.  I always say no, Tara is home spending quality time with her father,
and that father don't "babysit" their own children.  Now if they had someone
elses' child Then I would say that is babysitting.

Jenn>>

it's called parenting.  when paul has hannah he is parenting, not
babysitting.

bean - Subj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 14:52:02 edt
From:  Beanpaul
Posted on:  America Online

<<I agree Lynn!!!!  I hate it too when people ask me if DH is babysitting
Tara.  I always say no, Tara is home spending quality time with her father,
and that father don't "babysit" their own children.  Now if they had someone
elses' child Then I would say that is babysitting.

Jenn>>

it's called parenting.  when paul has hannah he is parenting, not
babysitting.

bean - Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 14:59:36 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

<<It was simply a play on the discussions that had been occurring on this
board of late. You did get that didn't you?>>

Key word SIMPLY!

<<Come on Sillyone, aren't you just a little jealous that you weren't the one
who wrote this quite humorous piece of material?>>

Now if had been funny, yeah I would just bow and say good job, had the last
insensitive statement of shutting up an entire race due to a total injustice
then perhaps the rest of the post would of been glassed over!  Racist
comments are not amusing, and only meant to hurt, not funny!   But I dont
recall anyone mentioning anything about it before said post!
 although the back pedaling post did help me see that whom ever is doing it
realized the insensitve part of it, and perhaps even felt bad about it!Subj:
Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 14:59:36 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

<<It was simply a play on the discussions that had been occurring on this
board of late. You did get that didn't you?>>

Key word SIMPLY!

<<Come on Sillyone, aren't you just a little jealous that you weren't the one
who wrote this quite humorous piece of material?>>

Now if had been funny, yeah I would just bow and say good job, had the last
insensitive statement of shutting up an entire race due to a total injustice
then perhaps the rest of the post would of been glassed over!  Racist
comments are not amusing, and only meant to hurt, not funny!   But I dont
recall anyone mentioning anything about it before said post!
 although the back pedaling post did help me see that whom ever is doing it
realized the insensitve part of it, and perhaps even felt bad about it!Subj:
Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 14:59:36 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

<<It was simply a play on the discussions that had been occurring on this
board of late. You did get that didn't you?>>

Key word SIMPLY!

<<Come on Sillyone, aren't you just a little jealous that you weren't the one
who wrote this quite humorous piece of material?>>

Now if had been funny, yeah I would just bow and say good job, had the last
insensitive statement of shutting up an entire race due to a total injustice
then perhaps the rest of the post would of been glassed over!  Racist
comments are not amusing, and only meant to hurt, not funny!   But I dont
recall anyone mentioning anything about it before said post!
 although the back pedaling post did help me see that whom ever is doing it
realized the insensitve part of it, and perhaps even felt bad about it!Subj:
Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 14:59:36 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

<<It was simply a play on the discussions that had been occurring on this
board of late. You did get that didn't you?>>

Key word SIMPLY!

<<Come on Sillyone, aren't you just a little jealous that you weren't the one
who wrote this quite humorous piece of material?>>

Now if had been funny, yeah I would just bow and say good job, had the last
insensitive statement of shutting up an entire race due to a total injustice
then perhaps the rest of the post would of been glassed over!  Racist
comments are not amusing, and only meant to hurt, not funny!   But I dont
recall anyone mentioning anything about it before said post!
 although the back pedaling post did help me see that whom ever is doing it
realized the insensitve part of it, and perhaps even felt bad about it!Subj:
Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 14:59:36 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

<<It was simply a play on the discussions that had been occurring on this
board of late. You did get that didn't you?>>

Key word SIMPLY!

<<Come on Sillyone, aren't you just a little jealous that you weren't the one
who wrote this quite humorous piece of material?>>

Now if had been funny, yeah I would just bow and say good job, had the last
insensitive statement of shutting up an entire race due to a total injustice
then perhaps the rest of the post would of been glassed over!  Racist
comments are not amusing, and only meant to hurt, not funny!   But I dont
recall anyone mentioning anything about it before said post!
 although the back pedaling post did help me see that whom ever is doing it
realized the insensitve part of it, and perhaps even felt bad about it!Subj:
Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 15:13:19 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Good points, Silly. I'm with you on this one (and geez, THAT doesn't happen
very often! <g>)

Ruth

P.S. I forgot ... I also LOVED "A Fish Called Wanda," with John Cleese ....
:)Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 15:13:19 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Good points, Silly. I'm with you on this one (and geez, THAT doesn't happen
very often! <g>)

Ruth

P.S. I forgot ... I also LOVED "A Fish Called Wanda," with John Cleese ....
:)Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 15:13:19 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Good points, Silly. I'm with you on this one (and geez, THAT doesn't happen
very often! <g>)

Ruth

P.S. I forgot ... I also LOVED "A Fish Called Wanda," with John Cleese ....
:)Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 15:13:19 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Good points, Silly. I'm with you on this one (and geez, THAT doesn't happen
very often! <g>)

Ruth

P.S. I forgot ... I also LOVED "A Fish Called Wanda," with John Cleese ....
:)Subj:  SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndeed
Date:  96-09-24 15:58:52 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

To you few who just did not get it.. and must have also missed my other reply
...in which I stated that if you did care about this issue at all, ( The
Native American's plight) that there was plenty that you could in fact do to
help..or at least educate people ...about the truths pertaining to our
forefathers rape, plunder, and general desecration of an entire race of
people...strong words?
When I said I think they should send them back to where they came from.. Umm
duh.. didnt a little bell go off somewhere ? They came from where WE are..
geez I cant believe I have to spell this out for you... C'mom Sillyone.. I
know you have a couple neurons firing there..
Maybe you could use them to write your congressional Rep. and Encourage
he/she to vote for any legislation pending that would return sacred lands..
stop clearcutting of their forests which have been leased to logging
companies through our federal land bureau..ect ect...If you in fact feel so
passionately about this issue..
I hate to single you out but c'mon.. ignorance is not bliss... nor is taking
something so ridiculously obvious and making the author (me) look bad...I'm
also wondering if you arent just a wee bit upset that a newbie to this board
would dare try to steal your thunder ..oh mighty regular one.. And Back
peddling ??  Poor girl.... LOL The only thing that I feel bad about is that
you just dont get it..  C'mon lighten up a little.. you dont want me to get
mad about this...to the rest of you.. remember.. A waste is a terrible thing
to mind....

;)Subj:  SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndeed
Date:  96-09-24 15:58:52 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

To you few who just did not get it.. and must have also missed my other reply
...in which I stated that if you did care about this issue at all, ( The
Native American's plight) that there was plenty that you could in fact do to
help..or at least educate people ...about the truths pertaining to our
forefathers rape, plunder, and general desecration of an entire race of
people...strong words?
When I said I think they should send them back to where they came from.. Umm
duh.. didnt a little bell go off somewhere ? They came from where WE are..
geez I cant believe I have to spell this out for you... C'mom Sillyone.. I
know you have a couple neurons firing there..
Maybe you could use them to write your congressional Rep. and Encourage
he/she to vote for any legislation pending that would return sacred lands..
stop clearcutting of their forests which have been leased to logging
companies through our federal land bureau..ect ect...If you in fact feel so
passionately about this issue..
I hate to single you out but c'mon.. ignorance is not bliss... nor is taking
something so ridiculously obvious and making the author (me) look bad...I'm
also wondering if you arent just a wee bit upset that a newbie to this board
would dare try to steal your thunder ..oh mighty regular one.. And Back
peddling ??  Poor girl.... LOL The only thing that I feel bad about is that
you just dont get it..  C'mon lighten up a little.. you dont want me to get
mad about this...to the rest of you.. remember.. A waste is a terrible thing
to mind....

;)Subj:  SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndeed
Date:  96-09-24 15:58:52 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

To you few who just did not get it.. and must have also missed my other reply
...in which I stated that if you did care about this issue at all, ( The
Native American's plight) that there was plenty that you could in fact do to
help..or at least educate people ...about the truths pertaining to our
forefathers rape, plunder, and general desecration of an entire race of
people...strong words?
When I said I think they should send them back to where they came from.. Umm
duh.. didnt a little bell go off somewhere ? They came from where WE are..
geez I cant believe I have to spell this out for you... C'mom Sillyone.. I
know you have a couple neurons firing there..
Maybe you could use them to write your congressional Rep. and Encourage
he/she to vote for any legislation pending that would return sacred lands..
stop clearcutting of their forests which have been leased to logging
companies through our federal land bureau..ect ect...If you in fact feel so
passionately about this issue..
I hate to single you out but c'mon.. ignorance is not bliss... nor is taking
something so ridiculously obvious and making the author (me) look bad...I'm
also wondering if you arent just a wee bit upset that a newbie to this board
would dare try to steal your thunder ..oh mighty regular one.. And Back
peddling ??  Poor girl.... LOL The only thing that I feel bad about is that
you just dont get it..  C'mon lighten up a little.. you dont want me to get
mad about this...to the rest of you.. remember.. A waste is a terrible thing
to mind....

;)Subj:  SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndeed
Date:  96-09-24 15:58:52 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

To you few who just did not get it.. and must have also missed my other reply
...in which I stated that if you did care about this issue at all, ( The
Native American's plight) that there was plenty that you could in fact do to
help..or at least educate people ...about the truths pertaining to our
forefathers rape, plunder, and general desecration of an entire race of
people...strong words?
When I said I think they should send them back to where they came from.. Umm
duh.. didnt a little bell go off somewhere ? They came from where WE are..
geez I cant believe I have to spell this out for you... C'mom Sillyone.. I
know you have a couple neurons firing there..
Maybe you could use them to write your congressional Rep. and Encourage
he/she to vote for any legislation pending that would return sacred lands..
stop clearcutting of their forests which have been leased to logging
companies through our federal land bureau..ect ect...If you in fact feel so
passionately about this issue..
I hate to single you out but c'mon.. ignorance is not bliss... nor is taking
something so ridiculously obvious and making the author (me) look bad...I'm
also wondering if you arent just a wee bit upset that a newbie to this board
would dare try to steal your thunder ..oh mighty regular one.. And Back
peddling ??  Poor girl.... LOL The only thing that I feel bad about is that
you just dont get it..  C'mon lighten up a little.. you dont want me to get
mad about this...to the rest of you.. remember.. A waste is a terrible thing
to mind....

;)Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:41:29 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hr2~~  aka ???~~
Oh Goodie!  I just feel just, ever so special!
 First off I do believe that the only reason you back peddled was that you
did see that you were real off on that one!  I think that my reference to
Nazi behavior and our founding fathers might of woke ya up honey!  Also the
tolerance to racisim, when passed off as humor.
How do you know if I have writin, or am at all involved with the Native
Americans, not even to mention my son is part Native American!!!!  Not to
mention that I am aware and involved in this?    Your comment about sending
them back was very insensitive, dont you think?  No bells going off, just an
attitude that has been passed on from one ignorant to another!   You might
think its funny, but then some people like David Duke too, and think he is a
real funny guy!
HMMMM hope you cleaned your little feet, cuz otherwise they might not taste
so good! [spelled out for ya~~ foot in mouth!]
 If you look bad is only because you put yourself there, I merely pointed out
that making such a major issue a trival thing cant bite you in the rear end!
 If you get mad that I pointed out a fault in your first mild attempt to
post, you are the poor girl [or boy]   Like Im shaking in my boots!  Get mad,
go ahead show me what ya got!  I DARE YA!
Humor is meant to amuse, not hurt.  Your thing to do now is say~~ hey im
sorry if my post upset anyone that was not my intent.   NOT  oh couldnt you
take a joke?

Oh and I might be hormonal and a little more sensitive then normal,
so...whats your point?Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:41:29 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hr2~~  aka ???~~
Oh Goodie!  I just feel just, ever so special!
 First off I do believe that the only reason you back peddled was that you
did see that you were real off on that one!  I think that my reference to
Nazi behavior and our founding fathers might of woke ya up honey!  Also the
tolerance to racisim, when passed off as humor.
How do you know if I have writin, or am at all involved with the Native
Americans, not even to mention my son is part Native American!!!!  Not to
mention that I am aware and involved in this?    Your comment about sending
them back was very insensitive, dont you think?  No bells going off, just an
attitude that has been passed on from one ignorant to another!   You might
think its funny, but then some people like David Duke too, and think he is a
real funny guy!
HMMMM hope you cleaned your little feet, cuz otherwise they might not taste
so good! [spelled out for ya~~ foot in mouth!]
 If you look bad is only because you put yourself there, I merely pointed out
that making such a major issue a trival thing cant bite you in the rear end!
 If you get mad that I pointed out a fault in your first mild attempt to
post, you are the poor girl [or boy]   Like Im shaking in my boots!  Get mad,
go ahead show me what ya got!  I DARE YA!
Humor is meant to amuse, not hurt.  Your thing to do now is say~~ hey im
sorry if my post upset anyone that was not my intent.   NOT  oh couldnt you
take a joke?

Oh and I might be hormonal and a little more sensitive then normal,
so...whats your point?Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:41:29 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hr2~~  aka ???~~
Oh Goodie!  I just feel just, ever so special!
 First off I do believe that the only reason you back peddled was that you
did see that you were real off on that one!  I think that my reference to
Nazi behavior and our founding fathers might of woke ya up honey!  Also the
tolerance to racisim, when passed off as humor.
How do you know if I have writin, or am at all involved with the Native
Americans, not even to mention my son is part Native American!!!!  Not to
mention that I am aware and involved in this?    Your comment about sending
them back was very insensitive, dont you think?  No bells going off, just an
attitude that has been passed on from one ignorant to another!   You might
think its funny, but then some people like David Duke too, and think he is a
real funny guy!
HMMMM hope you cleaned your little feet, cuz otherwise they might not taste
so good! [spelled out for ya~~ foot in mouth!]
 If you look bad is only because you put yourself there, I merely pointed out
that making such a major issue a trival thing cant bite you in the rear end!
 If you get mad that I pointed out a fault in your first mild attempt to
post, you are the poor girl [or boy]   Like Im shaking in my boots!  Get mad,
go ahead show me what ya got!  I DARE YA!
Humor is meant to amuse, not hurt.  Your thing to do now is say~~ hey im
sorry if my post upset anyone that was not my intent.   NOT  oh couldnt you
take a joke?

Oh and I might be hormonal and a little more sensitive then normal,
so...whats your point?Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:41:29 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hr2~~  aka ???~~
Oh Goodie!  I just feel just, ever so special!
 First off I do believe that the only reason you back peddled was that you
did see that you were real off on that one!  I think that my reference to
Nazi behavior and our founding fathers might of woke ya up honey!  Also the
tolerance to racisim, when passed off as humor.
How do you know if I have writin, or am at all involved with the Native
Americans, not even to mention my son is part Native American!!!!  Not to
mention that I am aware and involved in this?    Your comment about sending
them back was very insensitive, dont you think?  No bells going off, just an
attitude that has been passed on from one ignorant to another!   You might
think its funny, but then some people like David Duke too, and think he is a
real funny guy!
HMMMM hope you cleaned your little feet, cuz otherwise they might not taste
so good! [spelled out for ya~~ foot in mouth!]
 If you look bad is only because you put yourself there, I merely pointed out
that making such a major issue a trival thing cant bite you in the rear end!
 If you get mad that I pointed out a fault in your first mild attempt to
post, you are the poor girl [or boy]   Like Im shaking in my boots!  Get mad,
go ahead show me what ya got!  I DARE YA!
Humor is meant to amuse, not hurt.  Your thing to do now is say~~ hey im
sorry if my post upset anyone that was not my intent.   NOT  oh couldnt you
take a joke?

Oh and I might be hormonal and a little more sensitive then normal,
so...whats your point?Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:41:29 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hr2~~  aka ???~~
Oh Goodie!  I just feel just, ever so special!
 First off I do believe that the only reason you back peddled was that you
did see that you were real off on that one!  I think that my reference to
Nazi behavior and our founding fathers might of woke ya up honey!  Also the
tolerance to racisim, when passed off as humor.
How do you know if I have writin, or am at all involved with the Native
Americans, not even to mention my son is part Native American!!!!  Not to
mention that I am aware and involved in this?    Your comment about sending
them back was very insensitive, dont you think?  No bells going off, just an
attitude that has been passed on from one ignorant to another!   You might
think its funny, but then some people like David Duke too, and think he is a
real funny guy!
HMMMM hope you cleaned your little feet, cuz otherwise they might not taste
so good! [spelled out for ya~~ foot in mouth!]
 If you look bad is only because you put yourself there, I merely pointed out
that making such a major issue a trival thing cant bite you in the rear end!
 If you get mad that I pointed out a fault in your first mild attempt to
post, you are the poor girl [or boy]   Like Im shaking in my boots!  Get mad,
go ahead show me what ya got!  I DARE YA!
Humor is meant to amuse, not hurt.  Your thing to do now is say~~ hey im
sorry if my post upset anyone that was not my intent.   NOT  oh couldnt you
take a joke?

Oh and I might be hormonal and a little more sensitive then normal,
so...whats your point?Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:45:03 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Notice I didnt say anything about the rest of your attempt at humor, figured
it was a work in progress!  Get back to me when its polished!
Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:45:03 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Notice I didnt say anything about the rest of your attempt at humor, figured
it was a work in progress!  Get back to me when its polished!
Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:45:03 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Notice I didnt say anything about the rest of your attempt at humor, figured
it was a work in progress!  Get back to me when its polished!
Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:45:03 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Notice I didnt say anything about the rest of your attempt at humor, figured
it was a work in progress!  Get back to me when its polished!
Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:58:39 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<. C'mom Sillyone.. I know you have a couple neurons firing there..>>

And yours are obviously firing as hard as they can!

I thought your first post was rather humorous, actually enjoyable!

This latest is pretty rude.Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:58:39 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<. C'mom Sillyone.. I know you have a couple neurons firing there..>>

And yours are obviously firing as hard as they can!

I thought your first post was rather humorous, actually enjoyable!

This latest is pretty rude.Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:58:39 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<. C'mom Sillyone.. I know you have a couple neurons firing there..>>

And yours are obviously firing as hard as they can!

I thought your first post was rather humorous, actually enjoyable!

This latest is pretty rude.Subj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 16:59:55 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I think date rape is a very real problem-but I also think that women need to
be more responsible as well.  As a single woman I always knew better than to
get myself into a situation that could end up with me being raped.  In the
instance that you gave, it's very clear the young man was 100% at fault.  As
far as getting drunk and getting "talked" into having sex-that is not rape.
Just because you are drunk does not mean you are not accountable for what you
have done.  It's pretty sad that women have to constantly on guard against
rape-but that is the reality of the situation.

KerrySubj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 16:59:55 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I think date rape is a very real problem-but I also think that women need to
be more responsible as well.  As a single woman I always knew better than to
get myself into a situation that could end up with me being raped.  In the
instance that you gave, it's very clear the young man was 100% at fault.  As
far as getting drunk and getting "talked" into having sex-that is not rape.
Just because you are drunk does not mean you are not accountable for what you
have done.  It's pretty sad that women have to constantly on guard against
rape-but that is the reality of the situation.

KerrySubj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 16:59:55 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I think date rape is a very real problem-but I also think that women need to
be more responsible as well.  As a single woman I always knew better than to
get myself into a situation that could end up with me being raped.  In the
instance that you gave, it's very clear the young man was 100% at fault.  As
far as getting drunk and getting "talked" into having sex-that is not rape.
Just because you are drunk does not mean you are not accountable for what you
have done.  It's pretty sad that women have to constantly on guard against
rape-but that is the reality of the situation.

KerrySubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 17:31:56 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Corriemom:  I definitely assess things before I "jump" in (I know you weren't
attacking me btw-just clarifying)  Here in NH-kids with guns is still
something you see on tv (with a few very scattered exceptions)  I am very
good (patting self on back) at sizing up a situation and taking the
appropriate action-I also feel I'm pretty good at "reading" people (One of my
biggest hobbies is people watching).  If I ever get sued or yes, even killed
because I helped someone in trouble or spoke up-so be it-that's my duty as a
citizen (could I sound ANY more corny?)  my rule of thumb is if this were my
child-would I want someone to step in?  Do I comfort a child who falls?  you
betcha! If I get yelled at for it-oh well.

KerrySubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 17:31:56 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Corriemom:  I definitely assess things before I "jump" in (I know you weren't
attacking me btw-just clarifying)  Here in NH-kids with guns is still
something you see on tv (with a few very scattered exceptions)  I am very
good (patting self on back) at sizing up a situation and taking the
appropriate action-I also feel I'm pretty good at "reading" people (One of my
biggest hobbies is people watching).  If I ever get sued or yes, even killed
because I helped someone in trouble or spoke up-so be it-that's my duty as a
citizen (could I sound ANY more corny?)  my rule of thumb is if this were my
child-would I want someone to step in?  Do I comfort a child who falls?  you
betcha! If I get yelled at for it-oh well.

KerrySubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 17:34:54 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I hate the 3 stooges too! It seems so that all men love it. (gross
generalization here)  I call the stooges brand of humor "frustration humor"
it actually makes my blood pressure rise-and I get very frusrated by it-(the
roadrunner falls in this category too)

 Bab, btw-do you really need to insult people who don't agree with you?

KerrySubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 17:34:54 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I hate the 3 stooges too! It seems so that all men love it. (gross
generalization here)  I call the stooges brand of humor "frustration humor"
it actually makes my blood pressure rise-and I get very frusrated by it-(the
roadrunner falls in this category too)

 Bab, btw-do you really need to insult people who don't agree with you?

KerrySubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 17:34:54 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I hate the 3 stooges too! It seems so that all men love it. (gross
generalization here)  I call the stooges brand of humor "frustration humor"
it actually makes my blood pressure rise-and I get very frusrated by it-(the
roadrunner falls in this category too)

 Bab, btw-do you really need to insult people who don't agree with you?

KerrySubj:  Re:Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-24 17:37:56 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I was the grateful recipient of sex education in school over 10 years ago.
you bet they taught abstinence-but they also taught about STD's and birth
control.

KerrySubj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 17:50:02 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I don't get it.  I really don't (not being sarcastic here) Hr2pisuoff was
making fun of the ignorant people who make dorky comments like that.  She was
pointing out how stupid it sounds when people make comments like that-not
saying she agreed with it.  She was pointing out that racism has it's roots
in ignorance.

KerrySubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 17:54:55 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

   IMHO I think people are scared to get involved, especially with children.
JK, maybe someone considered helping your son up, but might have worried you
would have been upset!!!! You know? I also believe in getting involved, but I
can see why some people don't.   I know a mom, who was shopping
(ppppsssstttt.....in Wal Mart) and a child who had been standing in a cart,
fell out. Apparently, he had candy in his mouth, and it lodged in his throat.
He was unconcious, and not breathing. His mom was freaking, and not doing
anything. My friend said she knew CPR, and could help, the mom said (I'm not
making this up) "NO!!! You might have AIDS or something!!!!". Meanwhile, her
sone was blue. My friend told her son to go have am employee call 911, and
she then slapped the mom, told her to calm down, and proceeded to save the
childs life. SOOOOO, then comes the EMTs, and police....The EMTs check out
the boy, he is fine. The mom tells the police she wants to press charges
against the woman who saved his life, b/c she slapped her!!!! Luckily the
police told the woman forget it, but this is an example of the way some
people think, sadly.
 Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 17:58:04 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Kerry,

You're right, I wasn't addressing my post to anyone in particular, just
bringing up a personal experience about "getting involved" (not aimed at
anyone on this board, I promise!). I, too, get involved -- on Labor Day, I
was having a picnic at a local park with my daughter, and a girl (probably
about age 10) took a nasty fall while rollerblading. She didn't seem to be
severely injured, but she just sat on the ground and didn't get up. So even
though I was probably 100 yards away (and there were probably 50 people
closer to her than I was), I went over to see if she was okay. Her knee was
badly skinned, so I went to my car, got some napkins, wet them at the
drinking fountain and took them over to her. She put this on her knee and
skated off.

I've read enough of your posts to know that you have good judgment when it
comes to "getting involved" situations ... guess I just wanted to point out
that some people don't (again, no one on this board, just the general public)
:)

RuthSubj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 18:06:17 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

   Another post on the same subj.......a few weeks ago at the park, a mother
'lost her toddler'. I could tell right away by the look on her face, and I
had seen her & her kids playing...I knew what her daughter looked like. I
jumped up and started looking, as did my friend (we didn't say a thing, I
guess we both 'read the look'). Several others did the same, and she was
found in minutes, camoflaged (sp) in a bush!!!!! It was very scary, but also
comforting so many people got involved so fast!!!
    BrendaSubj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 18:14:06 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

ROTFL!!!!!!Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 18:19:48 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

   Excuse me, I don't think someone is ignorant for not sharing your sense of
humor!!!!! And there were a few others who felt the same, so why single
out???? Hmmm????Subj:  RE: SAHM vs WAHF
Date:  96-09-24 18:23:51 edt
From:  MMcroberts
Posted on:  America Online

I am a working away from home mother (WHEW you have to be so careful now a
days! LOL) and my dh is a SAHF.  Boy have we had these conversations many a
time.

After working at the office all day and having everybody and their brother in
and out of my office with questions and many a customer on the phone for one
reason or the other I can sympathise with your dh!  (to a certain point).

My dh lets me have a half an hour when I get home to just relax and boy is it
wonderful!  He usually has dinner cooking when I get home and I jump on line
for my half hour.  After dinner I do dishes.  We might be in a different
situation than you because both our children are in school. (Kindergarden and
2nd).  So he has most of the day with no children.  They get home around 3:15
and he gives them a snack and starts dinner.  He does a great job on the
laundry and keeping the house clean.  He washes, dries and folds the laundry
and we each have our own basket to put away.  We have a person come clean the
bathrooms and the kitchen floor once every two weeks. I have been seen with a
toliet brush in my hand in between.

I guess what I'm trying to tell you is that working away from the house a
person is bombarded with alot of outside frustrations and problems in
(sometimes) not such a cozy atmosphere.  Maybe you could talk to him and just
give him some time to relax and unwind after being on the spot all day.
Remember he probably has a boss watching him everyday and has to perform.

What I miss the most is the alone time that I never get.  When my oldest was
born I stayed home for 1 yr while dh worked.  I loved it and wish that our
roles were reversed but alas the reality is that I can make more money!

I hope you take this post in the spirit it was offered and not take offence,
none was intended.

AmySubj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 18:46:35 edt
From:  Chemom
Posted on:  America Online

<<I suppose this really belongs on the Pet Peeves board, but I HATE it when a
parent (usually the father) volunteers to "babysit">>

You took the words right out of my mouth.  (I realize this is why Luv2BeaMom
put "babysit" in quotes)

When I run into dh's grandmother when I am grocery shopping she invariably
says "Dave is so nice to babysit so you can go shopping"
Excuse me? It is insinuating that watching the kids is MY job, and whenever
he is doing it he is doing me a favor.

My husband is a SAHD and people STILL say to him--"babysitting the kids
today?". Imagine someone saying to your husband "Its so nice that your wife
babysits the kids so you can go to work." Happens to me all the time.

Shannon
Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 18:50:12 edt
From:  Chemom
Posted on:  America Online

<<I hate the 3 stooges too! It seems so that all men love it. (gross
generalization here)  I call the stooges brand of humor "frustration humor"
it actually makes my blood pressure rise>>

My dh is driving me bananas with them. One night dh comes to bed around
midnight and says "you awake?" (no answer)
"Are You Awake?"
me "now I am"
dh "can I tell you something?"
me "is it about the stooges?"
silence
me "OK, just tell me"
dh "did you know that first there was Curly, then there was Joe, then there
was Curly Joe?"
Can you believe he woke me up for that!
Subj:  Let teachers teach
Date:  96-09-24 18:51:32 edt
From:  AlohaMommy
Posted on:  America Online

It's wonderful to teach children about sex in schools. However, when schools
get into the practice of handing out condoms at the nurses station, something
is not right. We wonder why Johnnie can't read. Well it's because his
teachers are so busy teaching him the things that his parents can't or won't,
that they don't have time teach content area.

When parents parent, then teachers can teach.
 Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 19:16:40 edt
From:  DEPORTEE
Posted on:  America Online

<<I think that my reference to Nazi behavior and our founding fathers might
of woke ya up honey!>>

All due respect, Silly--I sincerely doubt it. Please try to understand: she
wasn't making fun of Native Americans. She was making fun of *us.* And
frankly, it was high time *somebody* did.

PatriciaSubj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 19:16:40 edt
From:  DEPORTEE
Posted on:  America Online

<<I think that my reference to Nazi behavior and our founding fathers might
of woke ya up honey!>>

All due respect, Silly--I sincerely doubt it. Please try to understand: she
wasn't making fun of Native Americans. She was making fun of *us.* And
frankly, it was high time *somebody* did.

PatriciaSubj:  98
Date:  96-09-24 19:31:15 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

So far today we have posted 98 posts!  Wow this board is hoppin'Subj:  98
Date:  96-09-24 19:31:15 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

So far today we have posted 98 posts!  Wow this board is hoppin'Subj:
Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 19:52:31 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

As for welcoming new neighbors>>>  I am in that situation myself.  Though not
really "new" anymore (we've been here 10 months now) NOONE introduced
themselves when we moved in!!  I posted about this a few posts back....I told
my dh I think we are living in a Twilight Zone movie cause I sure see plenty
of kids getting on/off the school bus but there are only 2-3 who play outside
with my children and there are NEVER any other parents outside to watch them!
I am the only one who sits outside (either reading or something else) just so
I can keep an eye on my 2 (they are 5 and 3).  Where is everyone else??  Of
course I seem to be the only one who (besides my neighbor) is a SAHM and of I
have "nothing better to do" from what I have gathered. I told my dh when we
were looking I wanted to find a young neighborhood, preferably NEW so that
noone knew each other yet, so the kids could have other kids to play with.
Well here we are and NO ONE speaks!!  We take a walk everynight and I have
said hi to people and they just look at you with this dmbfounded expression
on their faces.  How do you all who have moved get to know people??  I have
tried being friendly with my neighbor (even offered to help her shovel the
driveway in the blizzard last year.....Thats my dh's job she tells me...well
gee my dh works sometimes more than 16 hrs a day as does hers...just thought
I would help out).  And I <<gasp>>>also cut my lawn too and boy do I get the
looks!!!  My biggest regret is that we moved into an establised neighborhood
and not a new one like I wanted to .  And what makes me feel really bad is
that I have a gorgeous house (don't mean this bragging in any way..just
making a statement) 4 bedrooms/2.5 baths full finished basement and I HATE
LIVING HERE!!  I never in my wildest dreams thought we could afford a house
like this but that is why dh works so hard....and I feel like an ungrateful
B****  because I am not happy....I just do not know how to go about making
friends in this neighorhood when everyone seems so standoffish!!

Any ideas???Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 19:52:31 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

As for welcoming new neighbors>>>  I am in that situation myself.  Though not
really "new" anymore (we've been here 10 months now) NOONE introduced
themselves when we moved in!!  I posted about this a few posts back....I told
my dh I think we are living in a Twilight Zone movie cause I sure see plenty
of kids getting on/off the school bus but there are only 2-3 who play outside
with my children and there are NEVER any other parents outside to watch them!
I am the only one who sits outside (either reading or something else) just so
I can keep an eye on my 2 (they are 5 and 3).  Where is everyone else??  Of
course I seem to be the only one who (besides my neighbor) is a SAHM and of I
have "nothing better to do" from what I have gathered. I told my dh when we
were looking I wanted to find a young neighborhood, preferably NEW so that
noone knew each other yet, so the kids could have other kids to play with.
Well here we are and NO ONE speaks!!  We take a walk everynight and I have
said hi to people and they just look at you with this dmbfounded expression
on their faces.  How do you all who have moved get to know people??  I have
tried being friendly with my neighbor (even offered to help her shovel the
driveway in the blizzard last year.....Thats my dh's job she tells me...well
gee my dh works sometimes more than 16 hrs a day as does hers...just thought
I would help out).  And I <<gasp>>>also cut my lawn too and boy do I get the
looks!!!  My biggest regret is that we moved into an establised neighborhood
and not a new one like I wanted to .  And what makes me feel really bad is
that I have a gorgeous house (don't mean this bragging in any way..just
making a statement) 4 bedrooms/2.5 baths full finished basement and I HATE
LIVING HERE!!  I never in my wildest dreams thought we could afford a house
like this but that is why dh works so hard....and I feel like an ungrateful
B****  because I am not happy....I just do not know how to go about making
friends in this neighorhood when everyone seems so standoffish!!

Any ideas???Subj:  Re:A few thoughts/chemom
Date:  96-09-24 19:54:55 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

ROFL!!! I was actually laughing out loud re: the 3 stooges story-"Is it about
the stooges"? silence.  HAHAHA!

KerrySubj:  Re:A few thoughts/chemom
Date:  96-09-24 19:54:55 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

ROFL!!! I was actually laughing out loud re: the 3 stooges story-"Is it about
the stooges"? silence.  HAHAHA!

KerrySubj:  Re:Let teachers teach
Date:  96-09-24 19:58:54 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry, aloha I must disagree.  The health class where I was taught sex ed
lasted about 40 minutes.  This curriculum in no way spread to my other
classes. Teaching kids sex ed is not an all day affair-handing out condoms
takes a couple seconds (especially if they are kept in a basket in the
nurse's office)  I would worry more about the time kids spend smoking in
school.

KerrySubj:  Re:Let teachers teach
Date:  96-09-24 19:58:54 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry, aloha I must disagree.  The health class where I was taught sex ed
lasted about 40 minutes.  This curriculum in no way spread to my other
classes. Teaching kids sex ed is not an all day affair-handing out condoms
takes a couple seconds (especially if they are kept in a basket in the
nurse's office)  I would worry more about the time kids spend smoking in
school.

KerrySubj:  Re:A few..Luv2Bea
Date:  96-09-24 20:07:59 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Hr2PsUoff - A "first time poster", huh?  Well, I guess I can talk to you, but
please, don't tell the others!! LOL!!  I await your next post and the uproar
it will cause!!
Shari
Subj:  Re:A few..Luv2Bea
Date:  96-09-24 20:07:59 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Hr2PsUoff - A "first time poster", huh?  Well, I guess I can talk to you, but
please, don't tell the others!! LOL!!  I await your next post and the uproar
it will cause!!
Shari
Subj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 20:10:04 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


Lynn,
 I totally agree about parents parenting and not babysitting.
Shari

(btw, you are the one that gave me the courage to use my real name.  Figured
if you can sign yours to some pretty unpopular posts, so can I.  :)  )
Subj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-24 20:10:04 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


Lynn,
 I totally agree about parents parenting and not babysitting.
Shari

(btw, you are the one that gave me the courage to use my real name.  Figured
if you can sign yours to some pretty unpopular posts, so can I.  :)  )
Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 20:15:42 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

In case anyone misunderstood my posts (which is very possible as I usually
write my posts/responses at about 1:00 am and am sure they are not always
coherent), my first was intended as a big VENT because I though dh totally
overreacted.  My second was to say YEAH to the moms that agreed with me and
(stealing Lynn's stepford wives reference) to those moms that agree with dh's
occasional slip into the sitcoms of the '50s, BOO.

I appreciate all of the helpful hints on how to improve my marriage and
family life.  (Yes, you do detect sarcasm!!)  I can be a *itch (b or w, take
your pick :)  ), and make no apologies for this.  (We can start a whole new
debate about the merits of being one, if anyone is game!!)  My dh's
reactions, tho', are about HIM, not me.  I was venting about his attitude,
which made me mad.  Believe me, if I was not great at meeting his needs, he
would never have gotten so "over indulged" (is that more pc than spoiled?).
And I do get indulged in return for those of you that are wondering.

I guess if I had a teen helper, which IS a great idea (boy, I hate having to
admit it, tho', grumble grumble),  I would never have a day of imperfection!!
(Yeah, I know, more sarcasm - it just sort of oozes out of me.)
Unfortunately, we have only been here 7 months and are still getting settled
in.  We have a neighbor that is a potential, but I have to get to know her
better.  (Could never tell hubby to look in drawer where jammies have always
been, as we have moved twice to new towns in past 19 mos & son is 21 mos.,
not to mention living in hotels during moving transitions!!  I am lucky I
know where most of our stuff is.)

Suffice it to say that I have learned my lesson here about posting about my
family vs. my opinions.  I do not like the way it feels to have others assume
they know all kinds of things about me and dh from my post (unless they
happen to get where I am coming from) and because then feel defensive about
it and I am NOT given to justifying myself, my life or much else to anyone.
This is a good lesson for me because I now know that I do not like having my
personal life held up for public speculation.  Guess I won't be running for
office!!

BTW, I am feeling very defensive of not only my own wife/mommy abilities, but
also of my husband!!  He is actually a great guy, that adds so much to my
life I cannot imagine life without him.  Tho'  he will never share the
domestic duties like some dh's, he would gladly pay for me to get help.  So,
he is willing to share, just indirectly :)  All in all, he's the only guy for
me - clay feet and all.  ( And, I KNOW this will come as a big shock to most
of you, but unlike so many others here on the DISI board, I am not perfect!
Eek, gads!  And, dh comes home to me anyway :)  )
Shari
Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 20:15:42 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

In case anyone misunderstood my posts (which is very possible as I usually
write my posts/responses at about 1:00 am and am sure they are not always
coherent), my first was intended as a big VENT because I though dh totally
overreacted.  My second was to say YEAH to the moms that agreed with me and
(stealing Lynn's stepford wives reference) to those moms that agree with dh's
occasional slip into the sitcoms of the '50s, BOO.

I appreciate all of the helpful hints on how to improve my marriage and
family life.  (Yes, you do detect sarcasm!!)  I can be a *itch (b or w, take
your pick :)  ), and make no apologies for this.  (We can start a whole new
debate about the merits of being one, if anyone is game!!)  My dh's
reactions, tho', are about HIM, not me.  I was venting about his attitude,
which made me mad.  Believe me, if I was not great at meeting his needs, he
would never have gotten so "over indulged" (is that more pc than spoiled?).
And I do get indulged in return for those of you that are wondering.

I guess if I had a teen helper, which IS a great idea (boy, I hate having to
admit it, tho', grumble grumble),  I would never have a day of imperfection!!
(Yeah, I know, more sarcasm - it just sort of oozes out of me.)
Unfortunately, we have only been here 7 months and are still getting settled
in.  We have a neighbor that is a potential, but I have to get to know her
better.  (Could never tell hubby to look in drawer where jammies have always
been, as we have moved twice to new towns in past 19 mos & son is 21 mos.,
not to mention living in hotels during moving transitions!!  I am lucky I
know where most of our stuff is.)

Suffice it to say that I have learned my lesson here about posting about my
family vs. my opinions.  I do not like the way it feels to have others assume
they know all kinds of things about me and dh from my post (unless they
happen to get where I am coming from) and because then feel defensive about
it and I am NOT given to justifying myself, my life or much else to anyone.
This is a good lesson for me because I now know that I do not like having my
personal life held up for public speculation.  Guess I won't be running for
office!!

BTW, I am feeling very defensive of not only my own wife/mommy abilities, but
also of my husband!!  He is actually a great guy, that adds so much to my
life I cannot imagine life without him.  Tho'  he will never share the
domestic duties like some dh's, he would gladly pay for me to get help.  So,
he is willing to share, just indirectly :)  All in all, he's the only guy for
me - clay feet and all.  ( And, I KNOW this will come as a big shock to most
of you, but unlike so many others here on the DISI board, I am not perfect!
Eek, gads!  And, dh comes home to me anyway :)  )
Shari
Subj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-24 20:17:37 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

ROFL!! Thanks, I needed that!!  Shari Subj:  Re:RE: SAHM vs WAHF
Date:  96-09-24 20:19:30 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

I took your post in good spirit and tho' I don't think some of what you said
pertains in my case, your ideas are definitely sound and well thought out.
It sounds like you and your husband have found what works best for you both,
and I commend you.  Overall, we have done the same, just have a few spots to
"iron out".  Thanks for your sincere input and not taking my post as a chance
to shred me and build yourself up.  Yours is the type of input that actually
can help.  (I got a few that made me go "AARGH, invasion of the
mother-in-laws, he he he).

BTW, thanks for defining WAHF.  I have wondered what it meant.

Shari
Subj:  Re:RE: SAHM vs WAHF
Date:  96-09-24 20:19:30 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

I took your post in good spirit and tho' I don't think some of what you said
pertains in my case, your ideas are definitely sound and well thought out.
It sounds like you and your husband have found what works best for you both,
and I commend you.  Overall, we have done the same, just have a few spots to
"iron out".  Thanks for your sincere input and not taking my post as a chance
to shred me and build yourself up.  Yours is the type of input that actually
can help.  (I got a few that made me go "AARGH, invasion of the
mother-in-laws, he he he).

BTW, thanks for defining WAHF.  I have wondered what it meant.

Shari
Subj:  Re:Who Needs Sleep, Anyway?
Date:  96-09-24 20:21:29 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Katie, The image of your little one waking up daddy made me smile and think
of all the great "middle of the night" memories we have.  Something about
seeing that precious face when you least expect it9 like 3:00 am) makes it
all the more special.  :)

ShariSubj:  Re:Who Needs Sleep, Anyway?
Date:  96-09-24 20:21:29 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Katie, The image of your little one waking up daddy made me smile and think
of all the great "middle of the night" memories we have.  Something about
seeing that precious face when you least expect it9 like 3:00 am) makes it
all the more special.  :)

ShariSubj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Lisa
Date:  96-09-24 20:26:11 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>Lisa, I honestly forgot to add that when I was pg with my third I had a
teengage mom's helper come a few days a week in the afternoons from about 4
to 6 or 7. <<

Phew, I really thought that I finally had met a supermom that I always hear
about!!
I feel so much better knowing that you get help.

My ego dipped there for a moment, then recovered.....:)Subj:  Re: Dirty
Dishes/Lisa
Date:  96-09-24 20:26:11 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>Lisa, I honestly forgot to add that when I was pg with my third I had a
teengage mom's helper come a few days a week in the afternoons from about 4
to 6 or 7. <<

Phew, I really thought that I finally had met a supermom that I always hear
about!!
I feel so much better knowing that you get help.

My ego dipped there for a moment, then recovered.....:)Subj:  Dh spoils me
Date:  96-09-24 20:35:56 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>Does anyone's dh happen to spoil them?<<

I am REALLY spoiled!!!  My husband use to be a cook at 2 different
restaurants.  One was a steak and seafood fancy place, the other was a nice
Italian restaurant.  He loves to cook and does it everday when he gets home
at a decent hour.

Now mind you, I am a good cook, but he is better...especially in the meat and
Italian department.  Although he says my lasagna is the BEST he's ever tasted
anywhere, even his mom's.
On the downside, boy have I gained weight in the past 5 years; having two
babies and eating all that good food.

My Dh is also very good with the boys and offers to take them somewhere if I
need to have time to myself.  He will also not even flinch when I tell him
that I am out the door and going over to a friend's house for a couple hours.
He kisses me and tells me to have a good time.

I've only been a SAHM for the past 2 years, which my Dh has had to work 2
jobs for awhile so that I could have this priviledge.  He thankfully doesn't
have to now, but things are still tight.

Other things that my Dh helps with: ironing (he irons all of his own
clothes), sewing (he sews on all missing buttons, but rips he leaves for me),
doing the dishes, cleaning up the living room, and helping me to fold the
laundry.

He's been alone enough with the boys to know that my workday never ends, so
he is more than willing to help me with things on his day off.
I know that I am one of the luckiest wives in the world, and I always feel a
tad guilty whenever I have to complain about something that he did or failed
to do.
But then no one is perfect!

Subj:  Dh spoils me
Date:  96-09-24 20:35:56 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>Does anyone's dh happen to spoil them?<<

I am REALLY spoiled!!!  My husband use to be a cook at 2 different
restaurants.  One was a steak and seafood fancy place, the other was a nice
Italian restaurant.  He loves to cook and does it everday when he gets home
at a decent hour.

Now mind you, I am a good cook, but he is better...especially in the meat and
Italian department.  Although he says my lasagna is the BEST he's ever tasted
anywhere, even his mom's.
On the downside, boy have I gained weight in the past 5 years; having two
babies and eating all that good food.

My Dh is also very good with the boys and offers to take them somewhere if I
need to have time to myself.  He will also not even flinch when I tell him
that I am out the door and going over to a friend's house for a couple hours.
He kisses me and tells me to have a good time.

I've only been a SAHM for the past 2 years, which my Dh has had to work 2
jobs for awhile so that I could have this priviledge.  He thankfully doesn't
have to now, but things are still tight.

Other things that my Dh helps with: ironing (he irons all of his own
clothes), sewing (he sews on all missing buttons, but rips he leaves for me),
doing the dishes, cleaning up the living room, and helping me to fold the
laundry.

He's been alone enough with the boys to know that my workday never ends, so
he is more than willing to help me with things on his day off.
I know that I am one of the luckiest wives in the world, and I always feel a
tad guilty whenever I have to complain about something that he did or failed
to do.
But then no one is perfect!

Subj:  Re:RE: SAHM vs WAHF
Date:  96-09-24 20:43:14 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Amy, thanks for your thoughtful post for the other point of view, being the
working spouse.  It IS easier, I'm sure, when the kids are school aged.  I
swear the problems may get more complex as the kids age, but the actual work
involved is less...isn't it...I hope???

Look at it this way, when young kids are involved, the working spouse gets to
go to the bathroom by herself, chat with a few adults w/o interruptions,
commute alone with her thoughts, etc.  Now that our son doesn't nap (ugh!)
I've got him all day and the only down time with our daughter is her 2 hour
nap.  I'd kill for just 1/2 hour for "me" time!  Now that it's 8:30 and
they're both asleep I'm too pooped to do anything but crash into bed and
read.

NOW when the kids are older....time frees up....things get easier.  I cannot
wait!   BUT there are pros and cons to every situation - the working spouse
and the spouse at home working.  believe me, DH and I have compared and
contrasted those horrible days!  Just last week I said to him at 7am (our son
was whiny already!!!) "Please let me be the one to walk out the door this
morning...please!"  BUT the next day it's raining out or snowing out and he's
got to get the car ready for his drive or I know he's got a tough day ahead,
it is nice to be the one home and on my own schedule!

This post was also not meant to offend you or to start a debate with you -
just giving you the other side of the coin from my personal viewpoint!

Frankly I'm surprised you feel you had more personal time when you were home
with an infant!  I DO miss the times when our first born would take naps and
I would get a real break.  Now that HE won't nap anymore, though, I'm finding
it a bit tough to get a moment's downtime throughout the day.

LisaSubj:  Re:RE: SAHM vs WAHF
Date:  96-09-24 20:43:14 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Amy, thanks for your thoughtful post for the other point of view, being the
working spouse.  It IS easier, I'm sure, when the kids are school aged.  I
swear the problems may get more complex as the kids age, but the actual work
involved is less...isn't it...I hope???

Look at it this way, when young kids are involved, the working spouse gets to
go to the bathroom by herself, chat with a few adults w/o interruptions,
commute alone with her thoughts, etc.  Now that our son doesn't nap (ugh!)
I've got him all day and the only down time with our daughter is her 2 hour
nap.  I'd kill for just 1/2 hour for "me" time!  Now that it's 8:30 and
they're both asleep I'm too pooped to do anything but crash into bed and
read.

NOW when the kids are older....time frees up....things get easier.  I cannot
wait!   BUT there are pros and cons to every situation - the working spouse
and the spouse at home working.  believe me, DH and I have compared and
contrasted those horrible days!  Just last week I said to him at 7am (our son
was whiny already!!!) "Please let me be the one to walk out the door this
morning...please!"  BUT the next day it's raining out or snowing out and he's
got to get the car ready for his drive or I know he's got a tough day ahead,
it is nice to be the one home and on my own schedule!

This post was also not meant to offend you or to start a debate with you -
just giving you the other side of the coin from my personal viewpoint!

Frankly I'm surprised you feel you had more personal time when you were home
with an infant!  I DO miss the times when our first born would take naps and
I would get a real break.  Now that HE won't nap anymore, though, I'm finding
it a bit tough to get a moment's downtime throughout the day.

LisaSubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 20:45:32 edt
From:  MaVitale
Posted on:  America Online

<<So you had a hectic day.  Did you happen to think of what his day was like?
I notice alot of post refer to dh's being spoiled by their wives. >>

As a working mother I can tell you that "what his day was like" probably
included going out to lunch and sporadic "downtime" chatting with other
adults at work. And at the office, you can always close the door if things
get nuts. People at home with kids all day can't do that.

Some people accuse working mothers of attempting to be "supermom" but I think
that applies more to women who are home with kids AND try to be Martha
Stewart. (or feel pressured to be by their husbands)

MarianSubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 20:45:32 edt
From:  MaVitale
Posted on:  America Online

<<So you had a hectic day.  Did you happen to think of what his day was like?
I notice alot of post refer to dh's being spoiled by their wives. >>

As a working mother I can tell you that "what his day was like" probably
included going out to lunch and sporadic "downtime" chatting with other
adults at work. And at the office, you can always close the door if things
get nuts. People at home with kids all day can't do that.

Some people accuse working mothers of attempting to be "supermom" but I think
that applies more to women who are home with kids AND try to be Martha
Stewart. (or feel pressured to be by their husbands)

MarianSubj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 20:46:19 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

<<All due respect, Silly--I sincerely doubt it. Please try to understand: she
wasn't making fun of Native Americans. She was making fun of *us.* And
frankly, it was high time *somebody* did.>>

I got the jest of it until that last statement!  Not that thick ya know!!
She was not making fun of us by that last sentence!  If she wanted to make
fun of us she or he, since 'it' wants to remain genderless! :)   would of
said something about going home before the child welfare dept came and tried
to take away her children, then who would do the laundry etc! Or that they
better get home to get her car ready with flags for a honking fest, or get a
new catolog for trampy children! Or because her lesbian lover is waiting in
the car smoking with the infant asleep in the car seat!  or run home to add a
post to moms online dare I say it!    now at least with a close like that one
could just say ha, so someone actually does read these things!
  I am the first one that can make fun of myself, which I think I do fairly
regularly!  Things people do are fine and dandy open season, but I dont think
it is fair to lump it all together, like when a president wants to get a law
passed and knows there is no way it will pass alone, and adds it to a very
useful and needed law/bill!  Get it!??
Anyone that really knows me knows I do have a very good sence of humor, there
are just things that arent funny to me!  AND there are things I find so funny
I pee my pants and no one else thinks they are even mildly funny!  :)Subj:
Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 20:46:19 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

<<All due respect, Silly--I sincerely doubt it. Please try to understand: she
wasn't making fun of Native Americans. She was making fun of *us.* And
frankly, it was high time *somebody* did.>>

I got the jest of it until that last statement!  Not that thick ya know!!
She was not making fun of us by that last sentence!  If she wanted to make
fun of us she or he, since 'it' wants to remain genderless! :)   would of
said something about going home before the child welfare dept came and tried
to take away her children, then who would do the laundry etc! Or that they
better get home to get her car ready with flags for a honking fest, or get a
new catolog for trampy children! Or because her lesbian lover is waiting in
the car smoking with the infant asleep in the car seat!  or run home to add a
post to moms online dare I say it!    now at least with a close like that one
could just say ha, so someone actually does read these things!
  I am the first one that can make fun of myself, which I think I do fairly
regularly!  Things people do are fine and dandy open season, but I dont think
it is fair to lump it all together, like when a president wants to get a law
passed and knows there is no way it will pass alone, and adds it to a very
useful and needed law/bill!  Get it!??
Anyone that really knows me knows I do have a very good sence of humor, there
are just things that arent funny to me!  AND there are things I find so funny
I pee my pants and no one else thinks they are even mildly funny!  :)Subj:
Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 20:48:24 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Some people accuse working mothers of attempting to be "supermom" but I
think that applies more to women who are home with kids AND try to be Martha
Stewart. (or feel pressured to be by their husbands)>>

Alright, Marian!

LisaSubj:   work
Date:  96-09-24 20:55:43 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<As a working mother I can tell you that "what his day was like" probably
included going out to lunch and sporadic "downtime" chatting with other
adults at work. And at the office, you can always close the door if things
get nuts. People at home with kids all day can't do that.>>


Not all people work in offices.  And *most* children, toddlers take naps so
yes, sahm's do get some time when things get *nuts*.

Subj:  Ellen, say it isn't so
Date:  96-09-24 21:05:02 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

Not so very long ago, I posted this simple question:
<< Is Ellen gay? >>

Following was the response:

Are you asking if the character is gay or if Ellen Degeneres (sp?) is gay? If
you're asking about the person, what difference does it make? I really don't
understand why people always want to know. Will it make her more or less
comedic? Will it change your opinion of the show? Why does it matter? Why do
we seem to start with the presumption that everyone is straight and then
begin gathering "evidence" and "questioning" their sexuality? And one other
thing I wonder about: If the character Ellen comes out on the show, will most
people automatically presume that the real life Ellen is gay?
.......Just wondering and asking; not making any judgements or criticizing.


And my response is: What difference does it make? What type of question is
this? I asked a question. I just expected a simple yes or no answer. Contrary
to what you might have presumed, my asking whether or not Ellen was gay was
as "PURE" if you will, as if I was asking "Is Ellen married? I hadn't heard
that." Would you have responded with "What difference does it make?"
What a stupid thing to say. It irks me. Just because someone is gay, or
thinks they are protecting them, doesn't give them ultra-special privacy
rights. If you are gay, and you don't want anyone to know, fine, I don't
care. But if I look over, and you're holding hands with another woman, and I
think, "Hmmm, I wonder if she's gay" that doesn't mean I'm judging, or
putting an ugly label on you. I have a healthy curiosity, and I wonder about
a lot of things. And I ask questions. I just don't appreciate being told my
questions don't mean anything.

As a matter of fact, I don't really care whether or not Ellen DeGeneres is
gay in real life, is gay on the show, or is bi-sexual here, there or
anywhere. I was curious. If she's gay, yahoo and good for her. If she's not,
then yahoo and good for her. Simple question.

I know later it was answered. And thank you very much. Ellen may or may not
be gay. Yahoo and good for her.
Subj:  Re:Castration
Date:  96-09-24 21:05:24 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<<<GSusanJ posted that this would be cruel and unusual punishment.  I have
to disagree and say that I think that anyone that is the victim of a sex
crime has been treated very cruelly and unusually and that the perpetrator of
the crime deserves the absolute maximum punishment possible for this type of
crime>>>>>

My point was with the U.S. constitution that cruel and unusal punishment.  I
was not, in any way condoning sex crimes or those who commit them, just
wondering where the line is drawn..

Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-24 21:08:09 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<<And by keeping it clean never has taken away time from the children.>>>>
Its great that you can do all that and spend time with your kids, and
volunteer, but speaking from experience, I could never do it all.  I'm not
embarassed to have people see my messy house, however, as my daughter is
happy and well adjusted. Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-24 21:10:12 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<<<For people who don't wash-run after them and say, "I'm sorry, you forgot
to wash your hands!"  kind of the same way you'd say you left your purse on
the sink.>>

This just reminded me, the other day I "almost" left the bathroom at the
library without washing my hands, and then I thought : what would you guys
say :)

Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-24 21:10:12 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<<<For people who don't wash-run after them and say, "I'm sorry, you forgot
to wash your hands!"  kind of the same way you'd say you left your purse on
the sink.>>

This just reminded me, the other day I "almost" left the bathroom at the
library without washing my hands, and then I thought : what would you guys
say :)

Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-24 21:12:11 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

<<<Not all people work in offices.  And *most* children, toddlers take naps
so yes, sahm's do get some time when things get *nuts*.  >>>

Lucky for them too!  :)

I feel for moms that work outside of the home, but at the same time a lot of
them think us SAHM have it easy!  Neither is easy!  I perfer staying with my
children!!  I used to think, when I was a perfect parent that is [yeah before
I had kids!]
that a working mom would be the life, go to work do your job, leave it, come
home get kisses, snuggle with the children eat diner, give baths and off to
bed they go!  I guess because I worked as a domestic I figured that most
people had other people do the housework!   Sheltered life I guess??  Or
wishful thinking either way its a load!  [the area I grew up in this wasnt an
odd situation to have domestics especially when the woman worked outside of
the home too]
It doesnt matter if you are a SAHM or working mom, just love your kids and
that is what counts the most!


Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-24 21:12:11 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

<<<Not all people work in offices.  And *most* children, toddlers take naps
so yes, sahm's do get some time when things get *nuts*.  >>>

Lucky for them too!  :)

I feel for moms that work outside of the home, but at the same time a lot of
them think us SAHM have it easy!  Neither is easy!  I perfer staying with my
children!!  I used to think, when I was a perfect parent that is [yeah before
I had kids!]
that a working mom would be the life, go to work do your job, leave it, come
home get kisses, snuggle with the children eat diner, give baths and off to
bed they go!  I guess because I worked as a domestic I figured that most
people had other people do the housework!   Sheltered life I guess??  Or
wishful thinking either way its a load!  [the area I grew up in this wasnt an
odd situation to have domestics especially when the woman worked outside of
the home too]
It doesnt matter if you are a SAHM or working mom, just love your kids and
that is what counts the most!


Subj:  Trophy children
Date:  96-09-24 21:22:05 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Ok!  This drives me nuts!  Having a child and never seeing it.  Letting
sitters or nannys take care of the child or children all the time.  I dont
mean when you go to work, I mean the ones that once they get home from work
change clothes then go out to diner or a movie, or with friends every single
night!  So they see their child for maybe 15 min while running around
changing their clothes!  Never spending any time on weekends passing the
child off with relatives and skipping off!
 Or taking off leaving the country for 2 weeks and only calling one time to
see how anyone is!    Or just ship em off till they are 18!!
then when the parent needs to show off this perfect little child, oh swooon
swooon!  Make me barf all over myself!    Yeah then they get real mad when
the child gets stung by a bee, and the child runs to the caregiver and not
them, right in front of all the people they want to impress!  Serves em
right!!       Just gets me so mad, those poor kids are the pawns in some evil
twisted game!
Subj:  Trophy children
Date:  96-09-24 21:22:05 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Ok!  This drives me nuts!  Having a child and never seeing it.  Letting
sitters or nannys take care of the child or children all the time.  I dont
mean when you go to work, I mean the ones that once they get home from work
change clothes then go out to diner or a movie, or with friends every single
night!  So they see their child for maybe 15 min while running around
changing their clothes!  Never spending any time on weekends passing the
child off with relatives and skipping off!
 Or taking off leaving the country for 2 weeks and only calling one time to
see how anyone is!    Or just ship em off till they are 18!!
then when the parent needs to show off this perfect little child, oh swooon
swooon!  Make me barf all over myself!    Yeah then they get real mad when
the child gets stung by a bee, and the child runs to the caregiver and not
them, right in front of all the people they want to impress!  Serves em
right!!       Just gets me so mad, those poor kids are the pawns in some evil
twisted game!
Subj:  Trophy children
Date:  96-09-24 21:22:05 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Ok!  This drives me nuts!  Having a child and never seeing it.  Letting
sitters or nannys take care of the child or children all the time.  I dont
mean when you go to work, I mean the ones that once they get home from work
change clothes then go out to diner or a movie, or with friends every single
night!  So they see their child for maybe 15 min while running around
changing their clothes!  Never spending any time on weekends passing the
child off with relatives and skipping off!
 Or taking off leaving the country for 2 weeks and only calling one time to
see how anyone is!    Or just ship em off till they are 18!!
then when the parent needs to show off this perfect little child, oh swooon
swooon!  Make me barf all over myself!    Yeah then they get real mad when
the child gets stung by a bee, and the child runs to the caregiver and not
them, right in front of all the people they want to impress!  Serves em
right!!       Just gets me so mad, those poor kids are the pawns in some evil
twisted game!
Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 21:26:12 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<People need to make the decision and get involved!>>

Dh and I agree with you, the problem is, society doesn't.  I could help some
of those kids, but dh can not. Too many people are afraid of strangers.  Dh
once saw a little girl at Shopko trying to drink out of the water fountain,
and she could either hold down the button, OR drink the water.  When he
walked over and pushed the button for her, she looked at him and screamed
"MOMMY"....so there are reasons people don't help, unfortunetly.

Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 21:26:12 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<People need to make the decision and get involved!>>

Dh and I agree with you, the problem is, society doesn't.  I could help some
of those kids, but dh can not. Too many people are afraid of strangers.  Dh
once saw a little girl at Shopko trying to drink out of the water fountain,
and she could either hold down the button, OR drink the water.  When he
walked over and pushed the button for her, she looked at him and screamed
"MOMMY"....so there are reasons people don't help, unfortunetly.

Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 21:26:12 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<People need to make the decision and get involved!>>

Dh and I agree with you, the problem is, society doesn't.  I could help some
of those kids, but dh can not. Too many people are afraid of strangers.  Dh
once saw a little girl at Shopko trying to drink out of the water fountain,
and she could either hold down the button, OR drink the water.  When he
walked over and pushed the button for her, she looked at him and screamed
"MOMMY"....so there are reasons people don't help, unfortunetly.

Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-24 21:26:12 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<People need to make the decision and get involved!>>

Dh and I agree with you, the problem is, society doesn't.  I could help some
of those kids, but dh can not. Too many people are afraid of strangers.  Dh
once saw a little girl at Shopko trying to drink out of the water fountain,
and she could either hold down the button, OR drink the water.  When he
walked over and pushed the button for her, she looked at him and screamed
"MOMMY"....so there are reasons people don't help, unfortunetly.

Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 21:34:22 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Well spoken Kerry......
Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 21:34:22 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Well spoken Kerry......
Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 21:34:22 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Well spoken Kerry......
Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 21:34:22 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Well spoken Kerry......
Subj:  Re:Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-24 21:34:28 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<< It seems that the majority of schools teach "safe sex, safe sex!", and
only touch briefly upon the safest sex of all....abstinence.  >>

I hate to say it, but I remember being a teenager...Abstinence was not what
most teenagers were practicing, and most of us knew the facts..sex was also a
fact.  Subj:  Re:Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-24 21:34:28 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<< It seems that the majority of schools teach "safe sex, safe sex!", and
only touch briefly upon the safest sex of all....abstinence.  >>

I hate to say it, but I remember being a teenager...Abstinence was not what
most teenagers were practicing, and most of us knew the facts..sex was also a
fact.  Subj:  Re:Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-24 21:34:28 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<< It seems that the majority of schools teach "safe sex, safe sex!", and
only touch briefly upon the safest sex of all....abstinence.  >>

I hate to say it, but I remember being a teenager...Abstinence was not what
most teenagers were practicing, and most of us knew the facts..sex was also a
fact.  Subj:  Re:Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-24 21:34:28 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<< It seems that the majority of schools teach "safe sex, safe sex!", and
only touch briefly upon the safest sex of all....abstinence.  >>

I hate to say it, but I remember being a teenager...Abstinence was not what
most teenagers were practicing, and most of us knew the facts..sex was also a
fact.  Subj:  Re:computer help please
Date:  96-09-24 21:37:58 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<  I don't know how to format a disk for my IBM compatible so I can save
something on it. >>

I was going to answer this, and then realized I wasn't totally sure, and did
not want to be the cause of you formatting your hard drive.  I'll go look it
up.Subj:  Re:computer help please
Date:  96-09-24 21:37:58 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<  I don't know how to format a disk for my IBM compatible so I can save
something on it. >>

I was going to answer this, and then realized I wasn't totally sure, and did
not want to be the cause of you formatting your hard drive.  I'll go look it
up.Subj:  Re:computer help please
Date:  96-09-24 21:37:58 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<  I don't know how to format a disk for my IBM compatible so I can save
something on it. >>

I was going to answer this, and then realized I wasn't totally sure, and did
not want to be the cause of you formatting your hard drive.  I'll go look it
up.Subj:  Re:computer help please
Date:  96-09-24 21:37:58 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<  I don't know how to format a disk for my IBM compatible so I can save
something on it. >>

I was going to answer this, and then realized I wasn't totally sure, and did
not want to be the cause of you formatting your hard drive.  I'll go look it
up.Subj:  Re:computer help please
Date:  96-09-24 21:37:58 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<  I don't know how to format a disk for my IBM compatible so I can save
something on it. >>

I was going to answer this, and then realized I wasn't totally sure, and did
not want to be the cause of you formatting your hard drive.  I'll go look it
up.Subj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 21:46:55 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<<I didn't watch the movie, but I think a woman must accept responsibility
for her actions, which include doing drugs or getting drunk.>>>

I'm sorry..getting drunk may be stupid, but nothing, and I will repeate
nothing she (or any one being raped, date or not) did could have caused her
to deserve being raped.  Rape is rape, not a punnishment for being dumb.Subj:
Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 21:46:55 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<<I didn't watch the movie, but I think a woman must accept responsibility
for her actions, which include doing drugs or getting drunk.>>>

I'm sorry..getting drunk may be stupid, but nothing, and I will repeate
nothing she (or any one being raped, date or not) did could have caused her
to deserve being raped.  Rape is rape, not a punnishment for being dumb.Subj:
Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 21:46:55 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<<I didn't watch the movie, but I think a woman must accept responsibility
for her actions, which include doing drugs or getting drunk.>>>

I'm sorry..getting drunk may be stupid, but nothing, and I will repeate
nothing she (or any one being raped, date or not) did could have caused her
to deserve being raped.  Rape is rape, not a punnishment for being dumb.Subj:
Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 21:46:55 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<<I didn't watch the movie, but I think a woman must accept responsibility
for her actions, which include doing drugs or getting drunk.>>>

I'm sorry..getting drunk may be stupid, but nothing, and I will repeate
nothing she (or any one being raped, date or not) did could have caused her
to deserve being raped.  Rape is rape, not a punnishment for being dumb.Subj:
Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 21:46:55 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<<<I didn't watch the movie, but I think a woman must accept responsibility
for her actions, which include doing drugs or getting drunk.>>>

I'm sorry..getting drunk may be stupid, but nothing, and I will repeate
nothing she (or any one being raped, date or not) did could have caused her
to deserve being raped.  Rape is rape, not a punnishment for being dumb.Subj:
I'm Living in SAHM He**  :)
Date:  96-09-24 22:09:11 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

I have had a SAHM day.   The kids decided to tag team me, today.  When one
was fussing the other was either disobeying, spilling, breaking or climbing
on something.

It started at 7:10: Breakfast. Pop tarts?  No, English muffins.  No, Pop
tarts.   OK, one gets pop tarts; one gets English muffin..  No, I am not
going to give you a raw Pop tart.   Don't touch the pop tart,  it's still too
hot.  I told you it was hot!  Here let Mommy kiss the Booboo.  OK now?  No,
you don't have a booboo too.   That one is from August!

OK English muffin is ready.  What do you mean you don't want it cooked.  I'm
not going to give you a raw English muffin.  OK.  Butter.  OK,  I'll wait
until the muffin is cool to butter it!  No, you can't do it, you aren't
allowed to use knives.   You know that. (In My head,  1....2....3....4) Now,
I' know you're frustrated, but crying isn't going to change my mind......  Go
to your room.

And you...... stop grinding the pop tart into the rug.   To the dog, get away
from the baby.   To the baby, you know the dog isn't allow to eat people
food.   I take the pop tart away.   Baby fusses.   No, if you're not going to
eat it right......

YES,  You can come out of your room now!  Comes out of her room and says
"Mommy, I'm sorry", with tear streaked face.  They do this, you know to keep
me off guard, the loving, lesson learned routine. It works, and I
crumble,"Oh, honey, I love you.   You *are* a good girl who just does naughty
things sometimes.  I'll never expect you to be prefect."

7:25am  No, you can't wear that dress, it's a church dress.   Please, when I
say no, I don't mean ask again, but this time whine when you do it.   To the
baby, leave the diaper on!! (I win.  Both girls get dressed!!!!)
8:00am the Barney vs. Nick JR fight  (Either way, I lose this one)
8:30am the turn off the TV fight  (they win  another 1/2 hour.... Hey, I'm
only human!)
9:00am the you have to leave your clothes on when you play dress up fight.
(They win this one too)

And on and on and on........

If my hard working DH had had the unfortunate luck to come home from a hard
day's work today and asked, "where's dinner?" or "Can't the toys stay in the
toy room?" or something else entirely within his right to ask........ Well,
let me tell you, I would no longer be anoymous to all of you.   Next to my
photo, headlines would scream, "CYPERMOM GOES BERSERK AND DECAPITATES
HUSBAND.   FRIENDS SAY HE DESERVED IT"

Subj:  I'm Living in SAHM He**  :)
Date:  96-09-24 22:09:11 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

I have had a SAHM day.   The kids decided to tag team me, today.  When one
was fussing the other was either disobeying, spilling, breaking or climbing
on something.

It started at 7:10: Breakfast. Pop tarts?  No, English muffins.  No, Pop
tarts.   OK, one gets pop tarts; one gets English muffin..  No, I am not
going to give you a raw Pop tart.   Don't touch the pop tart,  it's still too
hot.  I told you it was hot!  Here let Mommy kiss the Booboo.  OK now?  No,
you don't have a booboo too.   That one is from August!

OK English muffin is ready.  What do you mean you don't want it cooked.  I'm
not going to give you a raw English muffin.  OK.  Butter.  OK,  I'll wait
until the muffin is cool to butter it!  No, you can't do it, you aren't
allowed to use knives.   You know that. (In My head,  1....2....3....4) Now,
I' know you're frustrated, but crying isn't going to change my mind......  Go
to your room.

And you...... stop grinding the pop tart into the rug.   To the dog, get away
from the baby.   To the baby, you know the dog isn't allow to eat people
food.   I take the pop tart away.   Baby fusses.   No, if you're not going to
eat it right......

YES,  You can come out of your room now!  Comes out of her room and says
"Mommy, I'm sorry", with tear streaked face.  They do this, you know to keep
me off guard, the loving, lesson learned routine. It works, and I
crumble,"Oh, honey, I love you.   You *are* a good girl who just does naughty
things sometimes.  I'll never expect you to be prefect."

7:25am  No, you can't wear that dress, it's a church dress.   Please, when I
say no, I don't mean ask again, but this time whine when you do it.   To the
baby, leave the diaper on!! (I win.  Both girls get dressed!!!!)
8:00am the Barney vs. Nick JR fight  (Either way, I lose this one)
8:30am the turn off the TV fight  (they win  another 1/2 hour.... Hey, I'm
only human!)
9:00am the you have to leave your clothes on when you play dress up fight.
(They win this one too)

And on and on and on........

If my hard working DH had had the unfortunate luck to come home from a hard
day's work today and asked, "where's dinner?" or "Can't the toys stay in the
toy room?" or something else entirely within his right to ask........ Well,
let me tell you, I would no longer be anoymous to all of you.   Next to my
photo, headlines would scream, "CYPERMOM GOES BERSERK AND DECAPITATES
HUSBAND.   FRIENDS SAY HE DESERVED IT"

Subj:  I'm Living in SAHM He**  :)
Date:  96-09-24 22:09:11 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

I have had a SAHM day.   The kids decided to tag team me, today.  When one
was fussing the other was either disobeying, spilling, breaking or climbing
on something.

It started at 7:10: Breakfast. Pop tarts?  No, English muffins.  No, Pop
tarts.   OK, one gets pop tarts; one gets English muffin..  No, I am not
going to give you a raw Pop tart.   Don't touch the pop tart,  it's still too
hot.  I told you it was hot!  Here let Mommy kiss the Booboo.  OK now?  No,
you don't have a booboo too.   That one is from August!

OK English muffin is ready.  What do you mean you don't want it cooked.  I'm
not going to give you a raw English muffin.  OK.  Butter.  OK,  I'll wait
until the muffin is cool to butter it!  No, you can't do it, you aren't
allowed to use knives.   You know that. (In My head,  1....2....3....4) Now,
I' know you're frustrated, but crying isn't going to change my mind......  Go
to your room.

And you...... stop grinding the pop tart into the rug.   To the dog, get away
from the baby.   To the baby, you know the dog isn't allow to eat people
food.   I take the pop tart away.   Baby fusses.   No, if you're not going to
eat it right......

YES,  You can come out of your room now!  Comes out of her room and says
"Mommy, I'm sorry", with tear streaked face.  They do this, you know to keep
me off guard, the loving, lesson learned routine. It works, and I
crumble,"Oh, honey, I love you.   You *are* a good girl who just does naughty
things sometimes.  I'll never expect you to be prefect."

7:25am  No, you can't wear that dress, it's a church dress.   Please, when I
say no, I don't mean ask again, but this time whine when you do it.   To the
baby, leave the diaper on!! (I win.  Both girls get dressed!!!!)
8:00am the Barney vs. Nick JR fight  (Either way, I lose this one)
8:30am the turn off the TV fight  (they win  another 1/2 hour.... Hey, I'm
only human!)
9:00am the you have to leave your clothes on when you play dress up fight.
(They win this one too)

And on and on and on........

If my hard working DH had had the unfortunate luck to come home from a hard
day's work today and asked, "where's dinner?" or "Can't the toys stay in the
toy room?" or something else entirely within his right to ask........ Well,
let me tell you, I would no longer be anoymous to all of you.   Next to my
photo, headlines would scream, "CYPERMOM GOES BERSERK AND DECAPITATES
HUSBAND.   FRIENDS SAY HE DESERVED IT"

Subj:  I'm Living in SAHM He**  :)
Date:  96-09-24 22:09:11 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

I have had a SAHM day.   The kids decided to tag team me, today.  When one
was fussing the other was either disobeying, spilling, breaking or climbing
on something.

It started at 7:10: Breakfast. Pop tarts?  No, English muffins.  No, Pop
tarts.   OK, one gets pop tarts; one gets English muffin..  No, I am not
going to give you a raw Pop tart.   Don't touch the pop tart,  it's still too
hot.  I told you it was hot!  Here let Mommy kiss the Booboo.  OK now?  No,
you don't have a booboo too.   That one is from August!

OK English muffin is ready.  What do you mean you don't want it cooked.  I'm
not going to give you a raw English muffin.  OK.  Butter.  OK,  I'll wait
until the muffin is cool to butter it!  No, you can't do it, you aren't
allowed to use knives.   You know that. (In My head,  1....2....3....4) Now,
I' know you're frustrated, but crying isn't going to change my mind......  Go
to your room.

And you...... stop grinding the pop tart into the rug.   To the dog, get away
from the baby.   To the baby, you know the dog isn't allow to eat people
food.   I take the pop tart away.   Baby fusses.   No, if you're not going to
eat it right......

YES,  You can come out of your room now!  Comes out of her room and says
"Mommy, I'm sorry", with tear streaked face.  They do this, you know to keep
me off guard, the loving, lesson learned routine. It works, and I
crumble,"Oh, honey, I love you.   You *are* a good girl who just does naughty
things sometimes.  I'll never expect you to be prefect."

7:25am  No, you can't wear that dress, it's a church dress.   Please, when I
say no, I don't mean ask again, but this time whine when you do it.   To the
baby, leave the diaper on!! (I win.  Both girls get dressed!!!!)
8:00am the Barney vs. Nick JR fight  (Either way, I lose this one)
8:30am the turn off the TV fight  (they win  another 1/2 hour.... Hey, I'm
only human!)
9:00am the you have to leave your clothes on when you play dress up fight.
(They win this one too)

And on and on and on........

If my hard working DH had had the unfortunate luck to come home from a hard
day's work today and asked, "where's dinner?" or "Can't the toys stay in the
toy room?" or something else entirely within his right to ask........ Well,
let me tell you, I would no longer be anoymous to all of you.   Next to my
photo, headlines would scream, "CYPERMOM GOES BERSERK AND DECAPITATES
HUSBAND.   FRIENDS SAY HE DESERVED IT"

Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 22:16:15 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

This is getting a little out of hand.  I did think the original post was
funny, we DO get a little wired in here.  But this is starting to look like a
personal attack just because Silly didn't think it was funny.  My dh didn't
find ANY humor in the post, he made a comment about idle minds looking to
stir up some trouble for attention.  I'd HATE to start thinking he's right
about EVERYTHING.  : )

KatieSubj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 22:16:15 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

This is getting a little out of hand.  I did think the original post was
funny, we DO get a little wired in here.  But this is starting to look like a
personal attack just because Silly didn't think it was funny.  My dh didn't
find ANY humor in the post, he made a comment about idle minds looking to
stir up some trouble for attention.  I'd HATE to start thinking he's right
about EVERYTHING.  : )

KatieSubj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 22:16:15 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

This is getting a little out of hand.  I did think the original post was
funny, we DO get a little wired in here.  But this is starting to look like a
personal attack just because Silly didn't think it was funny.  My dh didn't
find ANY humor in the post, he made a comment about idle minds looking to
stir up some trouble for attention.  I'd HATE to start thinking he's right
about EVERYTHING.  : )

KatieSubj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 22:16:15 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

This is getting a little out of hand.  I did think the original post was
funny, we DO get a little wired in here.  But this is starting to look like a
personal attack just because Silly didn't think it was funny.  My dh didn't
find ANY humor in the post, he made a comment about idle minds looking to
stir up some trouble for attention.  I'd HATE to start thinking he's right
about EVERYTHING.  : )

KatieSubj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 22:16:15 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

This is getting a little out of hand.  I did think the original post was
funny, we DO get a little wired in here.  But this is starting to look like a
personal attack just because Silly didn't think it was funny.  My dh didn't
find ANY humor in the post, he made a comment about idle minds looking to
stir up some trouble for attention.  I'd HATE to start thinking he's right
about EVERYTHING.  : )

KatieSubj:  Chemom/Stooges
Date:  96-09-24 22:26:40 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That is toooo funny!!!!!!!Subj:  Chemom/Stooges
Date:  96-09-24 22:26:40 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That is toooo funny!!!!!!!Subj:  Chemom/Stooges
Date:  96-09-24 22:26:40 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That is toooo funny!!!!!!!Subj:  Chemom/Stooges
Date:  96-09-24 22:26:40 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That is toooo funny!!!!!!!Subj:  Chemom/Stooges
Date:  96-09-24 22:26:40 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That is toooo funny!!!!!!!Subj:  Chemom/Stooges
Date:  96-09-24 22:26:40 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That is toooo funny!!!!!!!Subj:  Re:Dh spoils me
Date:  96-09-24 22:41:57 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online


I have to say that after my first marriage, I would have rather died than to
ever let someone <another man> get close to me again.  But what happened?  I
met the sweetest most romantic man I have ever known.  And yes, if you want
to call it "spoiling" me...I prefer to think of it as respect.  But yes, he's
so good to me that sometimes  <especially in the beginning>, I almost have an
ear out for that proverbial shoe to fall.  I honestly do believe that he
would do anything in this world for me.  And of course I would for him.  I do
probably 90% of the housework, but that is at MY choice.  I'm here, and he
works 10 to 12 hour days.   But he'd do all of it if I'd let him.  When I was
pregnant, I can remember walking in the door from work at 7:30 a.m, and there
he was scrubbing the kitchen floor on hands and knees.  I nearly fell over.
I hadn't even asked him to, and before I had a baby that crawled everywhere,
I didn't even scrub the floor by hand.  While not all men are saints, I've
learned first hand they're not all dogs either.  The sad part is, when he
goes out of town next week on business, I'm going to miss him too much.  I
told him today that I need to get good and mad at him before he leaves so I
don't miss him all week.  : )
Does this sound as mushy as I think it does?  Lord, I DO need sleep.  It's
been almost 48 hours.  LOL

KatieSubj:  Re:Dh spoils me
Date:  96-09-24 22:41:57 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online


I have to say that after my first marriage, I would have rather died than to
ever let someone <another man> get close to me again.  But what happened?  I
met the sweetest most romantic man I have ever known.  And yes, if you want
to call it "spoiling" me...I prefer to think of it as respect.  But yes, he's
so good to me that sometimes  <especially in the beginning>, I almost have an
ear out for that proverbial shoe to fall.  I honestly do believe that he
would do anything in this world for me.  And of course I would for him.  I do
probably 90% of the housework, but that is at MY choice.  I'm here, and he
works 10 to 12 hour days.   But he'd do all of it if I'd let him.  When I was
pregnant, I can remember walking in the door from work at 7:30 a.m, and there
he was scrubbing the kitchen floor on hands and knees.  I nearly fell over.
I hadn't even asked him to, and before I had a baby that crawled everywhere,
I didn't even scrub the floor by hand.  While not all men are saints, I've
learned first hand they're not all dogs either.  The sad part is, when he
goes out of town next week on business, I'm going to miss him too much.  I
told him today that I need to get good and mad at him before he leaves so I
don't miss him all week.  : )
Does this sound as mushy as I think it does?  Lord, I DO need sleep.  It's
been almost 48 hours.  LOL

KatieSubj:  Re:Dh spoils me
Date:  96-09-24 22:41:57 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online


I have to say that after my first marriage, I would have rather died than to
ever let someone <another man> get close to me again.  But what happened?  I
met the sweetest most romantic man I have ever known.  And yes, if you want
to call it "spoiling" me...I prefer to think of it as respect.  But yes, he's
so good to me that sometimes  <especially in the beginning>, I almost have an
ear out for that proverbial shoe to fall.  I honestly do believe that he
would do anything in this world for me.  And of course I would for him.  I do
probably 90% of the housework, but that is at MY choice.  I'm here, and he
works 10 to 12 hour days.   But he'd do all of it if I'd let him.  When I was
pregnant, I can remember walking in the door from work at 7:30 a.m, and there
he was scrubbing the kitchen floor on hands and knees.  I nearly fell over.
I hadn't even asked him to, and before I had a baby that crawled everywhere,
I didn't even scrub the floor by hand.  While not all men are saints, I've
learned first hand they're not all dogs either.  The sad part is, when he
goes out of town next week on business, I'm going to miss him too much.  I
told him today that I need to get good and mad at him before he leaves so I
don't miss him all week.  : )
Does this sound as mushy as I think it does?  Lord, I DO need sleep.  It's
been almost 48 hours.  LOL

KatieSubj:  Re:Dh spoils me
Date:  96-09-24 22:41:57 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online


I have to say that after my first marriage, I would have rather died than to
ever let someone <another man> get close to me again.  But what happened?  I
met the sweetest most romantic man I have ever known.  And yes, if you want
to call it "spoiling" me...I prefer to think of it as respect.  But yes, he's
so good to me that sometimes  <especially in the beginning>, I almost have an
ear out for that proverbial shoe to fall.  I honestly do believe that he
would do anything in this world for me.  And of course I would for him.  I do
probably 90% of the housework, but that is at MY choice.  I'm here, and he
works 10 to 12 hour days.   But he'd do all of it if I'd let him.  When I was
pregnant, I can remember walking in the door from work at 7:30 a.m, and there
he was scrubbing the kitchen floor on hands and knees.  I nearly fell over.
I hadn't even asked him to, and before I had a baby that crawled everywhere,
I didn't even scrub the floor by hand.  While not all men are saints, I've
learned first hand they're not all dogs either.  The sad part is, when he
goes out of town next week on business, I'm going to miss him too much.  I
told him today that I need to get good and mad at him before he leaves so I
don't miss him all week.  : )
Does this sound as mushy as I think it does?  Lord, I DO need sleep.  It's
been almost 48 hours.  LOL

KatieSubj:  Re:Dh spoils me
Date:  96-09-24 22:41:57 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online


I have to say that after my first marriage, I would have rather died than to
ever let someone <another man> get close to me again.  But what happened?  I
met the sweetest most romantic man I have ever known.  And yes, if you want
to call it "spoiling" me...I prefer to think of it as respect.  But yes, he's
so good to me that sometimes  <especially in the beginning>, I almost have an
ear out for that proverbial shoe to fall.  I honestly do believe that he
would do anything in this world for me.  And of course I would for him.  I do
probably 90% of the housework, but that is at MY choice.  I'm here, and he
works 10 to 12 hour days.   But he'd do all of it if I'd let him.  When I was
pregnant, I can remember walking in the door from work at 7:30 a.m, and there
he was scrubbing the kitchen floor on hands and knees.  I nearly fell over.
I hadn't even asked him to, and before I had a baby that crawled everywhere,
I didn't even scrub the floor by hand.  While not all men are saints, I've
learned first hand they're not all dogs either.  The sad part is, when he
goes out of town next week on business, I'm going to miss him too much.  I
told him today that I need to get good and mad at him before he leaves so I
don't miss him all week.  : )
Does this sound as mushy as I think it does?  Lord, I DO need sleep.  It's
been almost 48 hours.  LOL

KatieSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-24 22:56:31 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

While every situation is different, I would think it would be a LOT harder to
be a working mom.  I'm not even talking about getting the house work done, or
worrying about dh.  I feel truly blessed to be able to stay at home with
Cody.  If I missed that first smile, the first time he crawled, the first
tooth...that first step, I just can't even imagine.  For me personally, I'd
be crushed!  For all those moms who can make it work by choice or need, I say
"Good for you!!"  I'm lucky in the respect that if dh comes home early and
the house is still a wreck, he doesn't give a rat's hinee.  I sometimes
wonder how working moms deal with missing their little ones.  That has to be
HARD.

KatieSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-24 22:56:31 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

While every situation is different, I would think it would be a LOT harder to
be a working mom.  I'm not even talking about getting the house work done, or
worrying about dh.  I feel truly blessed to be able to stay at home with
Cody.  If I missed that first smile, the first time he crawled, the first
tooth...that first step, I just can't even imagine.  For me personally, I'd
be crushed!  For all those moms who can make it work by choice or need, I say
"Good for you!!"  I'm lucky in the respect that if dh comes home early and
the house is still a wreck, he doesn't give a rat's hinee.  I sometimes
wonder how working moms deal with missing their little ones.  That has to be
HARD.

KatieSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-24 22:56:31 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

While every situation is different, I would think it would be a LOT harder to
be a working mom.  I'm not even talking about getting the house work done, or
worrying about dh.  I feel truly blessed to be able to stay at home with
Cody.  If I missed that first smile, the first time he crawled, the first
tooth...that first step, I just can't even imagine.  For me personally, I'd
be crushed!  For all those moms who can make it work by choice or need, I say
"Good for you!!"  I'm lucky in the respect that if dh comes home early and
the house is still a wreck, he doesn't give a rat's hinee.  I sometimes
wonder how working moms deal with missing their little ones.  That has to be
HARD.

KatieSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-24 22:56:31 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

While every situation is different, I would think it would be a LOT harder to
be a working mom.  I'm not even talking about getting the house work done, or
worrying about dh.  I feel truly blessed to be able to stay at home with
Cody.  If I missed that first smile, the first time he crawled, the first
tooth...that first step, I just can't even imagine.  For me personally, I'd
be crushed!  For all those moms who can make it work by choice or need, I say
"Good for you!!"  I'm lucky in the respect that if dh comes home early and
the house is still a wreck, he doesn't give a rat's hinee.  I sometimes
wonder how working moms deal with missing their little ones.  That has to be
HARD.

KatieSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-24 22:56:31 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

While every situation is different, I would think it would be a LOT harder to
be a working mom.  I'm not even talking about getting the house work done, or
worrying about dh.  I feel truly blessed to be able to stay at home with
Cody.  If I missed that first smile, the first time he crawled, the first
tooth...that first step, I just can't even imagine.  For me personally, I'd
be crushed!  For all those moms who can make it work by choice or need, I say
"Good for you!!"  I'm lucky in the respect that if dh comes home early and
the house is still a wreck, he doesn't give a rat's hinee.  I sometimes
wonder how working moms deal with missing their little ones.  That has to be
HARD.

KatieSubj:  Re: Hr2PisUOff
Date:  96-09-24 23:02:09 edt
From:  JANINEMOM
Posted on:  America Online

Well Hr2- IMHO I think you have set out what you wanted to do and in that
also lived up to your screen name!!!  As for me being one of *them* don't you
know-- I think your point was well made and the humor  hilarious and you
should come on over to chat when you get time!!!
I'll be looking for you!
ReneeSubj:  Re: Hr2PisUOff
Date:  96-09-24 23:02:09 edt
From:  JANINEMOM
Posted on:  America Online

Well Hr2- IMHO I think you have set out what you wanted to do and in that
also lived up to your screen name!!!  As for me being one of *them* don't you
know-- I think your point was well made and the humor  hilarious and you
should come on over to chat when you get time!!!
I'll be looking for you!
ReneeSubj:  Re: Hr2PisUOff
Date:  96-09-24 23:02:09 edt
From:  JANINEMOM
Posted on:  America Online

Well Hr2- IMHO I think you have set out what you wanted to do and in that
also lived up to your screen name!!!  As for me being one of *them* don't you
know-- I think your point was well made and the humor  hilarious and you
should come on over to chat when you get time!!!
I'll be looking for you!
ReneeSubj:  Re: Hr2PisUOff
Date:  96-09-24 23:02:09 edt
From:  JANINEMOM
Posted on:  America Online

Well Hr2- IMHO I think you have set out what you wanted to do and in that
also lived up to your screen name!!!  As for me being one of *them* don't you
know-- I think your point was well made and the humor  hilarious and you
should come on over to chat when you get time!!!
I'll be looking for you!
ReneeSubj:  Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-24 23:04:37 edt
From:  Dankowitz
Posted on:  America Online

Well it has happened...  My dear sister, a wonderful mother and teacher has
spanked her 3 year old!  She says "time outs just don't work... it is a
little smack on his bottom only".
I have 2 children of my own - ages 2 and 4mos..  I can't imagine any thing in
this world that would upset me enough to raise my hand to my children... I
have been bitten (on the breast no less... by a jealous son), seen public
tantrums... and more... Yet, I just couldn't raise my hand and hope and pray
I never do...
What has prompted you to raise your hands to your children?  Any regrets?
Subj:  Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-24 23:04:37 edt
From:  Dankowitz
Posted on:  America Online

Well it has happened...  My dear sister, a wonderful mother and teacher has
spanked her 3 year old!  She says "time outs just don't work... it is a
little smack on his bottom only".
I have 2 children of my own - ages 2 and 4mos..  I can't imagine any thing in
this world that would upset me enough to raise my hand to my children... I
have been bitten (on the breast no less... by a jealous son), seen public
tantrums... and more... Yet, I just couldn't raise my hand and hope and pray
I never do...
What has prompted you to raise your hands to your children?  Any regrets?
Subj:  Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-24 23:04:37 edt
From:  Dankowitz
Posted on:  America Online

Well it has happened...  My dear sister, a wonderful mother and teacher has
spanked her 3 year old!  She says "time outs just don't work... it is a
little smack on his bottom only".
I have 2 children of my own - ages 2 and 4mos..  I can't imagine any thing in
this world that would upset me enough to raise my hand to my children... I
have been bitten (on the breast no less... by a jealous son), seen public
tantrums... and more... Yet, I just couldn't raise my hand and hope and pray
I never do...
What has prompted you to raise your hands to your children?  Any regrets?
Subj:  Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-24 23:04:37 edt
From:  Dankowitz
Posted on:  America Online

Well it has happened...  My dear sister, a wonderful mother and teacher has
spanked her 3 year old!  She says "time outs just don't work... it is a
little smack on his bottom only".
I have 2 children of my own - ages 2 and 4mos..  I can't imagine any thing in
this world that would upset me enough to raise my hand to my children... I
have been bitten (on the breast no less... by a jealous son), seen public
tantrums... and more... Yet, I just couldn't raise my hand and hope and pray
I never do...
What has prompted you to raise your hands to your children?  Any regrets?
Subj:  Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-24 23:04:37 edt
From:  Dankowitz
Posted on:  America Online

Well it has happened...  My dear sister, a wonderful mother and teacher has
spanked her 3 year old!  She says "time outs just don't work... it is a
little smack on his bottom only".
I have 2 children of my own - ages 2 and 4mos..  I can't imagine any thing in
this world that would upset me enough to raise my hand to my children... I
have been bitten (on the breast no less... by a jealous son), seen public
tantrums... and more... Yet, I just couldn't raise my hand and hope and pray
I never do...
What has prompted you to raise your hands to your children?  Any regrets?
Subj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 23:16:30 edt
From:  ShaMom2
Posted on:  America Online

>><<<I didn't watch the movie, but I think a woman must accept responsibility
for her actions, which include doing drugs or getting drunk.>>>

I'm sorry..getting drunk may be stupid, but nothing, and I will repeate
nothing she (or any one being raped, date or not) did could have caused her
to deserve being raped.  Rape is rape, not a punnishment for being dumb.<<


While I agree with this response I also feel that there are times when
different behavior may lead to a different outcome. I also didn't see this
movie, but have something for you to think about. If there was a street where
absolutely every car that drove on it got shot at and one of your friends
(knowing this) drove down that street and got shot, wouldn't you think they
were a little dumb for doing so? No, they didn't deserve to get shot, but if
they had gone down another street, it probably wouldn't have happened.

I have gotten into many debates with people over the rape issue, especially
after the Jodie Foster movie "The Accused" several years ago. In that movie,
if you didn't see it, Jodie Foster's character was in a bar dressed very
scantily and was dancing extremely seductively in front of a room full of
drunk guys. Yes, she got raped. Now, I don't say in the least that she
deserved it and I think those guys should fry for what they did, but if she
had behaved differently, the outcome may have been different for her.

There's my .02 on the subject.

SharonSubj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 23:16:30 edt
From:  ShaMom2
Posted on:  America Online

>><<<I didn't watch the movie, but I think a woman must accept responsibility
for her actions, which include doing drugs or getting drunk.>>>

I'm sorry..getting drunk may be stupid, but nothing, and I will repeate
nothing she (or any one being raped, date or not) did could have caused her
to deserve being raped.  Rape is rape, not a punnishment for being dumb.<<


While I agree with this response I also feel that there are times when
different behavior may lead to a different outcome. I also didn't see this
movie, but have something for you to think about. If there was a street where
absolutely every car that drove on it got shot at and one of your friends
(knowing this) drove down that street and got shot, wouldn't you think they
were a little dumb for doing so? No, they didn't deserve to get shot, but if
they had gone down another street, it probably wouldn't have happened.

I have gotten into many debates with people over the rape issue, especially
after the Jodie Foster movie "The Accused" several years ago. In that movie,
if you didn't see it, Jodie Foster's character was in a bar dressed very
scantily and was dancing extremely seductively in front of a room full of
drunk guys. Yes, she got raped. Now, I don't say in the least that she
deserved it and I think those guys should fry for what they did, but if she
had behaved differently, the outcome may have been different for her.

There's my .02 on the subject.

SharonSubj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 23:16:30 edt
From:  ShaMom2
Posted on:  America Online

>><<<I didn't watch the movie, but I think a woman must accept responsibility
for her actions, which include doing drugs or getting drunk.>>>

I'm sorry..getting drunk may be stupid, but nothing, and I will repeate
nothing she (or any one being raped, date or not) did could have caused her
to deserve being raped.  Rape is rape, not a punnishment for being dumb.<<


While I agree with this response I also feel that there are times when
different behavior may lead to a different outcome. I also didn't see this
movie, but have something for you to think about. If there was a street where
absolutely every car that drove on it got shot at and one of your friends
(knowing this) drove down that street and got shot, wouldn't you think they
were a little dumb for doing so? No, they didn't deserve to get shot, but if
they had gone down another street, it probably wouldn't have happened.

I have gotten into many debates with people over the rape issue, especially
after the Jodie Foster movie "The Accused" several years ago. In that movie,
if you didn't see it, Jodie Foster's character was in a bar dressed very
scantily and was dancing extremely seductively in front of a room full of
drunk guys. Yes, she got raped. Now, I don't say in the least that she
deserved it and I think those guys should fry for what they did, but if she
had behaved differently, the outcome may have been different for her.

There's my .02 on the subject.

SharonSubj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-24 23:16:30 edt
From:  ShaMom2
Posted on:  America Online

>><<<I didn't watch the movie, but I think a woman must accept responsibility
for her actions, which include doing drugs or getting drunk.>>>

I'm sorry..getting drunk may be stupid, but nothing, and I will repeate
nothing she (or any one being raped, date or not) did could have caused her
to deserve being raped.  Rape is rape, not a punnishment for being dumb.<<


While I agree with this response I also feel that there are times when
different behavior may lead to a different outcome. I also didn't see this
movie, but have something for you to think about. If there was a street where
absolutely every car that drove on it got shot at and one of your friends
(knowing this) drove down that street and got shot, wouldn't you think they
were a little dumb for doing so? No, they didn't deserve to get shot, but if
they had gone down another street, it probably wouldn't have happened.

I have gotten into many debates with people over the rape issue, especially
after the Jodie Foster movie "The Accused" several years ago. In that movie,
if you didn't see it, Jodie Foster's character was in a bar dressed very
scantily and was dancing extremely seductively in front of a room full of
drunk guys. Yes, she got raped. Now, I don't say in the least that she
deserved it and I think those guys should fry for what they did, but if she
had behaved differently, the outcome may have been different for her.

There's my .02 on the subject.

SharonSubj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-24 23:17:59 edt
From:  JKtheQuack
Posted on:  America Online

How about using the dressers for dirty clothes?  I've often thought of
keeping the clean dishes in the dishwasher.  We live out of Laundry baskets,
and I put my DH's into a box because we need all the baskets (6).  Each of us
has about 20 pair of underwear, except the 2 yo, won't potty train him
because of the extra laundry and the 6 month old, who has 15 outfits for the
winter.
JacquieSubj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-24 23:17:59 edt
From:  JKtheQuack
Posted on:  America Online

How about using the dressers for dirty clothes?  I've often thought of
keeping the clean dishes in the dishwasher.  We live out of Laundry baskets,
and I put my DH's into a box because we need all the baskets (6).  Each of us
has about 20 pair of underwear, except the 2 yo, won't potty train him
because of the extra laundry and the 6 month old, who has 15 outfits for the
winter.
JacquieSubj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-24 23:17:59 edt
From:  JKtheQuack
Posted on:  America Online

How about using the dressers for dirty clothes?  I've often thought of
keeping the clean dishes in the dishwasher.  We live out of Laundry baskets,
and I put my DH's into a box because we need all the baskets (6).  Each of us
has about 20 pair of underwear, except the 2 yo, won't potty train him
because of the extra laundry and the 6 month old, who has 15 outfits for the
winter.
JacquieSubj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-24 23:17:59 edt
From:  JKtheQuack
Posted on:  America Online

How about using the dressers for dirty clothes?  I've often thought of
keeping the clean dishes in the dishwasher.  We live out of Laundry baskets,
and I put my DH's into a box because we need all the baskets (6).  Each of us
has about 20 pair of underwear, except the 2 yo, won't potty train him
because of the extra laundry and the 6 month old, who has 15 outfits for the
winter.
JacquieSubj:  Re:SillyoneC  Dirty Dishes
Date:  96-09-24 23:17:59 edt
From:  JKtheQuack
Posted on:  America Online

How about using the dressers for dirty clothes?  I've often thought of
keeping the clean dishes in the dishwasher.  We live out of Laundry baskets,
and I put my DH's into a box because we need all the baskets (6).  Each of us
has about 20 pair of underwear, except the 2 yo, won't potty train him
because of the extra laundry and the 6 month old, who has 15 outfits for the
winter.
JacquieSubj:  Re:Castration
Date:  96-09-24 23:25:55 edt
From:  JKtheQuack
Posted on:  America Online

Luv2BeaMom - BRAVO!! Well said, I couldn't agree more.  My idea, Cut it off
with a dull knife, without any pain killer!  Let the B-stard bleed to
death!!!Subj:  Re:Castration
Date:  96-09-24 23:25:55 edt
From:  JKtheQuack
Posted on:  America Online

Luv2BeaMom - BRAVO!! Well said, I couldn't agree more.  My idea, Cut it off
with a dull knife, without any pain killer!  Let the B-stard bleed to
death!!!Subj:  Re:Castration
Date:  96-09-24 23:25:55 edt
From:  JKtheQuack
Posted on:  America Online

Luv2BeaMom - BRAVO!! Well said, I couldn't agree more.  My idea, Cut it off
with a dull knife, without any pain killer!  Let the B-stard bleed to
death!!!Subj:  Re:Castration
Date:  96-09-24 23:25:55 edt
From:  JKtheQuack
Posted on:  America Online

Luv2BeaMom - BRAVO!! Well said, I couldn't agree more.  My idea, Cut it off
with a dull knife, without any pain killer!  Let the B-stard bleed to
death!!!Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 23:28:45 edt
From:  JKtheQuack
Posted on:  America Online

I thought it was so funny, I copied it and E-mailed it to a friend, then
printed it to share with my DH and all the people I work with!  Subj:  Re:A
few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 23:28:45 edt
From:  JKtheQuack
Posted on:  America Online

I thought it was so funny, I copied it and E-mailed it to a friend, then
printed it to share with my DH and all the people I work with!  Subj:  Re:A
few thoughts
Date:  96-09-24 23:28:45 edt
From:  JKtheQuack
Posted on:  America Online

I thought it was so funny, I copied it and E-mailed it to a friend, then
printed it to share with my DH and all the people I work with!  Subj:  Dads
"babysitting"
Date:  96-09-24 23:40:04 edt
From:  Ksteinken
Posted on:  America Online

Luv2beaMom,  I'm glad your husband is on his way to reforming . . . I agreed
with you all along.

But one thing you said reminded me of one of my pet peeves:  When fathers
care for their own children, they are not "babysitting!"  Babysitting is when
you take care of someone ELSE's children!   I am not saying this to criticize
you in any way  -- I realize that you used the term in quotes.

It's just that I've often heard this said in real life too (i.e., "my wife's
out of town so I'm babysitting our kids tonight) and I hate it.  I think this
use of the term contributes to the idea that dh's are doing a huge favor if
they watch their own kids, because, after all, "babysitting" is something you
do for someone else.

Just my two cents.

KarenSubj:  Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-24 23:40:04 edt
From:  Ksteinken
Posted on:  America Online

Luv2beaMom,  I'm glad your husband is on his way to reforming . . . I agreed
with you all along.

But one thing you said reminded me of one of my pet peeves:  When fathers
care for their own children, they are not "babysitting!"  Babysitting is when
you take care of someone ELSE's children!   I am not saying this to criticize
you in any way  -- I realize that you used the term in quotes.

It's just that I've often heard this said in real life too (i.e., "my wife's
out of town so I'm babysitting our kids tonight) and I hate it.  I think this
use of the term contributes to the idea that dh's are doing a huge favor if
they watch their own kids, because, after all, "babysitting" is something you
do for someone else.

Just my two cents.

KarenSubj:  Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-24 23:40:04 edt
From:  Ksteinken
Posted on:  America Online

Luv2beaMom,  I'm glad your husband is on his way to reforming . . . I agreed
with you all along.

But one thing you said reminded me of one of my pet peeves:  When fathers
care for their own children, they are not "babysitting!"  Babysitting is when
you take care of someone ELSE's children!   I am not saying this to criticize
you in any way  -- I realize that you used the term in quotes.

It's just that I've often heard this said in real life too (i.e., "my wife's
out of town so I'm babysitting our kids tonight) and I hate it.  I think this
use of the term contributes to the idea that dh's are doing a huge favor if
they watch their own kids, because, after all, "babysitting" is something you
do for someone else.

Just my two cents.

KarenSubj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-24 23:47:02 edt
From:  SuZChick
Posted on:  America Online

As a nurse, the benefits of handwashing are ingrained in my head.  Do you
know that the MD who figured out that washing your hands helped cut down on
the rate of infections was actually ostracized (sp?) by the medical
community?

I've seen many cases of Hepatitis A that started in food establishments by
workers that didn't wash their hands.  Most of the culprits were adults (at
least by age).  I've also taken care of patients with an infection called
Methicillin Resistant Staph Aureus (MRSA).  Staph lives on your skin all the
time.  Sometimes it goes a little haywire.  This particular strain is
resistant to all but 1-2 antibiotics.  Tremendously scary.  There is another
one called Vancomycin Resistant Enterococcus.  It is resistant to ALL
antibiotics.  Even more scary since without a miracle, you are dead.  Good
infection control starts with the basics-----washing your hands.  Don't let
anyone tell you otherwise.  You would be amazed by the number of people who
don't realize this.

As an infectious disease doctor once told me....the key to preventing spread
of most germs is to wash your hands and don't pick your nose.Subj:  Re:Hand
washing
Date:  96-09-24 23:47:02 edt
From:  SuZChick
Posted on:  America Online

As a nurse, the benefits of handwashing are ingrained in my head.  Do you
know that the MD who figured out that washing your hands helped cut down on
the rate of infections was actually ostracized (sp?) by the medical
community?

I've seen many cases of Hepatitis A that started in food establishments by
workers that didn't wash their hands.  Most of the culprits were adults (at
least by age).  I've also taken care of patients with an infection called
Methicillin Resistant Staph Aureus (MRSA).  Staph lives on your skin all the
time.  Sometimes it goes a little haywire.  This particular strain is
resistant to all but 1-2 antibiotics.  Tremendously scary.  There is another
one called Vancomycin Resistant Enterococcus.  It is resistant to ALL
antibiotics.  Even more scary since without a miracle, you are dead.  Good
infection control starts with the basics-----washing your hands.  Don't let
anyone tell you otherwise.  You would be amazed by the number of people who
don't realize this.

As an infectious disease doctor once told me....the key to preventing spread
of most germs is to wash your hands and don't pick your nose.Subj:  Re:Hand
washing
Date:  96-09-24 23:47:02 edt
From:  SuZChick
Posted on:  America Online

As a nurse, the benefits of handwashing are ingrained in my head.  Do you
know that the MD who figured out that washing your hands helped cut down on
the rate of infections was actually ostracized (sp?) by the medical
community?

I've seen many cases of Hepatitis A that started in food establishments by
workers that didn't wash their hands.  Most of the culprits were adults (at
least by age).  I've also taken care of patients with an infection called
Methicillin Resistant Staph Aureus (MRSA).  Staph lives on your skin all the
time.  Sometimes it goes a little haywire.  This particular strain is
resistant to all but 1-2 antibiotics.  Tremendously scary.  There is another
one called Vancomycin Resistant Enterococcus.  It is resistant to ALL
antibiotics.  Even more scary since without a miracle, you are dead.  Good
infection control starts with the basics-----washing your hands.  Don't let
anyone tell you otherwise.  You would be amazed by the number of people who
don't realize this.

As an infectious disease doctor once told me....the key to preventing spread
of most germs is to wash your hands and don't pick your nose.Subj:  Re:Hand
washing
Date:  96-09-24 23:47:02 edt
From:  SuZChick
Posted on:  America Online

As a nurse, the benefits of handwashing are ingrained in my head.  Do you
know that the MD who figured out that washing your hands helped cut down on
the rate of infections was actually ostracized (sp?) by the medical
community?

I've seen many cases of Hepatitis A that started in food establishments by
workers that didn't wash their hands.  Most of the culprits were adults (at
least by age).  I've also taken care of patients with an infection called
Methicillin Resistant Staph Aureus (MRSA).  Staph lives on your skin all the
time.  Sometimes it goes a little haywire.  This particular strain is
resistant to all but 1-2 antibiotics.  Tremendously scary.  There is another
one called Vancomycin Resistant Enterococcus.  It is resistant to ALL
antibiotics.  Even more scary since without a miracle, you are dead.  Good
infection control starts with the basics-----washing your hands.  Don't let
anyone tell you otherwise.  You would be amazed by the number of people who
don't realize this.

As an infectious disease doctor once told me....the key to preventing spread
of most germs is to wash your hands and don't pick your nose.Subj:  Re: Dirty
DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 23:54:13 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<He is actually a great guy, that adds so much to my life I cannot imagine
life without him.>>

Well OK then Shari, you *don't* have to have him shot.

Lynn
Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 23:54:13 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<He is actually a great guy, that adds so much to my life I cannot imagine
life without him.>>

Well OK then Shari, you *don't* have to have him shot.

Lynn
Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 23:54:13 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<He is actually a great guy, that adds so much to my life I cannot imagine
life without him.>>

Well OK then Shari, you *don't* have to have him shot.

Lynn
Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-24 23:54:13 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<He is actually a great guy, that adds so much to my life I cannot imagine
life without him.>>

Well OK then Shari, you *don't* have to have him shot.

Lynn
Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 00:16:04 edt
From:  Ksteinken
Posted on:  America Online

Jaynums,

One way to make it easier on yourself: allow "raw" pop-tarts and english
muffins!

Hang in there!

KarenSubj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 00:16:04 edt
From:  Ksteinken
Posted on:  America Online

Jaynums,

One way to make it easier on yourself: allow "raw" pop-tarts and english
muffins!

Hang in there!

KarenSubj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 00:16:04 edt
From:  Ksteinken
Posted on:  America Online

Jaynums,

One way to make it easier on yourself: allow "raw" pop-tarts and english
muffins!

Hang in there!

KarenSubj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 00:16:04 edt
From:  Ksteinken
Posted on:  America Online

Jaynums,

One way to make it easier on yourself: allow "raw" pop-tarts and english
muffins!

Hang in there!

KarenSubj:  Re:hiding
Date:  96-09-25 00:31:17 edt
From:  Mrspopper
Posted on:  America Online

ONEWEEB asked - <<How much courage does it take to post something in an
obviously fake name?>>

and Kidsgamer replied - <<Well, although you do sign your post Lisa, one can
hardly call "ONEWEEB" an authentic name.>>

I would like to add that Oneweeb, in all her various incarnations, is well
known in Moms-on-line. I talk to her frequently in chat. I would think that
regular posters here and chatters *know* Oneweeb and she is not hiding behind
her screen name where as the post that was being discussed is from a screen
name I've never seen before. From reading all the posts about the screen
name, I'm assuming most of you haven't seen it before either, so it's pretty
safe to say he/she is *hiding* behind a fake name.Subj:  Re:hiding
Date:  96-09-25 00:31:17 edt
From:  Mrspopper
Posted on:  America Online

ONEWEEB asked - <<How much courage does it take to post something in an
obviously fake name?>>

and Kidsgamer replied - <<Well, although you do sign your post Lisa, one can
hardly call "ONEWEEB" an authentic name.>>

I would like to add that Oneweeb, in all her various incarnations, is well
known in Moms-on-line. I talk to her frequently in chat. I would think that
regular posters here and chatters *know* Oneweeb and she is not hiding behind
her screen name where as the post that was being discussed is from a screen
name I've never seen before. From reading all the posts about the screen
name, I'm assuming most of you haven't seen it before either, so it's pretty
safe to say he/she is *hiding* behind a fake name.Subj:  re: being spoiled by
dh
Date:  96-09-25 00:57:12 edt
From:  Mrspopper
Posted on:  America Online

I work from home so I guess I'm a WSAHM. My dh has his moments where he
drives me nuts. He's obsesive compulsive so some of it he can't really
control but that doesn't make it easier for me to deal with. He works nights
so I'm alone with the kids most of the time (when he is home he's sleeping).
But my dh, while he doesn't spoil me, he cares for me and our kids. He
doesn't *babysit* he is just with them. He cleans up after himself,
straightens up their room, cleans up after dinner and takes care of the
property and house. I have a DH who's DEPENDABLE and I'll take that over
being spoiled any day. (see my post in the "my dh board" for a real good look
at him).Subj:  re: being spoiled by dh
Date:  96-09-25 00:57:12 edt
From:  Mrspopper
Posted on:  America Online

I work from home so I guess I'm a WSAHM. My dh has his moments where he
drives me nuts. He's obsesive compulsive so some of it he can't really
control but that doesn't make it easier for me to deal with. He works nights
so I'm alone with the kids most of the time (when he is home he's sleeping).
But my dh, while he doesn't spoil me, he cares for me and our kids. He
doesn't *babysit* he is just with them. He cleans up after himself,
straightens up their room, cleans up after dinner and takes care of the
property and house. I have a DH who's DEPENDABLE and I'll take that over
being spoiled any day. (see my post in the "my dh board" for a real good look
at him).Subj:  MOs newletter
Date:  96-09-25 01:30:35 edt
From:  Woodsmoma
Posted on:  America Online

Did anyone else write to the person who made the "not fan mail" comment that
was in the newsletter last week??  Is anyone else upset at the blatant
emotional manipulation of only putting in a portion of the persons comments
so we, as readers, would get all riled up??  I wrote JChil93455, and found
that this person ws talking about moms and support groups and men and not
having support groups and the "pat on the back" resentment of men....the
portion that was printed was misleading us to think this person was just
"mommie bashing"....I feel so glad that I wrote and asked this person WHAT
did they really say, before I got all het up and wrote a "flaming"
email.....wonder how many others just went NUTS and flamed anyway....Dare I
say that I am sadly disappointed in the staff over this, and when I heard
MOMS staff person say in open chat that "printing this piece" this week is
worth the "reply we will print next week"  I was suspicious...rightly so it
seems....We, as moms get enough GENUINE bashing without having to "pull it
out" of someone's letter and deliberately leave out portions of it!!  You'd
think it was "election year" here too.....anyone else feel manipulated by
this??
KathieSubj:  MOs newletter
Date:  96-09-25 01:30:35 edt
From:  Woodsmoma
Posted on:  America Online

Did anyone else write to the person who made the "not fan mail" comment that
was in the newsletter last week??  Is anyone else upset at the blatant
emotional manipulation of only putting in a portion of the persons comments
so we, as readers, would get all riled up??  I wrote JChil93455, and found
that this person ws talking about moms and support groups and men and not
having support groups and the "pat on the back" resentment of men....the
portion that was printed was misleading us to think this person was just
"mommie bashing"....I feel so glad that I wrote and asked this person WHAT
did they really say, before I got all het up and wrote a "flaming"
email.....wonder how many others just went NUTS and flamed anyway....Dare I
say that I am sadly disappointed in the staff over this, and when I heard
MOMS staff person say in open chat that "printing this piece" this week is
worth the "reply we will print next week"  I was suspicious...rightly so it
seems....We, as moms get enough GENUINE bashing without having to "pull it
out" of someone's letter and deliberately leave out portions of it!!  You'd
think it was "election year" here too.....anyone else feel manipulated by
this??
KathieSubj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-25 01:39:28 edt
From:  UhOh Yikes
Posted on:  America Online

I like your style Babs..  :)
Subj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-25 01:39:28 edt
From:  UhOh Yikes
Posted on:  America Online

I like your style Babs..  :)
Subj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-25 01:39:28 edt
From:  UhOh Yikes
Posted on:  America Online

I like your style Babs..  :)
Subj:  Re: hiding ???
Date:  96-09-25 01:44:32 edt
From:  UhOh Yikes
Posted on:  America Online

I gotta tell you.. I just found these boards today and Im having a real good
laugh... I wont comment on anything else except that I love sarcasm..
cynicism..satire... spoofs.. anything that makes me think and laugh for a few
minutes...I can see that this looks like a safe little area for moms/parents
to discuss.. rant, rave, even bare those claws once in awhile..  LOL..
whatever.. comes complete with someone with the power to remove messages at
their discretion...I read something about the Line item veto in Hr2's
posting.. what a hoot...I usually prefer the Net for most of my informational
needs.. Its a really big scary place.. full of free speech and NO
censorship...
Hmmm.. what a concept.. freedom of information.. why is it so many of us are
so scared of opposing idea's ? Oh and by the way.. yes I have kids.. no I
dont beat them..my dishes are almost always 1/2 way to the cupboard...I
couldnt care less if Ellen is gay or not......and yes I wash my hands..
especially after going to Walmart...  ;-pSubj:  Re: hiding ???
Date:  96-09-25 01:44:32 edt
From:  UhOh Yikes
Posted on:  America Online

I gotta tell you.. I just found these boards today and Im having a real good
laugh... I wont comment on anything else except that I love sarcasm..
cynicism..satire... spoofs.. anything that makes me think and laugh for a few
minutes...I can see that this looks like a safe little area for moms/parents
to discuss.. rant, rave, even bare those claws once in awhile..  LOL..
whatever.. comes complete with someone with the power to remove messages at
their discretion...I read something about the Line item veto in Hr2's
posting.. what a hoot...I usually prefer the Net for most of my informational
needs.. Its a really big scary place.. full of free speech and NO
censorship...
Hmmm.. what a concept.. freedom of information.. why is it so many of us are
so scared of opposing idea's ? Oh and by the way.. yes I have kids.. no I
dont beat them..my dishes are almost always 1/2 way to the cupboard...I
couldnt care less if Ellen is gay or not......and yes I wash my hands..
especially after going to Walmart...  ;-pSubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-25 02:00:20 edt
From:  Woodsmoma
Posted on:  America Online

know that I am way late with this but hee hee hee....I like to read this
board, keeps me laughing!!!!  Life IS too serious and sad and hard, but if ya
can't "say that" then
you could end up in one of those little white jackets....Have a good week
posters!!
KathieSubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-25 02:00:20 edt
From:  Woodsmoma
Posted on:  America Online

know that I am way late with this but hee hee hee....I like to read this
board, keeps me laughing!!!!  Life IS too serious and sad and hard, but if ya
can't "say that" then
you could end up in one of those little white jackets....Have a good week
posters!!
KathieSubj:  RE: SAHM vs WAHF
Date:  96-09-25 03:11:21 edt
From:  Chemom
Posted on:  America Online



RE: SAHM vs WAHF

Well, as another WM with a SAHDH, I think staying at home is harder (with a 3
yo and a 6 mo). When I get home from work dh gets to take a break first.

Lisa-it will get easier when your son starts preschool. My 3 yo started 2
weeks ago (half days) and dh is a whole new man. He's keeping up with the
laundry! He still doesn't make dinner, but then the only things he can make
are pancakes, waffles and scrambled eggs so I'm not missing much.
When we only had one kid it seemed so hard; Now if one of us is only taking
care of one child it seems like a piece of cake.

Shannon

Subj:  RE: SAHM vs WAHF
Date:  96-09-25 03:11:21 edt
From:  Chemom
Posted on:  America Online



RE: SAHM vs WAHF

Well, as another WM with a SAHDH, I think staying at home is harder (with a 3
yo and a 6 mo). When I get home from work dh gets to take a break first.

Lisa-it will get easier when your son starts preschool. My 3 yo started 2
weeks ago (half days) and dh is a whole new man. He's keeping up with the
laundry! He still doesn't make dinner, but then the only things he can make
are pancakes, waffles and scrambled eggs so I'm not missing much.
When we only had one kid it seemed so hard; Now if one of us is only taking
care of one child it seems like a piece of cake.

Shannon

Subj:  The DISI Board
Date:  96-09-25 03:34:55 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

There are a lot of people standing back to back here without even realizing
it, you know, the ultra-conservative, religious fanatics he** bent on
reforming or shaming everyone in the world that doesn't share there opinion
spine to spine with the very liberal, let's save the whole world, if you
don't hug a tree you are killing the earth "nippies" (90's hippies according
to my 16 yo neighbor) he**bent on reforming or shaming everyone in the world
that doesn't share their opinion.  If they ever look back over their own
shoulders and see who is right there, they will either 1) go insane over the
irony of it all or 2) quickly look away, hope no one saw them, and keep right
on hammering their own brand of "right living".

DISI is the only place on aol that I come to regularly.  I discovered it not
long after getting online, found it to be interesting, and as I haven't time
for much else (online), spend my online time here.   There are days when I
think to myself "Why do I come here and waste my time reading this crap??"
But, then just when I am thinking of just giving up my DISI addiction, I read
a post and see that a sane and thoughtful mind has composed it, and I am once
again captivated by this board.  There are some great people that come here
(you *know* who you are :)   )  and that is why I keep coming back.  Plus, I
figure if a few fanatics are here, at least they aren't out blocking a
women's clinic or handcuffing themselves to a tree (which is certainly their
RIGHT by the way, don't want to rile those RIGHTS people, eek.....)

So, how's my sense of humor on the DISI "Sens-o-Humo-Rater"??

Shari

(Disclaimer:  This was written with a sense of humor, mine!  In the event
that you find it is offensive or unhumorous or way off base or it makes you
feel VERY defensive, I can not be held responsible for what happens to you if
you look over your shoulder.  And, if you don't get the humor in this
disclaimer, God help us all :)!! )
Subj:  The DISI Board
Date:  96-09-25 03:34:55 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

There are a lot of people standing back to back here without even realizing
it, you know, the ultra-conservative, religious fanatics he** bent on
reforming or shaming everyone in the world that doesn't share there opinion
spine to spine with the very liberal, let's save the whole world, if you
don't hug a tree you are killing the earth "nippies" (90's hippies according
to my 16 yo neighbor) he**bent on reforming or shaming everyone in the world
that doesn't share their opinion.  If they ever look back over their own
shoulders and see who is right there, they will either 1) go insane over the
irony of it all or 2) quickly look away, hope no one saw them, and keep right
on hammering their own brand of "right living".

DISI is the only place on aol that I come to regularly.  I discovered it not
long after getting online, found it to be interesting, and as I haven't time
for much else (online), spend my online time here.   There are days when I
think to myself "Why do I come here and waste my time reading this crap??"
But, then just when I am thinking of just giving up my DISI addiction, I read
a post and see that a sane and thoughtful mind has composed it, and I am once
again captivated by this board.  There are some great people that come here
(you *know* who you are :)   )  and that is why I keep coming back.  Plus, I
figure if a few fanatics are here, at least they aren't out blocking a
women's clinic or handcuffing themselves to a tree (which is certainly their
RIGHT by the way, don't want to rile those RIGHTS people, eek.....)

So, how's my sense of humor on the DISI "Sens-o-Humo-Rater"??

Shari

(Disclaimer:  This was written with a sense of humor, mine!  In the event
that you find it is offensive or unhumorous or way off base or it makes you
feel VERY defensive, I can not be held responsible for what happens to you if
you look over your shoulder.  And, if you don't get the humor in this
disclaimer, God help us all :)!! )
Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 03:36:12 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


SillyoneC, I agree!  Loving your kids is what it (motherhood and a lot of
life) are all about!!  Nice to know we agree on something!! :)  Shari
Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 03:36:12 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


SillyoneC, I agree!  Loving your kids is what it (motherhood and a lot of
life) are all about!!  Nice to know we agree on something!! :)  Shari
Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 03:36:12 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


SillyoneC, I agree!  Loving your kids is what it (motherhood and a lot of
life) are all about!!  Nice to know we agree on something!! :)  Shari
Subj:  Re:Dh spoils me
Date:  96-09-25 03:37:34 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Katie, I have read many of your posts here, and from what I can tell, you are
a good person.  I am glad that you have a husband that is so good to you.  It
is always nice to hear someone express such positive sentiments abouth their
dh. :)  Shari
Subj:  Re:Dh spoils me
Date:  96-09-25 03:37:34 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Katie, I have read many of your posts here, and from what I can tell, you are
a good person.  I am glad that you have a husband that is so good to you.  It
is always nice to hear someone express such positive sentiments abouth their
dh. :)  Shari
Subj:  Re:Dh spoils me
Date:  96-09-25 03:37:34 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Katie, I have read many of your posts here, and from what I can tell, you are
a good person.  I am glad that you have a husband that is so good to you.  It
is always nice to hear someone express such positive sentiments abouth their
dh. :)  Shari
Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-25 03:40:06 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Lynn,

Whew!!  I was worried there for a minute.  I saw a van pull up down the
street this morning and was worried it was the firing squad, imagine my
relief when I realized it was just the j.w.'s on their weekly door knocking
campaign!!  Glad he got a reprieve *this* time!! :)  Shari

(P.S.  Despite a deep resistance I have had, I am really starting to like
you!!  :)
Maybe it's 'cause I *found* my sense of humor!!  Always knew it was
somewhere,
just got lost under all those diapers and dirty dishes and ....)
Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-25 03:40:06 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Lynn,

Whew!!  I was worried there for a minute.  I saw a van pull up down the
street this morning and was worried it was the firing squad, imagine my
relief when I realized it was just the j.w.'s on their weekly door knocking
campaign!!  Glad he got a reprieve *this* time!! :)  Shari

(P.S.  Despite a deep resistance I have had, I am really starting to like
you!!  :)
Maybe it's 'cause I *found* my sense of humor!!  Always knew it was
somewhere,
just got lost under all those diapers and dirty dishes and ....)
Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-25 03:40:06 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Lynn,

Whew!!  I was worried there for a minute.  I saw a van pull up down the
street this morning and was worried it was the firing squad, imagine my
relief when I realized it was just the j.w.'s on their weekly door knocking
campaign!!  Glad he got a reprieve *this* time!! :)  Shari

(P.S.  Despite a deep resistance I have had, I am really starting to like
you!!  :)
Maybe it's 'cause I *found* my sense of humor!!  Always knew it was
somewhere,
just got lost under all those diapers and dirty dishes and ....)
Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 03:42:11 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Jaynums, I laughed out loud, for real!!  Had to try and shut up so I wouldn't
wake up my little one!!  Hope tomorrow is SAHM Heaven for you. :)

ShariSubj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 03:42:11 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Jaynums, I laughed out loud, for real!!  Had to try and shut up so I wouldn't
wake up my little one!!  Hope tomorrow is SAHM Heaven for you. :)

ShariSubj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 03:42:11 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Jaynums, I laughed out loud, for real!!  Had to try and shut up so I wouldn't
wake up my little one!!  Hope tomorrow is SAHM Heaven for you. :)

ShariSubj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 03:42:11 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online

Jaynums, I laughed out loud, for real!!  Had to try and shut up so I wouldn't
wake up my little one!!  Hope tomorrow is SAHM Heaven for you. :)

ShariSubj:  Re:Ellen, say it isn't so
Date:  96-09-25 03:46:02 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


Hapeli, let's face it, you can't post anything here that SOMEONE won't take
objection to or debate with you.  I  venture to say that if you posted
someone's screen name and a simple phrase like "Have a nice day" to 10
different names, you would be able to get someone's panties in a bunch.

Oh, and what *exactly* do you  mean by "Yahoo and good for her"?  It sounds
like you are being very flip, blah blah blah (JUST KIDDING!! : )  )

Shari



Subj:  Re:Ellen, say it isn't so
Date:  96-09-25 03:46:02 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


Hapeli, let's face it, you can't post anything here that SOMEONE won't take
objection to or debate with you.  I  venture to say that if you posted
someone's screen name and a simple phrase like "Have a nice day" to 10
different names, you would be able to get someone's panties in a bunch.

Oh, and what *exactly* do you  mean by "Yahoo and good for her"?  It sounds
like you are being very flip, blah blah blah (JUST KIDDING!! : )  )

Shari



Subj:  Re:Ellen, say it isn't so
Date:  96-09-25 03:46:02 edt
From:  Luv2BeaMom
Posted on:  America Online


Hapeli, let's face it, you can't post anything here that SOMEONE won't take
objection to or debate with you.  I  venture to say that if you posted
someone's screen name and a simple phrase like "Have a nice day" to 10
different names, you would be able to get someone's panties in a bunch.

Oh, and what *exactly* do you  mean by "Yahoo and good for her"?  It sounds
like you are being very flip, blah blah blah (JUST KIDDING!! : )  )

Shari



Subj:  Re:MOs newletter
Date:  96-09-25 07:54:00 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<.Dare I say that I am sadly disappointed in the staff over this, and when I
heard MOMS staff person say in open chat that "printing this piece" this week
is worth the "reply we will print next week" >>

If what you say is true, I certainly feel bad for the poster having her name
broadcasted throughout MOL!!.   It is not uncommon that posts are pulled
apart and certain portions are taken out of context.  Words mean different
things to different people.  Some people (as you have certainly seen here)
(much sarcasim intended) can not deal with the opinions of others and their
words separated appear to mean something totally different.Subj:  Re:MOs
newletter
Date:  96-09-25 07:54:00 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<.Dare I say that I am sadly disappointed in the staff over this, and when I
heard MOMS staff person say in open chat that "printing this piece" this week
is worth the "reply we will print next week" >>

If what you say is true, I certainly feel bad for the poster having her name
broadcasted throughout MOL!!.   It is not uncommon that posts are pulled
apart and certain portions are taken out of context.  Words mean different
things to different people.  Some people (as you have certainly seen here)
(much sarcasim intended) can not deal with the opinions of others and their
words separated appear to mean something totally different.Subj:  Re:MOs
newletter
Date:  96-09-25 07:54:00 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<.Dare I say that I am sadly disappointed in the staff over this, and when I
heard MOMS staff person say in open chat that "printing this piece" this week
is worth the "reply we will print next week" >>

If what you say is true, I certainly feel bad for the poster having her name
broadcasted throughout MOL!!.   It is not uncommon that posts are pulled
apart and certain portions are taken out of context.  Words mean different
things to different people.  Some people (as you have certainly seen here)
(much sarcasim intended) can not deal with the opinions of others and their
words separated appear to mean something totally different.Subj:  Re: Dirty
DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-25 08:26:57 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<, as we have moved twice to new towns in past 19 mos & son is 21 mos., not
to mention living in hotels during moving transitions!!  I am lucky I know
where most of our stuff is.)   <<

After reading that sentence total apologies if you took my response to heart.
It certainly was not meant to be that way.  Moving is _very_ ........well, I
am sure you know!!!Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-25 08:26:57 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<, as we have moved twice to new towns in past 19 mos & son is 21 mos., not
to mention living in hotels during moving transitions!!  I am lucky I know
where most of our stuff is.)   <<

After reading that sentence total apologies if you took my response to heart.
It certainly was not meant to be that way.  Moving is _very_ ........well, I
am sure you know!!!Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-25 08:26:57 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<, as we have moved twice to new towns in past 19 mos & son is 21 mos., not
to mention living in hotels during moving transitions!!  I am lucky I know
where most of our stuff is.)   <<

After reading that sentence total apologies if you took my response to heart.
It certainly was not meant to be that way.  Moving is _very_ ........well, I
am sure you know!!!Subj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-25 08:26:57 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<, as we have moved twice to new towns in past 19 mos & son is 21 mos., not
to mention living in hotels during moving transitions!!  I am lucky I know
where most of our stuff is.)   <<

After reading that sentence total apologies if you took my response to heart.
It certainly was not meant to be that way.  Moving is _very_ ........well, I
am sure you know!!!Subj:  Re:Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-25 08:36:23 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<. But the *facts* are that some teens are going to have sex anyway. <<

Why is it that people who push the only abstinence thing just don't get it?

Wouldn't it be wonderful if all our children didn't have sex until they were
married?!  Is that reality?
As teens they should be educated in every aspect of having sex.  And if they
are set on having sex hopefully they may have the brains to use condoms!!
Subj:  Re:Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-25 08:36:23 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<. But the *facts* are that some teens are going to have sex anyway. <<

Why is it that people who push the only abstinence thing just don't get it?

Wouldn't it be wonderful if all our children didn't have sex until they were
married?!  Is that reality?
As teens they should be educated in every aspect of having sex.  And if they
are set on having sex hopefully they may have the brains to use condoms!!
Subj:  Re:Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-25 08:36:23 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<. But the *facts* are that some teens are going to have sex anyway. <<

Why is it that people who push the only abstinence thing just don't get it?

Wouldn't it be wonderful if all our children didn't have sex until they were
married?!  Is that reality?
As teens they should be educated in every aspect of having sex.  And if they
are set on having sex hopefully they may have the brains to use condoms!!
Subj:  Re:Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-25 08:36:23 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<. But the *facts* are that some teens are going to have sex anyway. <<

Why is it that people who push the only abstinence thing just don't get it?

Wouldn't it be wonderful if all our children didn't have sex until they were
married?!  Is that reality?
As teens they should be educated in every aspect of having sex.  And if they
are set on having sex hopefully they may have the brains to use condoms!!
Subj:  Re:She Cried No
Date:  96-09-25 09:08:15 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<I'm sorry..getting drunk may be stupid, but nothing, and I will repeate
nothing she (or any one being raped, date or not) did could have caused her
to deserve being raped.  Rape is rape, not a punnishment for being dumb.>>

Exactly...I stated that this was not a cause of her rape.  HOWEVER women
should take extra care to keep their senses about them in all situations - be
it in a club, a frat house, a party, whatever.  I drive with my doors locked,
don't go through questionable neighborhoods, don't walk alone at night, etc.
Same idea.  She would NOT be responsible for her rape.  The man who
perpetrated the rape would be responsible and should go to jail for it.
Unfortunately this is not a perfect world and self-protection is vital.  I
will teach my son to have respect for women and my daughter to watch out for
herself and warn her of the horrible things that can happen.  Subj:  Re:She
Cried No
Date:  96-09-25 09:08:15 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<I'm sorry..getting drunk may be stupid, but nothing, and I will repeate
nothing she (or any one being raped, date or not) did could have caused her
to deserve being raped.  Rape is rape, not a punnishment for being dumb.>>

Exactly...I stated that this was not a cause of her rape.  HOWEVER women
should take extra care to keep their senses about them in all situations - be
it in a club, a frat house, a party, whatever.  I drive with my doors locked,
don't go through questionable neighborhoods, don't walk alone at night, etc.
Same idea.  She would NOT be responsible for her rape.  The man who
perpetrated the rape would be responsible and should go to jail for it.
Unfortunately this is not a perfect world and self-protection is vital.  I
will teach my son to have respect for women and my daughter to watch out for
herself and warn her of the horrible things that can happen.  Subj:
Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 09:10:09 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>>On my way out I picked up a magazine that had some very good articles. One
of them was about the Indians, or in PC terms, Native Americans, or
Indigenous People ) and all of the lawsuits they have pending in the federal
courts. I am so tired of them complaining. Personally I think they should
send them back to wherever they came from !    Thanks for listening....>>>

No I don't insult people just because they do not disagree with me.  I,
however, feel that if
something is being misinterpreted, it should be pointed out.  For the record,
the above is
the last sentence of Hr2pisuoff's post.  I honestly think Sillyone did not
get what this is
all about.  There have been quite a few recent news items about Native
Americans and
their long standing claims about how their land was taken from them, etc.
etc.  There
is a fight currently underway to remove the name "squaw" from name of lakes,
mountain
ranges, forests, etc. because of it's implications.   When Hr2pissuof says
"personally,
I think they should send them back to wherever they came from", she is saying
send them
back to "HERE".  It's sarcastic humor at it's best.  Yes, Sillyone, I don't
think you did quite
get it, and no Kerry, that was not an insult to Sillyone.  We all have to
think what we are
saying from time to time.  It's very easy for us to see a news release that
the Native
Americans are complaining about losing this and losing that, and then for us
to say well if
you don't like it, go back to where you came from.  The problem is, is that
this IS where
they came from.   She was just showing us how silly we can sound by saying
stupid
things like that from time to time.  I don't know about you guys, but I'm not
the most
perfect and politically correct person from time to time.  I have looked at
news stories
where other races and religions are complaining that the government is doing
this or that,
and I've thought that exact thought to myself.  If you don't like it, leave.
I don't consider
myself prejudice or racist, but just human.

Babs

Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 09:10:09 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>>On my way out I picked up a magazine that had some very good articles. One
of them was about the Indians, or in PC terms, Native Americans, or
Indigenous People ) and all of the lawsuits they have pending in the federal
courts. I am so tired of them complaining. Personally I think they should
send them back to wherever they came from !    Thanks for listening....>>>

No I don't insult people just because they do not disagree with me.  I,
however, feel that if
something is being misinterpreted, it should be pointed out.  For the record,
the above is
the last sentence of Hr2pisuoff's post.  I honestly think Sillyone did not
get what this is
all about.  There have been quite a few recent news items about Native
Americans and
their long standing claims about how their land was taken from them, etc.
etc.  There
is a fight currently underway to remove the name "squaw" from name of lakes,
mountain
ranges, forests, etc. because of it's implications.   When Hr2pissuof says
"personally,
I think they should send them back to wherever they came from", she is saying
send them
back to "HERE".  It's sarcastic humor at it's best.  Yes, Sillyone, I don't
think you did quite
get it, and no Kerry, that was not an insult to Sillyone.  We all have to
think what we are
saying from time to time.  It's very easy for us to see a news release that
the Native
Americans are complaining about losing this and losing that, and then for us
to say well if
you don't like it, go back to where you came from.  The problem is, is that
this IS where
they came from.   She was just showing us how silly we can sound by saying
stupid
things like that from time to time.  I don't know about you guys, but I'm not
the most
perfect and politically correct person from time to time.  I have looked at
news stories
where other races and religions are complaining that the government is doing
this or that,
and I've thought that exact thought to myself.  If you don't like it, leave.
I don't consider
myself prejudice or racist, but just human.

Babs

Subj:  Re:RE: SAHM vs WAHF
Date:  96-09-25 09:16:53 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Lisa-it will get easier when your son starts preschool. My 3 yo started 2
weeks ago (half days) and dh is a whole new man. He's keeping up with the
laundry! He still doesn't make dinner, but then the only things he can make
are pancakes, waffles and scrambled eggs so I'm not missing much.
When we only had one kid it seemed so hard; Now if one of us is only taking
care of one child it seems like a piece of cake.
>>

Shannon - thanks for the hope! LOL

LisaSubj:  Re:RE: SAHM vs WAHF
Date:  96-09-25 09:16:53 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Lisa-it will get easier when your son starts preschool. My 3 yo started 2
weeks ago (half days) and dh is a whole new man. He's keeping up with the
laundry! He still doesn't make dinner, but then the only things he can make
are pancakes, waffles and scrambled eggs so I'm not missing much.
When we only had one kid it seemed so hard; Now if one of us is only taking
care of one child it seems like a piece of cake.
>>

Shannon - thanks for the hope! LOL

LisaSubj:  Re:RE: SAHM vs WAHF
Date:  96-09-25 09:16:53 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Lisa-it will get easier when your son starts preschool. My 3 yo started 2
weeks ago (half days) and dh is a whole new man. He's keeping up with the
laundry! He still doesn't make dinner, but then the only things he can make
are pancakes, waffles and scrambled eggs so I'm not missing much.
When we only had one kid it seemed so hard; Now if one of us is only taking
care of one child it seems like a piece of cake.
>>

Shannon - thanks for the hope! LOL

LisaSubj:  Re:computer help please
Date:  96-09-25 09:29:32 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

<<<Please advise:  I don't know how to format a disk for my IBM compatible so
I
can save something on it.>>>

Singer ... Go to the C: prompt in DOS. (If you have Windows, youÆll have to
exit out of it back to the C: prompt). Put the diskette in the disk drive.
Type FORMAT A: (assuming your disk drive is the A drive). Depending upon how
your system is set up, it should guide you from there.


   <<<<   Go to your file manager in windows at the top menu line go to disk
and then click on
              format disk. Change to prompt to a (or b what ever yours is)
and hit enter..thats all.
              good luck! :)Subj:  Re:computer help please
Date:  96-09-25 09:29:32 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

<<<Please advise:  I don't know how to format a disk for my IBM compatible so
I
can save something on it.>>>

Singer ... Go to the C: prompt in DOS. (If you have Windows, youÆll have to
exit out of it back to the C: prompt). Put the diskette in the disk drive.
Type FORMAT A: (assuming your disk drive is the A drive). Depending upon how
your system is set up, it should guide you from there.


   <<<<   Go to your file manager in windows at the top menu line go to disk
and then click on
              format disk. Change to prompt to a (or b what ever yours is)
and hit enter..thats all.
              good luck! :)Subj:  Re:computer help please
Date:  96-09-25 09:29:32 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

<<<Please advise:  I don't know how to format a disk for my IBM compatible so
I
can save something on it.>>>

Singer ... Go to the C: prompt in DOS. (If you have Windows, youÆll have to
exit out of it back to the C: prompt). Put the diskette in the disk drive.
Type FORMAT A: (assuming your disk drive is the A drive). Depending upon how
your system is set up, it should guide you from there.


   <<<<   Go to your file manager in windows at the top menu line go to disk
and then click on
              format disk. Change to prompt to a (or b what ever yours is)
and hit enter..thats all.
              good luck! :)Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 09:37:58 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

<<. C'mom Sillyone.. I know you have a couple neurons firing there..>>

And yours are obviously firing as hard as they can!

     But neurons either fire or they don't and always at the same
strength....  :)
          sorry working on notes for a psyc. exam!  :)Subj:
Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 09:37:58 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

<<. C'mom Sillyone.. I know you have a couple neurons firing there..>>

And yours are obviously firing as hard as they can!

     But neurons either fire or they don't and always at the same
strength....  :)
          sorry working on notes for a psyc. exam!  :)Subj:
Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 09:37:58 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

<<. C'mom Sillyone.. I know you have a couple neurons firing there..>>

And yours are obviously firing as hard as they can!

     But neurons either fire or they don't and always at the same
strength....  :)
          sorry working on notes for a psyc. exam!  :)Subj:
Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 09:37:58 edt
From:  CEICE
Posted on:  America Online

<<. C'mom Sillyone.. I know you have a couple neurons firing there..>>

And yours are obviously firing as hard as they can!

     But neurons either fire or they don't and always at the same
strength....  :)
          sorry working on notes for a psyc. exam!  :)Subj:  Ellen says she's
LEBANESE!
Date:  96-09-25 10:26:37 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

Not that anyone really cares!!!! But I just saw Ellen DeGeneres on The Rosie
O'Donnell show -- and she says that there's a rumour going around that she is
LEBANESE. She says this is probably because she likes hummus, and stuff. She
says that half of Hollywood, according to the tabloids, is also Lebanese.

I just thought it was rather funny, and slightly coincidental that I ran into
her, considering I never watch those shows (Though Rosie is my favorite of
them all if I had to choose!).

That's all!Subj:  Ellen says she's LEBANESE!
Date:  96-09-25 10:26:37 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

Not that anyone really cares!!!! But I just saw Ellen DeGeneres on The Rosie
O'Donnell show -- and she says that there's a rumour going around that she is
LEBANESE. She says this is probably because she likes hummus, and stuff. She
says that half of Hollywood, according to the tabloids, is also Lebanese.

I just thought it was rather funny, and slightly coincidental that I ran into
her, considering I never watch those shows (Though Rosie is my favorite of
them all if I had to choose!).

That's all!Subj:  Re:Ellen says she's LEBANESE
Date:  96-09-25 10:35:10 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

I saw it too....I was dying of laughter.

Acutally came on-line to post what I saw... but you beat meto it!!1Subj:
Re:Ellen says she's LEBANESE
Date:  96-09-25 10:35:10 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

I saw it too....I was dying of laughter.

Acutally came on-line to post what I saw... but you beat meto it!!1Subj:
Re:Ellen says she's LEBANESE
Date:  96-09-25 10:35:10 edt
From:  Jaynums
Posted on:  America Online

I saw it too....I was dying of laughter.

Acutally came on-line to post what I saw... but you beat meto it!!1Subj:
Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-25 10:41:30 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

That term bothers me to no end too. My husband works late night after night
after night. He also works alot of weekends. A couple of weekends ago, a
bunch of friends and I decided to get together -- we hadn't seen each other
in a few years. We decided to make it an all-night affair.

So, my husband had to be a single father, if you will, for one whole evening
and the following morning. That's great, he has no problem with it, we don't
begrudge each other time away from the family. The problem, or the irritant
for me anyways, was with his family. The day after I'd gone out, we were over
at his parents house for dinner. His parents went on about it, his brother
and sister went on about it -- it made me first roll my eyes, then start to
get mad, then glare at them with venom steaming from my eyes. The comments?

Do you know how lucky you are? Most MEN would never **let** their wives do
that. (SIL comment)

I am so proud of him. I must have done something right in raising him. (MIL
comment)

I think it's great that Pete **lets** you do things like that. Do you do them
often? Does he ever get to go out with his friends? (BIL comment)

I can't imagine what it is you would be doing that you would need to leave
your family for an entire night. (FIL comment) .... Your just lucky your
husband understands women of the '90s, cause I sure don't. (More FIL
comments)

Now, the evening that I was gone, my husband was over at his parents house,
with all the above adults. I don't think he even saw his kids -- my MIL would
have done everything -- feeding, putting on PJ's -- whatever. He took them
home and put them to bed, and the following morning, returned to his parents.
Give me a break. Now, my husband thought it was funny -- and was elbowing me
the whole time they were saying all that -- "You're just DYING to tell them
off, aren't you, but you know in some small way that they're right..." and
egging me on. Very amusing.

I've had the conversation with them all that my husband doesn't babysit his
own children. Then his brother says "Well, he spends time with his kids
because he wants to. That's unique."

What kind of family did my husband come from? Where praise is lavished for
loving and enjoying your children? UUUUUUGH.Subj:  Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-25 10:41:30 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

That term bothers me to no end too. My husband works late night after night
after night. He also works alot of weekends. A couple of weekends ago, a
bunch of friends and I decided to get together -- we hadn't seen each other
in a few years. We decided to make it an all-night affair.

So, my husband had to be a single father, if you will, for one whole evening
and the following morning. That's great, he has no problem with it, we don't
begrudge each other time away from the family. The problem, or the irritant
for me anyways, was with his family. The day after I'd gone out, we were over
at his parents house for dinner. His parents went on about it, his brother
and sister went on about it -- it made me first roll my eyes, then start to
get mad, then glare at them with venom steaming from my eyes. The comments?

Do you know how lucky you are? Most MEN would never **let** their wives do
that. (SIL comment)

I am so proud of him. I must have done something right in raising him. (MIL
comment)

I think it's great that Pete **lets** you do things like that. Do you do them
often? Does he ever get to go out with his friends? (BIL comment)

I can't imagine what it is you would be doing that you would need to leave
your family for an entire night. (FIL comment) .... Your just lucky your
husband understands women of the '90s, cause I sure don't. (More FIL
comments)

Now, the evening that I was gone, my husband was over at his parents house,
with all the above adults. I don't think he even saw his kids -- my MIL would
have done everything -- feeding, putting on PJ's -- whatever. He took them
home and put them to bed, and the following morning, returned to his parents.
Give me a break. Now, my husband thought it was funny -- and was elbowing me
the whole time they were saying all that -- "You're just DYING to tell them
off, aren't you, but you know in some small way that they're right..." and
egging me on. Very amusing.

I've had the conversation with them all that my husband doesn't babysit his
own children. Then his brother says "Well, he spends time with his kids
because he wants to. That's unique."

What kind of family did my husband come from? Where praise is lavished for
loving and enjoying your children? UUUUUUGH.Subj:  Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-25 10:41:30 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

That term bothers me to no end too. My husband works late night after night
after night. He also works alot of weekends. A couple of weekends ago, a
bunch of friends and I decided to get together -- we hadn't seen each other
in a few years. We decided to make it an all-night affair.

So, my husband had to be a single father, if you will, for one whole evening
and the following morning. That's great, he has no problem with it, we don't
begrudge each other time away from the family. The problem, or the irritant
for me anyways, was with his family. The day after I'd gone out, we were over
at his parents house for dinner. His parents went on about it, his brother
and sister went on about it -- it made me first roll my eyes, then start to
get mad, then glare at them with venom steaming from my eyes. The comments?

Do you know how lucky you are? Most MEN would never **let** their wives do
that. (SIL comment)

I am so proud of him. I must have done something right in raising him. (MIL
comment)

I think it's great that Pete **lets** you do things like that. Do you do them
often? Does he ever get to go out with his friends? (BIL comment)

I can't imagine what it is you would be doing that you would need to leave
your family for an entire night. (FIL comment) .... Your just lucky your
husband understands women of the '90s, cause I sure don't. (More FIL
comments)

Now, the evening that I was gone, my husband was over at his parents house,
with all the above adults. I don't think he even saw his kids -- my MIL would
have done everything -- feeding, putting on PJ's -- whatever. He took them
home and put them to bed, and the following morning, returned to his parents.
Give me a break. Now, my husband thought it was funny -- and was elbowing me
the whole time they were saying all that -- "You're just DYING to tell them
off, aren't you, but you know in some small way that they're right..." and
egging me on. Very amusing.

I've had the conversation with them all that my husband doesn't babysit his
own children. Then his brother says "Well, he spends time with his kids
because he wants to. That's unique."

What kind of family did my husband come from? Where praise is lavished for
loving and enjoying your children? UUUUUUGH.Subj:  Its so Silly ;)
Date:  96-09-25 10:42:40 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

After careful consideration of your condescending remarks...and why you
needed to make this a personal thing I looked up something that may be
beneficial to you... here's a web-site to check out... have fun...
http://www.fred.net/gary/sesh.html
If you need instructions on how to use that URL thingy.. I'd be glad to
e-mail them to you..  LOL..  have fun Silly ...

Note to others : Silly and I have *spoken* and this is all in good fun..
::::::::rolling eyes..crossing fingers..looking for grain of salt:::::::::::

;)
Subj:  Its so Silly ;)
Date:  96-09-25 10:42:40 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

After careful consideration of your condescending remarks...and why you
needed to make this a personal thing I looked up something that may be
beneficial to you... here's a web-site to check out... have fun...
http://www.fred.net/gary/sesh.html
If you need instructions on how to use that URL thingy.. I'd be glad to
e-mail them to you..  LOL..  have fun Silly ...

Note to others : Silly and I have *spoken* and this is all in good fun..
::::::::rolling eyes..crossing fingers..looking for grain of salt:::::::::::

;)
Subj:  Its so Silly ;)
Date:  96-09-25 10:42:40 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

After careful consideration of your condescending remarks...and why you
needed to make this a personal thing I looked up something that may be
beneficial to you... here's a web-site to check out... have fun...
http://www.fred.net/gary/sesh.html
If you need instructions on how to use that URL thingy.. I'd be glad to
e-mail them to you..  LOL..  have fun Silly ...

Note to others : Silly and I have *spoken* and this is all in good fun..
::::::::rolling eyes..crossing fingers..looking for grain of salt:::::::::::

;)
Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 10:48:43 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

In regards to the Native American issue -- I have a few comments. My BIL is
Indian. I say Indian because I was taught (in school, I guess) that they were
Indians. I've asked him, born and raised in the city of Albuquerque, if this
offends him. He doesn't have much in the way of an opinion about it. So I
thought, he doesn't have a chip on his shoulder. Okay. Good. Then one day my
husband says to him "Hey Chief, you want to go ....." and my SIL (my
husband's sister) freaks out, and starts ranting and raving at my husband,
telling him that he has just insulted her husband beyond reason.

My husband has used this term before -- not necessarily to Jim (BIL) but to
the kids, whatever. It's not meant as an insult. But apparently calling
someone a Chief (and they're not) is an enormous insult. My husband
apologized to him -- and he said that he'd prefer he not do it again. My poor
husband was mortified! Here's this guy getting mad at him from a simple
comment.

I thought it was ridiculous.Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 10:48:43 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

In regards to the Native American issue -- I have a few comments. My BIL is
Indian. I say Indian because I was taught (in school, I guess) that they were
Indians. I've asked him, born and raised in the city of Albuquerque, if this
offends him. He doesn't have much in the way of an opinion about it. So I
thought, he doesn't have a chip on his shoulder. Okay. Good. Then one day my
husband says to him "Hey Chief, you want to go ....." and my SIL (my
husband's sister) freaks out, and starts ranting and raving at my husband,
telling him that he has just insulted her husband beyond reason.

My husband has used this term before -- not necessarily to Jim (BIL) but to
the kids, whatever. It's not meant as an insult. But apparently calling
someone a Chief (and they're not) is an enormous insult. My husband
apologized to him -- and he said that he'd prefer he not do it again. My poor
husband was mortified! Here's this guy getting mad at him from a simple
comment.

I thought it was ridiculous.Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 10:48:43 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

In regards to the Native American issue -- I have a few comments. My BIL is
Indian. I say Indian because I was taught (in school, I guess) that they were
Indians. I've asked him, born and raised in the city of Albuquerque, if this
offends him. He doesn't have much in the way of an opinion about it. So I
thought, he doesn't have a chip on his shoulder. Okay. Good. Then one day my
husband says to him "Hey Chief, you want to go ....." and my SIL (my
husband's sister) freaks out, and starts ranting and raving at my husband,
telling him that he has just insulted her husband beyond reason.

My husband has used this term before -- not necessarily to Jim (BIL) but to
the kids, whatever. It's not meant as an insult. But apparently calling
someone a Chief (and they're not) is an enormous insult. My husband
apologized to him -- and he said that he'd prefer he not do it again. My poor
husband was mortified! Here's this guy getting mad at him from a simple
comment.

I thought it was ridiculous.Subj:  Re:Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-25 10:53:59 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Well, as far as I can remember, sex ed. was only taught by health teachers in
my HS.  I didn't have sex until I was 18, nearly 19 and out of HS.  Of
course, I wish I had listened better to the birth control thing; if I had, i
wouldn't have had an abortion when I was 20.  then again, i wouldn't bew
having this baby in 2 weeks either and I wouldn't have a wonderful DH.  I
think teenagers are going to have sex whether or not they are taught
abstinence.  I had friends who had sex when they were 13!!!  And I had
friends who have still not had sex at age 22 (not that many, though).  Kids
will have sex no matter what you teach them; no matter if you show them how
to put a condom on a banana or not.
Kay
10/9
PS- I remember when my dad, who worked for APLA, called me for advice on
educating kids on condom use.  I was 17 and SOOOO embarrassed!!!  Subj:
Re:Sex education in schools
Date:  96-09-25 10:53:59 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Well, as far as I can remember, sex ed. was only taught by health teachers in
my HS.  I didn't have sex until I was 18, nearly 19 and out of HS.  Of
course, I wish I had listened better to the birth control thing; if I had, i
wouldn't have had an abortion when I was 20.  then again, i wouldn't bew
having this baby in 2 weeks either and I wouldn't have a wonderful DH.  I
think teenagers are going to have sex whether or not they are taught
abstinence.  I had friends who had sex when they were 13!!!  And I had
friends who have still not had sex at age 22 (not that many, though).  Kids
will have sex no matter what you teach them; no matter if you show them how
to put a condom on a banana or not.
Kay
10/9
PS- I remember when my dad, who worked for APLA, called me for advice on
educating kids on condom use.  I was 17 and SOOOO embarrassed!!!  Subj:
Re:Dh spoils me
Date:  96-09-25 10:57:40 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks, Shari!

Katie  : )Subj:  Re:Dh spoils me
Date:  96-09-25 10:57:40 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks, Shari!

Katie  : )Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 11:09:16 edt
From:  DeraAgain
Posted on:  America Online

I'm with you Kerry - someone decides to show us how stupid and circular some
of the arguments in here have been, and the 2 nonstop arguers can't stand
it!!!  I hope they get some senses of humor for the upcoming holidays

Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 11:09:16 edt
From:  DeraAgain
Posted on:  America Online

I'm with you Kerry - someone decides to show us how stupid and circular some
of the arguments in here have been, and the 2 nonstop arguers can't stand
it!!!  I hope they get some senses of humor for the upcoming holidays

Subj:  Re:MOs newletter
Date:  96-09-25 11:13:56 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

What the heck are you talking about?

LynnSubj:  Re:MOs newletter
Date:  96-09-25 11:13:56 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

What the heck are you talking about?

LynnSubj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 11:15:00 edt
From:  TxTwisterr
Posted on:  America Online

<< I hope they get some senses of humor for the upcoming holidays>>

Hmmm, at WalMart?? Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 11:15:00 edt
From:  TxTwisterr
Posted on:  America Online

<< I hope they get some senses of humor for the upcoming holidays>>

Hmmm, at WalMart?? Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 11:15:28 edt
From:  DeraAgain
Posted on:  America Online

Doesn't it seem odd to you that you cannot expect anyones posts unless it
uses the wording that you yourself would use or have already scripted out?
Relax Silly -Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 11:15:28 edt
From:  DeraAgain
Posted on:  America Online

Doesn't it seem odd to you that you cannot expect anyones posts unless it
uses the wording that you yourself would use or have already scripted out?
Relax Silly -Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-25 11:54:32 edt
From:  SunnyDazy
Posted on:  America Online

<<Hey, maybe we are twins!!  Towels NEED to be put away, as well as the baby
clothes...besides baby clothes are so fun to fold and look at, they are so
little!  Everything else just happens to linger in the laundry basket until
used.....oops.

And by the way my son does have a light saber....you can get Luke's
lightsaber at toy stores now!!!  Use the force!>>

I said to DH the other night I wanted to try to fold & put away some of the
laundry...his response..."Why?"

:::heading on over to Toys R Us::::::

Sunny...or is it BaxterWeb?  <grin>Subj:  Re:Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-25 12:01:20 edt
From:  SunnyDazy
Posted on:  America Online

<<Incidentally, I *never* use the changing tables provided in public
restrooms.  I find that most often they are dirty, have dried "stuff" on them
(feces, vomit, who knows what), smell bad and are usually in difficult
locations to use.  My solution?>>

Hmm...everytime I've actually FOUND a bathroom that actually HAS a changing
table, it has been very clean!  I always put down a changing pad first & then
a blanket over top of that, but have never come across what you are saying
here.

I have to agree that it is annoying when a place (esp. family-type) doesn't
have any place at all in the bathroom to change a baby in!  I was in a
shopping village in Lahaska, PA, where there's a shopping area...too many
people with strollers to count...and we ate a a restaraunt there (again, LOTS
of strollers) and went up to the bathroom to change my son...NO table...all
that was there was this really long old bench (the type with the bars on the
back) and it was barely wide enough for him to lie down on (he was only 5
weeks old, too!) and his arms kept getting stuck in between the bars...in my
concern that his hands kept getting stuck he managed to pee all over himself
& I had to then COMPLETELY change him (thank goodness I had an extra onsie
with me!) which was no easy feat!

I think it should be required by law to have at least a small counter area in
every woman's room, should a baby happen to need to be changed.  We shouldn't
have to worry about our kids rolling off old benches onto dirty floors!!!

SunnySubj:  Re:Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-25 12:01:20 edt
From:  SunnyDazy
Posted on:  America Online

<<Incidentally, I *never* use the changing tables provided in public
restrooms.  I find that most often they are dirty, have dried "stuff" on them
(feces, vomit, who knows what), smell bad and are usually in difficult
locations to use.  My solution?>>

Hmm...everytime I've actually FOUND a bathroom that actually HAS a changing
table, it has been very clean!  I always put down a changing pad first & then
a blanket over top of that, but have never come across what you are saying
here.

I have to agree that it is annoying when a place (esp. family-type) doesn't
have any place at all in the bathroom to change a baby in!  I was in a
shopping village in Lahaska, PA, where there's a shopping area...too many
people with strollers to count...and we ate a a restaraunt there (again, LOTS
of strollers) and went up to the bathroom to change my son...NO table...all
that was there was this really long old bench (the type with the bars on the
back) and it was barely wide enough for him to lie down on (he was only 5
weeks old, too!) and his arms kept getting stuck in between the bars...in my
concern that his hands kept getting stuck he managed to pee all over himself
& I had to then COMPLETELY change him (thank goodness I had an extra onsie
with me!) which was no easy feat!

I think it should be required by law to have at least a small counter area in
every woman's room, should a baby happen to need to be changed.  We shouldn't
have to worry about our kids rolling off old benches onto dirty floors!!!

SunnySubj:  Re:Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-25 12:29:21 edt
From:  SymsMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<I think it should be required by law to have at least a small counter area
in every woman's room, should a baby happen to need to be changed. >>

And in the MEN'S room, too - mommies aren't the only ones changing diapers!

angela :-)Subj:  Re:Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-25 12:29:21 edt
From:  SymsMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<I think it should be required by law to have at least a small counter area
in every woman's room, should a baby happen to need to be changed. >>

And in the MEN'S room, too - mommies aren't the only ones changing diapers!

angela :-)Subj:  Re: Unfriendly Neighbors
Date:  96-09-25 12:44:37 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

I think if you want to get to know your neighbors, the easiest thing to do is
go knock on the door and say, "Hi, my name is so and so and I just moved into
the house next door/across the street/behind you.  I wanted to come say hello
so I'd know your name if we're out walking the dog/baby or in the yard."
Then have an open house so all your old friends can see your new house and
all your new neighbors can come over and meet you and later gossip about how
you've decorated your breakfast nook.  If you aren't willing to take the
initiative, you may never meet your neighbors.  This is what we did when we
moved into our neighborhood, and I know many people who I could call on day
or night if I had an emergency or even a minor crisis.  Subj:  Re: Unfriendly
Neighbors
Date:  96-09-25 12:44:37 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

I think if you want to get to know your neighbors, the easiest thing to do is
go knock on the door and say, "Hi, my name is so and so and I just moved into
the house next door/across the street/behind you.  I wanted to come say hello
so I'd know your name if we're out walking the dog/baby or in the yard."
Then have an open house so all your old friends can see your new house and
all your new neighbors can come over and meet you and later gossip about how
you've decorated your breakfast nook.  If you aren't willing to take the
initiative, you may never meet your neighbors.  This is what we did when we
moved into our neighborhood, and I know many people who I could call on day
or night if I had an emergency or even a minor crisis.  Subj:  Neurons
Date:  96-09-25 12:46:23 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<    But neurons either fire or they don't and always at the same
strength....  :)
          sorry working on notes for a psyc. exam!  :)<<

Sorry, me too!! page 53 Intro to psyc. eighth addition.

All or nothing principle- This is what a neuron operates on.  Meaning, if it
fires, it fires as hard as it can!  It may not be the same strength but it is
as hard as it can. :)Subj:  Neurons
Date:  96-09-25 12:46:23 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<    But neurons either fire or they don't and always at the same
strength....  :)
          sorry working on notes for a psyc. exam!  :)<<

Sorry, me too!! page 53 Intro to psyc. eighth addition.

All or nothing principle- This is what a neuron operates on.  Meaning, if it
fires, it fires as hard as it can!  It may not be the same strength but it is
as hard as it can. :)Subj:  Re:computer help please
Date:  96-09-25 12:47:07 edt
From:  SingerLA
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks for trying!Subj:  Re:computer help please
Date:  96-09-25 12:47:07 edt
From:  SingerLA
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks for trying!Subj:  Re:SillyOne:Fewthoughts/babs
Date:  96-09-25 12:48:17 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

What are you talking about??!!!  You said people that didn't think the post
was funny were missing the humor part of their brains-but you were just
pointing out to them what she meant?  so If I box your ears, it's only
because I didn't think you were listening?!! gimme a break.  I SAW the humor
in it, I understood the post-I still thought you were being insulting-I think
those naked gun movies are the height of stupidity and are totally
un-funny-but I do understand it-just don't think it's funny-I certainly would
never rag on someone who thought they were funny.

KerrySubj:  Re:SillyOne:Fewthoughts/babs
Date:  96-09-25 12:48:17 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

What are you talking about??!!!  You said people that didn't think the post
was funny were missing the humor part of their brains-but you were just
pointing out to them what she meant?  so If I box your ears, it's only
because I didn't think you were listening?!! gimme a break.  I SAW the humor
in it, I understood the post-I still thought you were being insulting-I think
those naked gun movies are the height of stupidity and are totally
un-funny-but I do understand it-just don't think it's funny-I certainly would
never rag on someone who thought they were funny.

KerrySubj:  Re:SillyOne:Fewthoughts/babs
Date:  96-09-25 12:48:17 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

What are you talking about??!!!  You said people that didn't think the post
was funny were missing the humor part of their brains-but you were just
pointing out to them what she meant?  so If I box your ears, it's only
because I didn't think you were listening?!! gimme a break.  I SAW the humor
in it, I understood the post-I still thought you were being insulting-I think
those naked gun movies are the height of stupidity and are totally
un-funny-but I do understand it-just don't think it's funny-I certainly would
never rag on someone who thought they were funny.

KerrySubj:  Re:MOs newletter
Date:  96-09-25 12:48:52 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>>What the heck are you talking about?>>

Lynn, didn't you subscribe to the Mom's Online newsletter yet?

Order yours today! :)Subj:  Re:MOs newletter
Date:  96-09-25 12:48:52 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>>What the heck are you talking about?>>

Lynn, didn't you subscribe to the Mom's Online newsletter yet?

Order yours today! :)Subj:  Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-25 12:48:59 edt
From:  SuZChick
Posted on:  America Online

I've got another instance for ya.  My husband and I both work full-time (I do
12-hr shifts 3 days a week and he is Mon-Fri) and my son stays with my mom on
the days I work.  The other days, I have Tyler all to myself and haven't
quite gotten this organization thing down yet.  I have a hard time keeping up
with the housework on a consistent basis.  One night in particular, dh had
Tyler by himself for *2 hours* until I got home.  I walked in and the place
was a wreck.  Dh looked like he had been run over a train and Tyler look
positively pooped.  Dh said, "Tyler was so wild tonight!  He really wore me
out.  You just don't know!"  As I picked my jaw up off of the floor and my
eyes slowly went back into my head, he said sheepishly, "Oh, that's right.  I
guess you do."  Oh, how I love that man!!Subj:  Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-25 12:48:59 edt
From:  SuZChick
Posted on:  America Online

I've got another instance for ya.  My husband and I both work full-time (I do
12-hr shifts 3 days a week and he is Mon-Fri) and my son stays with my mom on
the days I work.  The other days, I have Tyler all to myself and haven't
quite gotten this organization thing down yet.  I have a hard time keeping up
with the housework on a consistent basis.  One night in particular, dh had
Tyler by himself for *2 hours* until I got home.  I walked in and the place
was a wreck.  Dh looked like he had been run over a train and Tyler look
positively pooped.  Dh said, "Tyler was so wild tonight!  He really wore me
out.  You just don't know!"  As I picked my jaw up off of the floor and my
eyes slowly went back into my head, he said sheepishly, "Oh, that's right.  I
guess you do."  Oh, how I love that man!!Subj:  Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-25 12:48:59 edt
From:  SuZChick
Posted on:  America Online

I've got another instance for ya.  My husband and I both work full-time (I do
12-hr shifts 3 days a week and he is Mon-Fri) and my son stays with my mom on
the days I work.  The other days, I have Tyler all to myself and haven't
quite gotten this organization thing down yet.  I have a hard time keeping up
with the housework on a consistent basis.  One night in particular, dh had
Tyler by himself for *2 hours* until I got home.  I walked in and the place
was a wreck.  Dh looked like he had been run over a train and Tyler look
positively pooped.  Dh said, "Tyler was so wild tonight!  He really wore me
out.  You just don't know!"  As I picked my jaw up off of the floor and my
eyes slowly went back into my head, he said sheepishly, "Oh, that's right.  I
guess you do."  Oh, how I love that man!!Subj:  Re:Ellen says she's LEBANESE
Date:  96-09-25 12:50:36 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Of course today I was out running errands for 2 hours and missed Rosie.  I
usually have her on in the kitchen so when I pop in there to make lunch or
something I can catch some of her show.  She really makes me laugh out loud -
good humor in the morning hours, how unusual!  I would have loved to see
Ellen come out of the Lebanese closet!

LisaSubj:  Re:Ellen says she's LEBANESE
Date:  96-09-25 12:50:36 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Of course today I was out running errands for 2 hours and missed Rosie.  I
usually have her on in the kitchen so when I pop in there to make lunch or
something I can catch some of her show.  She really makes me laugh out loud -
good humor in the morning hours, how unusual!  I would have loved to see
Ellen come out of the Lebanese closet!

LisaSubj:  Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-25 12:52:17 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Oh, Hapeli - I sympathize!  I've had to bite my tongue over the years with
dh's family - even if I do say what I'm thinking it's misunderstood.  Ugh!

LisaSubj:  Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-25 12:52:17 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Oh, Hapeli - I sympathize!  I've had to bite my tongue over the years with
dh's family - even if I do say what I'm thinking it's misunderstood.  Ugh!

LisaSubj:  Re:Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-25 12:56:17 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

When I was visiting dh at his office with the 2 kids and the baby was about 6
mo she had, of course, an explsoive diaper.  There I was in the bathroom
trying to change her between the sinks with the mess getting just everywhere.
Who walks in but the boss's wife (who works there p/t) - I kinda of felt
embarrassed 'cause I just didn't feel very together at that moment!  But she
laughed my embarrassment off, she has 3 kids and has BTDT.  I still can't get
the image of both of us trying to wipe poop off my daughter and the sink!

LisaSubj:  Re:Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-25 12:56:17 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

When I was visiting dh at his office with the 2 kids and the baby was about 6
mo she had, of course, an explsoive diaper.  There I was in the bathroom
trying to change her between the sinks with the mess getting just everywhere.
Who walks in but the boss's wife (who works there p/t) - I kinda of felt
embarrassed 'cause I just didn't feel very together at that moment!  But she
laughed my embarrassment off, she has 3 kids and has BTDT.  I still can't get
the image of both of us trying to wipe poop off my daughter and the sink!

LisaSubj:  Re:Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-25 12:56:17 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

When I was visiting dh at his office with the 2 kids and the baby was about 6
mo she had, of course, an explsoive diaper.  There I was in the bathroom
trying to change her between the sinks with the mess getting just everywhere.
Who walks in but the boss's wife (who works there p/t) - I kinda of felt
embarrassed 'cause I just didn't feel very together at that moment!  But she
laughed my embarrassment off, she has 3 kids and has BTDT.  I still can't get
the image of both of us trying to wipe poop off my daughter and the sink!

LisaSubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-25 12:57:12 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<(P.S.  Despite a deep resistance I have had, I am really starting to like
you!!  :) >>

Deep resistance??? To liking ME??? How can that be?

:)

LynnSubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-25 12:57:12 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<(P.S.  Despite a deep resistance I have had, I am really starting to like
you!!  :) >>

Deep resistance??? To liking ME??? How can that be?

:)

LynnSubj:  Re: Dirty DishesLUV
Date:  96-09-25 12:57:12 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<(P.S.  Despite a deep resistance I have had, I am really starting to like
you!!  :) >>

Deep resistance??? To liking ME??? How can that be?

:)

LynnSubj:  Re:SillyOne:Fewthoughts/babs
Date:  96-09-25 13:11:16 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>>I still thought you were being insulting-I think those naked gun movies
are the height of stupidity and are totally un-funny-but I do understand
it-just don't think it's funny-I certainly would never rag on someone who
thought they were funny.<<<

The problem is, is that Sillyone apparently didn't "get it".  Otherwise, she
wouldn't be insinuating
that Her2pisuoff's post was an insult and verbal attack on native americans.
She made it
sound like Her's post was made with vicious intent, and it wasn't.  It was
meant with humor.
I'm glad YOU get it, but the post was really meant for those who found it
without humor
based on the fact that they didn't quite "get it".

Babs

Subj:  Re:SillyOne:Fewthoughts/babs
Date:  96-09-25 13:11:16 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>>I still thought you were being insulting-I think those naked gun movies
are the height of stupidity and are totally un-funny-but I do understand
it-just don't think it's funny-I certainly would never rag on someone who
thought they were funny.<<<

The problem is, is that Sillyone apparently didn't "get it".  Otherwise, she
wouldn't be insinuating
that Her2pisuoff's post was an insult and verbal attack on native americans.
She made it
sound like Her's post was made with vicious intent, and it wasn't.  It was
meant with humor.
I'm glad YOU get it, but the post was really meant for those who found it
without humor
based on the fact that they didn't quite "get it".

Babs

Subj:  Re:SillyOne:Fewthoughts/babs
Date:  96-09-25 13:11:16 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>>I still thought you were being insulting-I think those naked gun movies
are the height of stupidity and are totally un-funny-but I do understand
it-just don't think it's funny-I certainly would never rag on someone who
thought they were funny.<<<

The problem is, is that Sillyone apparently didn't "get it".  Otherwise, she
wouldn't be insinuating
that Her2pisuoff's post was an insult and verbal attack on native americans.
She made it
sound like Her's post was made with vicious intent, and it wasn't.  It was
meant with humor.
I'm glad YOU get it, but the post was really meant for those who found it
without humor
based on the fact that they didn't quite "get it".

Babs

Subj:  Re:SillyOne:Fewthoughts/babs
Date:  96-09-25 13:11:16 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>>I still thought you were being insulting-I think those naked gun movies
are the height of stupidity and are totally un-funny-but I do understand
it-just don't think it's funny-I certainly would never rag on someone who
thought they were funny.<<<

The problem is, is that Sillyone apparently didn't "get it".  Otherwise, she
wouldn't be insinuating
that Her2pisuoff's post was an insult and verbal attack on native americans.
She made it
sound like Her's post was made with vicious intent, and it wasn't.  It was
meant with humor.
I'm glad YOU get it, but the post was really meant for those who found it
without humor
based on the fact that they didn't quite "get it".

Babs

Subj:  Re:SillyOne:Fewthoughts/babs
Date:  96-09-25 13:35:08 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Kerry, I LIKE those Naked Gun movies! (Huge <g>).

Thanks for pointing out that someone can "get" something and yet not find it
ROFL funny.

RuthSubj:  Re:SillyOne:Fewthoughts/babs
Date:  96-09-25 13:35:08 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Kerry, I LIKE those Naked Gun movies! (Huge <g>).

Thanks for pointing out that someone can "get" something and yet not find it
ROFL funny.

RuthSubj:  Re:SillyOne:Fewthoughts/babs
Date:  96-09-25 13:35:08 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Kerry, I LIKE those Naked Gun movies! (Huge <g>).

Thanks for pointing out that someone can "get" something and yet not find it
ROFL funny.

RuthSubj:  Re:SillyOne:Fewthoughts/babs
Date:  96-09-25 13:35:08 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Kerry, I LIKE those Naked Gun movies! (Huge <g>).

Thanks for pointing out that someone can "get" something and yet not find it
ROFL funny.

RuthSubj:  Re:Ellen says she's LEBANESE
Date:  96-09-25 13:36:03 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

She said the same thing last night on Letterman ... want to bet where her
show ends up in the ratings this week?

RuthSubj:  Re:Ellen says she's LEBANESE
Date:  96-09-25 13:36:03 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

She said the same thing last night on Letterman ... want to bet where her
show ends up in the ratings this week?

RuthSubj:  Re:Ellen says she's LEBANESE
Date:  96-09-25 13:36:03 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

She said the same thing last night on Letterman ... want to bet where her
show ends up in the ratings this week?

RuthSubj:  Re:Ellen says she's LEBANESE
Date:  96-09-25 13:36:03 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

She said the same thing last night on Letterman ... want to bet where her
show ends up in the ratings this week?

RuthSubj:  Re:Ellen says she's LEBANESE
Date:  96-09-25 13:36:03 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

She said the same thing last night on Letterman ... want to bet where her
show ends up in the ratings this week?

RuthSubj:  Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-25 13:45:57 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< "Well, he spends time with his kids because he wants to. That's unique."<<

I am hoping your brother in law has no children now and possibly never!!Subj:
Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-25 13:45:57 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< "Well, he spends time with his kids because he wants to. That's unique."<<

I am hoping your brother in law has no children now and possibly never!!Subj:
Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-25 13:45:57 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< "Well, he spends time with his kids because he wants to. That's unique."<<

I am hoping your brother in law has no children now and possibly never!!Subj:
Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-25 13:45:57 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< "Well, he spends time with his kids because he wants to. That's unique."<<

I am hoping your brother in law has no children now and possibly never!!Subj:
Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-25 13:45:57 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< "Well, he spends time with his kids because he wants to. That's unique."<<

I am hoping your brother in law has no children now and possibly never!!Subj:
Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-25 13:45:57 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< "Well, he spends time with his kids because he wants to. That's unique."<<

I am hoping your brother in law has no children now and possibly never!!Subj:
Who works the hardest
Date:  96-09-25 13:50:05 edt
From:  Chowmane
Posted on:  America Online

I finally have to jump in, regarding Luv2BeaMom and *discussing* with her
husband who has the hardest job.  First of all would you  by any chance be my
SIL? My MIL used the same cookbook,Kill your Family with Cholesterol, they
have both had either heart bypass or just a good artery cleaning job. Her
home is spotless and her sons don't show alot of physical affection because
they were too busy working to be the loving, attentive parents (they were
dirt poor so I can't be disgusted by that, the sons are both wonderful men)
Anyway, we have 2 children 14/boy and 16/girl. My dh couldn't understand my
not keeping the house, laundry, dishes done plus raising the children, I was
always *on duty*, and "of course HE worked so much harder than me. Sure his
job was laborous too but he had a regular schedule. Mine went until whenever.
I did all the chauffeuring, volunteering at school, making the rules,
enforcing the rules, listening to heartbreak but I sure am more content with
myself. I couldn't face myself if I wasn't a mom first. I all but quit
cooking with all the complaining from the children about the menu, now he
doesn't say a thing. He finally realizes what I do and have done. My daughter
is a wonderful helper with the laundry, son does some too. They take turns
with housework and I work part time *cleaning other peoples houses*. Can you
believe it:)!!! Anyway, as the children get older, I enjoy them more and
more. They are fun, their friends like me and like to come to our home, even
tho it isn't always/ever picked up, usually fairly clean tho and I sponsor
the cheerleaders and drive to games, chaperone dances etc. I don't know what
I'll do when they move out. DH is now a foreman, more cerebral than brawny
work but he is still worn out by the end of the day. Oh well, this is my
lifeSubj:  Who works the hardest
Date:  96-09-25 13:50:05 edt
From:  Chowmane
Posted on:  America Online

I finally have to jump in, regarding Luv2BeaMom and *discussing* with her
husband who has the hardest job.  First of all would you  by any chance be my
SIL? My MIL used the same cookbook,Kill your Family with Cholesterol, they
have both had either heart bypass or just a good artery cleaning job. Her
home is spotless and her sons don't show alot of physical affection because
they were too busy working to be the loving, attentive parents (they were
dirt poor so I can't be disgusted by that, the sons are both wonderful men)
Anyway, we have 2 children 14/boy and 16/girl. My dh couldn't understand my
not keeping the house, laundry, dishes done plus raising the children, I was
always *on duty*, and "of course HE worked so much harder than me. Sure his
job was laborous too but he had a regular schedule. Mine went until whenever.
I did all the chauffeuring, volunteering at school, making the rules,
enforcing the rules, listening to heartbreak but I sure am more content with
myself. I couldn't face myself if I wasn't a mom first. I all but quit
cooking with all the complaining from the children about the menu, now he
doesn't say a thing. He finally realizes what I do and have done. My daughter
is a wonderful helper with the laundry, son does some too. They take turns
with housework and I work part time *cleaning other peoples houses*. Can you
believe it:)!!! Anyway, as the children get older, I enjoy them more and
more. They are fun, their friends like me and like to come to our home, even
tho it isn't always/ever picked up, usually fairly clean tho and I sponsor
the cheerleaders and drive to games, chaperone dances etc. I don't know what
I'll do when they move out. DH is now a foreman, more cerebral than brawny
work but he is still worn out by the end of the day. Oh well, this is my
lifeSubj:  Who works the hardest
Date:  96-09-25 13:50:05 edt
From:  Chowmane
Posted on:  America Online

I finally have to jump in, regarding Luv2BeaMom and *discussing* with her
husband who has the hardest job.  First of all would you  by any chance be my
SIL? My MIL used the same cookbook,Kill your Family with Cholesterol, they
have both had either heart bypass or just a good artery cleaning job. Her
home is spotless and her sons don't show alot of physical affection because
they were too busy working to be the loving, attentive parents (they were
dirt poor so I can't be disgusted by that, the sons are both wonderful men)
Anyway, we have 2 children 14/boy and 16/girl. My dh couldn't understand my
not keeping the house, laundry, dishes done plus raising the children, I was
always *on duty*, and "of course HE worked so much harder than me. Sure his
job was laborous too but he had a regular schedule. Mine went until whenever.
I did all the chauffeuring, volunteering at school, making the rules,
enforcing the rules, listening to heartbreak but I sure am more content with
myself. I couldn't face myself if I wasn't a mom first. I all but quit
cooking with all the complaining from the children about the menu, now he
doesn't say a thing. He finally realizes what I do and have done. My daughter
is a wonderful helper with the laundry, son does some too. They take turns
with housework and I work part time *cleaning other peoples houses*. Can you
believe it:)!!! Anyway, as the children get older, I enjoy them more and
more. They are fun, their friends like me and like to come to our home, even
tho it isn't always/ever picked up, usually fairly clean tho and I sponsor
the cheerleaders and drive to games, chaperone dances etc. I don't know what
I'll do when they move out. DH is now a foreman, more cerebral than brawny
work but he is still worn out by the end of the day. Oh well, this is my
lifeSubj:  Who works the hardest
Date:  96-09-25 13:50:05 edt
From:  Chowmane
Posted on:  America Online

I finally have to jump in, regarding Luv2BeaMom and *discussing* with her
husband who has the hardest job.  First of all would you  by any chance be my
SIL? My MIL used the same cookbook,Kill your Family with Cholesterol, they
have both had either heart bypass or just a good artery cleaning job. Her
home is spotless and her sons don't show alot of physical affection because
they were too busy working to be the loving, attentive parents (they were
dirt poor so I can't be disgusted by that, the sons are both wonderful men)
Anyway, we have 2 children 14/boy and 16/girl. My dh couldn't understand my
not keeping the house, laundry, dishes done plus raising the children, I was
always *on duty*, and "of course HE worked so much harder than me. Sure his
job was laborous too but he had a regular schedule. Mine went until whenever.
I did all the chauffeuring, volunteering at school, making the rules,
enforcing the rules, listening to heartbreak but I sure am more content with
myself. I couldn't face myself if I wasn't a mom first. I all but quit
cooking with all the complaining from the children about the menu, now he
doesn't say a thing. He finally realizes what I do and have done. My daughter
is a wonderful helper with the laundry, son does some too. They take turns
with housework and I work part time *cleaning other peoples houses*. Can you
believe it:)!!! Anyway, as the children get older, I enjoy them more and
more. They are fun, their friends like me and like to come to our home, even
tho it isn't always/ever picked up, usually fairly clean tho and I sponsor
the cheerleaders and drive to games, chaperone dances etc. I don't know what
I'll do when they move out. DH is now a foreman, more cerebral than brawny
work but he is still worn out by the end of the day. Oh well, this is my
lifeSubj:  Who works the hardest
Date:  96-09-25 13:50:05 edt
From:  Chowmane
Posted on:  America Online

I finally have to jump in, regarding Luv2BeaMom and *discussing* with her
husband who has the hardest job.  First of all would you  by any chance be my
SIL? My MIL used the same cookbook,Kill your Family with Cholesterol, they
have both had either heart bypass or just a good artery cleaning job. Her
home is spotless and her sons don't show alot of physical affection because
they were too busy working to be the loving, attentive parents (they were
dirt poor so I can't be disgusted by that, the sons are both wonderful men)
Anyway, we have 2 children 14/boy and 16/girl. My dh couldn't understand my
not keeping the house, laundry, dishes done plus raising the children, I was
always *on duty*, and "of course HE worked so much harder than me. Sure his
job was laborous too but he had a regular schedule. Mine went until whenever.
I did all the chauffeuring, volunteering at school, making the rules,
enforcing the rules, listening to heartbreak but I sure am more content with
myself. I couldn't face myself if I wasn't a mom first. I all but quit
cooking with all the complaining from the children about the menu, now he
doesn't say a thing. He finally realizes what I do and have done. My daughter
is a wonderful helper with the laundry, son does some too. They take turns
with housework and I work part time *cleaning other peoples houses*. Can you
believe it:)!!! Anyway, as the children get older, I enjoy them more and
more. They are fun, their friends like me and like to come to our home, even
tho it isn't always/ever picked up, usually fairly clean tho and I sponsor
the cheerleaders and drive to games, chaperone dances etc. I don't know what
I'll do when they move out. DH is now a foreman, more cerebral than brawny
work but he is still worn out by the end of the day. Oh well, this is my
lifeSubj:  Who works the hardest
Date:  96-09-25 13:50:05 edt
From:  Chowmane
Posted on:  America Online

I finally have to jump in, regarding Luv2BeaMom and *discussing* with her
husband who has the hardest job.  First of all would you  by any chance be my
SIL? My MIL used the same cookbook,Kill your Family with Cholesterol, they
have both had either heart bypass or just a good artery cleaning job. Her
home is spotless and her sons don't show alot of physical affection because
they were too busy working to be the loving, attentive parents (they were
dirt poor so I can't be disgusted by that, the sons are both wonderful men)
Anyway, we have 2 children 14/boy and 16/girl. My dh couldn't understand my
not keeping the house, laundry, dishes done plus raising the children, I was
always *on duty*, and "of course HE worked so much harder than me. Sure his
job was laborous too but he had a regular schedule. Mine went until whenever.
I did all the chauffeuring, volunteering at school, making the rules,
enforcing the rules, listening to heartbreak but I sure am more content with
myself. I couldn't face myself if I wasn't a mom first. I all but quit
cooking with all the complaining from the children about the menu, now he
doesn't say a thing. He finally realizes what I do and have done. My daughter
is a wonderful helper with the laundry, son does some too. They take turns
with housework and I work part time *cleaning other peoples houses*. Can you
believe it:)!!! Anyway, as the children get older, I enjoy them more and
more. They are fun, their friends like me and like to come to our home, even
tho it isn't always/ever picked up, usually fairly clean tho and I sponsor
the cheerleaders and drive to games, chaperone dances etc. I don't know what
I'll do when they move out. DH is now a foreman, more cerebral than brawny
work but he is still worn out by the end of the day. Oh well, this is my
lifeSubj:  Who works the hardest
Date:  96-09-25 13:50:05 edt
From:  Chowmane
Posted on:  America Online

I finally have to jump in, regarding Luv2BeaMom and *discussing* with her
husband who has the hardest job.  First of all would you  by any chance be my
SIL? My MIL used the same cookbook,Kill your Family with Cholesterol, they
have both had either heart bypass or just a good artery cleaning job. Her
home is spotless and her sons don't show alot of physical affection because
they were too busy working to be the loving, attentive parents (they were
dirt poor so I can't be disgusted by that, the sons are both wonderful men)
Anyway, we have 2 children 14/boy and 16/girl. My dh couldn't understand my
not keeping the house, laundry, dishes done plus raising the children, I was
always *on duty*, and "of course HE worked so much harder than me. Sure his
job was laborous too but he had a regular schedule. Mine went until whenever.
I did all the chauffeuring, volunteering at school, making the rules,
enforcing the rules, listening to heartbreak but I sure am more content with
myself. I couldn't face myself if I wasn't a mom first. I all but quit
cooking with all the complaining from the children about the menu, now he
doesn't say a thing. He finally realizes what I do and have done. My daughter
is a wonderful helper with the laundry, son does some too. They take turns
with housework and I work part time *cleaning other peoples houses*. Can you
believe it:)!!! Anyway, as the children get older, I enjoy them more and
more. They are fun, their friends like me and like to come to our home, even
tho it isn't always/ever picked up, usually fairly clean tho and I sponsor
the cheerleaders and drive to games, chaperone dances etc. I don't know what
I'll do when they move out. DH is now a foreman, more cerebral than brawny
work but he is still worn out by the end of the day. Oh well, this is my
lifeSubj:  Re: hiding ???
Date:  96-09-25 14:18:07 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

 why is it so many of us are so scared of opposing idea's ? Oh and by the
way.. yes I have kids.. no I dont beat them..my dishes are almost always 1/2
way to the cupboard...I couldnt care less if Ellen is gay or not......and yes
I wash my hands.. especially after going to Walmart...  ;-p>>>

Well said!  :)         BTW the only reason Id be scared is if someone took it
as literal truth!    There are people out there like that, and one should be
scared!  VERY SCARED!!!!Subj:  Re: hiding ???
Date:  96-09-25 14:18:07 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

 why is it so many of us are so scared of opposing idea's ? Oh and by the
way.. yes I have kids.. no I dont beat them..my dishes are almost always 1/2
way to the cupboard...I couldnt care less if Ellen is gay or not......and yes
I wash my hands.. especially after going to Walmart...  ;-p>>>

Well said!  :)         BTW the only reason Id be scared is if someone took it
as literal truth!    There are people out there like that, and one should be
scared!  VERY SCARED!!!!Subj:  Re: hiding ???
Date:  96-09-25 14:18:07 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

 why is it so many of us are so scared of opposing idea's ? Oh and by the
way.. yes I have kids.. no I dont beat them..my dishes are almost always 1/2
way to the cupboard...I couldnt care less if Ellen is gay or not......and yes
I wash my hands.. especially after going to Walmart...  ;-p>>>

Well said!  :)         BTW the only reason Id be scared is if someone took it
as literal truth!    There are people out there like that, and one should be
scared!  VERY SCARED!!!!Subj:  Re: hiding ???
Date:  96-09-25 14:18:07 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

 why is it so many of us are so scared of opposing idea's ? Oh and by the
way.. yes I have kids.. no I dont beat them..my dishes are almost always 1/2
way to the cupboard...I couldnt care less if Ellen is gay or not......and yes
I wash my hands.. especially after going to Walmart...  ;-p>>>

Well said!  :)         BTW the only reason Id be scared is if someone took it
as literal truth!    There are people out there like that, and one should be
scared!  VERY SCARED!!!!Subj:  Re: hiding ???
Date:  96-09-25 14:18:07 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

 why is it so many of us are so scared of opposing idea's ? Oh and by the
way.. yes I have kids.. no I dont beat them..my dishes are almost always 1/2
way to the cupboard...I couldnt care less if Ellen is gay or not......and yes
I wash my hands.. especially after going to Walmart...  ;-p>>>

Well said!  :)         BTW the only reason Id be scared is if someone took it
as literal truth!    There are people out there like that, and one should be
scared!  VERY SCARED!!!!Subj:  Re: hiding ???
Date:  96-09-25 14:18:07 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

 why is it so many of us are so scared of opposing idea's ? Oh and by the
way.. yes I have kids.. no I dont beat them..my dishes are almost always 1/2
way to the cupboard...I couldnt care less if Ellen is gay or not......and yes
I wash my hands.. especially after going to Walmart...  ;-p>>>

Well said!  :)         BTW the only reason Id be scared is if someone took it
as literal truth!    There are people out there like that, and one should be
scared!  VERY SCARED!!!!Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 14:18:30 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<Not all people work in offices.  And *most* children, toddlers take naps so
yes, sahm's do get some time when things get *nuts*.>>

Yes, we do get "time" BUT not When things get nuts.  Usually, naptime for us
occurs about 2 hours After the point where I feel I need a break sometimes.
When I was working outside the home if I felt like I was going to scream, I
could go and close my office door right there or go to the bathroom for some
peace and quiet.  If I go to the bathroom for 5-10 minutes for peace and
quiet when I am home with my children, it's not quiet - they are banging on
the bathroom door for Mommy or they try to "kill" each other and then I have
to go mediate again.

Just my opinion, sometimes I would much rather be at an office.
Jenn  Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 14:18:30 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<Not all people work in offices.  And *most* children, toddlers take naps so
yes, sahm's do get some time when things get *nuts*.>>

Yes, we do get "time" BUT not When things get nuts.  Usually, naptime for us
occurs about 2 hours After the point where I feel I need a break sometimes.
When I was working outside the home if I felt like I was going to scream, I
could go and close my office door right there or go to the bathroom for some
peace and quiet.  If I go to the bathroom for 5-10 minutes for peace and
quiet when I am home with my children, it's not quiet - they are banging on
the bathroom door for Mommy or they try to "kill" each other and then I have
to go mediate again.

Just my opinion, sometimes I would much rather be at an office.
Jenn  Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 14:18:30 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<Not all people work in offices.  And *most* children, toddlers take naps so
yes, sahm's do get some time when things get *nuts*.>>

Yes, we do get "time" BUT not When things get nuts.  Usually, naptime for us
occurs about 2 hours After the point where I feel I need a break sometimes.
When I was working outside the home if I felt like I was going to scream, I
could go and close my office door right there or go to the bathroom for some
peace and quiet.  If I go to the bathroom for 5-10 minutes for peace and
quiet when I am home with my children, it's not quiet - they are banging on
the bathroom door for Mommy or they try to "kill" each other and then I have
to go mediate again.

Just my opinion, sometimes I would much rather be at an office.
Jenn  Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 14:18:30 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<Not all people work in offices.  And *most* children, toddlers take naps so
yes, sahm's do get some time when things get *nuts*.>>

Yes, we do get "time" BUT not When things get nuts.  Usually, naptime for us
occurs about 2 hours After the point where I feel I need a break sometimes.
When I was working outside the home if I felt like I was going to scream, I
could go and close my office door right there or go to the bathroom for some
peace and quiet.  If I go to the bathroom for 5-10 minutes for peace and
quiet when I am home with my children, it's not quiet - they are banging on
the bathroom door for Mommy or they try to "kill" each other and then I have
to go mediate again.

Just my opinion, sometimes I would much rather be at an office.
Jenn  Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 14:18:30 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<Not all people work in offices.  And *most* children, toddlers take naps so
yes, sahm's do get some time when things get *nuts*.>>

Yes, we do get "time" BUT not When things get nuts.  Usually, naptime for us
occurs about 2 hours After the point where I feel I need a break sometimes.
When I was working outside the home if I felt like I was going to scream, I
could go and close my office door right there or go to the bathroom for some
peace and quiet.  If I go to the bathroom for 5-10 minutes for peace and
quiet when I am home with my children, it's not quiet - they are banging on
the bathroom door for Mommy or they try to "kill" each other and then I have
to go mediate again.

Just my opinion, sometimes I would much rather be at an office.
Jenn  Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 14:18:30 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<Not all people work in offices.  And *most* children, toddlers take naps so
yes, sahm's do get some time when things get *nuts*.>>

Yes, we do get "time" BUT not When things get nuts.  Usually, naptime for us
occurs about 2 hours After the point where I feel I need a break sometimes.
When I was working outside the home if I felt like I was going to scream, I
could go and close my office door right there or go to the bathroom for some
peace and quiet.  If I go to the bathroom for 5-10 minutes for peace and
quiet when I am home with my children, it's not quiet - they are banging on
the bathroom door for Mommy or they try to "kill" each other and then I have
to go mediate again.

Just my opinion, sometimes I would much rather be at an office.
Jenn  Subj:  Re: work Luv
Date:  96-09-25 14:21:22 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hey there are so many thing we all have in common!   But isnt it fun to see
what ways we are different and why we feel that way.  If nothing else perhaps
to make us more sensitive to difference, maybe not so quick to judge??


Subj:  Re: work Luv
Date:  96-09-25 14:21:22 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hey there are so many thing we all have in common!   But isnt it fun to see
what ways we are different and why we feel that way.  If nothing else perhaps
to make us more sensitive to difference, maybe not so quick to judge??


Subj:  Re: work Luv
Date:  96-09-25 14:21:22 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hey there are so many thing we all have in common!   But isnt it fun to see
what ways we are different and why we feel that way.  If nothing else perhaps
to make us more sensitive to difference, maybe not so quick to judge??


Subj:  Re: work Luv
Date:  96-09-25 14:21:22 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hey there are so many thing we all have in common!   But isnt it fun to see
what ways we are different and why we feel that way.  If nothing else perhaps
to make us more sensitive to difference, maybe not so quick to judge??


Subj:  Re: work Luv
Date:  96-09-25 14:21:22 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hey there are so many thing we all have in common!   But isnt it fun to see
what ways we are different and why we feel that way.  If nothing else perhaps
to make us more sensitive to difference, maybe not so quick to judge??


Subj:  Re: work Luv
Date:  96-09-25 14:21:22 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hey there are so many thing we all have in common!   But isnt it fun to see
what ways we are different and why we feel that way.  If nothing else perhaps
to make us more sensitive to difference, maybe not so quick to judge??


Subj:  Re: work Luv
Date:  96-09-25 14:21:22 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hey there are so many thing we all have in common!   But isnt it fun to see
what ways we are different and why we feel that way.  If nothing else perhaps
to make us more sensitive to difference, maybe not so quick to judge??


Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 14:22:26 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

Please....what is a "raw" pop-tart????   They're already cooked and
everything when you get them out of the little silver thing ....I just open
em' up and put butter on it for me (or cream cheese with the strawberry
ones..yum) and the kids like them plain.Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 14:22:26 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

Please....what is a "raw" pop-tart????   They're already cooked and
everything when you get them out of the little silver thing ....I just open
em' up and put butter on it for me (or cream cheese with the strawberry
ones..yum) and the kids like them plain.Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 14:22:26 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

Please....what is a "raw" pop-tart????   They're already cooked and
everything when you get them out of the little silver thing ....I just open
em' up and put butter on it for me (or cream cheese with the strawberry
ones..yum) and the kids like them plain.Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 14:22:26 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

Please....what is a "raw" pop-tart????   They're already cooked and
everything when you get them out of the little silver thing ....I just open
em' up and put butter on it for me (or cream cheese with the strawberry
ones..yum) and the kids like them plain.Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 14:22:26 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

Please....what is a "raw" pop-tart????   They're already cooked and
everything when you get them out of the little silver thing ....I just open
em' up and put butter on it for me (or cream cheese with the strawberry
ones..yum) and the kids like them plain.Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-25 14:29:41 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

Good for you Kerry...and you're right it's amazing how brave one person can
be when he's got a bunch of others with them. I hope you're around if one of
my teens get into trouble, and nobody's around to stand up for them....Subj:
Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-25 14:29:41 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

Good for you Kerry...and you're right it's amazing how brave one person can
be when he's got a bunch of others with them. I hope you're around if one of
my teens get into trouble, and nobody's around to stand up for them....Subj:
Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-25 14:29:41 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

Good for you Kerry...and you're right it's amazing how brave one person can
be when he's got a bunch of others with them. I hope you're around if one of
my teens get into trouble, and nobody's around to stand up for them....Subj:
Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-25 14:29:41 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

Good for you Kerry...and you're right it's amazing how brave one person can
be when he's got a bunch of others with them. I hope you're around if one of
my teens get into trouble, and nobody's around to stand up for them....Subj:
Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 14:30:53 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

Silly I think you know how I feel about this one already!!   If all you want
to do is have a baby and you CAN"T WAIT to get back to work.....GET A DOG!!!!

I know I know...some moms HAVE to work to make ends meet....but what about
these ones that say "Oh after my 6 week leave I will be going back and the
baby will be in day care from 6-6 everyday!!"  You CANNOT tell me this is
good for the kids!!!   My daughters KG teacher just told me ask any KG
teacher and they can pick out the day care kids from the "others"..they are
wild aggressive....just plain undisciplined!!   I'm not talking about the
kids in preschool or nursery or pre-K...I mean ALL DAY day care.    What is
the point in having kids????

I too had to work...I worked the early morning shift at our Caldor (4-9 in
the am) just so I could be home with my kids all day.  It was the only
solution for us (my dh worked from 6pm-2am I got up at 230 when he came home
and was at work by 330) as I refused to leave my kids in day care.
Unfortunately his schedule changed, we moved to Fla and back so I had to quit
that job.....but I will do it again probably after this one starts sleeping
thru the night.     But I refuse to work 9-5 or whatever and leave raising my
children to someone else!!Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 14:30:53 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

Silly I think you know how I feel about this one already!!   If all you want
to do is have a baby and you CAN"T WAIT to get back to work.....GET A DOG!!!!

I know I know...some moms HAVE to work to make ends meet....but what about
these ones that say "Oh after my 6 week leave I will be going back and the
baby will be in day care from 6-6 everyday!!"  You CANNOT tell me this is
good for the kids!!!   My daughters KG teacher just told me ask any KG
teacher and they can pick out the day care kids from the "others"..they are
wild aggressive....just plain undisciplined!!   I'm not talking about the
kids in preschool or nursery or pre-K...I mean ALL DAY day care.    What is
the point in having kids????

I too had to work...I worked the early morning shift at our Caldor (4-9 in
the am) just so I could be home with my kids all day.  It was the only
solution for us (my dh worked from 6pm-2am I got up at 230 when he came home
and was at work by 330) as I refused to leave my kids in day care.
Unfortunately his schedule changed, we moved to Fla and back so I had to quit
that job.....but I will do it again probably after this one starts sleeping
thru the night.     But I refuse to work 9-5 or whatever and leave raising my
children to someone else!!Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 14:30:53 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

Silly I think you know how I feel about this one already!!   If all you want
to do is have a baby and you CAN"T WAIT to get back to work.....GET A DOG!!!!

I know I know...some moms HAVE to work to make ends meet....but what about
these ones that say "Oh after my 6 week leave I will be going back and the
baby will be in day care from 6-6 everyday!!"  You CANNOT tell me this is
good for the kids!!!   My daughters KG teacher just told me ask any KG
teacher and they can pick out the day care kids from the "others"..they are
wild aggressive....just plain undisciplined!!   I'm not talking about the
kids in preschool or nursery or pre-K...I mean ALL DAY day care.    What is
the point in having kids????

I too had to work...I worked the early morning shift at our Caldor (4-9 in
the am) just so I could be home with my kids all day.  It was the only
solution for us (my dh worked from 6pm-2am I got up at 230 when he came home
and was at work by 330) as I refused to leave my kids in day care.
Unfortunately his schedule changed, we moved to Fla and back so I had to quit
that job.....but I will do it again probably after this one starts sleeping
thru the night.     But I refuse to work 9-5 or whatever and leave raising my
children to someone else!!Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 14:31:09 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

 My poor husband was mortified! Here's this guy getting mad at him from a
simple comment. I thought it was ridiculous.>>

to make a dead horse real mad here!  If you say "hey boy" to a person of
black heritage you will be lucky if he only gets mad!   Or call him the'N'
word, see what that gets ya!!!    Or any of the racial slurs!  Yeah its
oversensitive, but if your child were to be called any of those names you
might feel different.  I find it much better to despise a person for who they
are rather then heritage or color!!  Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 14:31:09 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

 My poor husband was mortified! Here's this guy getting mad at him from a
simple comment. I thought it was ridiculous.>>

to make a dead horse real mad here!  If you say "hey boy" to a person of
black heritage you will be lucky if he only gets mad!   Or call him the'N'
word, see what that gets ya!!!    Or any of the racial slurs!  Yeah its
oversensitive, but if your child were to be called any of those names you
might feel different.  I find it much better to despise a person for who they
are rather then heritage or color!!  Subj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-25 14:34:51 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

I agree I get tired of it, but have you checked out an American History book
lately? The basics are barely brushed upon, the beginning of the Civil War,
Harriet Tubman, even the Holocaust is only given a paragraph. Which really
irritates me...I watched a documentary on high school students and what they
learn...when asked what the Holocaust was...they had no idea. It's so easy to
forget the bad things....and when we forget, they have the opportunity to be
repeated.Subj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-25 14:34:51 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

I agree I get tired of it, but have you checked out an American History book
lately? The basics are barely brushed upon, the beginning of the Civil War,
Harriet Tubman, even the Holocaust is only given a paragraph. Which really
irritates me...I watched a documentary on high school students and what they
learn...when asked what the Holocaust was...they had no idea. It's so easy to
forget the bad things....and when we forget, they have the opportunity to be
repeated.Subj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-25 14:34:51 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

I agree I get tired of it, but have you checked out an American History book
lately? The basics are barely brushed upon, the beginning of the Civil War,
Harriet Tubman, even the Holocaust is only given a paragraph. Which really
irritates me...I watched a documentary on high school students and what they
learn...when asked what the Holocaust was...they had no idea. It's so easy to
forget the bad things....and when we forget, they have the opportunity to be
repeated.Subj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-25 14:37:41 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

..and when we forget, they have the opportunity to be repeated.>>>

YEP!   :)Subj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-25 14:37:41 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

..and when we forget, they have the opportunity to be repeated.>>>

YEP!   :)Subj:  Re:SillyOne:Fewthoughts/babs
Date:  96-09-25 14:41:30 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks for pointing out that someone can "get" something and yet not find it
ROFL funny. >>>

I did say I understood the humor, doesnt mean because you understand
something that you have to like or agree with it!   I understand the concept
behind many forms of humor, I have heard many sick jokes, some I laugh at,
others are like a shiver up my spine!   Yeah I even tell a rauchy joke here
and there, ok mostly there!
There are things that arent funny~ jokes about abusing children make me ill!
I understand why someone would think its funny, better to laugh then cry
attitude, I just dont think its funny, more ironic which isnt funny its an
observation.

Subj:  Re:SillyOne:Fewthoughts/babs
Date:  96-09-25 14:41:30 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks for pointing out that someone can "get" something and yet not find it
ROFL funny. >>>

I did say I understood the humor, doesnt mean because you understand
something that you have to like or agree with it!   I understand the concept
behind many forms of humor, I have heard many sick jokes, some I laugh at,
others are like a shiver up my spine!   Yeah I even tell a rauchy joke here
and there, ok mostly there!
There are things that arent funny~ jokes about abusing children make me ill!
I understand why someone would think its funny, better to laugh then cry
attitude, I just dont think its funny, more ironic which isnt funny its an
observation.

Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 14:44:17 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<My daughters KG teacher just told me ask any KG teacher and they can pick
out the day care kids from the "others"..they are wild aggressive....just
plain undisciplined!! >>

This is an absurd generalization. My daughter is in daycare from 8:30 to 4:30
or 5:00, and she is learning a lot of discipline and cooperation. She is no
where near "wild and undisciplined". There are a few kids there that are
pretty unruly, but I sincerely doubt that that would be much different if
they were home with their mothers all day.

You should go to the "work or not" board- there is a woman there who is an
elementary school teacher and says she can absolutely NOT tell which kids
were in daycare, only those who are not loved.

LynnSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 14:44:17 edt
From:  KidsGamer
Posted on:  America Online

<<My daughters KG teacher just told me ask any KG teacher and they can pick
out the day care kids from the "others"..they are wild aggressive....just
plain undisciplined!! >>

This is an absurd generalization. My daughter is in daycare from 8:30 to 4:30
or 5:00, and she is learning a lot of discipline and cooperation. She is no
where near "wild and undisciplined". There are a few kids there that are
pretty unruly, but I sincerely doubt that that would be much different if
they were home with their mothers all day.

You should go to the "work or not" board- there is a woman there who is an
elementary school teacher and says she can absolutely NOT tell which kids
were in daycare, only those who are not loved.

LynnSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 14:45:43 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Oh, boy, there's a whole folder on this one already, but since it came up
here, I couldn't resist one comment ...

Yep, some moms have to work ... some moms want to work ... but isn't the
effect on children the same? An infant in child care doesn't know if her mom
"has" to work or "wants" to work. So if you feel that moms who just work
because they "want" to are hurting their kids, you must also believe that
moms who "have" to work are hurting their kids. This covers about 75 percent
of the moms in this country with children under school age.

RuthSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 14:45:43 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Oh, boy, there's a whole folder on this one already, but since it came up
here, I couldn't resist one comment ...

Yep, some moms have to work ... some moms want to work ... but isn't the
effect on children the same? An infant in child care doesn't know if her mom
"has" to work or "wants" to work. So if you feel that moms who just work
because they "want" to are hurting their kids, you must also believe that
moms who "have" to work are hurting their kids. This covers about 75 percent
of the moms in this country with children under school age.

RuthSubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-25 14:48:24 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Chemom, your "3 Stooges" post had me literally LOL! What else does your
husband obsess about?

RuthSubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-25 14:48:24 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Chemom, your "3 Stooges" post had me literally LOL! What else does your
husband obsess about?

RuthSubj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-25 14:52:27 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

I love it!!!! My daughter over slept this morning and missed the bus, I ended
up with one of those wonderful migraines, by the time I had her and the 2 yr
old shuffled out the door and into the van...I was praying for a bullet. I'd
forgotten that I had to check her in...and let's just say I wouldn't win any
beauty contests. So while I was out and really to the point I could have
cared less what I looked like, I picked up the mail, stopped at the store for
some cat food etc. When I got to school she looks at me and says you gotta
check me in...I said OH GREAT!! She looks at me with her angelic face and and
says "That's okay Mom, they've seen you look worse!!!" I cracked up....God
only knows when I looked worse?Subj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-25 14:52:27 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

I love it!!!! My daughter over slept this morning and missed the bus, I ended
up with one of those wonderful migraines, by the time I had her and the 2 yr
old shuffled out the door and into the van...I was praying for a bullet. I'd
forgotten that I had to check her in...and let's just say I wouldn't win any
beauty contests. So while I was out and really to the point I could have
cared less what I looked like, I picked up the mail, stopped at the store for
some cat food etc. When I got to school she looks at me and says you gotta
check me in...I said OH GREAT!! She looks at me with her angelic face and and
says "That's okay Mom, they've seen you look worse!!!" I cracked up....God
only knows when I looked worse?Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 14:52:49 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

About the pop tarts, I am glad I am not the only one.  Everytime I tell
someone I put my pop
tarts in the Toaster and then add butter they think I am crazy :▐  Even Dh
till this day
thinks I am nuts for doing this.  BTW - It isnt really a raw pop tart, its
just not toasted.  LOL

KellySubj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 14:52:49 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

About the pop tarts, I am glad I am not the only one.  Everytime I tell
someone I put my pop
tarts in the Toaster and then add butter they think I am crazy :▐  Even Dh
till this day
thinks I am nuts for doing this.  BTW - It isnt really a raw pop tart, its
just not toasted.  LOL

KellySubj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 14:53:23 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

if this is a control issue with you and you feel the need to "win"  ok..  you
win... feel better ? >>>
Fine I won!   Now where are my fabulous prizes?
  Perhaps a shopping spree at Walmart?  HMMMM?

<<Note to others : Silly and I have *spoken* and this is all in good fun..
::::::::rolling eyes..crossing fingers..looking for grain of
salt:::::::::::>>>
Yep talked to ya, and just because we dont agree on this doesnt mean
anything!  I think I made it clear!  I wouldnt like it if everyone thought
the same way!   Yeah cyber stalking!  thats cute!  you would find it amusing
to see the amount of stalking I do!  LOL
 Oh the self esteem page, cute, but my self esteem is ok, its the self image
with the prob!  :)

<<and the 2 nonstop arguers can't stand it!!!  I hope they get some senses of
humor for the upcoming holidays>>
wonder if it comes in my size??  Im not a nonstop arguer, I do sleep after
all!  :)

Im sure that if anyone wants to stand up for what they feel is a wrong, they
should all be counted out as an arguer!    <do you notice the dripping and
oozing of sarcasm there?>
[ps I tell my kids to stand behind what they say, and if someone doesnt
understand why they feel the way they do, inform them!!  Much better then
saying because I said so, well at least I think so!]Subj:
Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 14:53:23 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

if this is a control issue with you and you feel the need to "win"  ok..  you
win... feel better ? >>>
Fine I won!   Now where are my fabulous prizes?
  Perhaps a shopping spree at Walmart?  HMMMM?

<<Note to others : Silly and I have *spoken* and this is all in good fun..
::::::::rolling eyes..crossing fingers..looking for grain of
salt:::::::::::>>>
Yep talked to ya, and just because we dont agree on this doesnt mean
anything!  I think I made it clear!  I wouldnt like it if everyone thought
the same way!   Yeah cyber stalking!  thats cute!  you would find it amusing
to see the amount of stalking I do!  LOL
 Oh the self esteem page, cute, but my self esteem is ok, its the self image
with the prob!  :)

<<and the 2 nonstop arguers can't stand it!!!  I hope they get some senses of
humor for the upcoming holidays>>
wonder if it comes in my size??  Im not a nonstop arguer, I do sleep after
all!  :)

Im sure that if anyone wants to stand up for what they feel is a wrong, they
should all be counted out as an arguer!    <do you notice the dripping and
oozing of sarcasm there?>
[ps I tell my kids to stand behind what they say, and if someone doesnt
understand why they feel the way they do, inform them!!  Much better then
saying because I said so, well at least I think so!]Subj:
Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 14:53:23 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

if this is a control issue with you and you feel the need to "win"  ok..  you
win... feel better ? >>>
Fine I won!   Now where are my fabulous prizes?
  Perhaps a shopping spree at Walmart?  HMMMM?

<<Note to others : Silly and I have *spoken* and this is all in good fun..
::::::::rolling eyes..crossing fingers..looking for grain of
salt:::::::::::>>>
Yep talked to ya, and just because we dont agree on this doesnt mean
anything!  I think I made it clear!  I wouldnt like it if everyone thought
the same way!   Yeah cyber stalking!  thats cute!  you would find it amusing
to see the amount of stalking I do!  LOL
 Oh the self esteem page, cute, but my self esteem is ok, its the self image
with the prob!  :)

<<and the 2 nonstop arguers can't stand it!!!  I hope they get some senses of
humor for the upcoming holidays>>
wonder if it comes in my size??  Im not a nonstop arguer, I do sleep after
all!  :)

Im sure that if anyone wants to stand up for what they feel is a wrong, they
should all be counted out as an arguer!    <do you notice the dripping and
oozing of sarcasm there?>
[ps I tell my kids to stand behind what they say, and if someone doesnt
understand why they feel the way they do, inform them!!  Much better then
saying because I said so, well at least I think so!]Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 14:53:48 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<My daughters KG teacher just told me ask any KG teacher and they can pick
out the day care kids from the "others"..they are wild aggressive....just
plain undisciplined!! >>

Yeah...I have to agree that this is a wild generalization.  Frankly our son
started with a family daycare when he was about a year old p/t - 2 days a
week full time.  Well, his caretaker actually taught me how to discipline -
about timeouts, how not to let 'em get away with murder, etc.  She is strict,
not overly so, but the kids know what they can do and what they cannot do.
I'm home now with our 2 kids and have told Miss Margie that she helped me
start out with discipline with our oldest and hope to continue the same type
with our toddler.

LisaSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 14:53:48 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<My daughters KG teacher just told me ask any KG teacher and they can pick
out the day care kids from the "others"..they are wild aggressive....just
plain undisciplined!! >>

Yeah...I have to agree that this is a wild generalization.  Frankly our son
started with a family daycare when he was about a year old p/t - 2 days a
week full time.  Well, his caretaker actually taught me how to discipline -
about timeouts, how not to let 'em get away with murder, etc.  She is strict,
not overly so, but the kids know what they can do and what they cannot do.
I'm home now with our 2 kids and have told Miss Margie that she helped me
start out with discipline with our oldest and hope to continue the same type
with our toddler.

LisaSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 14:53:48 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<My daughters KG teacher just told me ask any KG teacher and they can pick
out the day care kids from the "others"..they are wild aggressive....just
plain undisciplined!! >>

Yeah...I have to agree that this is a wild generalization.  Frankly our son
started with a family daycare when he was about a year old p/t - 2 days a
week full time.  Well, his caretaker actually taught me how to discipline -
about timeouts, how not to let 'em get away with murder, etc.  She is strict,
not overly so, but the kids know what they can do and what they cannot do.
I'm home now with our 2 kids and have told Miss Margie that she helped me
start out with discipline with our oldest and hope to continue the same type
with our toddler.

LisaSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 14:53:48 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<My daughters KG teacher just told me ask any KG teacher and they can pick
out the day care kids from the "others"..they are wild aggressive....just
plain undisciplined!! >>

Yeah...I have to agree that this is a wild generalization.  Frankly our son
started with a family daycare when he was about a year old p/t - 2 days a
week full time.  Well, his caretaker actually taught me how to discipline -
about timeouts, how not to let 'em get away with murder, etc.  She is strict,
not overly so, but the kids know what they can do and what they cannot do.
I'm home now with our 2 kids and have told Miss Margie that she helped me
start out with discipline with our oldest and hope to continue the same type
with our toddler.

LisaSubj:  Re: work/subsidized daycare
Date:  96-09-25 14:56:30 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Yep, some moms have to work ... some moms want to work ... but isn't the
effect on children the same? An infant in child care doesn't know if her mom
"has" to work or "wants" to work. So if you feel that moms who just work
because they "want" to are hurting their kids, you must also believe that
moms who "have" to work are hurting their kids. This covers about 75 percent
of the moms in this country with children under school age.>>

Ruth, I never thought of it from that angle before.  So true.

There was a survey done in NJ that was being discussed on teh radio today -
supposedly 60% of those polled wanted the government to subsidize daycare,
EVEN if it meant higher taxes.  I frankly think our taxes are high enough,
thank you very much, and that folks should plan before having children on
what they are going to do to take care of 'em.  Even if it's both parents
working different shifts, so be it - taxes shouldn't be higher to pay for
people who don't plan well.  (and for those who have a surprise, it's still
possible to take care of your family w/o government assistance!)  What do you
all think?

LisaSubj:  Re: work/subsidized daycare
Date:  96-09-25 14:56:30 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Yep, some moms have to work ... some moms want to work ... but isn't the
effect on children the same? An infant in child care doesn't know if her mom
"has" to work or "wants" to work. So if you feel that moms who just work
because they "want" to are hurting their kids, you must also believe that
moms who "have" to work are hurting their kids. This covers about 75 percent
of the moms in this country with children under school age.>>

Ruth, I never thought of it from that angle before.  So true.

There was a survey done in NJ that was being discussed on teh radio today -
supposedly 60% of those polled wanted the government to subsidize daycare,
EVEN if it meant higher taxes.  I frankly think our taxes are high enough,
thank you very much, and that folks should plan before having children on
what they are going to do to take care of 'em.  Even if it's both parents
working different shifts, so be it - taxes shouldn't be higher to pay for
people who don't plan well.  (and for those who have a surprise, it's still
possible to take care of your family w/o government assistance!)  What do you
all think?

LisaSubj:  Re: work/subsidized daycare
Date:  96-09-25 14:56:30 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Yep, some moms have to work ... some moms want to work ... but isn't the
effect on children the same? An infant in child care doesn't know if her mom
"has" to work or "wants" to work. So if you feel that moms who just work
because they "want" to are hurting their kids, you must also believe that
moms who "have" to work are hurting their kids. This covers about 75 percent
of the moms in this country with children under school age.>>

Ruth, I never thought of it from that angle before.  So true.

There was a survey done in NJ that was being discussed on teh radio today -
supposedly 60% of those polled wanted the government to subsidize daycare,
EVEN if it meant higher taxes.  I frankly think our taxes are high enough,
thank you very much, and that folks should plan before having children on
what they are going to do to take care of 'em.  Even if it's both parents
working different shifts, so be it - taxes shouldn't be higher to pay for
people who don't plan well.  (and for those who have a surprise, it's still
possible to take care of your family w/o government assistance!)  What do you
all think?

LisaSubj:  Re: work/subsidized daycare
Date:  96-09-25 14:56:30 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Yep, some moms have to work ... some moms want to work ... but isn't the
effect on children the same? An infant in child care doesn't know if her mom
"has" to work or "wants" to work. So if you feel that moms who just work
because they "want" to are hurting their kids, you must also believe that
moms who "have" to work are hurting their kids. This covers about 75 percent
of the moms in this country with children under school age.>>

Ruth, I never thought of it from that angle before.  So true.

There was a survey done in NJ that was being discussed on teh radio today -
supposedly 60% of those polled wanted the government to subsidize daycare,
EVEN if it meant higher taxes.  I frankly think our taxes are high enough,
thank you very much, and that folks should plan before having children on
what they are going to do to take care of 'em.  Even if it's both parents
working different shifts, so be it - taxes shouldn't be higher to pay for
people who don't plan well.  (and for those who have a surprise, it's still
possible to take care of your family w/o government assistance!)  What do you
all think?

LisaSubj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 14:57:57 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Oh, man, I'm a butter nut!  (as my hips will attest :-()
Now you've all given me yet another thing to put butter on!  LOL

LisaSubj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 14:57:57 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Oh, man, I'm a butter nut!  (as my hips will attest :-()
Now you've all given me yet another thing to put butter on!  LOL

LisaSubj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 14:57:57 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Oh, man, I'm a butter nut!  (as my hips will attest :-()
Now you've all given me yet another thing to put butter on!  LOL

LisaSubj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 14:57:57 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

Oh, man, I'm a butter nut!  (as my hips will attest :-()
Now you've all given me yet another thing to put butter on!  LOL

LisaSubj:  Re:Ellen says she's LEBANESE
Date:  96-09-25 14:59:26 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

She used to say shes a 'friend of Dorothy'!   LOL   Get that one Bratty Brat?

probably not its an older expression, used to be the 'code' for
Lebanese!Subj:  Re:Ellen says she's LEBANESE
Date:  96-09-25 14:59:26 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

She used to say shes a 'friend of Dorothy'!   LOL   Get that one Bratty Brat?

probably not its an older expression, used to be the 'code' for
Lebanese!Subj:  Re:Ellen says she's LEBANESE
Date:  96-09-25 14:59:26 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

She used to say shes a 'friend of Dorothy'!   LOL   Get that one Bratty Brat?

probably not its an older expression, used to be the 'code' for
Lebanese!Subj:  Re:Ellen says she's LEBANESE
Date:  96-09-25 14:59:26 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

She used to say shes a 'friend of Dorothy'!   LOL   Get that one Bratty Brat?

probably not its an older expression, used to be the 'code' for
Lebanese!Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:00:57 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>>Silly I think you know how I feel about this one already!!   If all you
want to do is have a baby and you CAN"T WAIT to get back to work.....GET A
DOG!!!!

I know I know...some moms HAVE to work to make ends meet....but what about
these ones that say "Oh after my 6 week leave I will be going back and the
baby will be in day care from 6-6 everyday!!"  You CANNOT tell me this is
good for the kids!!!   My daughters KG teacher just told me ask any KG
teacher and they can pick out the day care kids from the "others"..they are
wild aggressive....just plain undisciplined!!   I'm not talking about the
kids in preschool or nursery or pre-K...I mean ALL DAY day care.    What is
the point in having kids????>>>

Take this one to the To Work or Not to Work Board.  C'mon I dare ya. No in
fact I double
dare ya!  To put in my .02 cents, out of 11 grandchildren on my husband's
side, my son
is the only one who goes to daycare.  He is also the best behaved of the lot.
You ask
him to do something and he will.  You ask him to put something back he will.
You ask
him to come he comes, you ask him to go he goes.   He just turned 2, and
definitely has
his terrible 2 temper tantrums, but he has the manners of an adult.  I would
be shocked
to hear that my son's KG teacher will be able to tell if he went to day care
or not.  I would
bet that if she does recognize that aspect of his life, it will be because of
how well
behaved and how focused he is.    Your statement (oh oh, here come's a
potential insult -
Kerry block your eyes) was the biggest generalization of a certain group of
children that I
have ever seen, and shows a huge amount of ignorance on your part.   Besides
the fact,
that there are various types of daycare. In home daycare, institutional
setting daycare, etc.
Can your child's KG teacher differentiate between those children?  C'mon I
dare ya.  Take
this over to the TWNTW board.  It's been a little quiet over there lately!

Babs
  Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:00:57 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>>Silly I think you know how I feel about this one already!!   If all you
want to do is have a baby and you CAN"T WAIT to get back to work.....GET A
DOG!!!!

I know I know...some moms HAVE to work to make ends meet....but what about
these ones that say "Oh after my 6 week leave I will be going back and the
baby will be in day care from 6-6 everyday!!"  You CANNOT tell me this is
good for the kids!!!   My daughters KG teacher just told me ask any KG
teacher and they can pick out the day care kids from the "others"..they are
wild aggressive....just plain undisciplined!!   I'm not talking about the
kids in preschool or nursery or pre-K...I mean ALL DAY day care.    What is
the point in having kids????>>>

Take this one to the To Work or Not to Work Board.  C'mon I dare ya. No in
fact I double
dare ya!  To put in my .02 cents, out of 11 grandchildren on my husband's
side, my son
is the only one who goes to daycare.  He is also the best behaved of the lot.
You ask
him to do something and he will.  You ask him to put something back he will.
You ask
him to come he comes, you ask him to go he goes.   He just turned 2, and
definitely has
his terrible 2 temper tantrums, but he has the manners of an adult.  I would
be shocked
to hear that my son's KG teacher will be able to tell if he went to day care
or not.  I would
bet that if she does recognize that aspect of his life, it will be because of
how well
behaved and how focused he is.    Your statement (oh oh, here come's a
potential insult -
Kerry block your eyes) was the biggest generalization of a certain group of
children that I
have ever seen, and shows a huge amount of ignorance on your part.   Besides
the fact,
that there are various types of daycare. In home daycare, institutional
setting daycare, etc.
Can your child's KG teacher differentiate between those children?  C'mon I
dare ya.  Take
this over to the TWNTW board.  It's been a little quiet over there lately!

Babs
  Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:00:57 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>>Silly I think you know how I feel about this one already!!   If all you
want to do is have a baby and you CAN"T WAIT to get back to work.....GET A
DOG!!!!

I know I know...some moms HAVE to work to make ends meet....but what about
these ones that say "Oh after my 6 week leave I will be going back and the
baby will be in day care from 6-6 everyday!!"  You CANNOT tell me this is
good for the kids!!!   My daughters KG teacher just told me ask any KG
teacher and they can pick out the day care kids from the "others"..they are
wild aggressive....just plain undisciplined!!   I'm not talking about the
kids in preschool or nursery or pre-K...I mean ALL DAY day care.    What is
the point in having kids????>>>

Take this one to the To Work or Not to Work Board.  C'mon I dare ya. No in
fact I double
dare ya!  To put in my .02 cents, out of 11 grandchildren on my husband's
side, my son
is the only one who goes to daycare.  He is also the best behaved of the lot.
You ask
him to do something and he will.  You ask him to put something back he will.
You ask
him to come he comes, you ask him to go he goes.   He just turned 2, and
definitely has
his terrible 2 temper tantrums, but he has the manners of an adult.  I would
be shocked
to hear that my son's KG teacher will be able to tell if he went to day care
or not.  I would
bet that if she does recognize that aspect of his life, it will be because of
how well
behaved and how focused he is.    Your statement (oh oh, here come's a
potential insult -
Kerry block your eyes) was the biggest generalization of a certain group of
children that I
have ever seen, and shows a huge amount of ignorance on your part.   Besides
the fact,
that there are various types of daycare. In home daycare, institutional
setting daycare, etc.
Can your child's KG teacher differentiate between those children?  C'mon I
dare ya.  Take
this over to the TWNTW board.  It's been a little quiet over there lately!

Babs
  Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:00:57 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>>Silly I think you know how I feel about this one already!!   If all you
want to do is have a baby and you CAN"T WAIT to get back to work.....GET A
DOG!!!!

I know I know...some moms HAVE to work to make ends meet....but what about
these ones that say "Oh after my 6 week leave I will be going back and the
baby will be in day care from 6-6 everyday!!"  You CANNOT tell me this is
good for the kids!!!   My daughters KG teacher just told me ask any KG
teacher and they can pick out the day care kids from the "others"..they are
wild aggressive....just plain undisciplined!!   I'm not talking about the
kids in preschool or nursery or pre-K...I mean ALL DAY day care.    What is
the point in having kids????>>>

Take this one to the To Work or Not to Work Board.  C'mon I dare ya. No in
fact I double
dare ya!  To put in my .02 cents, out of 11 grandchildren on my husband's
side, my son
is the only one who goes to daycare.  He is also the best behaved of the lot.
You ask
him to do something and he will.  You ask him to put something back he will.
You ask
him to come he comes, you ask him to go he goes.   He just turned 2, and
definitely has
his terrible 2 temper tantrums, but he has the manners of an adult.  I would
be shocked
to hear that my son's KG teacher will be able to tell if he went to day care
or not.  I would
bet that if she does recognize that aspect of his life, it will be because of
how well
behaved and how focused he is.    Your statement (oh oh, here come's a
potential insult -
Kerry block your eyes) was the biggest generalization of a certain group of
children that I
have ever seen, and shows a huge amount of ignorance on your part.   Besides
the fact,
that there are various types of daycare. In home daycare, institutional
setting daycare, etc.
Can your child's KG teacher differentiate between those children?  C'mon I
dare ya.  Take
this over to the TWNTW board.  It's been a little quiet over there lately!

Babs
  Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-25 15:06:41 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

We moved into our house 11/2 years ago.
I went and introduced myself to everyone.  There are 10 houses in this
subdivision.
My good excuse was Alex! ( he's my Australian Shepherd ) Alex jumped the back
yard fence.  We bough a chain, he almost strangled himself.  So we let him
lose.  We Took Alex to evey house and met everyone.  Alex knows all the
neighbors, their kids, cars and pets.  He is the security dog of  LAKE VIEW!

Maybe have a BBQ or something to go to your neighbors and start a
conversation.  Some will always be nicer than others. I have one neighbor who
still calls my house the " Wheeles Home".Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-25 15:06:41 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

We moved into our house 11/2 years ago.
I went and introduced myself to everyone.  There are 10 houses in this
subdivision.
My good excuse was Alex! ( he's my Australian Shepherd ) Alex jumped the back
yard fence.  We bough a chain, he almost strangled himself.  So we let him
lose.  We Took Alex to evey house and met everyone.  Alex knows all the
neighbors, their kids, cars and pets.  He is the security dog of  LAKE VIEW!

Maybe have a BBQ or something to go to your neighbors and start a
conversation.  Some will always be nicer than others. I have one neighbor who
still calls my house the " Wheeles Home".Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-25 15:06:41 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

We moved into our house 11/2 years ago.
I went and introduced myself to everyone.  There are 10 houses in this
subdivision.
My good excuse was Alex! ( he's my Australian Shepherd ) Alex jumped the back
yard fence.  We bough a chain, he almost strangled himself.  So we let him
lose.  We Took Alex to evey house and met everyone.  Alex knows all the
neighbors, their kids, cars and pets.  He is the security dog of  LAKE VIEW!

Maybe have a BBQ or something to go to your neighbors and start a
conversation.  Some will always be nicer than others. I have one neighbor who
still calls my house the " Wheeles Home".Subj:  Re:What would you do?
Date:  96-09-25 15:06:41 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

We moved into our house 11/2 years ago.
I went and introduced myself to everyone.  There are 10 houses in this
subdivision.
My good excuse was Alex! ( he's my Australian Shepherd ) Alex jumped the back
yard fence.  We bough a chain, he almost strangled himself.  So we let him
lose.  We Took Alex to evey house and met everyone.  Alex knows all the
neighbors, their kids, cars and pets.  He is the security dog of  LAKE VIEW!

Maybe have a BBQ or something to go to your neighbors and start a
conversation.  Some will always be nicer than others. I have one neighbor who
still calls my house the " Wheeles Home".Subj:  Re:divorce
Date:  96-09-25 15:07:44 edt
From:  CuppaT
Posted on:  America Online

Re: being long-married w/o arguing. This is the honest truth, we have been
married for 11 years, and the only time we ever argue is in the car! (And
usually only on long drives). Don't know why, it just happens. The rest of
the time we typically see eye to eye and when we don't we still respect on
another's opinions! Call it weird, but that's the way it is for us!
PollySubj:  Re:divorce
Date:  96-09-25 15:07:44 edt
From:  CuppaT
Posted on:  America Online

Re: being long-married w/o arguing. This is the honest truth, we have been
married for 11 years, and the only time we ever argue is in the car! (And
usually only on long drives). Don't know why, it just happens. The rest of
the time we typically see eye to eye and when we don't we still respect on
another's opinions! Call it weird, but that's the way it is for us!
PollySubj:  Re:divorce
Date:  96-09-25 15:07:44 edt
From:  CuppaT
Posted on:  America Online

Re: being long-married w/o arguing. This is the honest truth, we have been
married for 11 years, and the only time we ever argue is in the car! (And
usually only on long drives). Don't know why, it just happens. The rest of
the time we typically see eye to eye and when we don't we still respect on
another's opinions! Call it weird, but that's the way it is for us!
PollySubj:  Re:divorce
Date:  96-09-25 15:07:44 edt
From:  CuppaT
Posted on:  America Online

Re: being long-married w/o arguing. This is the honest truth, we have been
married for 11 years, and the only time we ever argue is in the car! (And
usually only on long drives). Don't know why, it just happens. The rest of
the time we typically see eye to eye and when we don't we still respect on
another's opinions! Call it weird, but that's the way it is for us!
PollySubj:  Re:divorce
Date:  96-09-25 15:07:44 edt
From:  CuppaT
Posted on:  America Online

Re: being long-married w/o arguing. This is the honest truth, we have been
married for 11 years, and the only time we ever argue is in the car! (And
usually only on long drives). Don't know why, it just happens. The rest of
the time we typically see eye to eye and when we don't we still respect on
another's opinions! Call it weird, but that's the way it is for us!
PollySubj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 15:08:20 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

would you have thought it as ridiculous if he'd been black and your husband
had said "Hey BOY, wanna go with me?"Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 15:08:20 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

would you have thought it as ridiculous if he'd been black and your husband
had said "Hey BOY, wanna go with me?"Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 15:08:20 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

would you have thought it as ridiculous if he'd been black and your husband
had said "Hey BOY, wanna go with me?"Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 15:08:20 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

would you have thought it as ridiculous if he'd been black and your husband
had said "Hey BOY, wanna go with me?"Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 15:08:20 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

would you have thought it as ridiculous if he'd been black and your husband
had said "Hey BOY, wanna go with me?"Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:08:38 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

That is an odd thing for a proffesional person to be saying, they can tell?!
thats like people that can tell when a woman had an epideral to give birth by
looking at the baby!  DUH!!
Hey parents that abuse their children, are stay at home and go to work!  Just
show your kids you love them, plain and simple!!
My son might seem like a working mom syndrome because he is very difficult,
he has a LD and no impulse control.   I dont think that makes me a bad mom,
me not letting him eat ice cream before diner, now that makes me a bad mom!
[well according to him]
Yep my son is a major pain in the rear!  I know it, I let the teachers know I
know it!  They know that I will come to school at anytime, or call!  Lucky so
far his teachers are familliar with his disorders and realize its not his
fault either!   Unless you live in a persons shoes, you have no idea what is
going on!Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:08:38 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

That is an odd thing for a proffesional person to be saying, they can tell?!
thats like people that can tell when a woman had an epideral to give birth by
looking at the baby!  DUH!!
Hey parents that abuse their children, are stay at home and go to work!  Just
show your kids you love them, plain and simple!!
My son might seem like a working mom syndrome because he is very difficult,
he has a LD and no impulse control.   I dont think that makes me a bad mom,
me not letting him eat ice cream before diner, now that makes me a bad mom!
[well according to him]
Yep my son is a major pain in the rear!  I know it, I let the teachers know I
know it!  They know that I will come to school at anytime, or call!  Lucky so
far his teachers are familliar with his disorders and realize its not his
fault either!   Unless you live in a persons shoes, you have no idea what is
going on!Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:08:38 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

That is an odd thing for a proffesional person to be saying, they can tell?!
thats like people that can tell when a woman had an epideral to give birth by
looking at the baby!  DUH!!
Hey parents that abuse their children, are stay at home and go to work!  Just
show your kids you love them, plain and simple!!
My son might seem like a working mom syndrome because he is very difficult,
he has a LD and no impulse control.   I dont think that makes me a bad mom,
me not letting him eat ice cream before diner, now that makes me a bad mom!
[well according to him]
Yep my son is a major pain in the rear!  I know it, I let the teachers know I
know it!  They know that I will come to school at anytime, or call!  Lucky so
far his teachers are familliar with his disorders and realize its not his
fault either!   Unless you live in a persons shoes, you have no idea what is
going on!Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:08:38 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

That is an odd thing for a proffesional person to be saying, they can tell?!
thats like people that can tell when a woman had an epideral to give birth by
looking at the baby!  DUH!!
Hey parents that abuse their children, are stay at home and go to work!  Just
show your kids you love them, plain and simple!!
My son might seem like a working mom syndrome because he is very difficult,
he has a LD and no impulse control.   I dont think that makes me a bad mom,
me not letting him eat ice cream before diner, now that makes me a bad mom!
[well according to him]
Yep my son is a major pain in the rear!  I know it, I let the teachers know I
know it!  They know that I will come to school at anytime, or call!  Lucky so
far his teachers are familliar with his disorders and realize its not his
fault either!   Unless you live in a persons shoes, you have no idea what is
going on!Subj:  Re:thoughts/Native American
Date:  96-09-25 15:10:04 edt
From:  CuppaT
Posted on:  America Online

Frankly I thought she really was just trying to be humorous---there has been
an awful lot of venom expressed here re: the subjects she touched on and
perhaps this was a way to defuse some of the electricity?Subj:
Re:thoughts/Native American
Date:  96-09-25 15:10:04 edt
From:  CuppaT
Posted on:  America Online

Frankly I thought she really was just trying to be humorous---there has been
an awful lot of venom expressed here re: the subjects she touched on and
perhaps this was a way to defuse some of the electricity?Subj:  Re:I'm Living
in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 15:10:49 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Butter on pop tarts?     my DH puts butter on his oatmeal, then I found out a
bunch of people do that!                Wow a new folder idea    1001 uses
for butter!

Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 15:10:49 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Butter on pop tarts?     my DH puts butter on his oatmeal, then I found out a
bunch of people do that!                Wow a new folder idea    1001 uses
for butter!

Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 15:10:49 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Butter on pop tarts?     my DH puts butter on his oatmeal, then I found out a
bunch of people do that!                Wow a new folder idea    1001 uses
for butter!

Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 15:10:49 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Butter on pop tarts?     my DH puts butter on his oatmeal, then I found out a
bunch of people do that!                Wow a new folder idea    1001 uses
for butter!

Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:14:34 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Take this one to the To Work or Not to Work Board.  C'mon I dare ya. No in
fact I double dare ya! >>

That board fills up fast too, I dont want to miss anything or anyone here!
:)Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:14:34 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Take this one to the To Work or Not to Work Board.  C'mon I dare ya. No in
fact I double dare ya! >>

That board fills up fast too, I dont want to miss anything or anyone here!
:)Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:14:34 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Take this one to the To Work or Not to Work Board.  C'mon I dare ya. No in
fact I double dare ya! >>

That board fills up fast too, I dont want to miss anything or anyone here!
:)Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:14:34 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Take this one to the To Work or Not to Work Board.  C'mon I dare ya. No in
fact I double dare ya! >>

That board fills up fast too, I dont want to miss anything or anyone here!
:)Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:14:34 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Take this one to the To Work or Not to Work Board.  C'mon I dare ya. No in
fact I double dare ya! >>

That board fills up fast too, I dont want to miss anything or anyone here!
:)Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-25 15:15:43 edt
From:  Juliesacks
Posted on:  America Online

Well....Dh and I are work-at-homes, but he goes out alot to visit customers,
and travels alot at particular periods during the year (getting ready to go
this week...AAAGGGHHH) We have toddler boy Austin (we call him RoboToddler,
or FrankenToddler, depending on his mood!) He is in part time lic. home
daycare (so SUE me, but he loves it) and I STILL CANNOT GET ANYTHING DONE. We
have to STOP trying to live up to the models our MIL and our own Moms set up
for us -wake up and smell the triple-iced-venti-one-pump-mocha, girls. Times
have changed alot, and are changing every day.

 I believe in a clean house but am not AR about it - I try to do a little
every day and once every 3 months or so I break down and get a cleaning
service to do the complete job. My *chores* are maintenance. Regardless of
how liberated our DH's may be, we all still work the *second shift* when it
comes to the household. And the reason ? My DH is incapable of the multi
tasking required to get even the laundry done (tops you all - he leaves it in
the WASHER for three days - wet - nice smell!). Cook dinner? Not since we
were married....sigh. I have made quite a transition in my attitudes about
housework since we have been together (change is good, right???)

I only have one more thing to say about this - SAHMs never get a coffee or
lunch break. Sometimes I would love to *only* have to work outside the home.
But then I think about how much time that would take away from my time with
my son, and I grumble away with the vacuum and dust rag, dragging my mop
behind me. I don't want my son to grow up and remember me for having the
cleanest house - I want him to remember me as always being there for him when
he needs me. THAT is what is most important.

Sorry this is so long....just found this folder, and LOL at some of the
postings....I'll be back
JulieSubj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-25 15:15:43 edt
From:  Juliesacks
Posted on:  America Online

Well....Dh and I are work-at-homes, but he goes out alot to visit customers,
and travels alot at particular periods during the year (getting ready to go
this week...AAAGGGHHH) We have toddler boy Austin (we call him RoboToddler,
or FrankenToddler, depending on his mood!) He is in part time lic. home
daycare (so SUE me, but he loves it) and I STILL CANNOT GET ANYTHING DONE. We
have to STOP trying to live up to the models our MIL and our own Moms set up
for us -wake up and smell the triple-iced-venti-one-pump-mocha, girls. Times
have changed alot, and are changing every day.

 I believe in a clean house but am not AR about it - I try to do a little
every day and once every 3 months or so I break down and get a cleaning
service to do the complete job. My *chores* are maintenance. Regardless of
how liberated our DH's may be, we all still work the *second shift* when it
comes to the household. And the reason ? My DH is incapable of the multi
tasking required to get even the laundry done (tops you all - he leaves it in
the WASHER for three days - wet - nice smell!). Cook dinner? Not since we
were married....sigh. I have made quite a transition in my attitudes about
housework since we have been together (change is good, right???)

I only have one more thing to say about this - SAHMs never get a coffee or
lunch break. Sometimes I would love to *only* have to work outside the home.
But then I think about how much time that would take away from my time with
my son, and I grumble away with the vacuum and dust rag, dragging my mop
behind me. I don't want my son to grow up and remember me for having the
cleanest house - I want him to remember me as always being there for him when
he needs me. THAT is what is most important.

Sorry this is so long....just found this folder, and LOL at some of the
postings....I'll be back
JulieSubj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-25 15:15:43 edt
From:  Juliesacks
Posted on:  America Online

Well....Dh and I are work-at-homes, but he goes out alot to visit customers,
and travels alot at particular periods during the year (getting ready to go
this week...AAAGGGHHH) We have toddler boy Austin (we call him RoboToddler,
or FrankenToddler, depending on his mood!) He is in part time lic. home
daycare (so SUE me, but he loves it) and I STILL CANNOT GET ANYTHING DONE. We
have to STOP trying to live up to the models our MIL and our own Moms set up
for us -wake up and smell the triple-iced-venti-one-pump-mocha, girls. Times
have changed alot, and are changing every day.

 I believe in a clean house but am not AR about it - I try to do a little
every day and once every 3 months or so I break down and get a cleaning
service to do the complete job. My *chores* are maintenance. Regardless of
how liberated our DH's may be, we all still work the *second shift* when it
comes to the household. And the reason ? My DH is incapable of the multi
tasking required to get even the laundry done (tops you all - he leaves it in
the WASHER for three days - wet - nice smell!). Cook dinner? Not since we
were married....sigh. I have made quite a transition in my attitudes about
housework since we have been together (change is good, right???)

I only have one more thing to say about this - SAHMs never get a coffee or
lunch break. Sometimes I would love to *only* have to work outside the home.
But then I think about how much time that would take away from my time with
my son, and I grumble away with the vacuum and dust rag, dragging my mop
behind me. I don't want my son to grow up and remember me for having the
cleanest house - I want him to remember me as always being there for him when
he needs me. THAT is what is most important.

Sorry this is so long....just found this folder, and LOL at some of the
postings....I'll be back
JulieSubj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-25 15:15:43 edt
From:  Juliesacks
Posted on:  America Online

Well....Dh and I are work-at-homes, but he goes out alot to visit customers,
and travels alot at particular periods during the year (getting ready to go
this week...AAAGGGHHH) We have toddler boy Austin (we call him RoboToddler,
or FrankenToddler, depending on his mood!) He is in part time lic. home
daycare (so SUE me, but he loves it) and I STILL CANNOT GET ANYTHING DONE. We
have to STOP trying to live up to the models our MIL and our own Moms set up
for us -wake up and smell the triple-iced-venti-one-pump-mocha, girls. Times
have changed alot, and are changing every day.

 I believe in a clean house but am not AR about it - I try to do a little
every day and once every 3 months or so I break down and get a cleaning
service to do the complete job. My *chores* are maintenance. Regardless of
how liberated our DH's may be, we all still work the *second shift* when it
comes to the household. And the reason ? My DH is incapable of the multi
tasking required to get even the laundry done (tops you all - he leaves it in
the WASHER for three days - wet - nice smell!). Cook dinner? Not since we
were married....sigh. I have made quite a transition in my attitudes about
housework since we have been together (change is good, right???)

I only have one more thing to say about this - SAHMs never get a coffee or
lunch break. Sometimes I would love to *only* have to work outside the home.
But then I think about how much time that would take away from my time with
my son, and I grumble away with the vacuum and dust rag, dragging my mop
behind me. I don't want my son to grow up and remember me for having the
cleanest house - I want him to remember me as always being there for him when
he needs me. THAT is what is most important.

Sorry this is so long....just found this folder, and LOL at some of the
postings....I'll be back
JulieSubj:  Re:hand washing
Date:  96-09-25 15:20:38 edt
From:  CuppaT
Posted on:  America Online

We nearly lost our now 8.5 year old daughter when she was a year old because
of non-hand washing in a daycare situation. I had left her in a church
nursery to attend a luncheon. There were quite a few little diaper-clad ones,
with 5 or 6 care providers. Anyway, as a result of being in a nursery (which
I later learned) had no hand-washing facilities, she contracted Rotavirus,
which is an intestinal virus, that nearly caused her to die of dehydration.
She was so dehydrated, at the hosp. they had to poke the poor baby 7 times to
find a vein that wasn't collapsed. She lost 2 of her 21 pounds (that's quite
a lot, really) and it took a couple of months for her to be her old self
again afterwards. All would have been avoided if the care providers had
simply taken turns to go to the restroom down the hall to WASH HANDS after
diaper changes!!!Subj:  Re:hand washing
Date:  96-09-25 15:20:38 edt
From:  CuppaT
Posted on:  America Online

We nearly lost our now 8.5 year old daughter when she was a year old because
of non-hand washing in a daycare situation. I had left her in a church
nursery to attend a luncheon. There were quite a few little diaper-clad ones,
with 5 or 6 care providers. Anyway, as a result of being in a nursery (which
I later learned) had no hand-washing facilities, she contracted Rotavirus,
which is an intestinal virus, that nearly caused her to die of dehydration.
She was so dehydrated, at the hosp. they had to poke the poor baby 7 times to
find a vein that wasn't collapsed. She lost 2 of her 21 pounds (that's quite
a lot, really) and it took a couple of months for her to be her old self
again afterwards. All would have been avoided if the care providers had
simply taken turns to go to the restroom down the hall to WASH HANDS after
diaper changes!!!Subj:  Re:hand washing
Date:  96-09-25 15:20:38 edt
From:  CuppaT
Posted on:  America Online

We nearly lost our now 8.5 year old daughter when she was a year old because
of non-hand washing in a daycare situation. I had left her in a church
nursery to attend a luncheon. There were quite a few little diaper-clad ones,
with 5 or 6 care providers. Anyway, as a result of being in a nursery (which
I later learned) had no hand-washing facilities, she contracted Rotavirus,
which is an intestinal virus, that nearly caused her to die of dehydration.
She was so dehydrated, at the hosp. they had to poke the poor baby 7 times to
find a vein that wasn't collapsed. She lost 2 of her 21 pounds (that's quite
a lot, really) and it took a couple of months for her to be her old self
again afterwards. All would have been avoided if the care providers had
simply taken turns to go to the restroom down the hall to WASH HANDS after
diaper changes!!!Subj:  Re:hand washing
Date:  96-09-25 15:20:38 edt
From:  CuppaT
Posted on:  America Online

We nearly lost our now 8.5 year old daughter when she was a year old because
of non-hand washing in a daycare situation. I had left her in a church
nursery to attend a luncheon. There were quite a few little diaper-clad ones,
with 5 or 6 care providers. Anyway, as a result of being in a nursery (which
I later learned) had no hand-washing facilities, she contracted Rotavirus,
which is an intestinal virus, that nearly caused her to die of dehydration.
She was so dehydrated, at the hosp. they had to poke the poor baby 7 times to
find a vein that wasn't collapsed. She lost 2 of her 21 pounds (that's quite
a lot, really) and it took a couple of months for her to be her old self
again afterwards. All would have been avoided if the care providers had
simply taken turns to go to the restroom down the hall to WASH HANDS after
diaper changes!!!Subj:  Re:hand washing
Date:  96-09-25 15:20:38 edt
From:  CuppaT
Posted on:  America Online

We nearly lost our now 8.5 year old daughter when she was a year old because
of non-hand washing in a daycare situation. I had left her in a church
nursery to attend a luncheon. There were quite a few little diaper-clad ones,
with 5 or 6 care providers. Anyway, as a result of being in a nursery (which
I later learned) had no hand-washing facilities, she contracted Rotavirus,
which is an intestinal virus, that nearly caused her to die of dehydration.
She was so dehydrated, at the hosp. they had to poke the poor baby 7 times to
find a vein that wasn't collapsed. She lost 2 of her 21 pounds (that's quite
a lot, really) and it took a couple of months for her to be her old self
again afterwards. All would have been avoided if the care providers had
simply taken turns to go to the restroom down the hall to WASH HANDS after
diaper changes!!!Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-25 15:20:52 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<< Yet, I just couldn't raise my hand and hope and pray I never do...>>

I have to agree with you. Why would anyone want to cause deliberate pain to
their beloved children. There is a difference between discipline and
punnishement. Time out works for my daughter, but I use it consistantly. My
husband has a friend who constantly hits (and I will not use the word spanks,
for it makes it sound like a different thing) her children, and says its
because "they are different, and time out doesn't work on them."   I was
spanked as a child, and I don't think it taught me anything but not too get
caught, rather than to respect authority, and not do the "bad" things. Just
my .02.Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-25 15:20:52 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<< Yet, I just couldn't raise my hand and hope and pray I never do...>>

I have to agree with you. Why would anyone want to cause deliberate pain to
their beloved children. There is a difference between discipline and
punnishement. Time out works for my daughter, but I use it consistantly. My
husband has a friend who constantly hits (and I will not use the word spanks,
for it makes it sound like a different thing) her children, and says its
because "they are different, and time out doesn't work on them."   I was
spanked as a child, and I don't think it taught me anything but not too get
caught, rather than to respect authority, and not do the "bad" things. Just
my .02.Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-25 15:20:52 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<< Yet, I just couldn't raise my hand and hope and pray I never do...>>

I have to agree with you. Why would anyone want to cause deliberate pain to
their beloved children. There is a difference between discipline and
punnishement. Time out works for my daughter, but I use it consistantly. My
husband has a friend who constantly hits (and I will not use the word spanks,
for it makes it sound like a different thing) her children, and says its
because "they are different, and time out doesn't work on them."   I was
spanked as a child, and I don't think it taught me anything but not too get
caught, rather than to respect authority, and not do the "bad" things. Just
my .02.Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-25 15:20:52 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<< Yet, I just couldn't raise my hand and hope and pray I never do...>>

I have to agree with you. Why would anyone want to cause deliberate pain to
their beloved children. There is a difference between discipline and
punnishement. Time out works for my daughter, but I use it consistantly. My
husband has a friend who constantly hits (and I will not use the word spanks,
for it makes it sound like a different thing) her children, and says its
because "they are different, and time out doesn't work on them."   I was
spanked as a child, and I don't think it taught me anything but not too get
caught, rather than to respect authority, and not do the "bad" things. Just
my .02.Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-25 15:20:52 edt
From:  GSusanJ
Posted on:  America Online

<< Yet, I just couldn't raise my hand and hope and pray I never do...>>

I have to agree with you. Why would anyone want to cause deliberate pain to
their beloved children. There is a difference between discipline and
punnishement. Time out works for my daughter, but I use it consistantly. My
husband has a friend who constantly hits (and I will not use the word spanks,
for it makes it sound like a different thing) her children, and says its
because "they are different, and time out doesn't work on them."   I was
spanked as a child, and I don't think it taught me anything but not too get
caught, rather than to respect authority, and not do the "bad" things. Just
my .02.Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 15:22:41 edt
From:  CGoldb3332
Posted on:  America Online

*I* had "raw" Pop Tarts for breakfast this morning  :)  Now that they've come
out with the low fat version, I'm in Pop Tart heaven!  Especially the brown,
sugar cinnamon...when you can find them.Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 15:22:41 edt
From:  CGoldb3332
Posted on:  America Online

*I* had "raw" Pop Tarts for breakfast this morning  :)  Now that they've come
out with the low fat version, I'm in Pop Tart heaven!  Especially the brown,
sugar cinnamon...when you can find them.Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 15:22:41 edt
From:  CGoldb3332
Posted on:  America Online

*I* had "raw" Pop Tarts for breakfast this morning  :)  Now that they've come
out with the low fat version, I'm in Pop Tart heaven!  Especially the brown,
sugar cinnamon...when you can find them.Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-25 15:22:41 edt
From:  CGoldb3332
Posted on:  America Online

*I* had "raw" Pop Tarts for breakfast this morning  :)  Now that they've come
out with the low fat version, I'm in Pop Tart heaven!  Especially the brown,
sugar cinnamon...when you can find them.Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-25 15:26:03 edt
From:  CuppaT
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry about all the posts....anyone here (besides me....) use her feet to
flush the public toilets, and her elbow (yes, I'm very talented...) to open
and close the stall doors?Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-25 15:26:03 edt
From:  CuppaT
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry about all the posts....anyone here (besides me....) use her feet to
flush the public toilets, and her elbow (yes, I'm very talented...) to open
and close the stall doors?Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-25 15:26:03 edt
From:  CuppaT
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry about all the posts....anyone here (besides me....) use her feet to
flush the public toilets, and her elbow (yes, I'm very talented...) to open
and close the stall doors?Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-25 15:26:03 edt
From:  CuppaT
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry about all the posts....anyone here (besides me....) use her feet to
flush the public toilets, and her elbow (yes, I'm very talented...) to open
and close the stall doors?Subj:  Re:Dh spoils me
Date:  96-09-25 15:30:12 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

Yes you are lucky!  I've married a Russian -Jew that only likes
meat-potatoes.  House work!  Ha! Ha! He'll help but, I have to go back an
reclean after him!

But, I did know this when I married him.
He's lived 10 lives!  He's done and been almost everywhere!  We have most
insane advertures!  I'll write a book one day!
He's never boring!  I guess I took entertainment over cooking and house work.
He's a good daddy.  My daughter has a fishing pole and remote control car at
19 months.  She loves bugs and frogs!
I think I'm lucky too!  Even though I don't get Italian food. ( my favorate )
Subj:  Re:Dh spoils me
Date:  96-09-25 15:30:12 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

Yes you are lucky!  I've married a Russian -Jew that only likes
meat-potatoes.  House work!  Ha! Ha! He'll help but, I have to go back an
reclean after him!

But, I did know this when I married him.
He's lived 10 lives!  He's done and been almost everywhere!  We have most
insane advertures!  I'll write a book one day!
He's never boring!  I guess I took entertainment over cooking and house work.
He's a good daddy.  My daughter has a fishing pole and remote control car at
19 months.  She loves bugs and frogs!
I think I'm lucky too!  Even though I don't get Italian food. ( my favorate )
Subj:  Re:Dh spoils me
Date:  96-09-25 15:30:12 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

Yes you are lucky!  I've married a Russian -Jew that only likes
meat-potatoes.  House work!  Ha! Ha! He'll help but, I have to go back an
reclean after him!

But, I did know this when I married him.
He's lived 10 lives!  He's done and been almost everywhere!  We have most
insane advertures!  I'll write a book one day!
He's never boring!  I guess I took entertainment over cooking and house work.
He's a good daddy.  My daughter has a fishing pole and remote control car at
19 months.  She loves bugs and frogs!
I think I'm lucky too!  Even though I don't get Italian food. ( my favorate )
Subj:  Re:Dh spoils me
Date:  96-09-25 15:30:12 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

Yes you are lucky!  I've married a Russian -Jew that only likes
meat-potatoes.  House work!  Ha! Ha! He'll help but, I have to go back an
reclean after him!

But, I did know this when I married him.
He's lived 10 lives!  He's done and been almost everywhere!  We have most
insane advertures!  I'll write a book one day!
He's never boring!  I guess I took entertainment over cooking and house work.
He's a good daddy.  My daughter has a fishing pole and remote control car at
19 months.  She loves bugs and frogs!
I think I'm lucky too!  Even though I don't get Italian food. ( my favorate )
Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:34:52 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>>My son might seem like a working mom syndrome because he is very
difficult, <<<

I didn't realize they had a name for this phenomenom.  What is it again,
"working mom
syndrome"?  And, just what are the symptoms of this syndrome?

BabsSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:34:52 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>>My son might seem like a working mom syndrome because he is very
difficult, <<<

I didn't realize they had a name for this phenomenom.  What is it again,
"working mom
syndrome"?  And, just what are the symptoms of this syndrome?

BabsSubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-25 15:37:33 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>>Sorry about all the posts....anyone here (besides me....) use her feet to
flush the public toilets, and her elbow (yes, I'm very talented...) to open
and close the stall doors?<<

I do!  And when I was 7 months pregnant, I went to flush the toilet with my
foot and
crashed backwards trying.  I've even tried to fling my pocketbook at it
hoping that it would
be heavy enough to make the flusher work.

BabsSubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-25 15:37:33 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>>Sorry about all the posts....anyone here (besides me....) use her feet to
flush the public toilets, and her elbow (yes, I'm very talented...) to open
and close the stall doors?<<

I do!  And when I was 7 months pregnant, I went to flush the toilet with my
foot and
crashed backwards trying.  I've even tried to fling my pocketbook at it
hoping that it would
be heavy enough to make the flusher work.

BabsSubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-25 15:38:06 edt
From:  CGoldb3332
Posted on:  America Online

Re:  the Holocaust

I remember when I was in the eighth grade, our parents had to sign a
PERMISSION SLIP for us to participate in the unit on the Holocaust.  To be
honest, until then, I had never heard of it.  Of course, I was horrified, but
it was so hard to comprehend...

My husband is Jewish and I am not.  My kids (oops, children) are 7 and 4.  I
couldn't imagine them growing up and first discovering this when they are 13.
But I know I cannot rely on the schools to teach them the history they need
to know.  I cannot imagine them not knowing about their heritage.  They are
grow up knowing about the Holocaust.  I encourage them to talk to their
grandparents and great-grandparents about the Jewish religion and their
experiences.  Even though my children are not being raised with the Jewish
religion, I make a big effort to teach them that we have to respect each
other's differences.

I could go on and on...but I'm out of time.Subj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-25 15:38:06 edt
From:  CGoldb3332
Posted on:  America Online

Re:  the Holocaust

I remember when I was in the eighth grade, our parents had to sign a
PERMISSION SLIP for us to participate in the unit on the Holocaust.  To be
honest, until then, I had never heard of it.  Of course, I was horrified, but
it was so hard to comprehend...

My husband is Jewish and I am not.  My kids (oops, children) are 7 and 4.  I
couldn't imagine them growing up and first discovering this when they are 13.
But I know I cannot rely on the schools to teach them the history they need
to know.  I cannot imagine them not knowing about their heritage.  They are
grow up knowing about the Holocaust.  I encourage them to talk to their
grandparents and great-grandparents about the Jewish religion and their
experiences.  Even though my children are not being raised with the Jewish
religion, I make a big effort to teach them that we have to respect each
other's differences.

I could go on and on...but I'm out of time.Subj:  teacher
Date:  96-09-25 15:41:23 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<My daughters KG teacher just told me ask any KG teacher and they can pick
out the day care kids from the "others"..they are wild aggressive....just
plain undisciplined!! <<

Such a professional teacher your child has!!  I am a SAHM and I hope my
children never have a teacher with an attitude and beliefs like that!!  Don't
tell me you actually believed her!?!Subj:  teacher
Date:  96-09-25 15:41:23 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<My daughters KG teacher just told me ask any KG teacher and they can pick
out the day care kids from the "others"..they are wild aggressive....just
plain undisciplined!! <<

Such a professional teacher your child has!!  I am a SAHM and I hope my
children never have a teacher with an attitude and beliefs like that!!  Don't
tell me you actually believed her!?!Subj:  teacher
Date:  96-09-25 15:41:23 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<My daughters KG teacher just told me ask any KG teacher and they can pick
out the day care kids from the "others"..they are wild aggressive....just
plain undisciplined!! <<

Such a professional teacher your child has!!  I am a SAHM and I hope my
children never have a teacher with an attitude and beliefs like that!!  Don't
tell me you actually believed her!?!Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:44:10 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<.I worked the early morning shift at our Caldor (4-9 in the am) just so I
could be home with my kids all day.  It was the only solution for us (my dh
worked from 6pm-2am I got up at 230 <<

How much energy did you have left for your full day with your children since
you are up a 2:30 am?Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:44:10 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<.I worked the early morning shift at our Caldor (4-9 in the am) just so I
could be home with my kids all day.  It was the only solution for us (my dh
worked from 6pm-2am I got up at 230 <<

How much energy did you have left for your full day with your children since
you are up a 2:30 am?Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:48:54 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

I thought all children were difficult.

Just being a child is difficult.  Remember?Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:48:54 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

I thought all children were difficult.

Just being a child is difficult.  Remember?Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 15:48:54 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

I thought all children were difficult.

Just being a child is difficult.  Remember?Subj:
Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 16:03:58 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

<<would you have thought it as ridiculous if he'd been black and your husband
had said "Hey BOY, wanna go with me?">>

My husband wouldn't have said that. The point being here was not that he
called him a mean name -- but that he called him something that he called
people all the time, and let's face it, chief really isn't all that
derogatory -- in fact, you'd think it would be considered a compliment --
it's like calling someone the president or something.

But even more to the point. My BIL shouldn't be so sensitive to people's
ignorance. He kind of acts like people in here.Subj:
Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 16:03:58 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

<<would you have thought it as ridiculous if he'd been black and your husband
had said "Hey BOY, wanna go with me?">>

My husband wouldn't have said that. The point being here was not that he
called him a mean name -- but that he called him something that he called
people all the time, and let's face it, chief really isn't all that
derogatory -- in fact, you'd think it would be considered a compliment --
it's like calling someone the president or something.

But even more to the point. My BIL shouldn't be so sensitive to people's
ignorance. He kind of acts like people in here.Subj:
Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 16:03:58 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

<<would you have thought it as ridiculous if he'd been black and your husband
had said "Hey BOY, wanna go with me?">>

My husband wouldn't have said that. The point being here was not that he
called him a mean name -- but that he called him something that he called
people all the time, and let's face it, chief really isn't all that
derogatory -- in fact, you'd think it would be considered a compliment --
it's like calling someone the president or something.

But even more to the point. My BIL shouldn't be so sensitive to people's
ignorance. He kind of acts like people in here.Subj:
Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 16:03:58 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

<<would you have thought it as ridiculous if he'd been black and your husband
had said "Hey BOY, wanna go with me?">>

My husband wouldn't have said that. The point being here was not that he
called him a mean name -- but that he called him something that he called
people all the time, and let's face it, chief really isn't all that
derogatory -- in fact, you'd think it would be considered a compliment --
it's like calling someone the president or something.

But even more to the point. My BIL shouldn't be so sensitive to people's
ignorance. He kind of acts like people in here.Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 16:21:11 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<To put in my .02 cents, out of 11 grandchildren on my husband's side, my
son
is the only one who goes to daycare.  >>

I'm curious, Babs - do you receive any negative comments or feelings for your
son being the only one?  I'm lucky that my mom and my mil are very supportive
of whatever choice I decide to make - they've seriously backed me on whatever
I've been doing, working p/t or sah f/t.

LisaSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 16:21:11 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<To put in my .02 cents, out of 11 grandchildren on my husband's side, my
son
is the only one who goes to daycare.  >>

I'm curious, Babs - do you receive any negative comments or feelings for your
son being the only one?  I'm lucky that my mom and my mil are very supportive
of whatever choice I decide to make - they've seriously backed me on whatever
I've been doing, working p/t or sah f/t.

LisaSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 16:21:11 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<To put in my .02 cents, out of 11 grandchildren on my husband's side, my
son
is the only one who goes to daycare.  >>

I'm curious, Babs - do you receive any negative comments or feelings for your
son being the only one?  I'm lucky that my mom and my mil are very supportive
of whatever choice I decide to make - they've seriously backed me on whatever
I've been doing, working p/t or sah f/t.

LisaSubj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-25 16:23:51 edt
From:  JPadg32844
Posted on:  America Online

I don't spank my son,age 2 but there have been times when I've been so
frustrated I have raised my hand in the air.The swatting motion didn't
follow. I grew up with a mom who spanked me and the easiest thing to do would
be to spank my son when things got a little rough. Sure there are days when
we have power struggles and time outs don't seem to work. It is much harder
to figure out what is behind it (like he needs some one on one attention)
than to raise a hand. I think in the long run it will pay off.
We do discipline our son. We send him to time out or when possible try to
teach him consequences. I think that important lessons sometimes aren't
learned because of the anger and resentment that children feel from a
spanking. I think that spanking is an easy way but as often is,not the best
way.Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-25 16:23:51 edt
From:  JPadg32844
Posted on:  America Online

I don't spank my son,age 2 but there have been times when I've been so
frustrated I have raised my hand in the air.The swatting motion didn't
follow. I grew up with a mom who spanked me and the easiest thing to do would
be to spank my son when things got a little rough. Sure there are days when
we have power struggles and time outs don't seem to work. It is much harder
to figure out what is behind it (like he needs some one on one attention)
than to raise a hand. I think in the long run it will pay off.
We do discipline our son. We send him to time out or when possible try to
teach him consequences. I think that important lessons sometimes aren't
learned because of the anger and resentment that children feel from a
spanking. I think that spanking is an easy way but as often is,not the best
way.Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-25 16:23:51 edt
From:  JPadg32844
Posted on:  America Online

I don't spank my son,age 2 but there have been times when I've been so
frustrated I have raised my hand in the air.The swatting motion didn't
follow. I grew up with a mom who spanked me and the easiest thing to do would
be to spank my son when things got a little rough. Sure there are days when
we have power struggles and time outs don't seem to work. It is much harder
to figure out what is behind it (like he needs some one on one attention)
than to raise a hand. I think in the long run it will pay off.
We do discipline our son. We send him to time out or when possible try to
teach him consequences. I think that important lessons sometimes aren't
learned because of the anger and resentment that children feel from a
spanking. I think that spanking is an easy way but as often is,not the best
way.Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-25 16:25:53 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<I do!  And when I was 7 months pregnant, I went to flush the toilet with my
foot and
crashed backwards trying.  I've even tried to fling my pocketbook at it
hoping that it would
be heavy enough to make the flusher work.
>>

Oh, Babs - ROTFLMAO!  What a picture and I don't even know what you look
like!

LisaSubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-25 16:25:53 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<I do!  And when I was 7 months pregnant, I went to flush the toilet with my
foot and
crashed backwards trying.  I've even tried to fling my pocketbook at it
hoping that it would
be heavy enough to make the flusher work.
>>

Oh, Babs - ROTFLMAO!  What a picture and I don't even know what you look
like!

LisaSubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-25 16:25:53 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<I do!  And when I was 7 months pregnant, I went to flush the toilet with my
foot and
crashed backwards trying.  I've even tried to fling my pocketbook at it
hoping that it would
be heavy enough to make the flusher work.
>>

Oh, Babs - ROTFLMAO!  What a picture and I don't even know what you look
like!

LisaSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 16:30:34 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

Might I suggest that the woman who wrote about children in daycare and KG
teachers
that can recognize those same children a mile away, read the latest working
moms and
children in daycare article in the Moms On Line Magazine.  Excellently and
honestly
written, I think that it will be a tremendous eye opener for you.

BabsSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 16:30:34 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

Might I suggest that the woman who wrote about children in daycare and KG
teachers
that can recognize those same children a mile away, read the latest working
moms and
children in daycare article in the Moms On Line Magazine.  Excellently and
honestly
written, I think that it will be a tremendous eye opener for you.

BabsSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 16:30:34 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

Might I suggest that the woman who wrote about children in daycare and KG
teachers
that can recognize those same children a mile away, read the latest working
moms and
children in daycare article in the Moms On Line Magazine.  Excellently and
honestly
written, I think that it will be a tremendous eye opener for you.

BabsSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 16:30:34 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

Might I suggest that the woman who wrote about children in daycare and KG
teachers
that can recognize those same children a mile away, read the latest working
moms and
children in daycare article in the Moms On Line Magazine.  Excellently and
honestly
written, I think that it will be a tremendous eye opener for you.

BabsSubj:  Re:Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-25 16:53:32 edt
From:  Cat Crazee
Posted on:  America Online

They should be required in MEN'S rooms too!  :)Subj:  Re:Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-25 16:53:32 edt
From:  Cat Crazee
Posted on:  America Online

They should be required in MEN'S rooms too!  :)Subj:  Re:Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-25 16:53:32 edt
From:  Cat Crazee
Posted on:  America Online

They should be required in MEN'S rooms too!  :)Subj:  Re:Baby Changing tables
Date:  96-09-25 16:53:32 edt
From:  Cat Crazee
Posted on:  America Online

They should be required in MEN'S rooms too!  :)Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 16:55:35 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

This attitude makes me literally want to vomit!  I have worked outside the
home, in the home, and been "just" a SAHM.  You CANNOT tell the difference
between daycare kids and sahm kids-that KG teacher probably tells the work
outside the home parents the same thing about sah-kids.  I ran a daycare
-some of the most well-adjusted,happiest kids in the world were cared for by
me all day-some of the most screwed up so-called "wild" kids were also cared
for by me.  The bottom line is it's the parents and/or the kids caregiver
that make the difference not whether or not the child attends daycare.  I
have also noticed the most self-serving attitudes come from parents who have
never even had their kids attend daycare (apparently 1/2 & full day
"preschool" doesn't count) it must be nice to comment on a situation you have
never even experienced-but hey, armchair quarterbacking is alot more fun than
playing the game right?  I am not going to even address "who works harder"
because that is a silly, pointless argument.  This is not to minimize the
choice anyone has made-obviously "you" know what is best for your kids-but
hey, don't you think parents with kids in daycare know what is best for them?
Both options have there pros and cons.  I think people who "know" what is
best for others need to take a good hard look in the mirror.

I wasn't going to respond to this because the "debate" is way overdone in the
to work or not  folder-but I just cannot let this pass.

KerrySubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 16:55:35 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

This attitude makes me literally want to vomit!  I have worked outside the
home, in the home, and been "just" a SAHM.  You CANNOT tell the difference
between daycare kids and sahm kids-that KG teacher probably tells the work
outside the home parents the same thing about sah-kids.  I ran a daycare
-some of the most well-adjusted,happiest kids in the world were cared for by
me all day-some of the most screwed up so-called "wild" kids were also cared
for by me.  The bottom line is it's the parents and/or the kids caregiver
that make the difference not whether or not the child attends daycare.  I
have also noticed the most self-serving attitudes come from parents who have
never even had their kids attend daycare (apparently 1/2 & full day
"preschool" doesn't count) it must be nice to comment on a situation you have
never even experienced-but hey, armchair quarterbacking is alot more fun than
playing the game right?  I am not going to even address "who works harder"
because that is a silly, pointless argument.  This is not to minimize the
choice anyone has made-obviously "you" know what is best for your kids-but
hey, don't you think parents with kids in daycare know what is best for them?
Both options have there pros and cons.  I think people who "know" what is
best for others need to take a good hard look in the mirror.

I wasn't going to respond to this because the "debate" is way overdone in the
to work or not  folder-but I just cannot let this pass.

KerrySubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 16:55:35 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

This attitude makes me literally want to vomit!  I have worked outside the
home, in the home, and been "just" a SAHM.  You CANNOT tell the difference
between daycare kids and sahm kids-that KG teacher probably tells the work
outside the home parents the same thing about sah-kids.  I ran a daycare
-some of the most well-adjusted,happiest kids in the world were cared for by
me all day-some of the most screwed up so-called "wild" kids were also cared
for by me.  The bottom line is it's the parents and/or the kids caregiver
that make the difference not whether or not the child attends daycare.  I
have also noticed the most self-serving attitudes come from parents who have
never even had their kids attend daycare (apparently 1/2 & full day
"preschool" doesn't count) it must be nice to comment on a situation you have
never even experienced-but hey, armchair quarterbacking is alot more fun than
playing the game right?  I am not going to even address "who works harder"
because that is a silly, pointless argument.  This is not to minimize the
choice anyone has made-obviously "you" know what is best for your kids-but
hey, don't you think parents with kids in daycare know what is best for them?
Both options have there pros and cons.  I think people who "know" what is
best for others need to take a good hard look in the mirror.

I wasn't going to respond to this because the "debate" is way overdone in the
to work or not  folder-but I just cannot let this pass.

KerrySubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 16:55:35 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

This attitude makes me literally want to vomit!  I have worked outside the
home, in the home, and been "just" a SAHM.  You CANNOT tell the difference
between daycare kids and sahm kids-that KG teacher probably tells the work
outside the home parents the same thing about sah-kids.  I ran a daycare
-some of the most well-adjusted,happiest kids in the world were cared for by
me all day-some of the most screwed up so-called "wild" kids were also cared
for by me.  The bottom line is it's the parents and/or the kids caregiver
that make the difference not whether or not the child attends daycare.  I
have also noticed the most self-serving attitudes come from parents who have
never even had their kids attend daycare (apparently 1/2 & full day
"preschool" doesn't count) it must be nice to comment on a situation you have
never even experienced-but hey, armchair quarterbacking is alot more fun than
playing the game right?  I am not going to even address "who works harder"
because that is a silly, pointless argument.  This is not to minimize the
choice anyone has made-obviously "you" know what is best for your kids-but
hey, don't you think parents with kids in daycare know what is best for them?
Both options have there pros and cons.  I think people who "know" what is
best for others need to take a good hard look in the mirror.

I wasn't going to respond to this because the "debate" is way overdone in the
to work or not  folder-but I just cannot let this pass.

KerrySubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 16:55:35 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

This attitude makes me literally want to vomit!  I have worked outside the
home, in the home, and been "just" a SAHM.  You CANNOT tell the difference
between daycare kids and sahm kids-that KG teacher probably tells the work
outside the home parents the same thing about sah-kids.  I ran a daycare
-some of the most well-adjusted,happiest kids in the world were cared for by
me all day-some of the most screwed up so-called "wild" kids were also cared
for by me.  The bottom line is it's the parents and/or the kids caregiver
that make the difference not whether or not the child attends daycare.  I
have also noticed the most self-serving attitudes come from parents who have
never even had their kids attend daycare (apparently 1/2 & full day
"preschool" doesn't count) it must be nice to comment on a situation you have
never even experienced-but hey, armchair quarterbacking is alot more fun than
playing the game right?  I am not going to even address "who works harder"
because that is a silly, pointless argument.  This is not to minimize the
choice anyone has made-obviously "you" know what is best for your kids-but
hey, don't you think parents with kids in daycare know what is best for them?
Both options have there pros and cons.  I think people who "know" what is
best for others need to take a good hard look in the mirror.

I wasn't going to respond to this because the "debate" is way overdone in the
to work or not  folder-but I just cannot let this pass.

KerrySubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 16:55:35 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

This attitude makes me literally want to vomit!  I have worked outside the
home, in the home, and been "just" a SAHM.  You CANNOT tell the difference
between daycare kids and sahm kids-that KG teacher probably tells the work
outside the home parents the same thing about sah-kids.  I ran a daycare
-some of the most well-adjusted,happiest kids in the world were cared for by
me all day-some of the most screwed up so-called "wild" kids were also cared
for by me.  The bottom line is it's the parents and/or the kids caregiver
that make the difference not whether or not the child attends daycare.  I
have also noticed the most self-serving attitudes come from parents who have
never even had their kids attend daycare (apparently 1/2 & full day
"preschool" doesn't count) it must be nice to comment on a situation you have
never even experienced-but hey, armchair quarterbacking is alot more fun than
playing the game right?  I am not going to even address "who works harder"
because that is a silly, pointless argument.  This is not to minimize the
choice anyone has made-obviously "you" know what is best for your kids-but
hey, don't you think parents with kids in daycare know what is best for them?
Both options have there pros and cons.  I think people who "know" what is
best for others need to take a good hard look in the mirror.

I wasn't going to respond to this because the "debate" is way overdone in the
to work or not  folder-but I just cannot let this pass.

KerrySubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-25 16:57:48 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

The 12th grade students in our community watch schindler's list-every year-I
think it's a great movie that teaches more than any book.

KerrySubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-25 16:57:48 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

The 12th grade students in our community watch schindler's list-every year-I
think it's a great movie that teaches more than any book.

KerrySubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-25 16:57:48 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

The 12th grade students in our community watch schindler's list-every year-I
think it's a great movie that teaches more than any book.

KerrySubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-25 16:57:48 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

The 12th grade students in our community watch schindler's list-every year-I
think it's a great movie that teaches more than any book.

KerrySubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-25 16:57:48 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

The 12th grade students in our community watch schindler's list-every year-I
think it's a great movie that teaches more than any book.

KerrySubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-25 16:57:48 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

The 12th grade students in our community watch schindler's list-every year-I
think it's a great movie that teaches more than any book.

KerrySubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-25 16:57:48 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

The 12th grade students in our community watch schindler's list-every year-I
think it's a great movie that teaches more than any book.

KerrySubj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-25 17:14:02 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

I too was spanked as a child.  It only teaches fear.  We didn't do things not
because they were wrong but because we'd get a whoppin'.  My mama could
strike fear in the heart of  of a bull moose, when she got mad!
After the birth of my own child , mama and I sat down and talked about
spanking and stuff.
She spanked us out of anger and/or fustration.  After she said she felt like
a cold booger on a seat bottom.  I have to say, I too have had a hard time
learning to rechanel anger.  Mostly at dh.
There have been times I've wanted to slapp him bald!  I have to walk away and
cool down.
I'm not going to condem my mother for spanking.  I could have had worse
problems!
But I think I can do better. And when my daughter has her own she'll do a
better job than me!
Isn't that part of parenting?  Raising better people than we are.
Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-25 17:14:02 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

I too was spanked as a child.  It only teaches fear.  We didn't do things not
because they were wrong but because we'd get a whoppin'.  My mama could
strike fear in the heart of  of a bull moose, when she got mad!
After the birth of my own child , mama and I sat down and talked about
spanking and stuff.
She spanked us out of anger and/or fustration.  After she said she felt like
a cold booger on a seat bottom.  I have to say, I too have had a hard time
learning to rechanel anger.  Mostly at dh.
There have been times I've wanted to slapp him bald!  I have to walk away and
cool down.
I'm not going to condem my mother for spanking.  I could have had worse
problems!
But I think I can do better. And when my daughter has her own she'll do a
better job than me!
Isn't that part of parenting?  Raising better people than we are.
Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-25 17:14:02 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

I too was spanked as a child.  It only teaches fear.  We didn't do things not
because they were wrong but because we'd get a whoppin'.  My mama could
strike fear in the heart of  of a bull moose, when she got mad!
After the birth of my own child , mama and I sat down and talked about
spanking and stuff.
She spanked us out of anger and/or fustration.  After she said she felt like
a cold booger on a seat bottom.  I have to say, I too have had a hard time
learning to rechanel anger.  Mostly at dh.
There have been times I've wanted to slapp him bald!  I have to walk away and
cool down.
I'm not going to condem my mother for spanking.  I could have had worse
problems!
But I think I can do better. And when my daughter has her own she'll do a
better job than me!
Isn't that part of parenting?  Raising better people than we are.
Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-25 17:14:02 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

I too was spanked as a child.  It only teaches fear.  We didn't do things not
because they were wrong but because we'd get a whoppin'.  My mama could
strike fear in the heart of  of a bull moose, when she got mad!
After the birth of my own child , mama and I sat down and talked about
spanking and stuff.
She spanked us out of anger and/or fustration.  After she said she felt like
a cold booger on a seat bottom.  I have to say, I too have had a hard time
learning to rechanel anger.  Mostly at dh.
There have been times I've wanted to slapp him bald!  I have to walk away and
cool down.
I'm not going to condem my mother for spanking.  I could have had worse
problems!
But I think I can do better. And when my daughter has her own she'll do a
better job than me!
Isn't that part of parenting?  Raising better people than we are.
Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-25 17:14:02 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

I too was spanked as a child.  It only teaches fear.  We didn't do things not
because they were wrong but because we'd get a whoppin'.  My mama could
strike fear in the heart of  of a bull moose, when she got mad!
After the birth of my own child , mama and I sat down and talked about
spanking and stuff.
She spanked us out of anger and/or fustration.  After she said she felt like
a cold booger on a seat bottom.  I have to say, I too have had a hard time
learning to rechanel anger.  Mostly at dh.
There have been times I've wanted to slapp him bald!  I have to walk away and
cool down.
I'm not going to condem my mother for spanking.  I could have had worse
problems!
But I think I can do better. And when my daughter has her own she'll do a
better job than me!
Isn't that part of parenting?  Raising better people than we are.
Subj:  A re-post for Hr2pisUoff
Date:  96-09-25 17:14:44 edt
From:  MOMS Judy
Posted on:  America Online

 In a fit of bulletin board Nazism, I removed this post before reading
further that Hr2pisUoff and SillyoneC had "talked" and were trading insults
good naturedly. Therefore, after much deliberation, I am re-posting this
message, along with my sincere and warm apologies for any confusion involved.
I gave Hr2 the option of re-posting this, but the satisfaction of having me
do it was something she/he just couldn't resist:)

Without further ado, I give you:
>>Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 09:01:31 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:41:29 edt
From:  SillyoneC

<<<Hr2~~  aka ???~~
Oh Goodie!  I just feel just, ever so special!
 First off I do believe that the only reason you back peddled was that you
did see that you were real off on that one!  I think that my reference to
Nazi behavior and our founding fathers might of woke ya up honey!  Also the
tolerance to racisim, when passed off as humor.
How do you know if I have writin, or am at all involved with the Native
Americans, not even to mention my son is part Native American!!!!  Not to
mention that I am aware and involved in this?    Your comment about sending
them back was very insensitive, dont you think?  No bells going off, just an
attitude that has been passed on from one ignorant to another!   You might
think its funny, but then some people like David Duke too, and think he is a
real funny guy!
HMMMM hope you cleaned your little feet, cuz otherwise they might not taste
so good! [spelled out for ya~~ foot in mouth!]
 If you look bad is only because you put yourself there, I merely pointed out
that making such a major issue a trival thing cant bite you in the rear end!
 If you get mad that I pointed out a fault in your first mild attempt to
post, you are the poor girl [or boy]   Like Im shaking in my boots!  Get mad,
go ahead show me what ya got!  I DARE YA!
Humor is meant to amuse, not hurt.  Your thing to do now is say~~ hey im
sorry if my post upset anyone that was not my intent.   NOT  oh couldnt you
take a joke?

Oh and I might be hormonal and a little more sensitive then normal,
so...whats your point?>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Silly... Thank you for explaining such a complicated issue to me.. I am so
embarrassed.. I dont know if I can ever face anyone here again...
Yea right..  LOL..    you still dont it get and never will.. so I wont
further debate this with you.. from the responce of most people.. its fairly
obvious you were one of the very few that didnt. My *insensitive* comment was
meant to point out that exact attitude of ignorance..if this is a control
issue with you and you feel the need to "win"  ok..  you win... feel better ?
Ps.  Thanks for informing me that you put me on your buddy list.. being
cyber-stalked makes me feel so important.. ROFL...
;)<<<Subj:  A re-post for Hr2pisUoff
Date:  96-09-25 17:14:44 edt
From:  MOMS Judy
Posted on:  America Online

 In a fit of bulletin board Nazism, I removed this post before reading
further that Hr2pisUoff and SillyoneC had "talked" and were trading insults
good naturedly. Therefore, after much deliberation, I am re-posting this
message, along with my sincere and warm apologies for any confusion involved.
I gave Hr2 the option of re-posting this, but the satisfaction of having me
do it was something she/he just couldn't resist:)

Without further ado, I give you:
>>Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 09:01:31 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:41:29 edt
From:  SillyoneC

<<<Hr2~~  aka ???~~
Oh Goodie!  I just feel just, ever so special!
 First off I do believe that the only reason you back peddled was that you
did see that you were real off on that one!  I think that my reference to
Nazi behavior and our founding fathers might of woke ya up honey!  Also the
tolerance to racisim, when passed off as humor.
How do you know if I have writin, or am at all involved with the Native
Americans, not even to mention my son is part Native American!!!!  Not to
mention that I am aware and involved in this?    Your comment about sending
them back was very insensitive, dont you think?  No bells going off, just an
attitude that has been passed on from one ignorant to another!   You might
think its funny, but then some people like David Duke too, and think he is a
real funny guy!
HMMMM hope you cleaned your little feet, cuz otherwise they might not taste
so good! [spelled out for ya~~ foot in mouth!]
 If you look bad is only because you put yourself there, I merely pointed out
that making such a major issue a trival thing cant bite you in the rear end!
 If you get mad that I pointed out a fault in your first mild attempt to
post, you are the poor girl [or boy]   Like Im shaking in my boots!  Get mad,
go ahead show me what ya got!  I DARE YA!
Humor is meant to amuse, not hurt.  Your thing to do now is say~~ hey im
sorry if my post upset anyone that was not my intent.   NOT  oh couldnt you
take a joke?

Oh and I might be hormonal and a little more sensitive then normal,
so...whats your point?>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Silly... Thank you for explaining such a complicated issue to me.. I am so
embarrassed.. I dont know if I can ever face anyone here again...
Yea right..  LOL..    you still dont it get and never will.. so I wont
further debate this with you.. from the responce of most people.. its fairly
obvious you were one of the very few that didnt. My *insensitive* comment was
meant to point out that exact attitude of ignorance..if this is a control
issue with you and you feel the need to "win"  ok..  you win... feel better ?
Ps.  Thanks for informing me that you put me on your buddy list.. being
cyber-stalked makes me feel so important.. ROFL...
;)<<<Subj:  A re-post for Hr2pisUoff
Date:  96-09-25 17:14:44 edt
From:  MOMS Judy
Posted on:  America Online

 In a fit of bulletin board Nazism, I removed this post before reading
further that Hr2pisUoff and SillyoneC had "talked" and were trading insults
good naturedly. Therefore, after much deliberation, I am re-posting this
message, along with my sincere and warm apologies for any confusion involved.
I gave Hr2 the option of re-posting this, but the satisfaction of having me
do it was something she/he just couldn't resist:)

Without further ado, I give you:
>>Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 09:01:31 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:41:29 edt
From:  SillyoneC

<<<Hr2~~  aka ???~~
Oh Goodie!  I just feel just, ever so special!
 First off I do believe that the only reason you back peddled was that you
did see that you were real off on that one!  I think that my reference to
Nazi behavior and our founding fathers might of woke ya up honey!  Also the
tolerance to racisim, when passed off as humor.
How do you know if I have writin, or am at all involved with the Native
Americans, not even to mention my son is part Native American!!!!  Not to
mention that I am aware and involved in this?    Your comment about sending
them back was very insensitive, dont you think?  No bells going off, just an
attitude that has been passed on from one ignorant to another!   You might
think its funny, but then some people like David Duke too, and think he is a
real funny guy!
HMMMM hope you cleaned your little feet, cuz otherwise they might not taste
so good! [spelled out for ya~~ foot in mouth!]
 If you look bad is only because you put yourself there, I merely pointed out
that making such a major issue a trival thing cant bite you in the rear end!
 If you get mad that I pointed out a fault in your first mild attempt to
post, you are the poor girl [or boy]   Like Im shaking in my boots!  Get mad,
go ahead show me what ya got!  I DARE YA!
Humor is meant to amuse, not hurt.  Your thing to do now is say~~ hey im
sorry if my post upset anyone that was not my intent.   NOT  oh couldnt you
take a joke?

Oh and I might be hormonal and a little more sensitive then normal,
so...whats your point?>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Silly... Thank you for explaining such a complicated issue to me.. I am so
embarrassed.. I dont know if I can ever face anyone here again...
Yea right..  LOL..    you still dont it get and never will.. so I wont
further debate this with you.. from the responce of most people.. its fairly
obvious you were one of the very few that didnt. My *insensitive* comment was
meant to point out that exact attitude of ignorance..if this is a control
issue with you and you feel the need to "win"  ok..  you win... feel better ?
Ps.  Thanks for informing me that you put me on your buddy list.. being
cyber-stalked makes me feel so important.. ROFL...
;)<<<Subj:  A re-post for Hr2pisUoff
Date:  96-09-25 17:14:44 edt
From:  MOMS Judy
Posted on:  America Online

 In a fit of bulletin board Nazism, I removed this post before reading
further that Hr2pisUoff and SillyoneC had "talked" and were trading insults
good naturedly. Therefore, after much deliberation, I am re-posting this
message, along with my sincere and warm apologies for any confusion involved.
I gave Hr2 the option of re-posting this, but the satisfaction of having me
do it was something she/he just couldn't resist:)

Without further ado, I give you:
>>Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 09:01:31 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:41:29 edt
From:  SillyoneC

<<<Hr2~~  aka ???~~
Oh Goodie!  I just feel just, ever so special!
 First off I do believe that the only reason you back peddled was that you
did see that you were real off on that one!  I think that my reference to
Nazi behavior and our founding fathers might of woke ya up honey!  Also the
tolerance to racisim, when passed off as humor.
How do you know if I have writin, or am at all involved with the Native
Americans, not even to mention my son is part Native American!!!!  Not to
mention that I am aware and involved in this?    Your comment about sending
them back was very insensitive, dont you think?  No bells going off, just an
attitude that has been passed on from one ignorant to another!   You might
think its funny, but then some people like David Duke too, and think he is a
real funny guy!
HMMMM hope you cleaned your little feet, cuz otherwise they might not taste
so good! [spelled out for ya~~ foot in mouth!]
 If you look bad is only because you put yourself there, I merely pointed out
that making such a major issue a trival thing cant bite you in the rear end!
 If you get mad that I pointed out a fault in your first mild attempt to
post, you are the poor girl [or boy]   Like Im shaking in my boots!  Get mad,
go ahead show me what ya got!  I DARE YA!
Humor is meant to amuse, not hurt.  Your thing to do now is say~~ hey im
sorry if my post upset anyone that was not my intent.   NOT  oh couldnt you
take a joke?

Oh and I might be hormonal and a little more sensitive then normal,
so...whats your point?>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Silly... Thank you for explaining such a complicated issue to me.. I am so
embarrassed.. I dont know if I can ever face anyone here again...
Yea right..  LOL..    you still dont it get and never will.. so I wont
further debate this with you.. from the responce of most people.. its fairly
obvious you were one of the very few that didnt. My *insensitive* comment was
meant to point out that exact attitude of ignorance..if this is a control
issue with you and you feel the need to "win"  ok..  you win... feel better ?
Ps.  Thanks for informing me that you put me on your buddy list.. being
cyber-stalked makes me feel so important.. ROFL...
;)<<<Subj:  A re-post for Hr2pisUoff
Date:  96-09-25 17:14:44 edt
From:  MOMS Judy
Posted on:  America Online

 In a fit of bulletin board Nazism, I removed this post before reading
further that Hr2pisUoff and SillyoneC had "talked" and were trading insults
good naturedly. Therefore, after much deliberation, I am re-posting this
message, along with my sincere and warm apologies for any confusion involved.
I gave Hr2 the option of re-posting this, but the satisfaction of having me
do it was something she/he just couldn't resist:)

Without further ado, I give you:
>>Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 09:01:31 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:41:29 edt
From:  SillyoneC

<<<Hr2~~  aka ???~~
Oh Goodie!  I just feel just, ever so special!
 First off I do believe that the only reason you back peddled was that you
did see that you were real off on that one!  I think that my reference to
Nazi behavior and our founding fathers might of woke ya up honey!  Also the
tolerance to racisim, when passed off as humor.
How do you know if I have writin, or am at all involved with the Native
Americans, not even to mention my son is part Native American!!!!  Not to
mention that I am aware and involved in this?    Your comment about sending
them back was very insensitive, dont you think?  No bells going off, just an
attitude that has been passed on from one ignorant to another!   You might
think its funny, but then some people like David Duke too, and think he is a
real funny guy!
HMMMM hope you cleaned your little feet, cuz otherwise they might not taste
so good! [spelled out for ya~~ foot in mouth!]
 If you look bad is only because you put yourself there, I merely pointed out
that making such a major issue a trival thing cant bite you in the rear end!
 If you get mad that I pointed out a fault in your first mild attempt to
post, you are the poor girl [or boy]   Like Im shaking in my boots!  Get mad,
go ahead show me what ya got!  I DARE YA!
Humor is meant to amuse, not hurt.  Your thing to do now is say~~ hey im
sorry if my post upset anyone that was not my intent.   NOT  oh couldnt you
take a joke?

Oh and I might be hormonal and a little more sensitive then normal,
so...whats your point?>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Silly... Thank you for explaining such a complicated issue to me.. I am so
embarrassed.. I dont know if I can ever face anyone here again...
Yea right..  LOL..    you still dont it get and never will.. so I wont
further debate this with you.. from the responce of most people.. its fairly
obvious you were one of the very few that didnt. My *insensitive* comment was
meant to point out that exact attitude of ignorance..if this is a control
issue with you and you feel the need to "win"  ok..  you win... feel better ?
Ps.  Thanks for informing me that you put me on your buddy list.. being
cyber-stalked makes me feel so important.. ROFL...
;)<<<Subj:  A re-post for Hr2pisUoff
Date:  96-09-25 17:14:44 edt
From:  MOMS Judy
Posted on:  America Online

 In a fit of bulletin board Nazism, I removed this post before reading
further that Hr2pisUoff and SillyoneC had "talked" and were trading insults
good naturedly. Therefore, after much deliberation, I am re-posting this
message, along with my sincere and warm apologies for any confusion involved.
I gave Hr2 the option of re-posting this, but the satisfaction of having me
do it was something she/he just couldn't resist:)

Without further ado, I give you:
>>Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 09:01:31 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:41:29 edt
From:  SillyoneC

<<<Hr2~~  aka ???~~
Oh Goodie!  I just feel just, ever so special!
 First off I do believe that the only reason you back peddled was that you
did see that you were real off on that one!  I think that my reference to
Nazi behavior and our founding fathers might of woke ya up honey!  Also the
tolerance to racisim, when passed off as humor.
How do you know if I have writin, or am at all involved with the Native
Americans, not even to mention my son is part Native American!!!!  Not to
mention that I am aware and involved in this?    Your comment about sending
them back was very insensitive, dont you think?  No bells going off, just an
attitude that has been passed on from one ignorant to another!   You might
think its funny, but then some people like David Duke too, and think he is a
real funny guy!
HMMMM hope you cleaned your little feet, cuz otherwise they might not taste
so good! [spelled out for ya~~ foot in mouth!]
 If you look bad is only because you put yourself there, I merely pointed out
that making such a major issue a trival thing cant bite you in the rear end!
 If you get mad that I pointed out a fault in your first mild attempt to
post, you are the poor girl [or boy]   Like Im shaking in my boots!  Get mad,
go ahead show me what ya got!  I DARE YA!
Humor is meant to amuse, not hurt.  Your thing to do now is say~~ hey im
sorry if my post upset anyone that was not my intent.   NOT  oh couldnt you
take a joke?

Oh and I might be hormonal and a little more sensitive then normal,
so...whats your point?>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Silly... Thank you for explaining such a complicated issue to me.. I am so
embarrassed.. I dont know if I can ever face anyone here again...
Yea right..  LOL..    you still dont it get and never will.. so I wont
further debate this with you.. from the responce of most people.. its fairly
obvious you were one of the very few that didnt. My *insensitive* comment was
meant to point out that exact attitude of ignorance..if this is a control
issue with you and you feel the need to "win"  ok..  you win... feel better ?
Ps.  Thanks for informing me that you put me on your buddy list.. being
cyber-stalked makes me feel so important.. ROFL...
;)<<<Subj:  A re-post for Hr2pisUoff
Date:  96-09-25 17:14:44 edt
From:  MOMS Judy
Posted on:  America Online

 In a fit of bulletin board Nazism, I removed this post before reading
further that Hr2pisUoff and SillyoneC had "talked" and were trading insults
good naturedly. Therefore, after much deliberation, I am re-posting this
message, along with my sincere and warm apologies for any confusion involved.
I gave Hr2 the option of re-posting this, but the satisfaction of having me
do it was something she/he just couldn't resist:)

Without further ado, I give you:
>>Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 09:01:31 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:41:29 edt
From:  SillyoneC

<<<Hr2~~  aka ???~~
Oh Goodie!  I just feel just, ever so special!
 First off I do believe that the only reason you back peddled was that you
did see that you were real off on that one!  I think that my reference to
Nazi behavior and our founding fathers might of woke ya up honey!  Also the
tolerance to racisim, when passed off as humor.
How do you know if I have writin, or am at all involved with the Native
Americans, not even to mention my son is part Native American!!!!  Not to
mention that I am aware and involved in this?    Your comment about sending
them back was very insensitive, dont you think?  No bells going off, just an
attitude that has been passed on from one ignorant to another!   You might
think its funny, but then some people like David Duke too, and think he is a
real funny guy!
HMMMM hope you cleaned your little feet, cuz otherwise they might not taste
so good! [spelled out for ya~~ foot in mouth!]
 If you look bad is only because you put yourself there, I merely pointed out
that making such a major issue a trival thing cant bite you in the rear end!
 If you get mad that I pointed out a fault in your first mild attempt to
post, you are the poor girl [or boy]   Like Im shaking in my boots!  Get mad,
go ahead show me what ya got!  I DARE YA!
Humor is meant to amuse, not hurt.  Your thing to do now is say~~ hey im
sorry if my post upset anyone that was not my intent.   NOT  oh couldnt you
take a joke?

Oh and I might be hormonal and a little more sensitive then normal,
so...whats your point?>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Silly... Thank you for explaining such a complicated issue to me.. I am so
embarrassed.. I dont know if I can ever face anyone here again...
Yea right..  LOL..    you still dont it get and never will.. so I wont
further debate this with you.. from the responce of most people.. its fairly
obvious you were one of the very few that didnt. My *insensitive* comment was
meant to point out that exact attitude of ignorance..if this is a control
issue with you and you feel the need to "win"  ok..  you win... feel better ?
Ps.  Thanks for informing me that you put me on your buddy list.. being
cyber-stalked makes me feel so important.. ROFL...
;)<<<Subj:  A re-post for Hr2pisUoff
Date:  96-09-25 17:14:44 edt
From:  MOMS Judy
Posted on:  America Online

 In a fit of bulletin board Nazism, I removed this post before reading
further that Hr2pisUoff and SillyoneC had "talked" and were trading insults
good naturedly. Therefore, after much deliberation, I am re-posting this
message, along with my sincere and warm apologies for any confusion involved.
I gave Hr2 the option of re-posting this, but the satisfaction of having me
do it was something she/he just couldn't resist:)

Without further ado, I give you:
>>Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-25 09:01:31 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Subj:  Re:SillyOne:FewthoughtsIndee
Date:  96-09-24 16:41:29 edt
From:  SillyoneC

<<<Hr2~~  aka ???~~
Oh Goodie!  I just feel just, ever so special!
 First off I do believe that the only reason you back peddled was that you
did see that you were real off on that one!  I think that my reference to
Nazi behavior and our founding fathers might of woke ya up honey!  Also the
tolerance to racisim, when passed off as humor.
How do you know if I have writin, or am at all involved with the Native
Americans, not even to mention my son is part Native American!!!!  Not to
mention that I am aware and involved in this?    Your comment about sending
them back was very insensitive, dont you think?  No bells going off, just an
attitude that has been passed on from one ignorant to another!   You might
think its funny, but then some people like David Duke too, and think he is a
real funny guy!
HMMMM hope you cleaned your little feet, cuz otherwise they might not taste
so good! [spelled out for ya~~ foot in mouth!]
 If you look bad is only because you put yourself there, I merely pointed out
that making such a major issue a trival thing cant bite you in the rear end!
 If you get mad that I pointed out a fault in your first mild attempt to
post, you are the poor girl [or boy]   Like Im shaking in my boots!  Get mad,
go ahead show me what ya got!  I DARE YA!
Humor is meant to amuse, not hurt.  Your thing to do now is say~~ hey im
sorry if my post upset anyone that was not my intent.   NOT  oh couldnt you
take a joke?

Oh and I might be hormonal and a little more sensitive then normal,
so...whats your point?>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Silly... Thank you for explaining such a complicated issue to me.. I am so
embarrassed.. I dont know if I can ever face anyone here again...
Yea right..  LOL..    you still dont it get and never will.. so I wont
further debate this with you.. from the responce of most people.. its fairly
obvious you were one of the very few that didnt. My *insensitive* comment was
meant to point out that exact attitude of ignorance..if this is a control
issue with you and you feel the need to "win"  ok..  you win... feel better ?
Ps.  Thanks for informing me that you put me on your buddy list.. being
cyber-stalked makes me feel so important.. ROFL...
;)<<<Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 18:02:36 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

  Kerry,
    I just want to say, I really enjoyed reading your post. I have been a
working mom & also a sty home mom.   I   think its important to do our best,
whatever we decide is right for our families, what more can we do?? And how
can we say what works for the Smiths, should work for the Jones??  People are
all so different!!!    Lets try and be supportive of eachother!!!
        BrendaSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 18:02:36 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

  Kerry,
    I just want to say, I really enjoyed reading your post. I have been a
working mom & also a sty home mom.   I   think its important to do our best,
whatever we decide is right for our families, what more can we do?? And how
can we say what works for the Smiths, should work for the Jones??  People are
all so different!!!    Lets try and be supportive of eachother!!!
        BrendaSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 18:02:36 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

  Kerry,
    I just want to say, I really enjoyed reading your post. I have been a
working mom & also a sty home mom.   I   think its important to do our best,
whatever we decide is right for our families, what more can we do?? And how
can we say what works for the Smiths, should work for the Jones??  People are
all so different!!!    Lets try and be supportive of eachother!!!
        BrendaSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 18:02:36 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

  Kerry,
    I just want to say, I really enjoyed reading your post. I have been a
working mom & also a sty home mom.   I   think its important to do our best,
whatever we decide is right for our families, what more can we do?? And how
can we say what works for the Smiths, should work for the Jones??  People are
all so different!!!    Lets try and be supportive of eachother!!!
        BrendaSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 18:02:36 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

  Kerry,
    I just want to say, I really enjoyed reading your post. I have been a
working mom & also a sty home mom.   I   think its important to do our best,
whatever we decide is right for our families, what more can we do?? And how
can we say what works for the Smiths, should work for the Jones??  People are
all so different!!!    Lets try and be supportive of eachother!!!
        BrendaSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 18:02:36 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

  Kerry,
    I just want to say, I really enjoyed reading your post. I have been a
working mom & also a sty home mom.   I   think its important to do our best,
whatever we decide is right for our families, what more can we do?? And how
can we say what works for the Smiths, should work for the Jones??  People are
all so different!!!    Lets try and be supportive of eachother!!!
        BrendaSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 18:02:36 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

  Kerry,
    I just want to say, I really enjoyed reading your post. I have been a
working mom & also a sty home mom.   I   think its important to do our best,
whatever we decide is right for our families, what more can we do?? And how
can we say what works for the Smiths, should work for the Jones??  People are
all so different!!!    Lets try and be supportive of eachother!!!
        BrendaSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 18:02:36 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

  Kerry,
    I just want to say, I really enjoyed reading your post. I have been a
working mom & also a sty home mom.   I   think its important to do our best,
whatever we decide is right for our families, what more can we do?? And how
can we say what works for the Smiths, should work for the Jones??  People are
all so different!!!    Lets try and be supportive of eachother!!!
        BrendaSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 18:02:36 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

  Kerry,
    I just want to say, I really enjoyed reading your post. I have been a
working mom & also a sty home mom.   I   think its important to do our best,
whatever we decide is right for our families, what more can we do?? And how
can we say what works for the Smiths, should work for the Jones??  People are
all so different!!!    Lets try and be supportive of eachother!!!
        BrendaSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 18:02:36 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

  Kerry,
    I just want to say, I really enjoyed reading your post. I have been a
working mom & also a sty home mom.   I   think its important to do our best,
whatever we decide is right for our families, what more can we do?? And how
can we say what works for the Smiths, should work for the Jones??  People are
all so different!!!    Lets try and be supportive of eachother!!!
        BrendaSubj:  Re: work I have been a worki
Date:  96-09-25 18:05:04 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

<<< I have been a working mom & also a sty home mom. >>>

  OOPS!!! That would be a *stay* home mom!!!!  Although, sometimes I feel
like a sty home mom...LOLSubj:  Re: work I have been a worki
Date:  96-09-25 18:05:04 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

<<< I have been a working mom & also a sty home mom. >>>

  OOPS!!! That would be a *stay* home mom!!!!  Although, sometimes I feel
like a sty home mom...LOLSubj:  Re: work I have been a worki
Date:  96-09-25 18:05:04 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

<<< I have been a working mom & also a sty home mom. >>>

  OOPS!!! That would be a *stay* home mom!!!!  Although, sometimes I feel
like a sty home mom...LOLSubj:  Re: work I have been a worki
Date:  96-09-25 18:05:04 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

<<< I have been a working mom & also a sty home mom. >>>

  OOPS!!! That would be a *stay* home mom!!!!  Although, sometimes I feel
like a sty home mom...LOLSubj:  Re: work I have been a worki
Date:  96-09-25 18:05:04 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

<<< I have been a working mom & also a sty home mom. >>>

  OOPS!!! That would be a *stay* home mom!!!!  Although, sometimes I feel
like a sty home mom...LOLSubj:  Re: work I have been a worki
Date:  96-09-25 18:05:04 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

<<< I have been a working mom & also a sty home mom. >>>

  OOPS!!! That would be a *stay* home mom!!!!  Although, sometimes I feel
like a sty home mom...LOLSubj:  Re: work I have been a worki
Date:  96-09-25 18:05:04 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

<<< I have been a working mom & also a sty home mom. >>>

  OOPS!!! That would be a *stay* home mom!!!!  Although, sometimes I feel
like a sty home mom...LOLSubj:  Re: work I have been a worki
Date:  96-09-25 18:05:04 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

<<< I have been a working mom & also a sty home mom. >>>

  OOPS!!! That would be a *stay* home mom!!!!  Although, sometimes I feel
like a sty home mom...LOLSubj:  Re: work I have been a worki
Date:  96-09-25 18:05:04 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

<<< I have been a working mom & also a sty home mom. >>>

  OOPS!!! That would be a *stay* home mom!!!!  Although, sometimes I feel
like a sty home mom...LOLSubj:  Re: work I have been a worki
Date:  96-09-25 18:05:04 edt
From:  MamaZooKpr
Posted on:  America Online

<<< I have been a working mom & also a sty home mom. >>>

  OOPS!!! That would be a *stay* home mom!!!!  Although, sometimes I feel
like a sty home mom...LOLSubj:  Raw Pop Tarts
Date:  96-09-25 19:48:49 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

Bleeech...I don't like them unless they're toasted.  I'll bet a little kid
wouldn't care though.

LauraSubj:  Raw Pop Tarts
Date:  96-09-25 19:48:49 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

Bleeech...I don't like them unless they're toasted.  I'll bet a little kid
wouldn't care though.

LauraSubj:  Raw Pop Tarts
Date:  96-09-25 19:48:49 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

Bleeech...I don't like them unless they're toasted.  I'll bet a little kid
wouldn't care though.

LauraSubj:  Raw Pop Tarts
Date:  96-09-25 19:48:49 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

Bleeech...I don't like them unless they're toasted.  I'll bet a little kid
wouldn't care though.

LauraSubj:  Raw Pop Tarts
Date:  96-09-25 19:48:49 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

Bleeech...I don't like them unless they're toasted.  I'll bet a little kid
wouldn't care though.

LauraSubj:  Raw Pop Tarts
Date:  96-09-25 19:48:49 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

Bleeech...I don't like them unless they're toasted.  I'll bet a little kid
wouldn't care though.

LauraSubj:  Raw Pop Tarts
Date:  96-09-25 19:48:49 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

Bleeech...I don't like them unless they're toasted.  I'll bet a little kid
wouldn't care though.

LauraSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 20:55:12 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

I DIDN"T SAY IT THE TEACHER DID!!!!!    Though as a matter of fact I will
never put mine in daycare.....and I am going to post it....just didn't have
time yet!!Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 20:55:12 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

I DIDN"T SAY IT THE TEACHER DID!!!!!    Though as a matter of fact I will
never put mine in daycare.....and I am going to post it....just didn't have
time yet!!Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 20:55:12 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

I DIDN"T SAY IT THE TEACHER DID!!!!!    Though as a matter of fact I will
never put mine in daycare.....and I am going to post it....just didn't have
time yet!!Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 20:55:12 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

I DIDN"T SAY IT THE TEACHER DID!!!!!    Though as a matter of fact I will
never put mine in daycare.....and I am going to post it....just didn't have
time yet!!Subj:  Re:Raw Pop Tarts
Date:  96-09-25 21:14:31 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online


*Raw* poptarts are nothing.  My son LOVES  frozen bagels and frozen  Eggo
blueberry waffles.  At first we tried to tell him that they needed to be
*cooked*  (he is 5)  finally we thought let him have it then he will realize
how much better they tasted *cooked*.   He certainly fooled us!   He loves
them frozen!  Subj:  Re:Raw Pop Tarts
Date:  96-09-25 21:14:31 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online


*Raw* poptarts are nothing.  My son LOVES  frozen bagels and frozen  Eggo
blueberry waffles.  At first we tried to tell him that they needed to be
*cooked*  (he is 5)  finally we thought let him have it then he will realize
how much better they tasted *cooked*.   He certainly fooled us!   He loves
them frozen!  Subj:  Re:Raw Pop Tarts
Date:  96-09-25 21:14:31 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online


*Raw* poptarts are nothing.  My son LOVES  frozen bagels and frozen  Eggo
blueberry waffles.  At first we tried to tell him that they needed to be
*cooked*  (he is 5)  finally we thought let him have it then he will realize
how much better they tasted *cooked*.   He certainly fooled us!   He loves
them frozen!  Subj:  Re:Raw Pop Tarts
Date:  96-09-25 21:14:31 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online


*Raw* poptarts are nothing.  My son LOVES  frozen bagels and frozen  Eggo
blueberry waffles.  At first we tried to tell him that they needed to be
*cooked*  (he is 5)  finally we thought let him have it then he will realize
how much better they tasted *cooked*.   He certainly fooled us!   He loves
them frozen!  Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-25 21:24:45 edt
From:  LeaAGD1
Posted on:  America Online

As a soon to be mom, dh and I have discussed this subject at length.  We both
believe that a spanking should be one swat on the hind end that causes no
pain.  It is meant to show the child that we "mean business and we mean it
now".  It is reserved for situations such as running too close to the road or
having fingers near an outlet and would be accompanied by a discussion of
what the child did wrong and why it was wrong.Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh,
yes...
Date:  96-09-25 21:24:45 edt
From:  LeaAGD1
Posted on:  America Online

As a soon to be mom, dh and I have discussed this subject at length.  We both
believe that a spanking should be one swat on the hind end that causes no
pain.  It is meant to show the child that we "mean business and we mean it
now".  It is reserved for situations such as running too close to the road or
having fingers near an outlet and would be accompanied by a discussion of
what the child did wrong and why it was wrong.Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh,
yes...
Date:  96-09-25 21:24:45 edt
From:  LeaAGD1
Posted on:  America Online

As a soon to be mom, dh and I have discussed this subject at length.  We both
believe that a spanking should be one swat on the hind end that causes no
pain.  It is meant to show the child that we "mean business and we mean it
now".  It is reserved for situations such as running too close to the road or
having fingers near an outlet and would be accompanied by a discussion of
what the child did wrong and why it was wrong.Subj:  Foot Flushers
Date:  96-09-25 21:48:59 edt
From:  AlohaMommy
Posted on:  America Online

I flush the public toilet with my foot, then wash my hands and everyone elses
I'm with, then use a towel to push open the door.

Sometimes my four year old daughter WASHES THE TOILET PAPER after she
poops!!!!!Subj:  Foot Flushers
Date:  96-09-25 21:48:59 edt
From:  AlohaMommy
Posted on:  America Online

I flush the public toilet with my foot, then wash my hands and everyone elses
I'm with, then use a towel to push open the door.

Sometimes my four year old daughter WASHES THE TOILET PAPER after she
poops!!!!!Subj:  Foot Flushers
Date:  96-09-25 21:48:59 edt
From:  AlohaMommy
Posted on:  America Online

I flush the public toilet with my foot, then wash my hands and everyone elses
I'm with, then use a towel to push open the door.

Sometimes my four year old daughter WASHES THE TOILET PAPER after she
poops!!!!!Subj:  sinks
Date:  96-09-25 21:57:07 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

It would be great if public restrooms put a few child's size sinks and
toilets for the little ones we bring to the restrooms with us.  Subj:  sinks
Date:  96-09-25 21:57:07 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

It would be great if public restrooms put a few child's size sinks and
toilets for the little ones we bring to the restrooms with us.  Subj:  sinks
Date:  96-09-25 21:57:07 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

It would be great if public restrooms put a few child's size sinks and
toilets for the little ones we bring to the restrooms with us.  Subj:  sinks
Date:  96-09-25 21:57:07 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

It would be great if public restrooms put a few child's size sinks and
toilets for the little ones we bring to the restrooms with us.  Subj:
SAHMvsWM
Date:  96-09-25 22:05:02 edt
From:  AlohaMommy
Posted on:  America Online

I'm a SAHM. My oldest is so cooperative and well behaved that she could be a
poster child for the positive effects of a mom at home. I love to credit my
good parenting for her good behavior.....HOWEVER, my precious second-born,
who is now is toddler is the wildest, naughtiest, loudest, biggest tantrum
throwing, biting, hitting, hair pulling, food tossing, toy grabbing child I
have ever seen. (And I love my wild child!)  So much for the nurture/nature
debate!
.
My children certainly humble me. ;-)
                  Subj:  SAHMvsWM
Date:  96-09-25 22:05:02 edt
From:  AlohaMommy
Posted on:  America Online

I'm a SAHM. My oldest is so cooperative and well behaved that she could be a
poster child for the positive effects of a mom at home. I love to credit my
good parenting for her good behavior.....HOWEVER, my precious second-born,
who is now is toddler is the wildest, naughtiest, loudest, biggest tantrum
throwing, biting, hitting, hair pulling, food tossing, toy grabbing child I
have ever seen. (And I love my wild child!)  So much for the nurture/nature
debate!
.
My children certainly humble me. ;-)
                  Subj:  SAHMvsWM
Date:  96-09-25 22:05:02 edt
From:  AlohaMommy
Posted on:  America Online

I'm a SAHM. My oldest is so cooperative and well behaved that she could be a
poster child for the positive effects of a mom at home. I love to credit my
good parenting for her good behavior.....HOWEVER, my precious second-born,
who is now is toddler is the wildest, naughtiest, loudest, biggest tantrum
throwing, biting, hitting, hair pulling, food tossing, toy grabbing child I
have ever seen. (And I love my wild child!)  So much for the nurture/nature
debate!
.
My children certainly humble me. ;-)
                  Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 22:20:38 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

I DIDN"T SAY IT THE TEACHER DID!!!!!  >>

I read that too, didnt understand why you got any heat!      Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 22:20:38 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

I DIDN"T SAY IT THE TEACHER DID!!!!!  >>

I read that too, didnt understand why you got any heat!      Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-25 22:20:38 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

I DIDN"T SAY IT THE TEACHER DID!!!!!  >>

I read that too, didnt understand why you got any heat!      Subj:  Re:Raw
Pop Tarts
Date:  96-09-25 22:22:47 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

My kids love frozen peas, but wont eat em if I cook them!

I found this out when my son was being a snot about taking so long for diner,
well it was 5:15!  I said if you cant wait here eat these!  So my smart
a**ness backfired!  LOL    what else is new??Subj:  Re:Raw Pop Tarts
Date:  96-09-25 22:22:47 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

My kids love frozen peas, but wont eat em if I cook them!

I found this out when my son was being a snot about taking so long for diner,
well it was 5:15!  I said if you cant wait here eat these!  So my smart
a**ness backfired!  LOL    what else is new??Subj:  Re:Raw Pop Tarts
Date:  96-09-25 22:22:47 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

My kids love frozen peas, but wont eat em if I cook them!

I found this out when my son was being a snot about taking so long for diner,
well it was 5:15!  I said if you cant wait here eat these!  So my smart
a**ness backfired!  LOL    what else is new??Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-25 23:32:58 edt
From:  MRSPOPPER1
Posted on:  America Online

kj5683 is soooo right. Sinks, soap dispensers, paper towels and hand dryers
are always too high. The Friendlies in our neighborhood has the flusher on
the toilet in the ladies room mounted 4 ft. off the ground on a stand pipe
behind the toilet. The dryer blows in your face if your under 4'6" and the
soap is a good 5 feet off the ground behind the sink so no child could ever
use it. Top it all off with a door so heavy, many older adults have trouble
opening it!
Toddlers and small children need help in public bathrooms and parents expect
that. However bigger kids should be able to manage but most public bathrooms
are totally unaccessible to them. We work hard to make bathrooms handicapped
friendy, why not kid friendly.Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-25 23:32:58 edt
From:  MRSPOPPER1
Posted on:  America Online

kj5683 is soooo right. Sinks, soap dispensers, paper towels and hand dryers
are always too high. The Friendlies in our neighborhood has the flusher on
the toilet in the ladies room mounted 4 ft. off the ground on a stand pipe
behind the toilet. The dryer blows in your face if your under 4'6" and the
soap is a good 5 feet off the ground behind the sink so no child could ever
use it. Top it all off with a door so heavy, many older adults have trouble
opening it!
Toddlers and small children need help in public bathrooms and parents expect
that. However bigger kids should be able to manage but most public bathrooms
are totally unaccessible to them. We work hard to make bathrooms handicapped
friendy, why not kid friendly.Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-25 23:32:58 edt
From:  MRSPOPPER1
Posted on:  America Online

kj5683 is soooo right. Sinks, soap dispensers, paper towels and hand dryers
are always too high. The Friendlies in our neighborhood has the flusher on
the toilet in the ladies room mounted 4 ft. off the ground on a stand pipe
behind the toilet. The dryer blows in your face if your under 4'6" and the
soap is a good 5 feet off the ground behind the sink so no child could ever
use it. Top it all off with a door so heavy, many older adults have trouble
opening it!
Toddlers and small children need help in public bathrooms and parents expect
that. However bigger kids should be able to manage but most public bathrooms
are totally unaccessible to them. We work hard to make bathrooms handicapped
friendy, why not kid friendly.Subj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-25 23:42:32 edt
From:  ChariDawn
Posted on:  America Online

Although I am totally in favor of hand washing, I would suggest that
statistically we are not in much danger of catching diseaases from people who
don't wash their hands and touch door knobs.  Urine, after all, is a sterile
fluid.  And most people don't wash their hands long enough or with enough
soap and hot water to kill E.coli if it is present on their hands from their
feces anyway.Subj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-25 23:42:32 edt
From:  ChariDawn
Posted on:  America Online

Although I am totally in favor of hand washing, I would suggest that
statistically we are not in much danger of catching diseaases from people who
don't wash their hands and touch door knobs.  Urine, after all, is a sterile
fluid.  And most people don't wash their hands long enough or with enough
soap and hot water to kill E.coli if it is present on their hands from their
feces anyway.Subj:  Re:Hand washing
Date:  96-09-25 23:42:32 edt
From:  ChariDawn
Posted on:  America Online

Although I am totally in favor of hand washing, I would suggest that
statistically we are not in much danger of catching diseaases from people who
don't wash their hands and touch door knobs.  Urine, after all, is a sterile
fluid.  And most people don't wash their hands long enough or with enough
soap and hot water to kill E.coli if it is present on their hands from their
feces anyway.Subj:  Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-25 23:44:04 edt
From:  BAGunter
Posted on:  America Online

I love it.  I'm sure many of us have been there (I have anyway). Subj:
Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-25 23:44:04 edt
From:  BAGunter
Posted on:  America Online

I love it.  I'm sure many of us have been there (I have anyway). Subj:
Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-25 23:44:04 edt
From:  BAGunter
Posted on:  America Online

I love it.  I'm sure many of us have been there (I have anyway). Subj:
Re:Pigs in Walmart
Date:  96-09-25 23:44:04 edt
From:  BAGunter
Posted on:  America Online

I love it.  I'm sure many of us have been there (I have anyway). Subj:
Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-25 23:45:52 edt
From:  BAGunter
Posted on:  America Online

Yes- I agree completely.  I also know some women whose husbands won't change
a p--p diaper.Subj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-25 23:45:52 edt
From:  BAGunter
Posted on:  America Online

Yes- I agree completely.  I also know some women whose husbands won't change
a p--p diaper.Subj:  Re:Babysitting parents
Date:  96-09-25 23:45:52 edt
From:  BAGunter
Posted on:  America Online

Yes- I agree completely.  I also know some women whose husbands won't change
a p--p diaper.Subj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-26 00:51:05 edt
From:  Chemom
Posted on:  America Online

<<Chemom, your "3 Stooges" post had me literally LOL! What else does your
husband obsess about?
>>



As a matter of fact right now he is getting ready for a backpacking trip and
he is *weighing* (with a kitchen scale) _every_ item he may pack...trying to
cut down on the weight of his pack one ounce at a time. He is a great husband
and father, but he is a bit of a nut.

ShannonSubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-26 00:51:05 edt
From:  Chemom
Posted on:  America Online

<<Chemom, your "3 Stooges" post had me literally LOL! What else does your
husband obsess about?
>>



As a matter of fact right now he is getting ready for a backpacking trip and
he is *weighing* (with a kitchen scale) _every_ item he may pack...trying to
cut down on the weight of his pack one ounce at a time. He is a great husband
and father, but he is a bit of a nut.

ShannonSubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-26 00:51:05 edt
From:  Chemom
Posted on:  America Online

<<Chemom, your "3 Stooges" post had me literally LOL! What else does your
husband obsess about?
>>



As a matter of fact right now he is getting ready for a backpacking trip and
he is *weighing* (with a kitchen scale) _every_ item he may pack...trying to
cut down on the weight of his pack one ounce at a time. He is a great husband
and father, but he is a bit of a nut.

ShannonSubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-26 00:51:05 edt
From:  Chemom
Posted on:  America Online

<<Chemom, your "3 Stooges" post had me literally LOL! What else does your
husband obsess about?
>>



As a matter of fact right now he is getting ready for a backpacking trip and
he is *weighing* (with a kitchen scale) _every_ item he may pack...trying to
cut down on the weight of his pack one ounce at a time. He is a great husband
and father, but he is a bit of a nut.

ShannonSubj:  Re:A few thoughts
Date:  96-09-26 00:51:05 edt
From:  Chemom
Posted on:  America Online

<<Chemom, your "3 Stooges" post had me literally LOL! What else does your
husband obsess about?
>>



As a matter of fact right now he is getting ready for a backpacking trip and
he is *weighing* (with a kitchen scale) _every_ item he may pack...trying to
cut down on the weight of his pack one ounce at a time. He is a great husband
and father, but he is a bit of a nut.

ShannonSubj:  Re: 1001 Uses for Butter
Date:  96-09-26 01:23:54 edt
From:  CBSKJ
Posted on:  America Online

Silly - I'd never dream of oatmeal without butter.  It also goes great on
graham crackers!Subj:  Re: 1001 Uses for Butter
Date:  96-09-26 01:23:54 edt
From:  CBSKJ
Posted on:  America Online

Silly - I'd never dream of oatmeal without butter.  It also goes great on
graham crackers!Subj:  Re: 1001 Uses for Butter
Date:  96-09-26 01:23:54 edt
From:  CBSKJ
Posted on:  America Online

Silly - I'd never dream of oatmeal without butter.  It also goes great on
graham crackers!Subj:  Re: 1001 Uses for Butter
Date:  96-09-26 01:23:54 edt
From:  CBSKJ
Posted on:  America Online

Silly - I'd never dream of oatmeal without butter.  It also goes great on
graham crackers!Subj:  Re:Raw Pop Tarts
Date:  96-09-26 01:27:53 edt
From:  CBSKJ
Posted on:  America Online

My oldest son used to love frozen corn. Wouldn't touch it cooked but would
eat half a bag frozen. Yuck!Subj:  Re:Raw Pop Tarts
Date:  96-09-26 01:27:53 edt
From:  CBSKJ
Posted on:  America Online

My oldest son used to love frozen corn. Wouldn't touch it cooked but would
eat half a bag frozen. Yuck!Subj:  Re:Raw Pop Tarts
Date:  96-09-26 01:27:53 edt
From:  CBSKJ
Posted on:  America Online

My oldest son used to love frozen corn. Wouldn't touch it cooked but would
eat half a bag frozen. Yuck!Subj:  Near Death experiance  ;)
Date:  96-09-26 02:34:09 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Whoooo.. That was a close one...today was one I'll never forget..I was at my
puter when all of a sudden I was dragged into the screen... I found myself in
a long tunnel..I saw a very hot, white light..and the faces of long TOSed AOL
members.... soon I emerged and there before me was the great council of MOMS
!   Yikes.. Along side them were a few of the secret TOS police....I said "
Why have you called me?"
One of the Elder MOMS  ( she had some really nice jack-boots I wanted really
bad)  said "We have called you to show you the error of your ways" I said "
What error have I made"? And she said..  " Im not sure.. but were thinking
about it"  From there it gets kinda blury.. I remember talk of
re-education...assimilation..parole..probation.....it was hard to follow it
all...I recall groveling before the great council and confessing my sins.. I
remember the sweet release of finding truth...ahhh.. Im a changed person...
No more sarcasm.. no more Hr2pisUoff.. I am.....Ummm Ahhhhh... transformed !
Yes ! Its a kinder gentler me !
I am alive !!!   Oh I feel better... pheww.. I better get going...Time to go
to the Net and proclaim my transformation.. plus I must do some research.. my
kids have a science project due and I've misplaced my recipe for distilling
hydrogen from household chemicals...Anarchy home page here I come...  ROFL...

;)Subj:  Near Death experiance  ;)
Date:  96-09-26 02:34:09 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Whoooo.. That was a close one...today was one I'll never forget..I was at my
puter when all of a sudden I was dragged into the screen... I found myself in
a long tunnel..I saw a very hot, white light..and the faces of long TOSed AOL
members.... soon I emerged and there before me was the great council of MOMS
!   Yikes.. Along side them were a few of the secret TOS police....I said "
Why have you called me?"
One of the Elder MOMS  ( she had some really nice jack-boots I wanted really
bad)  said "We have called you to show you the error of your ways" I said "
What error have I made"? And she said..  " Im not sure.. but were thinking
about it"  From there it gets kinda blury.. I remember talk of
re-education...assimilation..parole..probation.....it was hard to follow it
all...I recall groveling before the great council and confessing my sins.. I
remember the sweet release of finding truth...ahhh.. Im a changed person...
No more sarcasm.. no more Hr2pisUoff.. I am.....Ummm Ahhhhh... transformed !
Yes ! Its a kinder gentler me !
I am alive !!!   Oh I feel better... pheww.. I better get going...Time to go
to the Net and proclaim my transformation.. plus I must do some research.. my
kids have a science project due and I've misplaced my recipe for distilling
hydrogen from household chemicals...Anarchy home page here I come...  ROFL...

;)Subj:  Near Death experiance  ;)
Date:  96-09-26 02:34:09 edt
From:  Hr2pisUoff
Posted on:  America Online

Whoooo.. That was a close one...today was one I'll never forget..I was at my
puter when all of a sudden I was dragged into the screen... I found myself in
a long tunnel..I saw a very hot, white light..and the faces of long TOSed AOL
members.... soon I emerged and there before me was the great council of MOMS
!   Yikes.. Along side them were a few of the secret TOS police....I said "
Why have you called me?"
One of the Elder MOMS  ( she had some really nice jack-boots I wanted really
bad)  said "We have called you to show you the error of your ways" I said "
What error have I made"? And she said..  " Im not sure.. but were thinking
about it"  From there it gets kinda blury.. I remember talk of
re-education...assimilation..parole..probation.....it was hard to follow it
all...I recall groveling before the great council and confessing my sins.. I
remember the sweet release of finding truth...ahhh.. Im a changed person...
No more sarcasm.. no more Hr2pisUoff.. I am.....Ummm Ahhhhh... transformed !
Yes ! Its a kinder gentler me !
I am alive !!!   Oh I feel better... pheww.. I better get going...Time to go
to the Net and proclaim my transformation.. plus I must do some research.. my
kids have a science project due and I've misplaced my recipe for distilling
hydrogen from household chemicals...Anarchy home page here I come...  ROFL...

;)Subj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 05:49:48 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>.I watched a documentary on high school students and what they learn...when
asked what the Holocaust was...they had no idea. It's so easy to forget the
bad things....and when we forget, they have the opportunity to be repeated.<<

My High School had a day where all the Juniors assembled in the Cafeteria to
listen to a woman talk about being at Auschwitz(sp?).  I will NEVER forget
her story.  There were about 250 of us 16 and 17 year olds sitting quietly,
entranced with every word she said.  Some of us were crying during the story,
it was so heart-wrenching.

I was amazed that a total stranger would come to our school and tell
something so personal.  Apparently she had just recently started talking
about it, and felt that all should hear.
She still had her tattoo that the Nazi's gave her......Subj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 05:49:48 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>.I watched a documentary on high school students and what they learn...when
asked what the Holocaust was...they had no idea. It's so easy to forget the
bad things....and when we forget, they have the opportunity to be repeated.<<

My High School had a day where all the Juniors assembled in the Cafeteria to
listen to a woman talk about being at Auschwitz(sp?).  I will NEVER forget
her story.  There were about 250 of us 16 and 17 year olds sitting quietly,
entranced with every word she said.  Some of us were crying during the story,
it was so heart-wrenching.

I was amazed that a total stranger would come to our school and tell
something so personal.  Apparently she had just recently started talking
about it, and felt that all should hear.
She still had her tattoo that the Nazi's gave her......Subj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 05:49:48 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>.I watched a documentary on high school students and what they learn...when
asked what the Holocaust was...they had no idea. It's so easy to forget the
bad things....and when we forget, they have the opportunity to be repeated.<<

My High School had a day where all the Juniors assembled in the Cafeteria to
listen to a woman talk about being at Auschwitz(sp?).  I will NEVER forget
her story.  There were about 250 of us 16 and 17 year olds sitting quietly,
entranced with every word she said.  Some of us were crying during the story,
it was so heart-wrenching.

I was amazed that a total stranger would come to our school and tell
something so personal.  Apparently she had just recently started talking
about it, and felt that all should hear.
She still had her tattoo that the Nazi's gave her......Subj:  Re: Dirty
Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-26 05:58:41 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>Sunny...or is it BaxterWeb?  <grin><<

I'm a bit confused...do you think that I am Sunny?  I said the light saber
comments (now my family has two of them...but still the laundry sits on the
table!!!!), and for the record, my first name is Chelinda.

Do you think that if my laundry sits long enough on the table that all my
mismatched socks will find one another?  Just a thought....:)Subj:  Re: Dirty
Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-26 05:58:41 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>Sunny...or is it BaxterWeb?  <grin><<

I'm a bit confused...do you think that I am Sunny?  I said the light saber
comments (now my family has two of them...but still the laundry sits on the
table!!!!), and for the record, my first name is Chelinda.

Do you think that if my laundry sits long enough on the table that all my
mismatched socks will find one another?  Just a thought....:)Subj:  Re: Dirty
Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-26 05:58:41 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>Sunny...or is it BaxterWeb?  <grin><<

I'm a bit confused...do you think that I am Sunny?  I said the light saber
comments (now my family has two of them...but still the laundry sits on the
table!!!!), and for the record, my first name is Chelinda.

Do you think that if my laundry sits long enough on the table that all my
mismatched socks will find one another?  Just a thought....:)Subj:  Re:Dads
"babysitting"
Date:  96-09-26 05:59:10 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>I can't imagine what it is you would be doing that you would need to leave
your family for an entire night. (FIL comment) .... Your just lucky your
husband understands women of the '90s, cause I sure don't. (More FIL
comments)<<

Your FIL gets my male-chavanist award nomination!!  How can you stay polite
and keep a straight face?  You must have a huge amount of patience and
tolerance.....

Subj:  Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-26 05:59:10 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>I can't imagine what it is you would be doing that you would need to leave
your family for an entire night. (FIL comment) .... Your just lucky your
husband understands women of the '90s, cause I sure don't. (More FIL
comments)<<

Your FIL gets my male-chavanist award nomination!!  How can you stay polite
and keep a straight face?  You must have a huge amount of patience and
tolerance.....

Subj:  Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-26 05:59:10 edt
From:  BaxterWeb
Posted on:  America Online

>>I can't imagine what it is you would be doing that you would need to leave
your family for an entire night. (FIL comment) .... Your just lucky your
husband understands women of the '90s, cause I sure don't. (More FIL
comments)<<

Your FIL gets my male-chavanist award nomination!!  How can you stay polite
and keep a straight face?  You must have a huge amount of patience and
tolerance.....

Subj:  Re: Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-26 08:17:09 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>>Do you think that if my laundry sits long enough on the table that all my
mismatched socks will find one another?  Just a thought....:)>>

If that works I will never put my laundry away again!!!!  I always thought it
was the monster in the washing machine that ate all those socks!!Subj:  Re:
Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-26 08:17:09 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>>Do you think that if my laundry sits long enough on the table that all my
mismatched socks will find one another?  Just a thought....:)>>

If that works I will never put my laundry away again!!!!  I always thought it
was the monster in the washing machine that ate all those socks!!Subj:  Re:
Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-26 08:17:09 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>>Do you think that if my laundry sits long enough on the table that all my
mismatched socks will find one another?  Just a thought....:)>>

If that works I will never put my laundry away again!!!!  I always thought it
was the monster in the washing machine that ate all those socks!!Subj:  Re:
Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-26 08:17:09 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

>>Do you think that if my laundry sits long enough on the table that all my
mismatched socks will find one another?  Just a thought....:)>>

If that works I will never put my laundry away again!!!!  I always thought it
was the monster in the washing machine that ate all those socks!!Subj:  Re:
Dirty Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-26 08:31:00 edt
From:  Nlb neb
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry to disappoint you, but I left all my mismatched socks in a laundry
basket for over a month and all I ended up with was a basket full of
mismatched socks.  The washer does eat them I swear it does.Subj:  Re: Dirty
Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-26 08:31:00 edt
From:  Nlb neb
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry to disappoint you, but I left all my mismatched socks in a laundry
basket for over a month and all I ended up with was a basket full of
mismatched socks.  The washer does eat them I swear it does.Subj:  Re: Dirty
Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-26 08:31:00 edt
From:  Nlb neb
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry to disappoint you, but I left all my mismatched socks in a laundry
basket for over a month and all I ended up with was a basket full of
mismatched socks.  The washer does eat them I swear it does.Subj:  Re: Dirty
Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-26 08:31:00 edt
From:  Nlb neb
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry to disappoint you, but I left all my mismatched socks in a laundry
basket for over a month and all I ended up with was a basket full of
mismatched socks.  The washer does eat them I swear it does.Subj:  Re: Dirty
Dishes/Dirty Laund
Date:  96-09-26 08:31:00 edt
From:  Nlb neb
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry to disappoint you, but I left all my mismatched socks in a laundry
basket for over a month and all I ended up with was a basket full of
mismatched socks.  The washer does eat them I swear it does.Subj:  Re:non
hand washing
Date:  96-09-26 08:37:08 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

>>>Sorry about all the posts....anyone here (besides me....) use her feet to
flush the public toilets, and her elbow (yes, I'm very talented...) to open
and close the stall doors?<<

<<<I do!  And when I was 7 months pregnant, I went to flush the toilet with
my foot and
crashed backwards trying.  I've even tried to fling my pocketbook at it
hoping that it would
be heavy enough to make the flusher work.>>>

I just take a handful of toilet paper and use it to touch the flusher!!  Much
less dangerous then balancing on my foot!!!LOL

Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-26 08:37:08 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

>>>Sorry about all the posts....anyone here (besides me....) use her feet to
flush the public toilets, and her elbow (yes, I'm very talented...) to open
and close the stall doors?<<

<<<I do!  And when I was 7 months pregnant, I went to flush the toilet with
my foot and
crashed backwards trying.  I've even tried to fling my pocketbook at it
hoping that it would
be heavy enough to make the flusher work.>>>

I just take a handful of toilet paper and use it to touch the flusher!!  Much
less dangerous then balancing on my foot!!!LOL

Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-26 08:37:08 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

>>>Sorry about all the posts....anyone here (besides me....) use her feet to
flush the public toilets, and her elbow (yes, I'm very talented...) to open
and close the stall doors?<<

<<<I do!  And when I was 7 months pregnant, I went to flush the toilet with
my foot and
crashed backwards trying.  I've even tried to fling my pocketbook at it
hoping that it would
be heavy enough to make the flusher work.>>>

I just take a handful of toilet paper and use it to touch the flusher!!  Much
less dangerous then balancing on my foot!!!LOL

Subj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-26 08:37:08 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

>>>Sorry about all the posts....anyone here (besides me....) use her feet to
flush the public toilets, and her elbow (yes, I'm very talented...) to open
and close the stall doors?<<

<<<I do!  And when I was 7 months pregnant, I went to flush the toilet with
my foot and
crashed backwards trying.  I've even tried to fling my pocketbook at it
hoping that it would
be heavy enough to make the flusher work.>>>

I just take a handful of toilet paper and use it to touch the flusher!!  Much
less dangerous then balancing on my foot!!!LOL

Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 08:41:33 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

<<It would be great if public restrooms put a few child's size sinks and
toilets for the little ones we bring to the restrooms with us.  >>

    My local mall just did that!!!!   It is the cutest bathroom you ever
saw!!  Its seperate from the men's and womens so everyone can use it with
their kids.  Now if mine would just show some interest in potty training so
we can use them............Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 08:41:33 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

<<It would be great if public restrooms put a few child's size sinks and
toilets for the little ones we bring to the restrooms with us.  >>

    My local mall just did that!!!!   It is the cutest bathroom you ever
saw!!  Its seperate from the men's and womens so everyone can use it with
their kids.  Now if mine would just show some interest in potty training so
we can use them............Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 08:41:33 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

<<It would be great if public restrooms put a few child's size sinks and
toilets for the little ones we bring to the restrooms with us.  >>

    My local mall just did that!!!!   It is the cutest bathroom you ever
saw!!  Its seperate from the men's and womens so everyone can use it with
their kids.  Now if mine would just show some interest in potty training so
we can use them............Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 08:41:33 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

<<It would be great if public restrooms put a few child's size sinks and
toilets for the little ones we bring to the restrooms with us.  >>

    My local mall just did that!!!!   It is the cutest bathroom you ever
saw!!  Its seperate from the men's and womens so everyone can use it with
their kids.  Now if mine would just show some interest in potty training so
we can use them............Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 08:41:33 edt
From:  Rosie15
Posted on:  America Online

<<It would be great if public restrooms put a few child's size sinks and
toilets for the little ones we bring to the restrooms with us.  >>

    My local mall just did that!!!!   It is the cutest bathroom you ever
saw!!  Its seperate from the men's and womens so everyone can use it with
their kids.  Now if mine would just show some interest in potty training so
we can use them............Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-26 10:06:50 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

BTW, there is a boardon the Mother Board called "to work or not to work" for
this exact debate.  Just to let you know.
kaySubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-26 10:06:50 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

BTW, there is a boardon the Mother Board called "to work or not to work" for
this exact debate.  Just to let you know.
kaySubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-26 10:06:50 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

BTW, there is a boardon the Mother Board called "to work or not to work" for
this exact debate.  Just to let you know.
kaySubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-26 10:06:50 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

BTW, there is a boardon the Mother Board called "to work or not to work" for
this exact debate.  Just to let you know.
kaySubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-26 10:11:35 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Boy, I guess I should have had an abortion and gotten a Collie when i got pg.
Because, I have to go back to work for various reasons 3 months after the
baby is born.  But of course I will be a terrible parent for doing so and my
kid will probably end up being wild and undisciplined...
GIVE ME A BIG, FAT BREAK!!!!!!
Kay
PS- Know what?  I WANT to go back to work... GASP!!!Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-26 10:11:35 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Boy, I guess I should have had an abortion and gotten a Collie when i got pg.
Because, I have to go back to work for various reasons 3 months after the
baby is born.  But of course I will be a terrible parent for doing so and my
kid will probably end up being wild and undisciplined...
GIVE ME A BIG, FAT BREAK!!!!!!
Kay
PS- Know what?  I WANT to go back to work... GASP!!!Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-26 10:11:35 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Boy, I guess I should have had an abortion and gotten a Collie when i got pg.
Because, I have to go back to work for various reasons 3 months after the
baby is born.  But of course I will be a terrible parent for doing so and my
kid will probably end up being wild and undisciplined...
GIVE ME A BIG, FAT BREAK!!!!!!
Kay
PS- Know what?  I WANT to go back to work... GASP!!!Subj:  Re: 1001 Uses for
Butter
Date:  96-09-26 10:21:19 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

My goodness, i use about half a stick on oatmeal, along with copious amounts
of brown sugar and some milk.  MMMMMMMM..... yummy!!!  And it's keeping me
regular!!  (sorry, not to be gross, but i'm 38 1/2 weeks pg and i need the
fiber).
Kay
PS- butter goes in/on ANYTHING.  Is this why i gained 45 pounds in 6
months?Subj:  Re: 1001 Uses for Butter
Date:  96-09-26 10:21:19 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

My goodness, i use about half a stick on oatmeal, along with copious amounts
of brown sugar and some milk.  MMMMMMMM..... yummy!!!  And it's keeping me
regular!!  (sorry, not to be gross, but i'm 38 1/2 weeks pg and i need the
fiber).
Kay
PS- butter goes in/on ANYTHING.  Is this why i gained 45 pounds in 6
months?Subj:  Re: 1001 Uses for Butter
Date:  96-09-26 10:21:19 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

My goodness, i use about half a stick on oatmeal, along with copious amounts
of brown sugar and some milk.  MMMMMMMM..... yummy!!!  And it's keeping me
regular!!  (sorry, not to be gross, but i'm 38 1/2 weeks pg and i need the
fiber).
Kay
PS- butter goes in/on ANYTHING.  Is this why i gained 45 pounds in 6
months?Subj:  Re: 1001 Uses for Butter
Date:  96-09-26 10:21:19 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

My goodness, i use about half a stick on oatmeal, along with copious amounts
of brown sugar and some milk.  MMMMMMMM..... yummy!!!  And it's keeping me
regular!!  (sorry, not to be gross, but i'm 38 1/2 weeks pg and i need the
fiber).
Kay
PS- butter goes in/on ANYTHING.  Is this why i gained 45 pounds in 6
months?Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-26 10:35:09 edt
From:  TERIBEAN1
Posted on:  America Online

I've done both.  With my oldest I had to work, I had no choice and he
survived daycare very well.  I loved my job at the time and had no problem
with it, we spent as much time together as possible. When I remarried, I was
not able to work because of my dh's hours, they change all the time and we
have two small girls besides my son now.  I love being home with my girls (my
son is in school now), but I don't think my son suffered from daycare.  I
truly believe it depends on the family and their situation.  Whatever the
decision, people should be supported for it.Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-26 10:35:09 edt
From:  TERIBEAN1
Posted on:  America Online

I've done both.  With my oldest I had to work, I had no choice and he
survived daycare very well.  I loved my job at the time and had no problem
with it, we spent as much time together as possible. When I remarried, I was
not able to work because of my dh's hours, they change all the time and we
have two small girls besides my son now.  I love being home with my girls (my
son is in school now), but I don't think my son suffered from daycare.  I
truly believe it depends on the family and their situation.  Whatever the
decision, people should be supported for it.Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-26 10:35:09 edt
From:  TERIBEAN1
Posted on:  America Online

I've done both.  With my oldest I had to work, I had no choice and he
survived daycare very well.  I loved my job at the time and had no problem
with it, we spent as much time together as possible. When I remarried, I was
not able to work because of my dh's hours, they change all the time and we
have two small girls besides my son now.  I love being home with my girls (my
son is in school now), but I don't think my son suffered from daycare.  I
truly believe it depends on the family and their situation.  Whatever the
decision, people should be supported for it.Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-26 10:35:09 edt
From:  TERIBEAN1
Posted on:  America Online

I've done both.  With my oldest I had to work, I had no choice and he
survived daycare very well.  I loved my job at the time and had no problem
with it, we spent as much time together as possible. When I remarried, I was
not able to work because of my dh's hours, they change all the time and we
have two small girls besides my son now.  I love being home with my girls (my
son is in school now), but I don't think my son suffered from daycare.  I
truly believe it depends on the family and their situation.  Whatever the
decision, people should be supported for it.Subj:  Re:Near Death experiance
;)
Date:  96-09-26 10:38:28 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

This was funny.  Anyone who has ever had a post removed can definitely agree!

I sometimes feel this way on chats (whether they be on MO or anywhere else)
wehn the chat host starts to get anal about something we are very inocently
talking about... Subj:  Re:Near Death experiance  ;)
Date:  96-09-26 10:38:28 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

This was funny.  Anyone who has ever had a post removed can definitely agree!

I sometimes feel this way on chats (whether they be on MO or anywhere else)
wehn the chat host starts to get anal about something we are very inocently
talking about... Subj:  Re:Near Death experiance  ;)
Date:  96-09-26 10:38:28 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

This was funny.  Anyone who has ever had a post removed can definitely agree!

I sometimes feel this way on chats (whether they be on MO or anywhere else)
wehn the chat host starts to get anal about something we are very inocently
talking about... Subj:  Re:Near Death experiance  ;)
Date:  96-09-26 10:38:28 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

This was funny.  Anyone who has ever had a post removed can definitely agree!

I sometimes feel this way on chats (whether they be on MO or anywhere else)
wehn the chat host starts to get anal about something we are very inocently
talking about... Subj:  Re:Near Death experiance  ;)
Date:  96-09-26 10:38:28 edt
From:  ImhofBabe
Posted on:  America Online

This was funny.  Anyone who has ever had a post removed can definitely agree!

I sometimes feel this way on chats (whether they be on MO or anywhere else)
wehn the chat host starts to get anal about something we are very inocently
talking about... Subj:  Re:Near Death experiance  ;)
Date:  96-09-26 10:58:56 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I agree on the pull of AOL's big brother.  Yes, sometimes it's necessary.
But I can remember being in a chat room about 3 years ago...and just because
I could type fast, I had 4 responses to 4 different questions show up in a
row...and I got TOSsed for scrolling!!  Me...TOSsed.  Who would have thunk
it?!?  : )

KatieSubj:  Re:Near Death experiance  ;)
Date:  96-09-26 10:58:56 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I agree on the pull of AOL's big brother.  Yes, sometimes it's necessary.
But I can remember being in a chat room about 3 years ago...and just because
I could type fast, I had 4 responses to 4 different questions show up in a
row...and I got TOSsed for scrolling!!  Me...TOSsed.  Who would have thunk
it?!?  : )

KatieSubj:  Re:Near Death experiance  ;)
Date:  96-09-26 10:58:56 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I agree on the pull of AOL's big brother.  Yes, sometimes it's necessary.
But I can remember being in a chat room about 3 years ago...and just because
I could type fast, I had 4 responses to 4 different questions show up in a
row...and I got TOSsed for scrolling!!  Me...TOSsed.  Who would have thunk
it?!?  : )

KatieSubj:  Re:Near Death experiance  ;)
Date:  96-09-26 10:58:56 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I agree on the pull of AOL's big brother.  Yes, sometimes it's necessary.
But I can remember being in a chat room about 3 years ago...and just because
I could type fast, I had 4 responses to 4 different questions show up in a
row...and I got TOSsed for scrolling!!  Me...TOSsed.  Who would have thunk
it?!?  : )

KatieSubj:  Re: work I have been a worki
Date:  96-09-26 12:11:45 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Hey mama-was that a freudian slip or what?

LOL
KerrySubj:  Re: work I have been a worki
Date:  96-09-26 12:11:45 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Hey mama-was that a freudian slip or what?

LOL
KerrySubj:  Re: work I have been a worki
Date:  96-09-26 12:11:45 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Hey mama-was that a freudian slip or what?

LOL
KerrySubj:  Re: work I have been a worki
Date:  96-09-26 12:11:45 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Hey mama-was that a freudian slip or what?

LOL
KerrySubj:  Re: work I have been a worki
Date:  96-09-26 12:11:45 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Hey mama-was that a freudian slip or what?

LOL
KerrySubj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 12:14:34 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Here's a cheap way to remedy that-put some stools in there!

KerrySubj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 12:14:34 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Here's a cheap way to remedy that-put some stools in there!

KerrySubj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 12:14:34 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Here's a cheap way to remedy that-put some stools in there!

KerrySubj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 12:14:34 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Here's a cheap way to remedy that-put some stools in there!

KerrySubj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 12:14:34 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Here's a cheap way to remedy that-put some stools in there!

KerrySubj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 12:14:34 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Here's a cheap way to remedy that-put some stools in there!

KerrySubj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 12:15:27 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

HAHA-get it?  "stools" (can you tell I have a 5 yr old who thinks "potty"
humor is hilarious?)

Kerry:)Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 12:15:27 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

HAHA-get it?  "stools" (can you tell I have a 5 yr old who thinks "potty"
humor is hilarious?)

Kerry:)Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 12:15:27 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

HAHA-get it?  "stools" (can you tell I have a 5 yr old who thinks "potty"
humor is hilarious?)

Kerry:)Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 12:15:27 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

HAHA-get it?  "stools" (can you tell I have a 5 yr old who thinks "potty"
humor is hilarious?)

Kerry:)Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 12:15:27 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

HAHA-get it?  "stools" (can you tell I have a 5 yr old who thinks "potty"
humor is hilarious?)

Kerry:)Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 12:15:27 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

HAHA-get it?  "stools" (can you tell I have a 5 yr old who thinks "potty"
humor is hilarious?)

Kerry:)Subj:  Re:A few thoughts/chemom
Date:  96-09-26 12:18:56 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Can I come over?  I would love to just "observe" your husband for awhile!! I
read your post to DH and he said "yeah, is that it"?  never even saw the
humor in it-meanwhile I'm just about peeing my pants with laughter!

KerrySubj:  Re:A few thoughts/chemom
Date:  96-09-26 12:18:56 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Can I come over?  I would love to just "observe" your husband for awhile!! I
read your post to DH and he said "yeah, is that it"?  never even saw the
humor in it-meanwhile I'm just about peeing my pants with laughter!

KerrySubj:  Re:A few thoughts/chemom
Date:  96-09-26 12:18:56 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Can I come over?  I would love to just "observe" your husband for awhile!! I
read your post to DH and he said "yeah, is that it"?  never even saw the
humor in it-meanwhile I'm just about peeing my pants with laughter!

KerrySubj:  Re:A few thoughts/chemom
Date:  96-09-26 12:18:56 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Can I come over?  I would love to just "observe" your husband for awhile!! I
read your post to DH and he said "yeah, is that it"?  never even saw the
humor in it-meanwhile I'm just about peeing my pants with laughter!

KerrySubj:  Re:A few thoughts/chemom
Date:  96-09-26 12:18:56 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Can I come over?  I would love to just "observe" your husband for awhile!! I
read your post to DH and he said "yeah, is that it"?  never even saw the
humor in it-meanwhile I'm just about peeing my pants with laughter!

KerrySubj:  sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 12:26:46 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Did anyone hear the story about the 6 yr old boy in NC who was SUSPENDED from
school for kissing a little girl?  This whole thing is ridiculous!! I think
the principal should be fired.  I have also heard that NOW supports this
decision by the school-another reason why so many women think NOW is just a
TAD bit extreme!  btw, the boy said the girl asked him to kiss her.

Kerry:(Subj:  sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 12:26:46 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Did anyone hear the story about the 6 yr old boy in NC who was SUSPENDED from
school for kissing a little girl?  This whole thing is ridiculous!! I think
the principal should be fired.  I have also heard that NOW supports this
decision by the school-another reason why so many women think NOW is just a
TAD bit extreme!  btw, the boy said the girl asked him to kiss her.

Kerry:(Subj:  sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 12:26:46 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Did anyone hear the story about the 6 yr old boy in NC who was SUSPENDED from
school for kissing a little girl?  This whole thing is ridiculous!! I think
the principal should be fired.  I have also heard that NOW supports this
decision by the school-another reason why so many women think NOW is just a
TAD bit extreme!  btw, the boy said the girl asked him to kiss her.

Kerry:(Subj:  sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 12:26:46 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Did anyone hear the story about the 6 yr old boy in NC who was SUSPENDED from
school for kissing a little girl?  This whole thing is ridiculous!! I think
the principal should be fired.  I have also heard that NOW supports this
decision by the school-another reason why so many women think NOW is just a
TAD bit extreme!  btw, the boy said the girl asked him to kiss her.

Kerry:(Subj:  sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 12:26:46 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Did anyone hear the story about the 6 yr old boy in NC who was SUSPENDED from
school for kissing a little girl?  This whole thing is ridiculous!! I think
the principal should be fired.  I have also heard that NOW supports this
decision by the school-another reason why so many women think NOW is just a
TAD bit extreme!  btw, the boy said the girl asked him to kiss her.

Kerry:(Subj:  sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 12:26:46 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

Did anyone hear the story about the 6 yr old boy in NC who was SUSPENDED from
school for kissing a little girl?  This whole thing is ridiculous!! I think
the principal should be fired.  I have also heard that NOW supports this
decision by the school-another reason why so many women think NOW is just a
TAD bit extreme!  btw, the boy said the girl asked him to kiss her.

Kerry:(Subj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 12:36:42 edt
From:  McSue
Posted on:  America Online

It gets down to what is the definition of harassment?  The story is she ASKED
him, he did it.  I miss the point of making a big deal out of this.  If
someone wants to take a case and publicize it to make a statement, why not
humiliate a junior high boy, where the environment tends to be harassing from
both boys and girls?  I agree with the poster who said this is bad for NOW's
image -- ludicrous activity like this undermines the good things women's
organizations can do.Subj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 12:36:42 edt
From:  McSue
Posted on:  America Online

It gets down to what is the definition of harassment?  The story is she ASKED
him, he did it.  I miss the point of making a big deal out of this.  If
someone wants to take a case and publicize it to make a statement, why not
humiliate a junior high boy, where the environment tends to be harassing from
both boys and girls?  I agree with the poster who said this is bad for NOW's
image -- ludicrous activity like this undermines the good things women's
organizations can do.Subj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 12:36:42 edt
From:  McSue
Posted on:  America Online

It gets down to what is the definition of harassment?  The story is she ASKED
him, he did it.  I miss the point of making a big deal out of this.  If
someone wants to take a case and publicize it to make a statement, why not
humiliate a junior high boy, where the environment tends to be harassing from
both boys and girls?  I agree with the poster who said this is bad for NOW's
image -- ludicrous activity like this undermines the good things women's
organizations can do.Subj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 12:36:42 edt
From:  McSue
Posted on:  America Online

It gets down to what is the definition of harassment?  The story is she ASKED
him, he did it.  I miss the point of making a big deal out of this.  If
someone wants to take a case and publicize it to make a statement, why not
humiliate a junior high boy, where the environment tends to be harassing from
both boys and girls?  I agree with the poster who said this is bad for NOW's
image -- ludicrous activity like this undermines the good things women's
organizations can do.Subj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 12:36:42 edt
From:  McSue
Posted on:  America Online

It gets down to what is the definition of harassment?  The story is she ASKED
him, he did it.  I miss the point of making a big deal out of this.  If
someone wants to take a case and publicize it to make a statement, why not
humiliate a junior high boy, where the environment tends to be harassing from
both boys and girls?  I agree with the poster who said this is bad for NOW's
image -- ludicrous activity like this undermines the good things women's
organizations can do.Subj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 12:36:42 edt
From:  McSue
Posted on:  America Online

It gets down to what is the definition of harassment?  The story is she ASKED
him, he did it.  I miss the point of making a big deal out of this.  If
someone wants to take a case and publicize it to make a statement, why not
humiliate a junior high boy, where the environment tends to be harassing from
both boys and girls?  I agree with the poster who said this is bad for NOW's
image -- ludicrous activity like this undermines the good things women's
organizations can do.Subj:  Chemom
Date:  96-09-26 13:03:51 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I too read your post about the stooges to dh.  His response was, "what's
wrong with the stooges?!?"   ROFL

KatieSubj:  Chemom
Date:  96-09-26 13:03:51 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I too read your post about the stooges to dh.  His response was, "what's
wrong with the stooges?!?"   ROFL

KatieSubj:  Chemom
Date:  96-09-26 13:03:51 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I too read your post about the stooges to dh.  His response was, "what's
wrong with the stooges?!?"   ROFL

KatieSubj:  Chemom
Date:  96-09-26 13:03:51 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I too read your post about the stooges to dh.  His response was, "what's
wrong with the stooges?!?"   ROFL

KatieSubj:  Chemom
Date:  96-09-26 13:03:51 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I too read your post about the stooges to dh.  His response was, "what's
wrong with the stooges?!?"   ROFL

KatieSubj:  Chemom
Date:  96-09-26 13:03:51 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I too read your post about the stooges to dh.  His response was, "what's
wrong with the stooges?!?"   ROFL

KatieSubj:  Chemom
Date:  96-09-26 13:03:51 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I too read your post about the stooges to dh.  His response was, "what's
wrong with the stooges?!?"   ROFL

KatieSubj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 13:05:55 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I agree.  To suspend that child was ridiculous!!!  Why can't kids be kids
anymore?  He's six years old for goodness sake and has no idea about anything
"sexual".

KatieSubj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 13:05:55 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I agree.  To suspend that child was ridiculous!!!  Why can't kids be kids
anymore?  He's six years old for goodness sake and has no idea about anything
"sexual".

KatieSubj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 13:05:55 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I agree.  To suspend that child was ridiculous!!!  Why can't kids be kids
anymore?  He's six years old for goodness sake and has no idea about anything
"sexual".

KatieSubj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 13:05:55 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I agree.  To suspend that child was ridiculous!!!  Why can't kids be kids
anymore?  He's six years old for goodness sake and has no idea about anything
"sexual".

KatieSubj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 13:05:55 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I agree.  To suspend that child was ridiculous!!!  Why can't kids be kids
anymore?  He's six years old for goodness sake and has no idea about anything
"sexual".

KatieSubj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 13:05:55 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I agree.  To suspend that child was ridiculous!!!  Why can't kids be kids
anymore?  He's six years old for goodness sake and has no idea about anything
"sexual".

KatieSubj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 13:05:55 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

I agree.  To suspend that child was ridiculous!!!  Why can't kids be kids
anymore?  He's six years old for goodness sake and has no idea about anything
"sexual".

KatieSubj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 13:40:19 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<Here's a cheap way to remedy that-put some stools in there!<<

Not really you know they would be stolen!

Our local grocery store bought 32 childrens carts.  They were beautiful!!
With in 2 months there were only 2 left!.  People make me sick!  I was really
hoping I would come across just one person who would let it slip that they
*took* one of those carts. Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 13:40:19 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<Here's a cheap way to remedy that-put some stools in there!<<

Not really you know they would be stolen!

Our local grocery store bought 32 childrens carts.  They were beautiful!!
With in 2 months there were only 2 left!.  People make me sick!  I was really
hoping I would come across just one person who would let it slip that they
*took* one of those carts. Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 13:40:19 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<Here's a cheap way to remedy that-put some stools in there!<<

Not really you know they would be stolen!

Our local grocery store bought 32 childrens carts.  They were beautiful!!
With in 2 months there were only 2 left!.  People make me sick!  I was really
hoping I would come across just one person who would let it slip that they
*took* one of those carts. Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 13:40:19 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<Here's a cheap way to remedy that-put some stools in there!<<

Not really you know they would be stolen!

Our local grocery store bought 32 childrens carts.  They were beautiful!!
With in 2 months there were only 2 left!.  People make me sick!  I was really
hoping I would come across just one person who would let it slip that they
*took* one of those carts. Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 13:40:19 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<Here's a cheap way to remedy that-put some stools in there!<<

Not really you know they would be stolen!

Our local grocery store bought 32 childrens carts.  They were beautiful!!
With in 2 months there were only 2 left!.  People make me sick!  I was really
hoping I would come across just one person who would let it slip that they
*took* one of those carts. Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 13:40:19 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<Here's a cheap way to remedy that-put some stools in there!<<

Not really you know they would be stolen!

Our local grocery store bought 32 childrens carts.  They were beautiful!!
With in 2 months there were only 2 left!.  People make me sick!  I was really
hoping I would come across just one person who would let it slip that they
*took* one of those carts. Subj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 13:43:42 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<Did anyone hear the story about the 6 yr old boy in NC who was SUSPENDED
from school for kissing a little girl?  >>

Talk about strictly following a discipline policy!!.  What is amazing is that
it is probably the same policy that is meant for high school students.  I
read that story this morning.  Then I thought about how thankful I am that I
live where I do and how wonderful our school district is.  I don't know what
they are trying to prove in NC but it is more than ridiculous. Subj:
Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 13:43:42 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<Did anyone hear the story about the 6 yr old boy in NC who was SUSPENDED
from school for kissing a little girl?  >>

Talk about strictly following a discipline policy!!.  What is amazing is that
it is probably the same policy that is meant for high school students.  I
read that story this morning.  Then I thought about how thankful I am that I
live where I do and how wonderful our school district is.  I don't know what
they are trying to prove in NC but it is more than ridiculous. Subj:
Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 13:43:42 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<Did anyone hear the story about the 6 yr old boy in NC who was SUSPENDED
from school for kissing a little girl?  >>

Talk about strictly following a discipline policy!!.  What is amazing is that
it is probably the same policy that is meant for high school students.  I
read that story this morning.  Then I thought about how thankful I am that I
live where I do and how wonderful our school district is.  I don't know what
they are trying to prove in NC but it is more than ridiculous. Subj:
Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 13:43:42 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<<Did anyone hear the story about the 6 yr old boy in NC who was SUSPENDED
from school for kissing a little girl?  >>

Talk about strictly following a discipline policy!!.  What is amazing is that
it is probably the same policy that is meant for high school students.  I
read that story this morning.  Then I thought about how thankful I am that I
live where I do and how wonderful our school district is.  I don't know what
they are trying to prove in NC but it is more than ridiculous. Subj:  Re:I'm
Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-26 14:07:38 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<About the pop tarts, I am glad I am not the only one.  Everytime I tell
someone I put my pop
tarts in the Toaster and then add butter they think I am crazy :▐  Even Dh
till this day
thinks I am nuts for doing this.  BTW - It isnt really a raw pop tart, its
just not toasted.  LOL>>

True it is not raw, niether are English Muffins, or Bagels....the toaster is
there to toast them that's all.  BUT I have NEVER heard of putting butter on
a pop tart!!!!!!  And the above is even funnier considering the poster eats
sandwiches consisting only of Mayonaise and Bread!!!  LOL  Sorry Megbran but
your secret is out!!  LOL  :):)

JennSubj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-26 14:07:38 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<About the pop tarts, I am glad I am not the only one.  Everytime I tell
someone I put my pop
tarts in the Toaster and then add butter they think I am crazy :▐  Even Dh
till this day
thinks I am nuts for doing this.  BTW - It isnt really a raw pop tart, its
just not toasted.  LOL>>

True it is not raw, niether are English Muffins, or Bagels....the toaster is
there to toast them that's all.  BUT I have NEVER heard of putting butter on
a pop tart!!!!!!  And the above is even funnier considering the poster eats
sandwiches consisting only of Mayonaise and Bread!!!  LOL  Sorry Megbran but
your secret is out!!  LOL  :):)

JennSubj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-26 14:07:38 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<About the pop tarts, I am glad I am not the only one.  Everytime I tell
someone I put my pop
tarts in the Toaster and then add butter they think I am crazy :▐  Even Dh
till this day
thinks I am nuts for doing this.  BTW - It isnt really a raw pop tart, its
just not toasted.  LOL>>

True it is not raw, niether are English Muffins, or Bagels....the toaster is
there to toast them that's all.  BUT I have NEVER heard of putting butter on
a pop tart!!!!!!  And the above is even funnier considering the poster eats
sandwiches consisting only of Mayonaise and Bread!!!  LOL  Sorry Megbran but
your secret is out!!  LOL  :):)

JennSubj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-26 14:07:38 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

<<About the pop tarts, I am glad I am not the only one.  Everytime I tell
someone I put my pop
tarts in the Toaster and then add butter they think I am crazy :▐  Even Dh
till this day
thinks I am nuts for doing this.  BTW - It isnt really a raw pop tart, its
just not toasted.  LOL>>

True it is not raw, niether are English Muffins, or Bagels....the toaster is
there to toast them that's all.  BUT I have NEVER heard of putting butter on
a pop tart!!!!!!  And the above is even funnier considering the poster eats
sandwiches consisting only of Mayonaise and Bread!!!  LOL  Sorry Megbran but
your secret is out!!  LOL  :):)

JennSubj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 14:10:29 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

How pathetic!
My bestfriend in Kindegarden would get up in the middle of class, walk to her
"boyfriend" and kiss
him!  Everyday she did this!
Didn't we all have simular things?  I did the ol'  Show you mine if you show
me yours!
Subj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 14:10:29 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

How pathetic!
My bestfriend in Kindegarden would get up in the middle of class, walk to her
"boyfriend" and kiss
him!  Everyday she did this!
Didn't we all have simular things?  I did the ol'  Show you mine if you show
me yours!
Subj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 14:10:29 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

How pathetic!
My bestfriend in Kindegarden would get up in the middle of class, walk to her
"boyfriend" and kiss
him!  Everyday she did this!
Didn't we all have simular things?  I did the ol'  Show you mine if you show
me yours!
Subj:  Re:Foot Flushers
Date:  96-09-26 14:12:25 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I am a foot flusher too!!!!  LOL  I though it was just me and my mother!!!!
I can bear to touch the darn handle with my hands.  EEEEEEWWWWWWWW

JennSubj:  Re:Foot Flushers
Date:  96-09-26 14:12:25 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I am a foot flusher too!!!!  LOL  I though it was just me and my mother!!!!
I can bear to touch the darn handle with my hands.  EEEEEEWWWWWWWW

JennSubj:  Re:Foot Flushers
Date:  96-09-26 14:12:25 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I am a foot flusher too!!!!  LOL  I though it was just me and my mother!!!!
I can bear to touch the darn handle with my hands.  EEEEEEWWWWWWWW

JennSubj:  Re:Foot Flushers
Date:  96-09-26 14:12:25 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

I am a foot flusher too!!!!  LOL  I though it was just me and my mother!!!!
I can bear to touch the darn handle with my hands.  EEEEEEWWWWWWWW

JennSubj:  Re: 1001 Uses for Butter
Date:  96-09-26 14:14:00 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry all,

I am just NOT a butter person!!  I like on a few things but even when I eat
bread with my spaghetti I don't put butter on my bread then.

Jenn - A non-lover of butterSubj:  Re: 1001 Uses for Butter
Date:  96-09-26 14:14:00 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry all,

I am just NOT a butter person!!  I like on a few things but even when I eat
bread with my spaghetti I don't put butter on my bread then.

Jenn - A non-lover of butterSubj:  Re: 1001 Uses for Butter
Date:  96-09-26 14:14:00 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry all,

I am just NOT a butter person!!  I like on a few things but even when I eat
bread with my spaghetti I don't put butter on my bread then.

Jenn - A non-lover of butterSubj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 14:17:02 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

Kerry,

I agree!!!!  I think this was very extreme, considering the boy doesn't even
know what the words Sexual Harrassment mean!!  If they expect children of all
ages to abide by these "laws" then I suggest they start teaching them the
definitions.  I think that it was a perfectly innocent thing for a child to
do......GOSH, do we now have to be afraid to teach our children that hugging
and kissing friends is okay??!!!!

JennSubj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 14:17:02 edt
From:  FUNK E MOM
Posted on:  America Online

Kerry,

I agree!!!!  I think this was very extreme, considering the boy doesn't even
know what the words Sexual Harrassment mean!!  If they expect children of all
ages to abide by these "laws" then I suggest they start teaching them the
definitions.  I think that it was a perfectly innocent thing for a child to
do......GOSH, do we now have to be afraid to teach our children that hugging
and kissing friends is okay??!!!!

JennSubj:  trophy children/not Work!!
Date:  96-09-26 14:21:55 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Boy, I guess I should have had an abortion and gotten a Collie when i got pg.
Because, I have to go back to work for various reasons 3 months after the
baby is born.  But of course I will be a terrible parent for doing so and my
kid will probably end up being wild and undisciplined...
GIVE ME A BIG, FAT BREAK!!!!!!
Kay>>>
HELLO!!!   I believe some confusion on the postings have occured AGAIN!!
Rhonda was responding to a post on trophy children NOT on working moms!
There is a big~huge ~astronomical~difference there!     If the only reason
you wanted a child was to show off your genes, and have someone else raise
your kids while you take all the credit, then you have a trophy child, if you
must work, then it has nothing to do with what she was commenting on!!!Subj:
trophy children/not Work!!
Date:  96-09-26 14:21:55 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Boy, I guess I should have had an abortion and gotten a Collie when i got pg.
Because, I have to go back to work for various reasons 3 months after the
baby is born.  But of course I will be a terrible parent for doing so and my
kid will probably end up being wild and undisciplined...
GIVE ME A BIG, FAT BREAK!!!!!!
Kay>>>
HELLO!!!   I believe some confusion on the postings have occured AGAIN!!
Rhonda was responding to a post on trophy children NOT on working moms!
There is a big~huge ~astronomical~difference there!     If the only reason
you wanted a child was to show off your genes, and have someone else raise
your kids while you take all the credit, then you have a trophy child, if you
must work, then it has nothing to do with what she was commenting on!!!Subj:
Re: 1001 Uses for Butter
Date:  96-09-26 14:23:59 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hey Im not a petite flower myself, but I never heard of so many things to do
with butter on food!    geeze!  I put butter on my veggies and thats about
it!
The only way to eat veggies is either dripping in a pool of butter or cheese!
LOLSubj:  Re: 1001 Uses for Butter
Date:  96-09-26 14:23:59 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Hey Im not a petite flower myself, but I never heard of so many things to do
with butter on food!    geeze!  I put butter on my veggies and thats about
it!
The only way to eat veggies is either dripping in a pool of butter or cheese!
LOLSubj:  Raw things
Date:  96-09-26 14:38:37 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

My kids will also eat refrigerated bagels not frozen.  I put them in the
fridge and they like them
cold with nothing on them.  Not even toasted.  YUK  Thanks for letting my
secret out FUNK E MOM.  Yeah, I LOVE to eat Mayonaise sandwiches.  Anyone
else?????????????

KellySubj:  Raw things
Date:  96-09-26 14:38:37 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

My kids will also eat refrigerated bagels not frozen.  I put them in the
fridge and they like them
cold with nothing on them.  Not even toasted.  YUK  Thanks for letting my
secret out FUNK E MOM.  Yeah, I LOVE to eat Mayonaise sandwiches.  Anyone
else?????????????

KellySubj:  Re:Raw things
Date:  96-09-26 14:49:27 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< Yeah, I LOVE to eat Mayonaise sandwiches.  Anyone else?????????????

<<

Yuk!  But, you know what is yumy.....Turkey, mashed potatos and corn in one
big mixed up pile topped with a touch of gravy!!Subj:  Re:Raw things
Date:  96-09-26 14:49:27 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< Yeah, I LOVE to eat Mayonaise sandwiches.  Anyone else?????????????

<<

Yuk!  But, you know what is yumy.....Turkey, mashed potatos and corn in one
big mixed up pile topped with a touch of gravy!!Subj:  Re:Raw things
Date:  96-09-26 14:49:27 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

<< Yeah, I LOVE to eat Mayonaise sandwiches.  Anyone else?????????????

<<

Yuk!  But, you know what is yumy.....Turkey, mashed potatos and corn in one
big mixed up pile topped with a touch of gravy!!Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM
He**
Date:  96-09-26 14:51:43 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

OH MAN!!   Another who likes mayo and bread sandwiches!!  Didn't know there
was anyone else!

When I am hungry for something but don't know what......2 slices of bread and
mayo!!!Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-26 14:51:43 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

OH MAN!!   Another who likes mayo and bread sandwiches!!  Didn't know there
was anyone else!

When I am hungry for something but don't know what......2 slices of bread and
mayo!!!Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-26 14:51:43 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

OH MAN!!   Another who likes mayo and bread sandwiches!!  Didn't know there
was anyone else!

When I am hungry for something but don't know what......2 slices of bread and
mayo!!!Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-26 14:51:43 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

OH MAN!!   Another who likes mayo and bread sandwiches!!  Didn't know there
was anyone else!

When I am hungry for something but don't know what......2 slices of bread and
mayo!!!Subj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 14:52:47 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

That is a bit much wouldnt ya say?  Lots of little boys kiss little girls!
BUT and I say BUT!  it really depends on the entire situation!
 I mean there are little boys out there who rape at 6-7-8-9 and up!
Because of that it makes it bad for just normal kid stuff!
  So its guilty before proven innocent, even to the most innocent.
Today a stranger helping a little girl get a drink, or offering to tie a shoe
so they dont trip, asking a child walking alone in a store where their parent
is,  can be taken wrong!!!  So I guess it only was a matter of time before
they started on little kids acting like little kids.   Wonder what this is
going to do to Valentines Day???Subj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 14:52:47 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

That is a bit much wouldnt ya say?  Lots of little boys kiss little girls!
BUT and I say BUT!  it really depends on the entire situation!
 I mean there are little boys out there who rape at 6-7-8-9 and up!
Because of that it makes it bad for just normal kid stuff!
  So its guilty before proven innocent, even to the most innocent.
Today a stranger helping a little girl get a drink, or offering to tie a shoe
so they dont trip, asking a child walking alone in a store where their parent
is,  can be taken wrong!!!  So I guess it only was a matter of time before
they started on little kids acting like little kids.   Wonder what this is
going to do to Valentines Day???Subj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 14:52:47 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

That is a bit much wouldnt ya say?  Lots of little boys kiss little girls!
BUT and I say BUT!  it really depends on the entire situation!
 I mean there are little boys out there who rape at 6-7-8-9 and up!
Because of that it makes it bad for just normal kid stuff!
  So its guilty before proven innocent, even to the most innocent.
Today a stranger helping a little girl get a drink, or offering to tie a shoe
so they dont trip, asking a child walking alone in a store where their parent
is,  can be taken wrong!!!  So I guess it only was a matter of time before
they started on little kids acting like little kids.   Wonder what this is
going to do to Valentines Day???Subj:  Re:trophy children/not Work!
Date:  96-09-26 14:53:11 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks Silly!!  Just as what happens with many of the post some people do not
READ the whole thing the way it is written!!Subj:  Re:trophy children/not
Work!
Date:  96-09-26 14:53:11 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks Silly!!  Just as what happens with many of the post some people do not
READ the whole thing the way it is written!!Subj:  Re:trophy children/not
Work!
Date:  96-09-26 14:53:11 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks Silly!!  Just as what happens with many of the post some people do not
READ the whole thing the way it is written!!Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**

Date:  96-09-26 14:56:13 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>And the above is even funnier considering the poster eats sandwiches
consisting only of Mayonaise and Bread!!!  LOL  Sorry Megbran but your secret
is out!!  LOL  :):)>>>

Oh I loved those when I was a kid!  Somedays I would put lettuce in it or
potato chips.
Yum!  Nowadays, however, even the lettuce would go to my hips if I ate it
with the
mayo.

Babs

Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-26 14:56:13 edt
From:  BABSCUSH
Posted on:  America Online

>>And the above is even funnier considering the poster eats sandwiches
consisting only of Mayonaise and Bread!!!  LOL  Sorry Megbran but your secret
is out!!  LOL  :):)>>>

Oh I loved those when I was a kid!  Somedays I would put lettuce in it or
potato chips.
Yum!  Nowadays, however, even the lettuce would go to my hips if I ate it
with the
mayo.

Babs

Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-26 15:02:12 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

This is funny that so many people like the same weird thing!
Did you see TOYS with Robin Williams?      Applesause sandwich sounds better,
and that sounds icky!
I like weird combos on pizza, so I am hoping that some of you like it too!!
I like cheese, ham, pineapple and black olives, prefer a thin crust but like
stuffed too!  My husband moans about how gross it is, and he LIKES sliders
[aka White Castle]  so he has no taste anyway!    Subj:  Re:I'm Living in
SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-26 15:02:12 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

This is funny that so many people like the same weird thing!
Did you see TOYS with Robin Williams?      Applesause sandwich sounds better,
and that sounds icky!
I like weird combos on pizza, so I am hoping that some of you like it too!!
I like cheese, ham, pineapple and black olives, prefer a thin crust but like
stuffed too!  My husband moans about how gross it is, and he LIKES sliders
[aka White Castle]  so he has no taste anyway!    Subj:  Re: 1001 Uses for
Butter
Date:  96-09-26 15:04:09 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

Ever try butter on saltine crackers?  Mmm great with Chili. <salivating
now..LOL>

Katie...starting the craving thing early  : )Subj:  Re: 1001 Uses for Butter
Date:  96-09-26 15:04:09 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

Ever try butter on saltine crackers?  Mmm great with Chili. <salivating
now..LOL>

Katie...starting the craving thing early  : )Subj:  Re: 1001 Uses for Butter
Date:  96-09-26 15:04:09 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

Ever try butter on saltine crackers?  Mmm great with Chili. <salivating
now..LOL>

Katie...starting the craving thing early  : )Subj:  Re:Raw things
Date:  96-09-26 15:10:04 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

My son likes to go out with Daddy to the sushi bar!   The sushi chefs love to
see him come in and order what he wants in Japaneese!   :)   Ok he doesnt do
the real challenging stuff, but hey he loves to tell people he ate octopus!
LOL
[he started when he was 6, now he is 9!]Subj:  Re:Raw things
Date:  96-09-26 15:10:04 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

My son likes to go out with Daddy to the sushi bar!   The sushi chefs love to
see him come in and order what he wants in Japaneese!   :)   Ok he doesnt do
the real challenging stuff, but hey he loves to tell people he ate octopus!
LOL
[he started when he was 6, now he is 9!]Subj:  Re:Raw things
Date:  96-09-26 15:12:28 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

no mayonaise please
give me a raw potato with salt!Subj:  Re:Raw things
Date:  96-09-26 15:12:28 edt
From:  EShalom567
Posted on:  America Online

no mayonaise please
give me a raw potato with salt!Subj:  Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-26 15:15:13 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

I love butter on toasted pop tarts.  It's so drippy and mmmmmmmmm.Subj:
Re:I'm Living in SAHM He**
Date:  96-09-26 15:15:13 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

I love butter on toasted pop tarts.  It's so drippy and mmmmmmmmm.Subj:  Re:
work
Date:  96-09-26 15:15:48 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

First of all.....WELL DUHHH!!  Didnt I SAY I know there are people who HAVE
to go back to work??    There is a big difference b/n people who HAVE to and
those who just WANT to cause they can't bear the thought of being home with
their non-stimulating children all day!!


GeeeeezSubj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-26 15:15:48 edt
From:  MOMTO27517
Posted on:  America Online

First of all.....WELL DUHHH!!  Didnt I SAY I know there are people who HAVE
to go back to work??    There is a big difference b/n people who HAVE to and
those who just WANT to cause they can't bear the thought of being home with
their non-stimulating children all day!!


GeeeeezSubj:  Re:A few thoughts/chemom
Date:  96-09-26 15:17:37 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Shannon, your husband's antics are cracking me up! You must have a very
interesting home life. :) Keep us posted, will you please? I mean no
disrespect to him, I just honestly think your two posts have been hilarious!

RuthSubj:  Re:A few thoughts/chemom
Date:  96-09-26 15:17:37 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Shannon, your husband's antics are cracking me up! You must have a very
interesting home life. :) Keep us posted, will you please? I mean no
disrespect to him, I just honestly think your two posts have been hilarious!

RuthSubj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-26 15:28:31 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<After she said she felt like a cold booger on a seat bottom.>>>

LOL! Never heard this one before. The visual image this conjures up is indeed
awful, so I guess itÆs a good description!

Ruth
Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-26 15:28:31 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

<<<After she said she felt like a cold booger on a seat bottom.>>>

LOL! Never heard this one before. The visual image this conjures up is indeed
awful, so I guess itÆs a good description!

Ruth
Subj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 15:38:04 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<I have also heard that NOW supports this decision by the school-another
reason why so many women think NOW is just a TAD bit extreme!>>

I also heard on the news that the school had distributed information to the
students about sexual harassment at the start of the school year and the
parents had to sign off on this info.  NOW COME ON - many many adults cannot
figure out what sexual harassment is, let alone grade school students.  If
this had been a case of older children grabbing girls or something, then
that's something to deal with right away and firmly.  I've heard of this kind
of stuff going on on school buses, etc.  However, a 6yo?  Common sense -
where is it these days?

LisaSubj:  Re: Hand washing
Date:  96-09-26 15:42:32 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

For those concerned about handwashing and bacteria, some information ...

In our supermarkets, each food preparation area (kitchen, bakery, produce,
meat, etc.) is required to have a hand sink, and this sink can ONLY be used
for washing hands. After any absence from the work station, an employee must
wash his/her hands in this sink with antibacterial soap and dry with a
disposable towel before resuming work. So even if you DO see an employee exit
the restroom without washing, he/she will have to wash at the work site upon
return. (Actually, the hand sinks in the food prep areas are cleaner than the
public restroom sinks).

Employees must take a 10-hour food safety and sanitation course before they
are allowed to handle fresh foods. One entire chapter in this course involves
hand washing. Proper handwashing technique:
  1. Wash hands in the hottest water you can comfortably stand (105 to 120
degrees).
  2. Moisten hands, apply antibacterial soap, and wash all exposed skin to
the forearms.
  3. Rub hands together, using vigorous friction, for 20 to 60 seconds.
  4. Pay particular attention to areas between the fingers and under the
nails.
  5. Rinse thoroughly in running water and dry with a disposable towel or
hot-air dryer.

They are also told when to wash their hands -- after using the restroom,
after sneezing (even into a handkerchief), after handling raw foods, after
touching any other areas of the body, after touching unsanitized work
surfaces, equipment or materials, after handling garbage, after handling
money, after smoking or using tobacco, and upon leaving and returning to the
department.

BTW ... did you know that a sneeze contains between 10,000 and 100,000
bacteria, and they are propelled thru the air at speeds of more than 200 mph?
(More fodder for the Jeopardy contestants out there :)

Ruth Subj:  Re: Hand washing
Date:  96-09-26 15:42:32 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

For those concerned about handwashing and bacteria, some information ...

In our supermarkets, each food preparation area (kitchen, bakery, produce,
meat, etc.) is required to have a hand sink, and this sink can ONLY be used
for washing hands. After any absence from the work station, an employee must
wash his/her hands in this sink with antibacterial soap and dry with a
disposable towel before resuming work. So even if you DO see an employee exit
the restroom without washing, he/she will have to wash at the work site upon
return. (Actually, the hand sinks in the food prep areas are cleaner than the
public restroom sinks).

Employees must take a 10-hour food safety and sanitation course before they
are allowed to handle fresh foods. One entire chapter in this course involves
hand washing. Proper handwashing technique:
  1. Wash hands in the hottest water you can comfortably stand (105 to 120
degrees).
  2. Moisten hands, apply antibacterial soap, and wash all exposed skin to
the forearms.
  3. Rub hands together, using vigorous friction, for 20 to 60 seconds.
  4. Pay particular attention to areas between the fingers and under the
nails.
  5. Rinse thoroughly in running water and dry with a disposable towel or
hot-air dryer.

They are also told when to wash their hands -- after using the restroom,
after sneezing (even into a handkerchief), after handling raw foods, after
touching any other areas of the body, after touching unsanitized work
surfaces, equipment or materials, after handling garbage, after handling
money, after smoking or using tobacco, and upon leaving and returning to the
department.

BTW ... did you know that a sneeze contains between 10,000 and 100,000
bacteria, and they are propelled thru the air at speeds of more than 200 mph?
(More fodder for the Jeopardy contestants out there :)

Ruth Subj:  Re: Hand washing
Date:  96-09-26 15:51:31 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Oh, one more thing about washing and bacteria ...

One of the news magazine shows (Dateline or one of them -- does anyone else
have trouble keeping them straight?) had a feature on cleanliness in the
home. There was one woman who swore that she was a cleanliness freak and was
always wiping up in the kitchen. Well, after she prepared dinner, they
applied some type of chemical to her kitchen that made bacteria glow -- and
her entire kitchen was glowing! She was practically in tears.

When the experts analyzed the tape, they pointed out that this woman was
compulsively wiping everything with the same dishcloth -- counters, utensils,
even her son's mouth when he came in covered with something sticky. She was
cross contaminating everything in the kitchen. The experts said dishcloths
are a breeding ground for bacteria. They advised people to use paper towels
instead of dishcloths.

Since I saw this, I still use dishcloths, but only one time, then they go
into a laundry bag under the sink. I'm using a lot more paper towels (the
generic kind :)

RuthSubj:  Re: Hand washing
Date:  96-09-26 15:51:31 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Oh, one more thing about washing and bacteria ...

One of the news magazine shows (Dateline or one of them -- does anyone else
have trouble keeping them straight?) had a feature on cleanliness in the
home. There was one woman who swore that she was a cleanliness freak and was
always wiping up in the kitchen. Well, after she prepared dinner, they
applied some type of chemical to her kitchen that made bacteria glow -- and
her entire kitchen was glowing! She was practically in tears.

When the experts analyzed the tape, they pointed out that this woman was
compulsively wiping everything with the same dishcloth -- counters, utensils,
even her son's mouth when he came in covered with something sticky. She was
cross contaminating everything in the kitchen. The experts said dishcloths
are a breeding ground for bacteria. They advised people to use paper towels
instead of dishcloths.

Since I saw this, I still use dishcloths, but only one time, then they go
into a laundry bag under the sink. I'm using a lot more paper towels (the
generic kind :)

RuthSubj:  Re: Hand washing
Date:  96-09-26 15:51:31 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

Oh, one more thing about washing and bacteria ...

One of the news magazine shows (Dateline or one of them -- does anyone else
have trouble keeping them straight?) had a feature on cleanliness in the
home. There was one woman who swore that she was a cleanliness freak and was
always wiping up in the kitchen. Well, after she prepared dinner, they
applied some type of chemical to her kitchen that made bacteria glow -- and
her entire kitchen was glowing! She was practically in tears.

When the experts analyzed the tape, they pointed out that this woman was
compulsively wiping everything with the same dishcloth -- counters, utensils,
even her son's mouth when he came in covered with something sticky. She was
cross contaminating everything in the kitchen. The experts said dishcloths
are a breeding ground for bacteria. They advised people to use paper towels
instead of dishcloths.

Since I saw this, I still use dishcloths, but only one time, then they go
into a laundry bag under the sink. I'm using a lot more paper towels (the
generic kind :)

RuthSubj:  Taters & Salt
Date:  96-09-26 16:00:34 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

Sheesh.  I thought it was just my silly dh and his family that ate raw
potates!!  He had one last night and asked if I wanted a bite.  Uh, no
thanks.  Did that the first time I was pregnant, and barfed.  But then, that
time around that's just about all I did.  : )

KatieSubj:  Taters & Salt
Date:  96-09-26 16:00:34 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

Sheesh.  I thought it was just my silly dh and his family that ate raw
potates!!  He had one last night and asked if I wanted a bite.  Uh, no
thanks.  Did that the first time I was pregnant, and barfed.  But then, that
time around that's just about all I did.  : )

KatieSubj:  Taters & Salt
Date:  96-09-26 16:00:34 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

Sheesh.  I thought it was just my silly dh and his family that ate raw
potates!!  He had one last night and asked if I wanted a bite.  Uh, no
thanks.  Did that the first time I was pregnant, and barfed.  But then, that
time around that's just about all I did.  : )

KatieSubj:  Taters & Salt
Date:  96-09-26 16:00:34 edt
From:  KaitIinE5
Posted on:  America Online

Sheesh.  I thought it was just my silly dh and his family that ate raw
potates!!  He had one last night and asked if I wanted a bite.  Uh, no
thanks.  Did that the first time I was pregnant, and barfed.  But then, that
time around that's just about all I did.  : )

KatieSubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 16:04:05 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

My father in law was there when Germany was liberated. ( think thats how you
say it) anyway, he talked about so many little children who died at the hands
of American GI's because all these scarecrows of humans were so hungry they
gave them anything and everything they had to eat. Their stomachs not being
used to food, gave them dysentery and it killed them. He told us of piles of
human bodies and the stench that was beyond imagination. As long as I live
I'll never forget these stories and these Skin heads, and Nazis, and KKK's
say it never happened. Idiocy will reign as long as humanbeings walk the
earth.Subj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 16:04:05 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

My father in law was there when Germany was liberated. ( think thats how you
say it) anyway, he talked about so many little children who died at the hands
of American GI's because all these scarecrows of humans were so hungry they
gave them anything and everything they had to eat. Their stomachs not being
used to food, gave them dysentery and it killed them. He told us of piles of
human bodies and the stench that was beyond imagination. As long as I live
I'll never forget these stories and these Skin heads, and Nazis, and KKK's
say it never happened. Idiocy will reign as long as humanbeings walk the
earth.Subj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 16:04:05 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

My father in law was there when Germany was liberated. ( think thats how you
say it) anyway, he talked about so many little children who died at the hands
of American GI's because all these scarecrows of humans were so hungry they
gave them anything and everything they had to eat. Their stomachs not being
used to food, gave them dysentery and it killed them. He told us of piles of
human bodies and the stench that was beyond imagination. As long as I live
I'll never forget these stories and these Skin heads, and Nazis, and KKK's
say it never happened. Idiocy will reign as long as humanbeings walk the
earth.Subj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 16:04:05 edt
From:  RedRopers
Posted on:  America Online

My father in law was there when Germany was liberated. ( think thats how you
say it) anyway, he talked about so many little children who died at the hands
of American GI's because all these scarecrows of humans were so hungry they
gave them anything and everything they had to eat. Their stomachs not being
used to food, gave them dysentery and it killed them. He told us of piles of
human bodies and the stench that was beyond imagination. As long as I live
I'll never forget these stories and these Skin heads, and Nazis, and KKK's
say it never happened. Idiocy will reign as long as humanbeings walk the
earth.Subj:  Re:Taters & Salt
Date:  96-09-26 16:36:55 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

My dh will take a bite out of a whole onion like it's an apple!  We both love
onion and garlic, so I guess we're a good match!  I don't eat either one by
the bite though!Subj:  Re:Taters & Salt
Date:  96-09-26 16:36:55 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

My dh will take a bite out of a whole onion like it's an apple!  We both love
onion and garlic, so I guess we're a good match!  I don't eat either one by
the bite though!Subj:  Re:Taters & Salt
Date:  96-09-26 16:36:55 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

My dh will take a bite out of a whole onion like it's an apple!  We both love
onion and garlic, so I guess we're a good match!  I don't eat either one by
the bite though!Subj:  Re:Taters & Salt
Date:  96-09-26 16:36:55 edt
From:  LaLaSos
Posted on:  America Online

My dh will take a bite out of a whole onion like it's an apple!  We both love
onion and garlic, so I guess we're a good match!  I don't eat either one by
the bite though!Subj:  Re: Hand washing
Date:  96-09-26 16:37:08 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<One of the news magazine shows (Dateline or one of them -- does anyone else
have trouble keeping them straight?) had a feature on cleanliness in the
home. There was one woman who swore that she was a cleanliness freak and was
always wiping up in the kitchen. Well, after she prepared dinner, they
applied some type of chemical to her kitchen that made bacteria glow -- and
her entire kitchen was glowing! She was practically in tears.>>

I am another who cannot keep those shows straight, although I do like 20/20
and Dateline - which is now on about 3 nights a week!

Anyway, I saw the same segment and was horrified (and yet evily gratified at
the same :->) at the bacteria in her kitchen.  While discussing this with a
few nurses in our 'hood, they did comment that this bacteria is virtually
everywhere and is almost impossible to get rid of totally.  Our bodies make
anti-viruses (this may be the wrong term) to combat the bacteria we pick up
on a daily basis otherwise we would all be sick all the time!

Of course, be especially careful around raw meats, eggs, etc...and do what
you can.  Just don't obsess was their point.

I STILL gag at a used dishrag, though!

LisaSubj:  Re: Hand washing
Date:  96-09-26 16:37:08 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<One of the news magazine shows (Dateline or one of them -- does anyone else
have trouble keeping them straight?) had a feature on cleanliness in the
home. There was one woman who swore that she was a cleanliness freak and was
always wiping up in the kitchen. Well, after she prepared dinner, they
applied some type of chemical to her kitchen that made bacteria glow -- and
her entire kitchen was glowing! She was practically in tears.>>

I am another who cannot keep those shows straight, although I do like 20/20
and Dateline - which is now on about 3 nights a week!

Anyway, I saw the same segment and was horrified (and yet evily gratified at
the same :->) at the bacteria in her kitchen.  While discussing this with a
few nurses in our 'hood, they did comment that this bacteria is virtually
everywhere and is almost impossible to get rid of totally.  Our bodies make
anti-viruses (this may be the wrong term) to combat the bacteria we pick up
on a daily basis otherwise we would all be sick all the time!

Of course, be especially careful around raw meats, eggs, etc...and do what
you can.  Just don't obsess was their point.

I STILL gag at a used dishrag, though!

LisaSubj:  Re: Hand washing
Date:  96-09-26 16:37:08 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<One of the news magazine shows (Dateline or one of them -- does anyone else
have trouble keeping them straight?) had a feature on cleanliness in the
home. There was one woman who swore that she was a cleanliness freak and was
always wiping up in the kitchen. Well, after she prepared dinner, they
applied some type of chemical to her kitchen that made bacteria glow -- and
her entire kitchen was glowing! She was practically in tears.>>

I am another who cannot keep those shows straight, although I do like 20/20
and Dateline - which is now on about 3 nights a week!

Anyway, I saw the same segment and was horrified (and yet evily gratified at
the same :->) at the bacteria in her kitchen.  While discussing this with a
few nurses in our 'hood, they did comment that this bacteria is virtually
everywhere and is almost impossible to get rid of totally.  Our bodies make
anti-viruses (this may be the wrong term) to combat the bacteria we pick up
on a daily basis otherwise we would all be sick all the time!

Of course, be especially careful around raw meats, eggs, etc...and do what
you can.  Just don't obsess was their point.

I STILL gag at a used dishrag, though!

LisaSubj:  Re:trophy children/not Work!
Date:  96-09-26 16:55:36 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I for one did read the post-I said the attitude expressed by the kindergarten
teacher made me want to vomit.  Unfortunately, that attitude (stereotype) is
shared by others-it was this that I was commenting on-I never mentioned
anyone by name or used "quotes" from other posts.

KerrySubj:  Re:trophy children/not Work!
Date:  96-09-26 16:55:36 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I for one did read the post-I said the attitude expressed by the kindergarten
teacher made me want to vomit.  Unfortunately, that attitude (stereotype) is
shared by others-it was this that I was commenting on-I never mentioned
anyone by name or used "quotes" from other posts.

KerrySubj:  Mayonaise Sandwiches
Date:  96-09-26 17:09:31 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

Ahhh, someone after my own heart.  I love mayo sandwiches.  Glad to hear I am
not
the only crazy one Momto27517 (Your name is Rhonda right??)

kellySubj:  Mayonaise Sandwiches
Date:  96-09-26 17:09:31 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

Ahhh, someone after my own heart.  I love mayo sandwiches.  Glad to hear I am
not
the only crazy one Momto27517 (Your name is Rhonda right??)

kellySubj:  Mayonaise Sandwiches
Date:  96-09-26 17:09:31 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

Ahhh, someone after my own heart.  I love mayo sandwiches.  Glad to hear I am
not
the only crazy one Momto27517 (Your name is Rhonda right??)

kellySubj:  Weird things to eat
Date:  96-09-26 17:11:11 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry, dont like that kind of Pizza.  Plain Cheese Pizza for me :)  And
applesause
sandwiches, YUK :▐

kellySubj:  Weird things to eat
Date:  96-09-26 17:11:11 edt
From:  MEGBRAN
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry, dont like that kind of Pizza.  Plain Cheese Pizza for me :)  And
applesause
sandwiches, YUK :▐

kellySubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 17:29:41 edt
From:  Sheaxpress
Posted on:  America Online

You know what?  Somehow I knew someone would get into the topic of race
sooner or later on this board.
I'm African-American and I absolutely think we need to have Black History
month.  Why can't we be in the spotlight for one lousy month of the year?
It's the only time when white America seems to really acknowledge blacks and
their contributions to this society.
Am I bitter?  NO!
Just tired of not being acknowledged.  And I'm sure other minority groups
feel the same.

ChanizeSubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 17:29:41 edt
From:  Sheaxpress
Posted on:  America Online

You know what?  Somehow I knew someone would get into the topic of race
sooner or later on this board.
I'm African-American and I absolutely think we need to have Black History
month.  Why can't we be in the spotlight for one lousy month of the year?
It's the only time when white America seems to really acknowledge blacks and
their contributions to this society.
Am I bitter?  NO!
Just tired of not being acknowledged.  And I'm sure other minority groups
feel the same.

ChanizeSubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 17:36:59 edt
From:  MMcroberts
Posted on:  America Online

Chanize,

I don't blame you a bit about feeling left out of the history books.  I was
just hoping that the contributions of Black Americans could be put in the
history books where it was meant to be in the first place!  I think that by
singling it out as Black history month it seperates us even further.  IMHO I
was not trying to bring up the dreaded "Race" topic everyone seems to fear so
much.

Amy Subj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 17:36:59 edt
From:  MMcroberts
Posted on:  America Online

Chanize,

I don't blame you a bit about feeling left out of the history books.  I was
just hoping that the contributions of Black Americans could be put in the
history books where it was meant to be in the first place!  I think that by
singling it out as Black history month it seperates us even further.  IMHO I
was not trying to bring up the dreaded "Race" topic everyone seems to fear so
much.

Amy Subj:  a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 17:49:07 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

In upstate NY something happened a few nights ago.   Some of you may have
heard this already.

A group of teens and a few adults wanted to go skating.  The place was closed
so they went to a Stewarts shop for ice cream.  The adults did not go in.
The teens got unruley or rowdy in the store and were asked to leave.  They
did.  A few minutes later one of the adults went to the store to find out
what had happened and the clerk would not let her in the store.  The group of
people were African Americans and are now sueing Stewarts to the tune of 17
million bucks claiming  this is a racial issue and prejudice.   Any comments?

Subj:  a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 17:49:07 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

In upstate NY something happened a few nights ago.   Some of you may have
heard this already.

A group of teens and a few adults wanted to go skating.  The place was closed
so they went to a Stewarts shop for ice cream.  The adults did not go in.
The teens got unruley or rowdy in the store and were asked to leave.  They
did.  A few minutes later one of the adults went to the store to find out
what had happened and the clerk would not let her in the store.  The group of
people were African Americans and are now sueing Stewarts to the tune of 17
million bucks claiming  this is a racial issue and prejudice.   Any comments?

Subj:  School dress codes
Date:  96-09-26 17:52:27 edt
From:  TSimon3916
Posted on:  America Online

What about this.....
At a small public school close to where I live, a twelve year old boy was
sent home because his hair violated the dress code. He has a tail.  The dress
code states that  boys should not have hair past their collars.  The mother
is going to sue because of this.  I would just like to get opinions!Subj:
School dress codes
Date:  96-09-26 17:52:27 edt
From:  TSimon3916
Posted on:  America Online

What about this.....
At a small public school close to where I live, a twelve year old boy was
sent home because his hair violated the dress code. He has a tail.  The dress
code states that  boys should not have hair past their collars.  The mother
is going to sue because of this.  I would just like to get opinions!Subj:
Re:Raw things
Date:  96-09-26 17:54:56 edt
From:  ONEWEEB
Posted on:  America Online

I've never done the mayo sandwich, only because I grew up using Miracle Whip
instead. Yummy!

LisaSubj:  Re:Raw things
Date:  96-09-26 17:54:56 edt
From:  ONEWEEB
Posted on:  America Online

I've never done the mayo sandwich, only because I grew up using Miracle Whip
instead. Yummy!

LisaSubj:  Re:Raw things
Date:  96-09-26 17:57:36 edt
From:  ONEWEEB
Posted on:  America Online

I also like to eat raw potatoes, but without salt. I use the salt on my
apples.

LisaSubj:  Re:Raw things
Date:  96-09-26 17:57:36 edt
From:  ONEWEEB
Posted on:  America Online

I also like to eat raw potatoes, but without salt. I use the salt on my
apples.

LisaSubj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-26 18:09:35 edt
From:  MaVitale
Posted on:  America Online

<<As a soon to be mom, dh and I have discussed this subject at length.  We
both believe that a spanking should be one swat on the hind end that causes
no pain.  It is meant to show the child that we "mean business and we mean it
now".  It is reserved for situations such as running too close to the road or
having fingers near an outlet and would be accompanied by a discussion of
what the child did wrong and why it was wrong.>>

I'm always non-plussed at this logic: "I'm going to hurt you now to teach you
not to hurt yourself...".  Why can't you convey "I mean business" with words?
Believe me, it's hard enough to teach your child to "use words" a LOT without
sending that mixed message that it's ok for YOU to hit, but not for him/her
to do it. And when you use hitting (I REFUSE to use the euphamism "spanking")
as the way to say "I mean business" a child will push you to that point every
time.

Oh and have you discussed this? How hard do you hit an 8 year old? A 12 year
old? A 16 year old? Kids get *harder* to raise as they grow, not easier...I
suggest you find ways to discipline that you can use throughout your child's
life.

Also, after you've given birth an see what loving a child is really about,
you may change your attitude.

Marian Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-26 18:09:35 edt
From:  MaVitale
Posted on:  America Online

<<As a soon to be mom, dh and I have discussed this subject at length.  We
both believe that a spanking should be one swat on the hind end that causes
no pain.  It is meant to show the child that we "mean business and we mean it
now".  It is reserved for situations such as running too close to the road or
having fingers near an outlet and would be accompanied by a discussion of
what the child did wrong and why it was wrong.>>

I'm always non-plussed at this logic: "I'm going to hurt you now to teach you
not to hurt yourself...".  Why can't you convey "I mean business" with words?
Believe me, it's hard enough to teach your child to "use words" a LOT without
sending that mixed message that it's ok for YOU to hit, but not for him/her
to do it. And when you use hitting (I REFUSE to use the euphamism "spanking")
as the way to say "I mean business" a child will push you to that point every
time.

Oh and have you discussed this? How hard do you hit an 8 year old? A 12 year
old? A 16 year old? Kids get *harder* to raise as they grow, not easier...I
suggest you find ways to discipline that you can use throughout your child's
life.

Also, after you've given birth an see what loving a child is really about,
you may change your attitude.

Marian Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-26 18:09:35 edt
From:  MaVitale
Posted on:  America Online

<<As a soon to be mom, dh and I have discussed this subject at length.  We
both believe that a spanking should be one swat on the hind end that causes
no pain.  It is meant to show the child that we "mean business and we mean it
now".  It is reserved for situations such as running too close to the road or
having fingers near an outlet and would be accompanied by a discussion of
what the child did wrong and why it was wrong.>>

I'm always non-plussed at this logic: "I'm going to hurt you now to teach you
not to hurt yourself...".  Why can't you convey "I mean business" with words?
Believe me, it's hard enough to teach your child to "use words" a LOT without
sending that mixed message that it's ok for YOU to hit, but not for him/her
to do it. And when you use hitting (I REFUSE to use the euphamism "spanking")
as the way to say "I mean business" a child will push you to that point every
time.

Oh and have you discussed this? How hard do you hit an 8 year old? A 12 year
old? A 16 year old? Kids get *harder* to raise as they grow, not easier...I
suggest you find ways to discipline that you can use throughout your child's
life.

Also, after you've given birth an see what loving a child is really about,
you may change your attitude.

Marian Subj:  Re:trophy children/not Work!
Date:  96-09-26 18:17:51 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

Well, sorry, I saw that post under "work" and I responded to it.  I apologize
for the misunderstanding...
Kay
(operating on negative sleep)Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-26 18:20:57 edt
From:  Juliesacks
Posted on:  America Online

Hey everyone, be sure to read this week's MaZine essay on daycare, and
whether it is *GOOD* for kids or not....I printed it and took it to my
part-time provider, and she found it very interesting...says it explains alot
about why some of the kids in her charge act out. It's not the daycare, per
se, but the *parenting* after the daycare that makes a child what he/she is.
This also plays into the Trophy Child syndrome...I heard of a mom (use that
term lightly) who has her kid in childcare 8 hrs/day, 5 days/wk...and did NOT
work. Spends her time going shopping, gym, etc. I mean, what's the point of
having a child?

I really believe my boy loves daycare, and because DH & I both WAH, the time
that my boy spends away from here allows us to get ALOT done, and allows me
to be completely present for him when he is home. Believe me when I tell you,
when I was pg, I never even *thought* about daycare, because I thought I
would be able to get all my work done while the baby napped....LOLOLOLOL.
Licensed home daycare has been the answer to my prayers.Subj:  Re: work
Date:  96-09-26 18:20:57 edt
From:  Juliesacks
Posted on:  America Online

Hey everyone, be sure to read this week's MaZine essay on daycare, and
whether it is *GOOD* for kids or not....I printed it and took it to my
part-time provider, and she found it very interesting...says it explains alot
about why some of the kids in her charge act out. It's not the daycare, per
se, but the *parenting* after the daycare that makes a child what he/she is.
This also plays into the Trophy Child syndrome...I heard of a mom (use that
term lightly) who has her kid in childcare 8 hrs/day, 5 days/wk...and did NOT
work. Spends her time going shopping, gym, etc. I mean, what's the point of
having a child?

I really believe my boy loves daycare, and because DH & I both WAH, the time
that my boy spends away from here allows us to get ALOT done, and allows me
to be completely present for him when he is home. Believe me when I tell you,
when I was pg, I never even *thought* about daycare, because I thought I
would be able to get all my work done while the baby napped....LOLOLOLOL.
Licensed home daycare has been the answer to my prayers.Subj:  Re:
work/subsidized daycare
Date:  96-09-26 18:21:53 edt
From:  Barb21464
Posted on:  America Online

I also believe that taxes are high enough but I have to add that subsidized
day-care is now a necessity in today's world.  In a perfect society people
would not have children if they could not afford them, they would plan ahead
and think of what the consequences would be.  Working alternate shifts is not
always possible.  I think that that our country should start spending our tax
money on it's citizens (and legal immigrants) and stop worrying about other
countries.  It's just a thought.
BarbaraSubj:  Re: work/subsidized daycare
Date:  96-09-26 18:21:53 edt
From:  Barb21464
Posted on:  America Online

I also believe that taxes are high enough but I have to add that subsidized
day-care is now a necessity in today's world.  In a perfect society people
would not have children if they could not afford them, they would plan ahead
and think of what the consequences would be.  Working alternate shifts is not
always possible.  I think that that our country should start spending our tax
money on it's citizens (and legal immigrants) and stop worrying about other
countries.  It's just a thought.
BarbaraSubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-26 18:26:30 edt
From:  Barb21464
Posted on:  America Online

AMEN!  I confess.  I do not touch anything in a public bathroom if it is at
all possible.  I am teaching this to my 41/2 yr. old daughter.  Feet are
(shoe or sneaker clad) are wonderful appendages.

:) BarbSubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-26 18:26:30 edt
From:  Barb21464
Posted on:  America Online

AMEN!  I confess.  I do not touch anything in a public bathroom if it is at
all possible.  I am teaching this to my 41/2 yr. old daughter.  Feet are
(shoe or sneaker clad) are wonderful appendages.

:) BarbSubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-26 18:26:30 edt
From:  Barb21464
Posted on:  America Online

AMEN!  I confess.  I do not touch anything in a public bathroom if it is at
all possible.  I am teaching this to my 41/2 yr. old daughter.  Feet are
(shoe or sneaker clad) are wonderful appendages.

:) BarbSubj:  Re:non hand washing
Date:  96-09-26 18:26:30 edt
From:  Barb21464
Posted on:  America Online

AMEN!  I confess.  I do not touch anything in a public bathroom if it is at
all possible.  I am teaching this to my 41/2 yr. old daughter.  Feet are
(shoe or sneaker clad) are wonderful appendages.

:) BarbSubj:  Re: work/subsidized daycare
Date:  96-09-26 18:27:31 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

I agree with Barbara about spending money on our own citizens vs. other
country's.  Not to get into some political debate, but I saw something on NBC
(I thinkit  was NBC...) about Kuwait and the troops who are there.  They live
in tents in the middle of the desert; it's 100 degrees and they're wearing
fatigues... meanwhile, the Kuwaitis (who are, i belive, some of the
wealthiest people in the world) live in splendor and plush elegance.   Why
should we spend money on them when there is SO MUCH need here in the States.
I am not making a political issue out of it; R. or D., it makes no
difference.  I mean, I understand the Bosnian thing; I was there last summer
(well, in Croatia) and they are POOR.  Still plowing fields with oxen, etc.
But... sorry, I'm rambling... I am very tired and hoping to go into labor
soon...
kay
Subj:  Re: work/subsidized daycare
Date:  96-09-26 18:27:31 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

I agree with Barbara about spending money on our own citizens vs. other
country's.  Not to get into some political debate, but I saw something on NBC
(I thinkit  was NBC...) about Kuwait and the troops who are there.  They live
in tents in the middle of the desert; it's 100 degrees and they're wearing
fatigues... meanwhile, the Kuwaitis (who are, i belive, some of the
wealthiest people in the world) live in splendor and plush elegance.   Why
should we spend money on them when there is SO MUCH need here in the States.
I am not making a political issue out of it; R. or D., it makes no
difference.  I mean, I understand the Bosnian thing; I was there last summer
(well, in Croatia) and they are POOR.  Still plowing fields with oxen, etc.
But... sorry, I'm rambling... I am very tired and hoping to go into labor
soon...
kay
Subj:  Re: work/subsidized daycare
Date:  96-09-26 18:27:31 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

I agree with Barbara about spending money on our own citizens vs. other
country's.  Not to get into some political debate, but I saw something on NBC
(I thinkit  was NBC...) about Kuwait and the troops who are there.  They live
in tents in the middle of the desert; it's 100 degrees and they're wearing
fatigues... meanwhile, the Kuwaitis (who are, i belive, some of the
wealthiest people in the world) live in splendor and plush elegance.   Why
should we spend money on them when there is SO MUCH need here in the States.
I am not making a political issue out of it; R. or D., it makes no
difference.  I mean, I understand the Bosnian thing; I was there last summer
(well, in Croatia) and they are POOR.  Still plowing fields with oxen, etc.
But... sorry, I'm rambling... I am very tired and hoping to go into labor
soon...
kay
Subj:  Re: work/subsidized daycare
Date:  96-09-26 18:27:31 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

I agree with Barbara about spending money on our own citizens vs. other
country's.  Not to get into some political debate, but I saw something on NBC
(I thinkit  was NBC...) about Kuwait and the troops who are there.  They live
in tents in the middle of the desert; it's 100 degrees and they're wearing
fatigues... meanwhile, the Kuwaitis (who are, i belive, some of the
wealthiest people in the world) live in splendor and plush elegance.   Why
should we spend money on them when there is SO MUCH need here in the States.
I am not making a political issue out of it; R. or D., it makes no
difference.  I mean, I understand the Bosnian thing; I was there last summer
(well, in Croatia) and they are POOR.  Still plowing fields with oxen, etc.
But... sorry, I'm rambling... I am very tired and hoping to go into labor
soon...
kay
Subj:  Re: work/subsidized daycare
Date:  96-09-26 18:27:31 edt
From:  KFulayter
Posted on:  America Online

I agree with Barbara about spending money on our own citizens vs. other
country's.  Not to get into some political debate, but I saw something on NBC
(I thinkit  was NBC...) about Kuwait and the troops who are there.  They live
in tents in the middle of the desert; it's 100 degrees and they're wearing
fatigues... meanwhile, the Kuwaitis (who are, i belive, some of the
wealthiest people in the world) live in splendor and plush elegance.   Why
should we spend money on them when there is SO MUCH need here in the States.
I am not making a political issue out of it; R. or D., it makes no
difference.  I mean, I understand the Bosnian thing; I was there last summer
(well, in Croatia) and they are POOR.  Still plowing fields with oxen, etc.
But... sorry, I'm rambling... I am very tired and hoping to go into labor
soon...
kay
Subj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 18:31:39 edt
From:  Barb21464
Posted on:  America Online

If there were kid friendly or oriented restaurants in my neighborhood, I
personally would see to it that they would never be slow.  giggle :)

BarbaraSubj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 18:31:39 edt
From:  Barb21464
Posted on:  America Online

If there were kid friendly or oriented restaurants in my neighborhood, I
personally would see to it that they would never be slow.  giggle :)

BarbaraSubj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 18:31:39 edt
From:  Barb21464
Posted on:  America Online

If there were kid friendly or oriented restaurants in my neighborhood, I
personally would see to it that they would never be slow.  giggle :)

BarbaraSubj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 18:31:39 edt
From:  Barb21464
Posted on:  America Online

If there were kid friendly or oriented restaurants in my neighborhood, I
personally would see to it that they would never be slow.  giggle :)

BarbaraSubj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 18:31:39 edt
From:  Barb21464
Posted on:  America Online

If there were kid friendly or oriented restaurants in my neighborhood, I
personally would see to it that they would never be slow.  giggle :)

BarbaraSubj:  Re:sinks
Date:  96-09-26 18:31:39 edt
From:  Barb21464
Posted on:  America Online

If there were kid friendly or oriented restaurants in my neighborhood, I
personally would see to it that they would never be slow.  giggle :)

BarbaraSubj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-26 18:34:35 edt
From:  Juliesacks
Posted on:  America Online

I have to admit (hate to admit?) that I feel spanking DOES have a place, and
that is when the child has REPEATEDLY (definite emphasis here) done something
that is DANGEROUS to himself or others (running in the street, play with
fire, you get the drift) - and only AFTER the error of his/her ways has been
clearly explained. My son knows when something is a *spanking offense*
because  it is something he has done before, and has been told not to repeat
and why. This usually avoids having to actually spank. In fact, it has only
happened one time. I hope that will be the only time.

 I learned this from my parents, and both older sisters use this philosophy
(they have 2 kids ea), and I think we all turned out pretty well. As a matter
of fact, I only remember being spanked once in MY life. Hmmmmmm.

I am pretty new here...I hope I don't have to duck too much
flaming....;)Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-26 18:34:35 edt
From:  Juliesacks
Posted on:  America Online

I have to admit (hate to admit?) that I feel spanking DOES have a place, and
that is when the child has REPEATEDLY (definite emphasis here) done something
that is DANGEROUS to himself or others (running in the street, play with
fire, you get the drift) - and only AFTER the error of his/her ways has been
clearly explained. My son knows when something is a *spanking offense*
because  it is something he has done before, and has been told not to repeat
and why. This usually avoids having to actually spank. In fact, it has only
happened one time. I hope that will be the only time.

 I learned this from my parents, and both older sisters use this philosophy
(they have 2 kids ea), and I think we all turned out pretty well. As a matter
of fact, I only remember being spanked once in MY life. Hmmmmmm.

I am pretty new here...I hope I don't have to duck too much
flaming....;)Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-26 18:34:35 edt
From:  Juliesacks
Posted on:  America Online

I have to admit (hate to admit?) that I feel spanking DOES have a place, and
that is when the child has REPEATEDLY (definite emphasis here) done something
that is DANGEROUS to himself or others (running in the street, play with
fire, you get the drift) - and only AFTER the error of his/her ways has been
clearly explained. My son knows when something is a *spanking offense*
because  it is something he has done before, and has been told not to repeat
and why. This usually avoids having to actually spank. In fact, it has only
happened one time. I hope that will be the only time.

 I learned this from my parents, and both older sisters use this philosophy
(they have 2 kids ea), and I think we all turned out pretty well. As a matter
of fact, I only remember being spanked once in MY life. Hmmmmmm.

I am pretty new here...I hope I don't have to duck too much
flaming....;)Subj:  Re:Spanking..... oh, yes...
Date:  96-09-26 18:34:35 edt
From:  Juliesacks
Posted on:  America Online

I have to admit (hate to admit?) that I feel spanking DOES have a place, and
that is when the child has REPEATEDLY (definite emphasis here) done something
that is DANGEROUS to himself or others (running in the street, play with
fire, you get the drift) - and only AFTER the error of his/her ways has been
clearly explained. My son knows when something is a *spanking offense*
because  it is something he has done before, and has been told not to repeat
and why. This usually avoids having to actually spank. In fact, it has only
happened one time. I hope that will be the only time.

 I learned this from my parents, and both older sisters use this philosophy
(they have 2 kids ea), and I think we all turned out pretty well. As a matter
of fact, I only remember being spanked once in MY life. Hmmmmmm.

I am pretty new here...I hope I don't have to duck too much
flaming....;)Subj:  Re: work/subsidized daycare
Date:  96-09-26 18:38:31 edt
From:  Barb21464
Posted on:  America Online

Thank you.  These were my thought's exactly but after a double shft, I am not
a writer of great prose.

Barb:)Subj:  Re: work/subsidized daycare
Date:  96-09-26 18:38:31 edt
From:  Barb21464
Posted on:  America Online

Thank you.  These were my thought's exactly but after a double shft, I am not
a writer of great prose.

Barb:)Subj:  Re: work/subsidized daycare
Date:  96-09-26 18:38:31 edt
From:  Barb21464
Posted on:  America Online

Thank you.  These were my thought's exactly but after a double shft, I am not
a writer of great prose.

Barb:)Subj:  Re: work/subsidized daycare
Date:  96-09-26 18:38:31 edt
From:  Barb21464
Posted on:  America Online

Thank you.  These were my thought's exactly but after a double shft, I am not
a writer of great prose.

Barb:)Subj:  Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-26 18:42:37 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

<<<>>I can't imagine what it is you would be doing that you would need to
leave your family for an entire night. (FIL comment) .... Your just lucky
your husband understands women of the '90s, cause I sure don't. (More FIL
comments)<<

Your FIL gets my male-chavanist award nomination!!  How can you stay polite
and keep a straight face?  You must have a huge amount of patience and
tolerance.....>>>>

Actually, I really like my FIL -- I like my husband's whole family -- they
just SAY the most ridiculous things. Usually when I get REAL quiet -- they
know something is wrong, because I'm usually pretty talkative and active in
conversations. But my SIL has been around all summer, and she has such a big
mouth, that I don't think anyone has noticed what's really going on during
family gatherings. You could say I've lost my edge! Before my MIL would
realize that I wasn't saying anything, and then quickly broach the subject
about what could be wrong. Then I'd tell them. So they've been running a
little wild this summer -- tramping all over me so to speak -- but I figure
the SIL will be gone (for good) soon, so we can go back to their evolvment
training!!!!
Subj:  Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-26 18:42:37 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

<<<>>I can't imagine what it is you would be doing that you would need to
leave your family for an entire night. (FIL comment) .... Your just lucky
your husband understands women of the '90s, cause I sure don't. (More FIL
comments)<<

Your FIL gets my male-chavanist award nomination!!  How can you stay polite
and keep a straight face?  You must have a huge amount of patience and
tolerance.....>>>>

Actually, I really like my FIL -- I like my husband's whole family -- they
just SAY the most ridiculous things. Usually when I get REAL quiet -- they
know something is wrong, because I'm usually pretty talkative and active in
conversations. But my SIL has been around all summer, and she has such a big
mouth, that I don't think anyone has noticed what's really going on during
family gatherings. You could say I've lost my edge! Before my MIL would
realize that I wasn't saying anything, and then quickly broach the subject
about what could be wrong. Then I'd tell them. So they've been running a
little wild this summer -- tramping all over me so to speak -- but I figure
the SIL will be gone (for good) soon, so we can go back to their evolvment
training!!!!
Subj:  Re:Dads "babysitting"
Date:  96-09-26 18:42:37 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

<<<>>I can't imagine what it is you would be doing that you would need to
leave your family for an entire night. (FIL comment) .... Your just lucky
your husband understands women of the '90s, cause I sure don't. (More FIL
comments)<<

Your FIL gets my male-chavanist award nomination!!  How can you stay polite
and keep a straight face?  You must have a huge amount of patience and
tolerance.....>>>>

Actually, I really like my FIL -- I like my husband's whole family -- they
just SAY the most ridiculous things. Usually when I get REAL quiet -- they
know something is wrong, because I'm usually pretty talkative and active in
conversations. But my SIL has been around all summer, and she has such a big
mouth, that I don't think anyone has noticed what's really going on during
family gatherings. You could say I've lost my edge! Before my MIL would
realize that I wasn't saying anything, and then quickly broach the subject
about what could be wrong. Then I'd tell them. So they've been running a
little wild this summer -- tramping all over me so to speak -- but I figure
the SIL will be gone (for good) soon, so we can go back to their evolvment
training!!!!
Subj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 18:45:30 edt
From:  Juliesacks
Posted on:  America Online

Uh oh...this sounds dangerously close to "She Cried No".....doesn't anyone
remember stealing kisses in kindergarten? When I was 5, a little boy had a
crush on me and showed his attraction by UNTYING MY SHOELACES...I guess in
these days and PC times, this could be construed as sexual harassment. Maybe
I should sue, because I am suddenly experiencing my repressed memories???
What about playing doctor? What about the natural curiosity of children? Has
everybody lost their mind?

Whew, I feel better now ;)Subj:  Re:sexual harrassment??!!
Date:  96-09-26 18:45:30 edt
From:  Juliesacks
Posted on:  America Online

Uh oh...this sounds dangerously close to "She Cried No".....doesn't anyone
remember stealing kisses in kindergarten? When I was 5, a little boy had a
crush on me and showed his attraction by UNTYING MY SHOELACES...I guess in
these days and PC times, this could be construed as sexual harassment. Maybe
I should sue, because I am suddenly experiencing my repressed memories???
What about playing doctor? What about the natural curiosity of children? Has
everybody lost their mind?

Whew, I feel better now ;)Subj:  Re:School dress codes
Date:  96-09-26 18:48:37 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

There's that word again ... SUE! Over a 12-year-old's hair? I'd love to see
how they justify this one in court. And we wonder why there are so many
people in this country who think the rules just don't apply to them ...

Sorry ... I think I'm having a bad hair day myself ...

RuthSubj:  Re:School dress codes
Date:  96-09-26 18:48:37 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

There's that word again ... SUE! Over a 12-year-old's hair? I'd love to see
how they justify this one in court. And we wonder why there are so many
people in this country who think the rules just don't apply to them ...

Sorry ... I think I'm having a bad hair day myself ...

RuthSubj:  Re:School dress codes
Date:  96-09-26 18:48:37 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

There's that word again ... SUE! Over a 12-year-old's hair? I'd love to see
how they justify this one in court. And we wonder why there are so many
people in this country who think the rules just don't apply to them ...

Sorry ... I think I'm having a bad hair day myself ...

RuthSubj:  Re:School dress codes
Date:  96-09-26 18:51:03 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

<<<What about this.....
At a small public school close to where I live, a twelve year old boy was
sent home because his hair violated the dress code. He has a tail.  The dress
code states that  boys should not have hair past their collars.  The mother
is going to sue because of this.  I would just like to get opinions!>>>

You mean that the hairdressers left that piece of hair there on PURPOSE? I
always thought I was performing a public service when I cut those off the
heads of those poor children. Sigh. They just looked sooooooo stupid, like a
sign someone sticks on your back saying "KICK ME".Subj:  Re:School dress
codes
Date:  96-09-26 18:51:03 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

<<<What about this.....
At a small public school close to where I live, a twelve year old boy was
sent home because his hair violated the dress code. He has a tail.  The dress
code states that  boys should not have hair past their collars.  The mother
is going to sue because of this.  I would just like to get opinions!>>>

You mean that the hairdressers left that piece of hair there on PURPOSE? I
always thought I was performing a public service when I cut those off the
heads of those poor children. Sigh. They just looked sooooooo stupid, like a
sign someone sticks on your back saying "KICK ME".Subj:  Re:School dress
codes
Date:  96-09-26 18:51:03 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

<<<What about this.....
At a small public school close to where I live, a twelve year old boy was
sent home because his hair violated the dress code. He has a tail.  The dress
code states that  boys should not have hair past their collars.  The mother
is going to sue because of this.  I would just like to get opinions!>>>

You mean that the hairdressers left that piece of hair there on PURPOSE? I
always thought I was performing a public service when I cut those off the
heads of those poor children. Sigh. They just looked sooooooo stupid, like a
sign someone sticks on your back saying "KICK ME".Subj:  Re:School dress
codes
Date:  96-09-26 18:51:03 edt
From:  Hapeli
Posted on:  America Online

<<<What about this.....
At a small public school close to where I live, a twelve year old boy was
sent home because his hair violated the dress code. He has a tail.  The dress
code states that  boys should not have hair past their collars.  The mother
is going to sue because of this.  I would just like to get opinions!>>>

You mean that the hairdressers left that piece of hair there on PURPOSE? I
always thought I was performing a public service when I cut those off the
heads of those poor children. Sigh. They just looked sooooooo stupid, like a
sign someone sticks on your back saying "KICK ME".Subj:  Re:Cosmopolitan
Date:  96-09-26 18:57:52 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

What is the deal with Cosmo and some of the other women's "fashion" (for lack
of a better description) magazines? The covers of Cosmo have been getting
increasingly racy of late (I don't buy it, but it's prominently displayed on
the checkstand racks). This month's cover shows the typical vacant-eyed
anorexic wearing (and I use that term loosely) some kind of blouse unbuttoned
down to her waist, with most of her breasts exposed.

If a men's magazine featured something like this on its cover, we'd put it in
the same category as Playboy or Penthouse ... but this is a magazine
supposedly published by and for women. Do women really look at these Cosmo
girls on the cover and think, "I'd like to be her?" Can someone please
explain the point, because I really don't "get it" on this one.

RuthSubj:  Re:Cosmopolitan
Date:  96-09-26 18:57:52 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

What is the deal with Cosmo and some of the other women's "fashion" (for lack
of a better description) magazines? The covers of Cosmo have been getting
increasingly racy of late (I don't buy it, but it's prominently displayed on
the checkstand racks). This month's cover shows the typical vacant-eyed
anorexic wearing (and I use that term loosely) some kind of blouse unbuttoned
down to her waist, with most of her breasts exposed.

If a men's magazine featured something like this on its cover, we'd put it in
the same category as Playboy or Penthouse ... but this is a magazine
supposedly published by and for women. Do women really look at these Cosmo
girls on the cover and think, "I'd like to be her?" Can someone please
explain the point, because I really don't "get it" on this one.

RuthSubj:  Re:Cosmopolitan
Date:  96-09-26 18:57:52 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

What is the deal with Cosmo and some of the other women's "fashion" (for lack
of a better description) magazines? The covers of Cosmo have been getting
increasingly racy of late (I don't buy it, but it's prominently displayed on
the checkstand racks). This month's cover shows the typical vacant-eyed
anorexic wearing (and I use that term loosely) some kind of blouse unbuttoned
down to her waist, with most of her breasts exposed.

If a men's magazine featured something like this on its cover, we'd put it in
the same category as Playboy or Penthouse ... but this is a magazine
supposedly published by and for women. Do women really look at these Cosmo
girls on the cover and think, "I'd like to be her?" Can someone please
explain the point, because I really don't "get it" on this one.

RuthSubj:  Re:Cosmopolitan
Date:  96-09-26 18:57:52 edt
From:  CorrieMom
Posted on:  America Online

What is the deal with Cosmo and some of the other women's "fashion" (for lack
of a better description) magazines? The covers of Cosmo have been getting
increasingly racy of late (I don't buy it, but it's prominently displayed on
the checkstand racks). This month's cover shows the typical vacant-eyed
anorexic wearing (and I use that term loosely) some kind of blouse unbuttoned
down to her waist, with most of her breasts exposed.

If a men's magazine featured something like this on its cover, we'd put it in
the same category as Playboy or Penthouse ... but this is a magazine
supposedly published by and for women. Do women really look at these Cosmo
girls on the cover and think, "I'd like to be her?" Can someone please
explain the point, because I really don't "get it" on this one.

RuthSubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 19:06:31 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I agree with you sheax-as long as our society is essentially racist there
needs to be a black history month.  There is no "white" history month because
essentially all history told is told from the white, european perspective.
Maybe some day, when we all have our act together-there will be no need for
black history month. It will just be "history" period.

KerrySubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 19:06:31 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I agree with you sheax-as long as our society is essentially racist there
needs to be a black history month.  There is no "white" history month because
essentially all history told is told from the white, european perspective.
Maybe some day, when we all have our act together-there will be no need for
black history month. It will just be "history" period.

KerrySubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 19:06:31 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I agree with you sheax-as long as our society is essentially racist there
needs to be a black history month.  There is no "white" history month because
essentially all history told is told from the white, european perspective.
Maybe some day, when we all have our act together-there will be no need for
black history month. It will just be "history" period.

KerrySubj:  Re:a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 19:09:03 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I would like to but unfortunately there wasn't enough data for me to comment.
All stories have 2 sides-I would like to hear both.  Anyone know the other
side?

KerrySubj:  Re:a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 19:09:03 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I would like to but unfortunately there wasn't enough data for me to comment.
All stories have 2 sides-I would like to hear both.  Anyone know the other
side?

KerrySubj:  Re:a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 19:09:03 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I would like to but unfortunately there wasn't enough data for me to comment.
All stories have 2 sides-I would like to hear both.  Anyone know the other
side?

KerrySubj:  Re:a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 19:09:03 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I would like to but unfortunately there wasn't enough data for me to comment.
All stories have 2 sides-I would like to hear both.  Anyone know the other
side?

KerrySubj:  Re:a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 19:09:03 edt
From:  Kerry96521
Posted on:  America Online

I would like to but unfortunately there wasn't enough data for me to comment.
All stories have 2 sides-I would like to hear both.  Anyone know the other
side?

KerrySubj:  Re:A few thoughts/chemom
Date:  96-09-26 19:18:49 edt
From:  Chemom
Posted on:  America Online

<<I mean no disrespect to him, I just honestly think your two posts have been
hilarious!>>

Ruth, laugh all you want at us:

"For what do we live but to make sport for our
neighbors and laugh at them in our turn?" (Jane Austen)
Subj:  Re:A few thoughts/chemom
Date:  96-09-26 19:18:49 edt
From:  Chemom
Posted on:  America Online

<<I mean no disrespect to him, I just honestly think your two posts have been
hilarious!>>

Ruth, laugh all you want at us:

"For what do we live but to make sport for our
neighbors and laugh at them in our turn?" (Jane Austen)
Subj:  Re:A few thoughts/chemom
Date:  96-09-26 19:18:49 edt
From:  Chemom
Posted on:  America Online

<<I mean no disrespect to him, I just honestly think your two posts have been
hilarious!>>

Ruth, laugh all you want at us:

"For what do we live but to make sport for our
neighbors and laugh at them in our turn?" (Jane Austen)
Subj:  Re:A few thoughts/chemom
Date:  96-09-26 19:18:49 edt
From:  Chemom
Posted on:  America Online

<<I mean no disrespect to him, I just honestly think your two posts have been
hilarious!>>

Ruth, laugh all you want at us:

"For what do we live but to make sport for our
neighbors and laugh at them in our turn?" (Jane Austen)
Subj:  Re:A few thoughts/chemom
Date:  96-09-26 19:18:49 edt
From:  Chemom
Posted on:  America Online

<<I mean no disrespect to him, I just honestly think your two posts have been
hilarious!>>

Ruth, laugh all you want at us:

"For what do we live but to make sport for our
neighbors and laugh at them in our turn?" (Jane Austen)
Subj:  Re:a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 19:19:13 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

It was on the news and believe it or not the women who tried to go back in to
talk to the employee said this is the way it happened.  She was
interviewed.Subj:  Re:a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 19:19:13 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

It was on the news and believe it or not the women who tried to go back in to
talk to the employee said this is the way it happened.  She was
interviewed.Subj:  Re:a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 19:19:13 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

It was on the news and believe it or not the women who tried to go back in to
talk to the employee said this is the way it happened.  She was
interviewed.Subj:  Re:a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 19:19:13 edt
From:  KJ5683
Posted on:  America Online

It was on the news and believe it or not the women who tried to go back in to
talk to the employee said this is the way it happened.  She was
interviewed.Subj:  Hey everyone! Good work!
Date:  96-09-26 20:37:09 edt
From:  MOMS Judy
Posted on:  America Online

 Howdy, you daring folks!

There are six more posts left here in this folder, so I am going over to the
magic folder maker and whip up a new one for you. I know that by this time
tomorrow, you will have this place full--and will be well into the new place.

This is a new record for the dare folder....breaking last week's record by a
full 33 hours!

Keep posting, ...and I promise, no more jack-booted Elder Board-Nazis will
cause near-death experiences......LOL!!



Subj:  Hey everyone! Good work!
Date:  96-09-26 20:37:09 edt
From:  MOMS Judy
Posted on:  America Online

 Howdy, you daring folks!

There are six more posts left here in this folder, so I am going over to the
magic folder maker and whip up a new one for you. I know that by this time
tomorrow, you will have this place full--and will be well into the new place.

This is a new record for the dare folder....breaking last week's record by a
full 33 hours!

Keep posting, ...and I promise, no more jack-booted Elder Board-Nazis will
cause near-death experiences......LOL!!



Subj:  Hey everyone! Good work!
Date:  96-09-26 20:37:09 edt
From:  MOMS Judy
Posted on:  America Online

 Howdy, you daring folks!

There are six more posts left here in this folder, so I am going over to the
magic folder maker and whip up a new one for you. I know that by this time
tomorrow, you will have this place full--and will be well into the new place.

This is a new record for the dare folder....breaking last week's record by a
full 33 hours!

Keep posting, ...and I promise, no more jack-booted Elder Board-Nazis will
cause near-death experiences......LOL!!



Subj:  Hey everyone! Good work!
Date:  96-09-26 20:37:09 edt
From:  MOMS Judy
Posted on:  America Online

 Howdy, you daring folks!

There are six more posts left here in this folder, so I am going over to the
magic folder maker and whip up a new one for you. I know that by this time
tomorrow, you will have this place full--and will be well into the new place.

This is a new record for the dare folder....breaking last week's record by a
full 33 hours!

Keep posting, ...and I promise, no more jack-booted Elder Board-Nazis will
cause near-death experiences......LOL!!



Subj:  Re:a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 20:40:05 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

As for all history taught in schools, I think they shoulkd just burn all
those books up and rewrite them the way it happened, not the glossed over
versions children are subjected to!  Black history month, the reason I dont
like it is, as pointed out earlier on a post, why seperate more?   Its our
history, why not teach it?
Also to really start something that wont turn too ugly, if you understand
what I am saying!!!
     I hate the Black Miss America!  hate it!  I understand why the feeling
it is needed, but I hate that idea, and know for sure if there were to be a
White Miss America contest or White Music Awards, or White Academy awards wow
there would be some fires burning on the streets!   Yes I do understand that
for years talents were merely based on color and heritage, and its the old
boy club mentality.  But it totally is vaccum like!!   I mean no disrespect
to any heritage, it just really gets me mad when like with womens lib, oh we
want equal rights, yet point out all the differences,  yes equal pay for
equal work.  Getting a job because you are qualitfed and not because you have
outdoor plumbing, and have the right color skin!
  I have no tolerance for intolerance...........is that an oxy moron?Subj:
Re:a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 20:40:05 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

As for all history taught in schools, I think they shoulkd just burn all
those books up and rewrite them the way it happened, not the glossed over
versions children are subjected to!  Black history month, the reason I dont
like it is, as pointed out earlier on a post, why seperate more?   Its our
history, why not teach it?
Also to really start something that wont turn too ugly, if you understand
what I am saying!!!
     I hate the Black Miss America!  hate it!  I understand why the feeling
it is needed, but I hate that idea, and know for sure if there were to be a
White Miss America contest or White Music Awards, or White Academy awards wow
there would be some fires burning on the streets!   Yes I do understand that
for years talents were merely based on color and heritage, and its the old
boy club mentality.  But it totally is vaccum like!!   I mean no disrespect
to any heritage, it just really gets me mad when like with womens lib, oh we
want equal rights, yet point out all the differences,  yes equal pay for
equal work.  Getting a job because you are qualitfed and not because you have
outdoor plumbing, and have the right color skin!
  I have no tolerance for intolerance...........is that an oxy moron?Subj:
Re:a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 20:40:05 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

As for all history taught in schools, I think they shoulkd just burn all
those books up and rewrite them the way it happened, not the glossed over
versions children are subjected to!  Black history month, the reason I dont
like it is, as pointed out earlier on a post, why seperate more?   Its our
history, why not teach it?
Also to really start something that wont turn too ugly, if you understand
what I am saying!!!
     I hate the Black Miss America!  hate it!  I understand why the feeling
it is needed, but I hate that idea, and know for sure if there were to be a
White Miss America contest or White Music Awards, or White Academy awards wow
there would be some fires burning on the streets!   Yes I do understand that
for years talents were merely based on color and heritage, and its the old
boy club mentality.  But it totally is vaccum like!!   I mean no disrespect
to any heritage, it just really gets me mad when like with womens lib, oh we
want equal rights, yet point out all the differences,  yes equal pay for
equal work.  Getting a job because you are qualitfed and not because you have
outdoor plumbing, and have the right color skin!
  I have no tolerance for intolerance...........is that an oxy moron?Subj:
Re:a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 20:40:05 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

As for all history taught in schools, I think they shoulkd just burn all
those books up and rewrite them the way it happened, not the glossed over
versions children are subjected to!  Black history month, the reason I dont
like it is, as pointed out earlier on a post, why seperate more?   Its our
history, why not teach it?
Also to really start something that wont turn too ugly, if you understand
what I am saying!!!
     I hate the Black Miss America!  hate it!  I understand why the feeling
it is needed, but I hate that idea, and know for sure if there were to be a
White Miss America contest or White Music Awards, or White Academy awards wow
there would be some fires burning on the streets!   Yes I do understand that
for years talents were merely based on color and heritage, and its the old
boy club mentality.  But it totally is vaccum like!!   I mean no disrespect
to any heritage, it just really gets me mad when like with womens lib, oh we
want equal rights, yet point out all the differences,  yes equal pay for
equal work.  Getting a job because you are qualitfed and not because you have
outdoor plumbing, and have the right color skin!
  I have no tolerance for intolerance...........is that an oxy moron?Subj:
Re:Hey everyone! Good work!
Date:  96-09-26 20:41:17 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Keep posting, ...and I promise, no more jack-booted Elder Board-Nazis will
cause near-death experiences......LOL!!>>

Oh sure take some of the fun out of it!  LOLSubj:  Re:Hey everyone! Good
work!
Date:  96-09-26 20:41:17 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Keep posting, ...and I promise, no more jack-booted Elder Board-Nazis will
cause near-death experiences......LOL!!>>

Oh sure take some of the fun out of it!  LOLSubj:  Re:Hey everyone! Good
work!
Date:  96-09-26 20:41:17 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

Keep posting, ...and I promise, no more jack-booted Elder Board-Nazis will
cause near-death experiences......LOL!!>>

Oh sure take some of the fun out of it!  LOLSubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 20:42:12 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Why can't we be in the spotlight for one lousy month of the year>>.

The only thing I would say about the month is that maybe it should be a day -
like Polish American Day, St. Patty's Day, German Day, etc.  I don't think
any one race should be raised above OR below everyone else.

LisaSubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 20:42:12 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Why can't we be in the spotlight for one lousy month of the year>>.

The only thing I would say about the month is that maybe it should be a day -
like Polish American Day, St. Patty's Day, German Day, etc.  I don't think
any one race should be raised above OR below everyone else.

LisaSubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 20:42:12 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Why can't we be in the spotlight for one lousy month of the year>>.

The only thing I would say about the month is that maybe it should be a day -
like Polish American Day, St. Patty's Day, German Day, etc.  I don't think
any one race should be raised above OR below everyone else.

LisaSubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 20:42:12 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<Why can't we be in the spotlight for one lousy month of the year>>.

The only thing I would say about the month is that maybe it should be a day -
like Polish American Day, St. Patty's Day, German Day, etc.  I don't think
any one race should be raised above OR below everyone else.

LisaSubj:  Re:School dress codes
Date:  96-09-26 20:44:48 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<At a small public school close to where I live, a twelve year old boy was
sent home because his hair violated the dress code. He has a tail.  The dress
code states that  boys should not have hair past their collars.  The mother
is going to sue because of this.  I would just like to get opinions!>>

Oh, cut the d*** tail for crying out loud.  She knew the dress code before
the child started school.  She should get a grip and save her energies for
the real trials and tribulations in life!

There was a story on the news about how a boy in NYC claimed his civil rights
were violated because he was searched for a weapon at school.  It turns out
he WAS packing a gun to school, but he and his mother claim that there was no
reasonable suspicion and he was just chosen out of the crowd for no reason to
search.  Yeah, right....and HIS rights were violated.  How about the rights
of children to go to school w/o being shot at?

LisaSubj:  Re:School dress codes
Date:  96-09-26 20:44:48 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<At a small public school close to where I live, a twelve year old boy was
sent home because his hair violated the dress code. He has a tail.  The dress
code states that  boys should not have hair past their collars.  The mother
is going to sue because of this.  I would just like to get opinions!>>

Oh, cut the d*** tail for crying out loud.  She knew the dress code before
the child started school.  She should get a grip and save her energies for
the real trials and tribulations in life!

There was a story on the news about how a boy in NYC claimed his civil rights
were violated because he was searched for a weapon at school.  It turns out
he WAS packing a gun to school, but he and his mother claim that there was no
reasonable suspicion and he was just chosen out of the crowd for no reason to
search.  Yeah, right....and HIS rights were violated.  How about the rights
of children to go to school w/o being shot at?

LisaSubj:  Re:School dress codes
Date:  96-09-26 20:44:48 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<At a small public school close to where I live, a twelve year old boy was
sent home because his hair violated the dress code. He has a tail.  The dress
code states that  boys should not have hair past their collars.  The mother
is going to sue because of this.  I would just like to get opinions!>>

Oh, cut the d*** tail for crying out loud.  She knew the dress code before
the child started school.  She should get a grip and save her energies for
the real trials and tribulations in life!

There was a story on the news about how a boy in NYC claimed his civil rights
were violated because he was searched for a weapon at school.  It turns out
he WAS packing a gun to school, but he and his mother claim that there was no
reasonable suspicion and he was just chosen out of the crowd for no reason to
search.  Yeah, right....and HIS rights were violated.  How about the rights
of children to go to school w/o being shot at?

LisaSubj:  Re:School dress codes
Date:  96-09-26 20:44:48 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<At a small public school close to where I live, a twelve year old boy was
sent home because his hair violated the dress code. He has a tail.  The dress
code states that  boys should not have hair past their collars.  The mother
is going to sue because of this.  I would just like to get opinions!>>

Oh, cut the d*** tail for crying out loud.  She knew the dress code before
the child started school.  She should get a grip and save her energies for
the real trials and tribulations in life!

There was a story on the news about how a boy in NYC claimed his civil rights
were violated because he was searched for a weapon at school.  It turns out
he WAS packing a gun to school, but he and his mother claim that there was no
reasonable suspicion and he was just chosen out of the crowd for no reason to
search.  Yeah, right....and HIS rights were violated.  How about the rights
of children to go to school w/o being shot at?

LisaSubj:  Re:a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 20:46:12 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<The group of people were African Americans and are now sueing Stewarts to
the tune of 17 million bucks claiming  this is a racial issue and prejudice.
Any comments?>>

I can see both sides here.  The clerk was rightly anxious about having any
more trouble caused - I mean, watch the evening news.  People get shot left
and right for much less.  However, the adults certainly have a right to be
upset.  To sue, though?  I don't think so - I think they should cause a stink
in the media and boycott, etc.  But I think this country has a lawsuit
problem!

LisaSubj:  Re:a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 20:46:12 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<The group of people were African Americans and are now sueing Stewarts to
the tune of 17 million bucks claiming  this is a racial issue and prejudice.
Any comments?>>

I can see both sides here.  The clerk was rightly anxious about having any
more trouble caused - I mean, watch the evening news.  People get shot left
and right for much less.  However, the adults certainly have a right to be
upset.  To sue, though?  I don't think so - I think they should cause a stink
in the media and boycott, etc.  But I think this country has a lawsuit
problem!

LisaSubj:  Re:a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 20:46:12 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<The group of people were African Americans and are now sueing Stewarts to
the tune of 17 million bucks claiming  this is a racial issue and prejudice.
Any comments?>>

I can see both sides here.  The clerk was rightly anxious about having any
more trouble caused - I mean, watch the evening news.  People get shot left
and right for much less.  However, the adults certainly have a right to be
upset.  To sue, though?  I don't think so - I think they should cause a stink
in the media and boycott, etc.  But I think this country has a lawsuit
problem!

LisaSubj:  Re:a racial issue?
Date:  96-09-26 20:46:12 edt
From:  Lisaba1
Posted on:  America Online

<<The group of people were African Americans and are now sueing Stewarts to
the tune of 17 million bucks claiming  this is a racial issue and prejudice.
Any comments?>>

I can see both sides here.  The clerk was rightly anxious about having any
more trouble caused - I mean, watch the evening news.  People get shot left
and right for much less.  However, the adults certainly have a right to be
upset.  To sue, though?  I don't think so - I think they should cause a stink
in the media and boycott, etc.  But I think this country has a lawsuit
problem!

LisaSubj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 20:46:33 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

<<Why can't we be in the spotlight for one lousy month of the year>>.

The only thing I would say about the month is that maybe it should be a day -
like Polish American Day, St. Patty's Day, German Day, etc.  I don't think
any one race should be raised above OR below everyone else.  >>

NO I dont think that at all!  I think there shouldnt be a seperation at all,
change it to world history instead of rose color glass history we currently
support!Subj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 20:46:33 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

<<Why can't we be in the spotlight for one lousy month of the year>>.

The only thing I would say about the month is that maybe it should be a day -
like Polish American Day, St. Patty's Day, German Day, etc.  I don't think
any one race should be raised above OR below everyone else.  >>

NO I dont think that at all!  I think there shouldnt be a seperation at all,
change it to world history instead of rose color glass history we currently
support!Subj:  Re:History
Date:  96-09-26 20:46:33 edt
From:  SillyoneC
Posted on:  America Online

<<Why can't we be in the spotlight for one lousy month of the year>>.

The only thing I would say about the month is that maybe it should be a day -
like Polish American Day, St. Patty's Day, German Day, etc.  I don't think
any one race should be raised above OR below everyone else.  >>

NO I dont think that at all!  I think there shouldnt be a seperation at all,
change it to world history instead of rose color glass history we currently
support!